Talk:Japan–Korea disputes/Archive 1

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I think you're missing the biggest dispute of all: the 35-year period during which Japan annexed Korea as a colony (1910-1945). The imposition of Shinto as the state religion, the Japanese control of all Korean schools, the attempts to stamp out the use of Korean language, etc. . . . --Uncle Ed 19:56, 14 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I read the article as "current disputes", not "resentment over historical disputes".

Kadzuwo: the external link you added (Korea, the Preposterous World) is to a highly POV personal Web site maintained by Wikipedia user Nanshu. Nanshu has already published a lot of the material from that site here and has caused numerous edit disputes because of it. We don't need any more hateful material from him than he has already contributed. I have removed the link to the site. And don't tell me I'm censoring the truth or whatever: there is already too much anti-Korean nonsense on Wikipedia. --Sewing 16:53, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

It is not hate site but factual error corrections. Please don't brand but read it carefully!!Kadzuwo 16:59, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I have known about that site for months and have read it carefully; I discussed the site with him and several other Wikipedians last autumn (2003). Some of what he says is true, and he has repeated those things on this site. Other things he says are nonsense, and do not belong on Wikipedia. --Sewing 17:06, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

OK, I will search better site(s). Thank you so much, everyone!! m(_ _)mKadzuwo 18:49, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Cultural Dispute

Starting NPOV mine field. My god, aren't we (Korean & Japanese) such kids. :D FWBOarticle 00:55, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

there must be load of others. Feel free to add. FWBOarticle

Should add Zainichi issue but it is such a big topic that it might deserve separate page. FWBOarticle 00:59, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I propose that this page is split into two section one about politics the other about cluture.

Ah, the idea that there are no such things as Korean (nation, race or ethnic group or whatever) at that period and Korean penninsula is just region where thich contained different ethinic groups of Altaic origin is a view held by the people who counter claim that Japanese decended from Korean. I obviously understand that Korean would disagree with such assertion and find that to be offensive. However, as long as attribution is properly made such view should not be censored. On one side, Japanese decended from Korean, (more accurate statement probably being the tribe(s) which set up the original dynasty in a region of Japan came from Korean Penninsula). On the other side, there were no such thing as "Korean", (more accurate statement probably being variation of Altaic tribes/nations were subsequently unified to form Korean nation and ethinic group). Obviously, counter-counter argument (variation of language is in fact dialect not language) exist and then there is counter-counter-counter argument (such variation extend to Manchuria, Japan and possibly Mongolia). You might also notice that there were no such thing as Korean also mean there were no such thing as Japanese. FWBOarticle 18:46, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Takwondo originally being Korean Karate is not that cotroversial. In fact it was called as such. Until 70s, Taekwondo dojo/dojang used exactly the same forms as Shotokan Karate. Obviously, whether the current TKD being a variation of Karate or separate MA depends on POV. It's also bit funny given that Karate is actually Okinawan art not Japanese. Also Okinawan karate is the Tangsu martial art of China (admitted by the Okinawans)FWBOarticle 18:46, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Wow, I have never been so amused by a wikipedia article. I had only heard of about half of these disputes. I knew Japanese and Koreans could be petty towards each other, but christ! I wish I'd known about some of these before, I could have pissed off my korean teachers with it! hehe.

DPRK propogandist?

Boy, if I had to guess, I would swear the DPRK are starting to post on the Wikipedia (welcome comrades!). I am tempted to go through and clean up the POV and goofy unproven tripe on this page, but then I think this page may actually serve a purpose: gives the trolls a nice sandbox to post their rants and keep them off the Japan or Korea page.... Davejenk1ns 15:39, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

North Korean abductions of Japanese

Under the dispute "North Korean abductions of Japanese", the last sentence is completely incoherent. I can't tell if the meaning is that during WWII the Japanese also kidnapped North Korean citizens and this doesn't bother them so why should North Korea care about Japanese citizens, OR that during WWII other nations also kidnapped Japanese citizens but this isn't a problem because it was not North Korea that did it. In any case, this needs to be made comprehensible and NPOV, or it needs to be removed. As this is a potentially controversial topic, I'm posting this to the discussion page first. Munkymu 22:33, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I think we should remove it since it doesn't have anything to do with "North abductions of Japanese." --Nc622 11:57, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

History Textbooks

The Japanese Ministry of Education is now Ministry of Education and Science. I think we should rename the title to "Publications on History in Japan" or something to put the issue in broader context. The textbooks must pass a governmental inspections before they're issued to each school, but publications other than textbooks can contain anything regardless of their nature, meaning whether they're right-wing or left-wing. It's also important to clarify what whatwashings of wartime atrocities the Koreans are pointing out, like the use of the term "invasion."

