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Hello

Hi I am Seadog, I have joined Esperanza not to long ago. I fell that the goal is very good. I always thought that in order to run an encylclopedia you have to have a sense of community.--Seadog--fly on....littlewing 20:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good job! Have fun!!--Chili14 22:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome - nice to meet you! -- Natalya 23:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome :) -- Joshua Chiew 09:06, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome, its always good to see new members - • The Giant Puffin • 14:30, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Seadog, good to have you here :) Thε Halo Θ 13:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hola!

My name is Lucas, AKA PrometheusX303. As you might guess from my username, I'm a fan of Stargate. I joined Wikipedia December 11, '05 after one anonynous edit. I'm a vandal-fighter and use Vandalproof as my main weapon, pop-ups as backup. I believe in calm and peaceful discussions of disputed content. Prometheus-X303- 00:07, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Esperanza! Nice to meet you! —Mets501 (talk) 00:38, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You sound well-accustemed to Wikipedia! Great to have you with us. -- Natalya 02:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome, you'll fit in just nicely =-) - • The Giant Puffin • 10:44, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, good to have you. Thε Halo Θ 13:52, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Howdy Esperanza

Hello all, I joined Esperanza about a week or two ago, but I never got around to saying hi, so hi! I like greeting new users with a welcome and generally contributing to content in Wikipedia. -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 02:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cielomobile! Glad to have you hear at Esperanza! Have fun! —Mets501 (talk) 02:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It is amazing to me how many people fill up this talk page evey time I look at it with how they are new. There is a new one every time I look. This is a very popular page.--Chili14 04:08, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome, welcome! Hope you enjoy it here :) Thε Halo Θ 13:57, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I need your help

Hello, i have been experiencing a lot of wikistress, and have been directed to you.

can you help me?


--Maxasus 07:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We can certainly try, Maxasus! I'm sorry to hear that you're stressed out; hopefully we can help you to relax and make some constructive edits. Esperanza is about being friendly and creating a community for the editors in Wikipedia, so that we can be surrounded by truly helpful and nice people, and do a better job creating this encyclopedia. Though you'll probably want to be around Wikipedia a little while before officially joining us (take a look at the membership requirements), if you like what we're about and want to join us, you are welcome to add yourself to the list of editors who want to join, but don't meet the requirements yet.
As for stress, we have a ton of ways to help combat stress. The stress alerts page lists editors who, like you, are feeling pretty stressed out, for whatever reason. If you add yourself there, people can see that and drop by your talk page and add a supportive note or a suggestion or just a smile to help you out. We also have a wide variety of programs that help to strengthen the community and relax people.
I hope this helps - good luck! And if you ever have any questions, just ask; Esperanzians are really nice people, we'll always be glad to help. -- Natalya 11:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings...

Just joined Esperanza. Thanx to Jaedza for the welcome ! I hope to be active in Esperanza for a long time, and hope my contribution will be a positive one for me and for other members. Jcam 11:25, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We hope so too, and I'm sure it will be! Glad to see you here. -- Natalya 16:20, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Seconded, it's great to have you with us! All the best -- Banes 21:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thirded (or whatever it is after seconded). Hope you like it here, and it'll be great to get to know you :) Thε Halo Θ 14:00, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Forthed? - • The Giant Puffin • 15:07, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Space on the talk page for introductions

