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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Arminius (talk | contribs) at 11:38, 20 November 2004 (→Warning). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

You may have been redirected here from another project. Bear in mind that I plan to check this page very infrequently and that changes to it are only visible on your en.wikipedia.org watchlist. You are probably better off e-mailing me.

Puede que hayas llegado aquí desde otro proyecto. Ten en cuenta que no pienso vigilar esta página y que de todos modos no se verán los cambios en tu lista de seguimiento en es.wikipedia.org. Más vale mandar un correo-e

Il se peut que vous soyez arrivé ici en cliquant sur un lien d'une page d'un autre projet. Tenez en compte que je ne lis pas souvent cette page et que de toute façon vous ne verrez pas les changements dans votre liste de suivi sur fr.wikipedia.org. Il vaut mieux m'envoyer un e-mail

Redirected talk page

Congratulations on Mains power plug reaching the main page!

I think you should allow talk page contributions. It's handy for others (yes, perhaps you find it nicer for you not to have it), and someone is likely to complain eventually. There's an ongoing crusade to stomp out user page redirects apparently.

Regards, Zoney

Bah, OK, I've reinstated it, but not for my pages on other projects. Chameleon 12:19, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

4lex

Es bueno tener a usuarios poliwikipédicos (ya ha demostrado ser útil en otras ocasiones). Puedes comentarnos cómo se resuelven ciertos problemas en la fr: y en la en:, cuando se debatan en el café, por ejemplo. Y también es tentador invitarte a que pases más tiempo aquí, donde estamos más necesitados que en las otras wikipedias... pero no lo haré ;) Creo que lo más eficiente es que cada uno trabaje donde se sienta más a gusto, haciendo lo que más le satisfaga. -- 4lex 18:21 9 sep, 2004 (CEST)

Pues ya veremos en qué puedo ayudaros.  :-) Camaléon 14:41 10 sep, 2004 (CEST)

Photo request

you said on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CEE_7-7.jpg that you would provide more images on request

well is there any chance of an imamge of an IEC line plug (the type with pins seen on cords used to connect power from pcs to monitors) — peter green (via e-mail)

Do you mean a lead like this?
Image:PC flex with BS 1363 plug.png
Chameleon 16:23, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
no that lead has a british plug and an iec line socket. anyway i asked bulgin permission to use an image from their site and they said yes. you can see it in Electrical travellers guide (seperated from Domestic AC power plugs & sockets by me). Plugwash 20:35, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

About the Valencian Country name

Sorry, I'm not a nationalist POV, I've explained why the name of our autonomous community must be Valencian Country at Valencian_Community:Talk, by the english language comprehension. As fact I'm not moved by nationalist feelings, it's remaining the name of Spain in several articles to link with the Valencian Country (Valencian Country, Spain). I've noticed about the changes I'm going to do from a week ago. --Martorell 10:39, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

newsletter?

If you have time, please give a hand. It would be especially nice to have the interview in Spanish. m:Translation_requests/NL-1 +sj+ 18:53, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Plugs

Sorry, Chameleon, I know nothing whatever about plugs, someone has misinformed you, Cheers - Adrian Pingstone 21:23, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

El Vendrell

Could you help out with translation of the (quite short) El Vendrell? I did what I could offhand, but Catalan is about my 4th or 5th language and at least some of what is written there appears to me to be at least metaphorical, and I'm afraid I'd use up far too much time to get this right, whereas I suspect you can knock it off in 10 minutes or less. -- Jmabel 08:24, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)

OK, there you go. Translated. Chameleon 14:44, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Translation

There is an enormous backlog at Wikipedia:Translation into English#French-to-English, more than for all other languages combined. I see you are signed up at Wikipedia:Translators_available#French-to-English. Would you be at all interested in taking on one of these articles? (Full disclosure: this is a bit of a "mass mailing", I'm working my way down the whole list of French-to-English translators.) -- Jmabel 00:03, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)

I'm a bit too busy, I'm afraid. Chameleon 13:15, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Portuguese language - "Saudade"

I'd like to know why you think that bit of information doesn't apply as "see also" in the Portuguese language article. I think it fits the subject very well. If you don't know, that is a special Portuguese word that describes the feeling of "missing" someone or something. Portuguese speaking people have a single word to describe that entire feeling, and as far as I know, this is the first language where such a term was seen. So, why do you think it is "non-notable" for that article? You might think it was worded in a weird way (which I agree), but in that case, you should have reworded it better, or maybe moved it out of "See also" to some other part of the article, if you really think it doesn't fit there. – Kaonashi 20:27, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

There are lots of terms in Portuguese that are hard to translate. Saudade is not even a particularly characteristic or difficult one. It is not a notable example of a hard-to-translate word, but the "non-notable" comment actually referred to Today Translations' list of such words. See Translation#Translation_problems. Chameleon 20:33, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Sure there are, as well as in every other known language. I'm not very sure about being "hard" to translate or not, though. The article says it could be translated as "sorrowful longing", but that's not a loyal translation, It's more like an adaptation. It's an expression, when the original term is a single word. Hence, that is an attempt at explaining what the word means, rather than translating it for real.