The problems with the Korean publications on history should be put in the article too. There is only one history textbook in Korea, written and edited by the goverment. And due to the anti-Japanese educational policy, the "good" side of the nation/people is hardly written in any publications.

I'd also like to have non-Korean/Japanese discussing this issue. Some could provide a neutral point of view. --Nc622 11:57, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

"A prime example of this would be the introduction of Buddhism/Confucianism. This concept almost completely came to Japan by way of Korea, but Japan almost goes out her way to not focus on this fact."

Japanese textbooks state that Buddhism/Confucianism came via Korea. I don't understand why Buddhism/Confucianism is such an issue. The claim that "Japan neglects Korea to save her face" is the typical Koreans' delusion due to their insecurities. --203.189.128.197 19:21, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Korean adoptation of Japanese culture

Removed the part about Taekwondo and culture taught wrongly in Japan. This is false; they mention the Korean influence in their culture in textbooks. I think we've had enough of the falseness of the claim on Taekwondo not originating from Karate.

Corea/Korea

This claim is groundless. No documented records are found that can prove that the Japanese empire changed the name. The name Korea was used before the Japanese colonized Korea. Until the 20th century French was normally used for international conferences, in these documents Korea's written Corée because in Roman languages in general to start with C is linguistically correct. It's after Versailles Treaty when English became prevalent. So it's just a difference of whether they prefer the French way or the English way. It's your choice... It's kinda scary the whole nation believes this Japanese conspiracy theory though. Same with the name of the sea... Personally I don't care about that "sea" (it's just a sea, for christ's sake), but... I'm sorry but I have to say the reasonings in these claims are extremely poor.--Nc622 11:17, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Chinese and Korean Propaganda

The more and more I find about these "brutalities commited by Japanese army," I notice that they're all made ups by the Chinese and the Koreans... Unbelievable.

Look the Nanking Massacre, comfort women, death railway, the murder of Empress Min, etc these are not made up.

The Nanking Massacre and comfort women are exactly the made ups. The comfort women issues are the worst though. There're no documented records or whatsoever to suggest that these "comfort women" were slaves that the military forced to be. These were prostitutes, and there're only testimonies by the women themselves, which somehow constantly change with each trial they faced. --Nc622 09:24, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Factual Accuracy of the Page

What is the "Denno"? There is no such term or word. Why do Koreans like to be the father and the creator of Japan and Japanese history without having any proof? It is hard to understand why they forge all kinds of things.

You can also ask why Japan doesn't like to relate historical items and concepts with the rest of Asia. Eventhough they are an island, they do have neighbors. Information passed from Korea to Japan like swording making techniques, iron processing, pottery techniques, writting, also the fact that people of Baekchae Korea wrote Japans first history compilation. All, these are undeniable, but why do they perfer to use the term NE area, China, mainland, the continent, wouldn't terms like Shilla, Baekchae, Koryo, Goguryeo, peninsula be more accurate. Also, Koreans learned all these concepts from other countries as well, mainly China. But alot of what China learned was also from India, Arab and the middle east. But you don't see the Koreans writting history about iron processing and only mention the mideast and completely leave out China who passed on the info. Should Korea only mention India for Buddhism and not mention China or put it in as a small footnote or one sentence info.

The history of the two countries are intricately tied together.

http://www.uglychinese.org/japanese.htm

www.nsjap.com

Go look at this Japanese website and you will see the information on the Burial tombs, and how eventhough Korea has archeologically the older burial tombs, the two countries are still argue about the origin of it. And Prince Akhito making the acknowledgement of Emperor Kammu's familial relation to King Muryeong is well documented. And alot of the information is from the WWII war tribunal. That is why former Japanese prime ministers apologized for the education policy in Korea. To educate enough for labor, but not for higher learning.

Another complicating issue is in order to truely get a good understanding of the disputes you need to be fluent in English, Korean, Japanese, and Chinese. Very few people can speak all 4 languages fluently. Also note most of the information in English comes from Japan because Japan has had the longest relationship with the west.