As much as I love hearing from all the new Esperanzians (I'm serious, too! :), the large number of new topics may be making the page rather long rather fast; how do people feel about creating one topic at the top for everyone to introduce themselves? That way, there will not be a whole host of new topics, but new members will still be able to be welcomed here. -- Natalya 11:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, a subpage will work fine. Joshua Chiew 13:14, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We could do that too, but I imagine it wouldn't be as noticed as if it were on the main talk page (and therefore, people might feel like it was more of an obligation to check it than to see it here on the main page and welcome people). -- Natalya 16:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We don't want to make it too confusing for new users, and many of the new Esperanzians who come to this page to say hello are also fairly new to Wikipedia. I would simply continue to let them post greetings threads here, but then some of us can archive those threads after about 3 days or so, while letting the threads on other topics for the full length of time. That would shorten the page without confusing any newbies. NoSeptember 21:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree with NoSeptember - Che Nuevara 21:40, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I say that we have a bot that archives our talk pages every 3 days or so. I know that WP:ANI uses a bot. Maybe we can ask the owner if he/she could program the bot to archive our page as well.--Edtalk c E 22:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't the Lounge use Werdnabot? Why not just use it here too? - Che Nuevara 23:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(unindent)Werdnabot would be great! Once the AC is elected, then they may make that decision. Unless Natalya can make the immediate decision, of course...--Edtalk c E 23:38, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I found out what the bot for ANI is User:EssjayBot II run by Essjay. We must ask him for permission first.--Edtalk c E 01:44, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We might not want to have an automatic archival or the talk page, just because some discussions can go on for longer than however many days it might be decided to have the automatic archival. I imagine that archiving the introduction messages would have to be done by hand, but it doesn't seem like it would be too hard, and pretty much anyone could take care of it. We could archive the introduction messages once they're five days (or any number) old, to be put in a section of the archives? -- Natalya 05:06, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just done it by hand. Automatic archival might archive on-going discussion and cause confusion. Joshua Chiew 06:42, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I still think that Essjay's bot would work. You see, at ANI, the bot looks at the LAST TIMESTAMP in each incident report. If no one has responded on the ANI report within 24 hrs, then the bot will archive it. Same in this situation: as long as the discussion has been inactive for 3-5 days or so, then the bot can archive it. Everyone else is thinking that bots archive by looking at the FIRST post, but it's actually the LAST thread!--Edtalk c E 15:28, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Just a bit of clarification: Werdnabot does the same thing as EssjayBot II. If we already are using Werdnabot in the lounge, it might be easier to use the same bot for this page. Just to keep it simple. – Heaven's Wrath   Talk  22:24, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Werdnabot sounds like a good idea. Shall we do 7 days, similar to what the Coffee Lounge does? There are very few threads that ever have meaningful activity after seven days of nothing. -- Natalya 00:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Seven days sounds good to me. -- Cielomobile minor7♭5 00:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
7 days sounds good, too. Does this need Council approval, or can we just establish this? --Edtalk c E 01:26, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It can certainly be just established! Anyone is free to be bold and implement it, but if not, I will take care of it. Good job of working out a great solution, everyone! You guys are awesome. -- Natalya 05:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I went to go put the code onto the page, but when I was comparing the Werdnabot instructions to how it is set up at the Coffee Lounge, they seem to differ; is it only because the Coffee Lounge isn't a talk page, or should the code be different here too? Thanks, all of you who understand this better than myself. -- Natalya 17:37, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's just because the Werdnabot instructions are substituted; I've tested it out on my user page and it seems to match that of Coffee Lounge. For the seven day time period as used on CL, use {{subst:User:Werdnabot/Archiver/Template|age=7|target=Talk:Esperanza/Archive}} at the top of this page, and it should all sort itself out. Laïka 18:05, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
In order for me to establish Werdnabot, I changed the format for the future archives by Archive CURRENTMONTHABBREV CURRENTYEAR. That way, Werdnabot's archival will be a simple process.--Edtalk c E 00:25, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like everything is working out nicely - awesome! -- Natalya 19:36, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Elections update

If you weren't already aware, the elections have concluded! If the elections staff could verify all the votes, that would be great, and then we can officially welcome the new Council members. Many thanks to all the candidates and everyone who participated! -- Natalya 00:11, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to mention it, but if whoever on the elections staff goes through the votes could just let us know here when they're done, that would work out nicely. Thanks! -- Natalya 17:34, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've checked all the votes for the election and everything seems to be in order. Canadian-Bacon t c e 20:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats to everyone who won, and to those who lost, try again next time!!!--Chili14 01:40, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely! Then I'd like to officially welcome Celestianpower, Shreshth91, and The Halo as the newest council members. Congratulations to everyone who ran in the elections, and thanks to everyone for supporting your fellow Esperanzians!
Since the Admin Gen is re-chosen by the council after every election, we will shortly be taking care of that (by email, since that worked out well last time), and will report as to what has been decided. -- Natalya 15:26, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mascot

