Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga/Digimon/Article reorganization

See the Project page for the to do list and a summary of the efforts being discussed here.

Okay, let's get started

The stuff on the To-Do-list is mainly from Ned Scott's suggestions over on the talk page for the Digimon System Update main project page.

The massive -mon list comes from List of Digimon. I basically copied that list over, and went through it to get rid of any items on the list which were merely redirects. So that list is a list of all our -mon articles, not a list of all digimon.

The last section is stuff from List of Digimon which don't have articles. Not too sure what to do about them since i don't know what most of them are.

The whole idea of the list is that digimon can be moved from the "currently existing -mon article" list to the "organization of future article" lists. So a digimon will be crossed out on the first list when it is added to one (or more) of the latter lists. This way, we can keep track of what goes where, and make sure we don't miss anything.

I've already put a few obvious categories there (D-Accel, Armor...although they are open to discussion, they're just the ones i could think of), we really need to decide what to do with the rest of the digimon.

there is going to be tons of miscellaneous digimon that don't fall into any obviouse category. How are we going to put them into articles? By season (so like "miscellaneous from Digimon Adventure", "miscellaneous digimon from Tamers"...etc?) or by the actual type of digimon? I guess all the digimon that are card-game only can be put into either levels or families. --Yaksha 11:59, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Probably our best bet for origination would be by level. For some levels this would mean having more than one list article, simply because of the large number of Digimon each level includes. Something like Mega Digimon (A to F) or List of Mega Digimon (A to F). This would pretty much cover all Digimon and wouldn't have major issues with over-lapping lists. Although, in the case of over-lapping lists we can simply place "For this Digimon see link to other list".

As far as what to do with List of Digimon, we can probably replace the article itself with a category. Even if the 'mon don't have individual articles anymore, we can still categorize redirected articles, so they will show up in a category. -- Ned Scott 07:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of Digimon as an article should probably go. It seems to be an indiscriminate collection of information rather than an actual encyclopedic article.--Saintmagician 08:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, lists are generally treated differently than articles when they are for navigation. See WP:LIST#Purpose of lists. -- Ned Scott 08:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DNA digimon

already ran into a problem. A DNA digimon, like Paildramon, would go into Veemon or Wormmon's article?

Or should the information be repeated on both?

Or should we consider the DNA digimon a new character (since it's a combination of two seperate characters), and have a seperate article for Paildramon/Imperialdramon/Fightermode/Paladinmode? --Yaksha 12:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Probably just put the info in both articles. Aside from summaries of the plot, there really isn't a lot to say about the DNA Digimon. -- Ned Scott 07:46, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Diving into the work

I've got some days off coming up after tomorrow (technically today), and I'll be able to be a bit more active here. I also want to try to contact some editors that were previously active in the project but haven't replied to the ideas yet, so we can get more input and such on how to tackle the situation. I'm very much looking forward to this, and I think doing this will make the information we present on Digimon more focused, better written, and over-all be more helpful and encyclopedic. -- Ned Scott 07:55, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Right, could someone detail exactly what needs to be done at the moment? I want to help but this restructing of articles is rather intimidating. Indiawilliams 01:10, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

if you look at the project page linked to this discussion page, you'll notice i've made a "Currently existing –mon articles" list (which should include every -mon article we have). As well as "Organization of future articles" lists. some of the items on the "Currently existing –mon articles" are crossed out, meaning that the digimon has already been put onto a list in the "Organization of future articles" section.

What needs to be done is for people to look at every existing mon article (as in click on every non-crossed out link in the list of "Currently existing –mon articles"), and decide what to do with it. So does the digimon deserve its own article? Is it an armor digimon who should be put together on an article with other armor digimon? is it just a alternate form of a main chosen digimon (i.e. Chibomon with Veemon, since Chibomon is the same character as Veemon)? and so on. Or is it just a random digimon who appears in an episode to fill up space, and should be put into a "Mega digimon A-H" article?

It does get a bity messy - like the way Agumon will need a page for the Agumon who is a charcter in adventure/02, and the Agumon who is a character in Savers

Once it's decided, the digimon should be crossed off the "Currently existing –mon articles" list, and placed someone on the "Organization of future articles" section.

i've sorted out most of the digimon i'm familiar with into groups under the "Organization of future articles" section. But it'd be good if someone could check it to make sure there're no mistakes, and see if they agree with all the digimon i've listed as "Important Digimon" (i.e. they will have an article to themselves.) --Yaksha 02:19, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Digitamamon is a character that is recurring in the first two seasons, but overall doesn't play much of a roll in the plot. Where exactly should it be put? Important digimon or champion-level digimon? Clevomon 06:49 EST, 7 October 2006

I'd say give him a page of his own. But i'm not so sure on it. He is a character in the anime, or at least in Adventure 02 (as oppossed to just a "pop up and get killed/freed/beaten in one episode" digimon), but a rather minor character. We can just list him as having a page of his own, and then see how everything else sorts out. i'd suspect for most of the champion digimon who end up on the champion-digimon combined pages, there'd be nothing to say about them except their digivolution line and where they turn up. So Digitamamon may be a bit out of place on it, since there is a little more we can say about him as a character. --`/aksha 11:55, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, another idea is to just create List of Digimon Adventure minor characters and List of Digimon Adventure 02 minor characters, with "see also" in both so each can mention the roll they played in each series. -- Ned Scott 21:53, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, that's a good idea! In that case, a few of the ones I recently added to Important Digimon will have to be moved. I'll get right on it! But why not lists for the characters like that in Tamers, Frontier, and Savers? Maybe we should just have one big list for all minor characters... Clevomon 19:34 EST, 8 Oct 2006

So digimon who are "minor characters" in two seasons will be on the minor character article for both seasons? That sounds okay. So chosen digimon aside, we're going to end up with three clear 'tiers'. Important digimon who get their own page; then minor characters who get put into "minor character" articles (or articles like the armor digimon articles); and lastly digimon who just exist (like the D-Accel digimon, or the ones who end up in "mega A-H" style articles). --`/aksha 00:18, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty much, but also that each Digimon might be in one or more basic product categories, such as anime & manga, card & video games, etc. So there will be, say, more than one place for Agumon (which we know since he's been at least two different major characters) in that he'll have his anime info in one place, then things that don't apply to the anime but apply to a video game will then go to one of those other lists / articles. Although, I think we should keep the "game only" info (apart from ones that play a major role in the plot of some video games) pretty minimal. This is likely where we'll dumb things like the card numbers and such as well. -- Ned Scott 03:30, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Which is basically to avoid confusion when listing card and anime info side by side. Personally I'd be fine with not including card-game-only 'mon and info at all, but I'm not sure how others will feel about that. -- Ned Scott 03:34, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mind leaving out card game information. Detailed information about trading card games isn't something wikipedia usually includes anyway (we don't go into nearly that much detail for say, pokemon cards or yugioh cards), and it's a real pain collecting. The only bit of card game information i'd say maybe include would be the digimon family information.

Some digimon will defintely end up in more than one article. It's inevitable if we're trying to get articles that focus on digimon as characters, rather than digimon as species. "Although, I think we should keep the "game only" info pretty minimal." I'm thinking get rid of game only info completely from the articles about anime/manga digimon (so like the champion A-H style articles) Information about digimon in games (unless they're a major character in it) can just go onto the game article (sort of like this). --`/aksha 07:08, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So, quick review, how exactly will this work again? Clevomon 19:30 EST, 9 Oct 2006