Anyway, I see your point. I just found this weird, since the word was listed on that top ten, but looks like someone killed the whole article and redirected it to a different place. I don't know anymore. – Kaonashi 20:45, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I killed the whole article. It was a really bad article according to Wikipedia policy about notability, etc. All the worthwhile content is now at Translation#Translation_problems. You say "that's not a loyal translation, It's more like an adaptation". Translation is adaptation. What you are thinking of is "glossing". Read the article! Trust me — I'm a translator. Chameleon 20:50, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Yes yes, I know. One can't translate something without adapting. It's like making an omelet without breaking the eggs. What I was trying to say is, there isn't a correspondent term in the English language. No such word in English, that's all. About that other article, I didn't know how reliable it was. I guess you're right, then. Thanks for explaining. I do speak Portuguese, by the way. – Kaonashi 21:08, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

No such single word, but that is irrelevant. That's like saying there is no word for "handbag" in French because they say sac à main. Would it make any difference if they wrote sac-à-main? Maybe sacàmain? Spaces and hyphens really are immaterial. Chameleon 21:22, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Spanish grammar

I messed up moving Grammar of the Spanish language to Spanish grammar. I've fixed it now. I noticed your note about rewriting the article and watned to give you a heads up. Nohat 21:45, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Chameleon 21:53, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thank You

Chameleon, as you know what you're doing could you consider looking at the following:

  • Disambiguation of Libertarianism page, it refers to US libertarianism, while European has been shunted off into libertarian socialism. Now I don't care about this either way yet it is very frustrating that there is no sensible debate about it. Would like your opinion.
    • Well, I sort of go with Chomsky on this one: these people are such fanatics that arguing with them is pointless. I've more or less given up on that article. Chameleon 08:29, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

ReithySockPuppet 03:00, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Sorry 'bout the font-face:s

Oops, sorry for getting the font-family css wrong. Thanks for cleaning up after me! — David Remahl 12:58, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

That's OK. Chameleon 17:41, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Too much Wiki-stress

Hi Chameleon,

I just popped by after seeing your nomination of one of your lions on WP:FPC. Sorry to read on your user page that you've been driven away by the more irritating elements on Wikipedia. I remember following your good work on power sockets and plugs. I know the fealing, but so far it hasn't got to me too much.

I wonder whether there is a general solution. Rather than all the slightly negative 'Requests for Comment' and the like (which seldom seems to get anywhere), perhaps we need a page where people can say 'I'm feeling too stressed/under seige' in order to illicit positive support (group hug) from others who appreciate their contributions.

Anyhow, I hope your natural tendency to Wiki-holicism overcomes the excess Wiki-stress. And good luck with the lion pic. -- Solipsist 17:32, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern. I feel, however, that my wikistress would not be relieved by any group hugs. There are too many of certain types of people on this project, and that makes things difficult. Anyway, check out the new pics I have uploaded. Chameleon 17:41, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Cantonese

Hi Chameleon, don't delete what you said... I think it was well said and the most constructive comment made so far over the entire dispute. -- [[User:Ran|ran (talk)]] 22:27, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)

Libertarian Capitalism on VfD

  • I'm wondering if I might convince you to vote to swap the pages, as per my proposal, on VfD --Improv 17:19, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Francisco Umbral

Wondered if I could get you to take a few minutes to look at Francisco Umbral. The translation is almost complete, but the few remaining issues were beyond my competence. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:44, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

OK, I'll edit it a bit. Chameleon 08:52, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Draft MoS article

Having been nosey (sorry n all), I just read through your draft MoS article. I like pretty much all of it, except the superscripts, which I think look untidy (particularly when browsers increase the leading, but even when they don't, frankly). Is there any specific reason you advocate making it policy to use superscripts in dates? — OwenBlacker 12:34, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)

Superscripts are only not used because of technical problems (the annoying space above the line that you note, and simply the difficulty of using markup etc). I don't think such problems should stop us using proper English, and the fact is that it is wrong to use a great big fat "th" in ordinals. I don't like:
  • 4th
  • km2
  • 100oC
  • Trademark TM
It's:
  • 4th or fourth
  • km²
  • 100°C
  • Trademark™

Another issue is whether ordinals should be used in dates at all (I'm talking about the day of the month here). I know the modern tendency is to omit them, but I like the good old days when they were not left out. Chameleon 12:43, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

another translation question

I have another translation question at Talk:History of Catalonia (though the issue may just be a confusing Spanish-language original). Can you help me? Let me know if I'm asking your help on this sort of thing too often: you are one of the two most genuinely bilingual Spanish-English translators I've found on Wikipedia, and the easy stuff I do myself. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:35, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)

nice work on national bias

That's all really. Oh, and a shame if you are driven away. But you'll have to do what's right for you. Please consider this random support from a stranger. --FrankP 15:02, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC) Reply

Warning

I protected the page rather than blocking you for personal attacks against other users. Your POV pushing is totally unacceptable and any continued attacking or disturbance of other users will result in you being blocked for 24 hours. So work out your dispute on the talk page and relax. Arminius 11:36, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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