There's a semi-serious poll at Coffee Lounge about creating an Esperanza mascot (so far, the contest is between a lemming and a wombat). Should it be moved here to make the poll 'official'? Laïka 16:18, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I imagine we should find out if the general Esperanza community wants as mascot first... -- Natalya 17:24, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Nevertheless, should we set up a poll, even just "Should Esperanza have a mascot?" at this stage? Laïka 17:42, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It seems like a good idea to start a poll either now, or after the results of the elections have been made offical as the reaction at the coffee lounge seems to warrent this idea being looked at closer by everyone (and for anyone who hasn't seen, go check out some of the ideas there, especially the Mortal Wombat, whom I love ;) Thε Halo Θ 17:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I fully support the creation of a mascot, if we can find something cool. Any suggestions?--Chili14 01:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A poll to see if people want a mascot should come first. We can then persue a mascot if the poll says so - • The Giant Puffin • 11:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'm going to Be Bold and start a simple "yes or no" poll:Laïka 16:44, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Poll

Should Esperanza have a mascot (design to be decided later)?

Yes
  1. Laïka 16:44, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No
  1. Meh, too childish. Moreschi 16:54, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems pointless, though this poll is considerably premature. Regards, —Celestianpower háblame 17:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above. --Fang Aili talk 17:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  4. To be serious, no. Esperanza has enough of a perception problem as is, without adding an official mascot. Talking about a mascot is all well and good on the coffee lounge page, but actually electing one risks reinforcing the perception of Esperanza as all "wishy-washy" that I thought we were trying to change. --Kyoko 17:25, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  5. No. Mascots are for athletic teams. Esperanza is a serious organization. --Edtalk c E 22:17, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  6. I disagree, per reasons stated (by others) above. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 03:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  7. No. Its pointless, distracts us from other and more important activities, and wont achieve anything - • The Giant Puffin • 15:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Per above. --Tone 11:39, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Suggestions
If the thoughts continue above as they have been, that might be a good compromise. -- Natalya 11:29, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I also thought the mascot would be for the lounge, and I think that will be fine. But for Esperanza as a whole, I think that each and everyone of us are Esperanza's mascots. Thε Halo Θ 11:37, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well said, Halo. --Kyoko 12:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The lounge electing its own mascot can't hurt, it is supposed to be a more informal place after all - • The Giant Puffin • 15:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Less than a minute!

Major kudos to Sasuke-kun27. Not even a minute passed from when I had placed my nom de wiki on the Member page, that I had a bright spanking new {{subst:EA-welcome}} on my Talk page. You guys are GOOOOD! --Roninbk t c # 00:18, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nice to meet you! And yes, we have hundreds of members right now, so that we can watch every page every second! A quick response is guaranteed wherever you post a message!--Edtalk c E 00:58, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Hey, how did you do up that nifty green E link page? --Roninbk t c # 01:05, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Complicated process
  1. Go to User:Roninbk/Esperanza.
  2. It seems like you know how to use raw signatures. Change you sig in a way that you can incorporate a green link to User:Roninbk/Esperanza. If you need help, use <font color="green"> INSERT A LETTER HERE </font>.
  3. Go back to your Esperanza subpage and add {{Greene|user=Roninbk|char=THE GREEN LETTER THAT APPEARS ON YOUR SIG}}.
  4. You are ready to go!--Edtalk c E 01:14, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Howzdis? --Roninbk t c e # 01:22, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Great! While waiting for your new sig, I changed mine, too!!!--Edtalk c 01:24, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Very nice. I didn't have the foresight to pick a name with an E, so I make do... --Roninbk t c e # 01:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You don't have to use an E....look at the comments above. Some have A's that are green!--Edtalk c 01:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Other's have more than one letter. Sometimes none of those are "e"s. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 02:12, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I must go now. Let's hope someone else will be watching this page and reply to any questions you have in less than a minute!!! =) --Edtalk c 01:53, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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