User talk:Khoikhoi/Archived

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User:Eddl

Thanks for your help Eddl 08:33, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

User:QWL

greek wrting: this page not need greek writng. and Thessaloniki link. turkish language version can take out. its in greece. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Qwl (talk • contribs) 19:14, 8 October 2006.

Gorani (language)/Well...

Actualy the pov rename is approporate as per naming conventions. We avoid unnecesaryly spesific info in ( )'s unless absolutely necesary. --Cat out 01:56, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

There's a big controversy over the Altaic languages, but most articles link to that page, not the Altaic hypothesis article... :-/ —Khoikhoi 02:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I do not believe that contravercy is anyway related to the "Gorani" page. --Cat out 02:11, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I never said it was, I was merely giving an example. —Khoikhoi 02:19, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah I see. Care to elaborate? I am not certain what I am looking for. :) --Cat out 09:35, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Not really (it's 2:38 AM over here). ;-) Kolay gelsin. —Khoikhoi 09:38, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Sleep is a poor substitute to cafeine.... :P --Cat out 09:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

hi again

Hi khoikhoi. it is me again. I just wanted to say "You see...". You are a nice and quite unbiased person. But still I dont think you have read my articles. Don get me wrong I am not blaming you of anything. These things are really really huge and I totally understand you have no time. And besides of course you are in no way obliged to read or whatever. I just want to say that "even you as a politically correct person do not really listen to us. Still you are pretty sure about genocide issue". This is the very same story that goes on for 100 years.

see what Sultan Mohammed Vl te told the American writer E. Alexander Powell in 1922:

“If we sent one, your newspapers and periodicals would not publish an article written by a Turk, if they published it, your people would not read it, if they read it, they would not believe it. Even if we sent a qualified person to America, to convey to you in your language, the Turkish point of view, would he find an impartial audience?”

I repeat again I dont want to push or blame you for anything. Dont get me wrong ok. I am just portraying our situation... think about the rest of the community who are much less tolerant and open compared to you. who will invest time to see what Turks say? neurobio 02:22, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I have seen your several edits regarding Israel and Judaism related issues. Thats why I think that way. its ok if you think this is genocide. I will not try to tell you all the story again. I just want to remind you there are also many historians who say this is not genocide. And also keep in mind that Standford Shaws house was burned (by asala), Bernad lewis was convicded and humiliated and Gilles Veinstein got death treath so many times. All these historians had to remain silent later on. How many historians in respected universities deny Holocaust? All these historians that you mention are genocide scolars most of them not publishing any thing except this issue and almost none can speak Ottoman Turkish. almos all of them are not from middle east or Ottoman related chairs. So all I want you to see for now is this is no way comparable to Holocoust. It has risen out of a teritorial conflict. and both sides had an army weaker or stonger. we are not saying they made up everything we just say they do not mention they had an army, they do not mention they rebelled, they do not mention they also killed thousands of Turks. So the story being told one sided It sure looks like a genocide. And in Holocaust there is a trial and endless documents from German archive. Here There is no international trial and there is not a single document from Ottoman archives that say kill armenians. I know two armenian figures opposing genocide only one of them is a researcher not historian though. neurobio 03:18, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Khoikhoi, I appologize, I had some time to kill so I'll answer this funny piece above. Neuro is suggesting that a Germanic chair of history founded by Germany would be the ultimate authoritative field in the evantuality of a Germany denying the Holocaust. He has also yet to understand that genocide studies is a multidisciplinary field, always has been, always will be, the trash talk about those are 'genocide scholars'..., as if Hilberg was ever really known beyond his Holocaust studies, or Buer in his comparative genocide studies. Also, I didn't knew that Armenians had an army, when the short lived republic of Armenia of late 1918 had an army that could hardly reach 50,000 solders, not to say that it was even not able to resist Ottoman invasion of 'Russian Armenia', supposedly baked antity of the Transcaucasian republic, which lost Olti, Ardahan, Kars not to say the peripherial zones against the Turks who've sent barely few contigent at first to realise that Armenians weren't even able to keep what is outside Ottoman frontiers. Not to say that Neurobio has yet to provide any instances where Armenians have resisted to their deportation ANYWHERE in the entire Ottoman empire, they were allegedly army but yet each issued order for deportation was placed in application and respected the schedules even according to the archives released by the Turkish government prime minister directorate internal archives. So armed the Armenians are that the Fadixian paradox has ever yet to be resolved. Isen't it amazing that everywhere where Armenians are said to have exterminated, massacred Turks, it is the Armenians who have vanished.

As for the endless records from German archives, maybe Neuro could talk more about it, as the list of concentration camps is the only element of its kind in history as what could get closer to what Himmler coudn't get burned, when they've destroyed countless numbers of records before the allies could enter Berlin. Neuro is of course ignorant, that it defies the purpouses of genocide for its mastermind to sign anything without taking any careful measured that it would be found. As the German official in the Ottoman reported regdring the Ottoman secret meatings involving the branch responsable of the destruction of the Armenians. Anything had to be read in place, no paper records had to be left, the message taken, the paper burned. I find it laughable that some ignoramus who haven't taken the time to read beyond what some trash-talk sites could offer to read about the subject they're trying to discuss about. Well..., here was the time I had to kill. Regards. Fad (ix) 23:35, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

The Bat!

I have added the references to The Bat! page to let it not look full of wheasel words. Could you please take a look to The Bat! page and let me know whether it is now OK, editing the page if necessary? Thank you very much!!! --20:40, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing troublesome statement "A number of Internet service providers, sites and organisations...". But I don't have a reliable source for this, since the publisher of The Bat! Ritlabs is getting many emails and phone calls with complains either that "The Bat! is a spamming tool" or "my e-mail messages from The Bat! are being blocked by my Internet service provider because they think that The Bat! is a spamming tool". All these e-mails are private. But there is a public discussion in a forum: http://www.oreillynet.com/databases/blog/2003/05/the_bat.html , and there is a sentence: "I always thought that The Bat was a popular MUA among spammers. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've seen it in several header_reject lookup tables at a few different sites". That's all that we have. How can we give the source for the statement "A number of Internet service providers, sites and organisations...". ? Thank you in advance!!!! --23:06, 9 October 2006 (UTC)~

There is also a page http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/spammer.html which reiterates the problem of "The Bat! and The Spammer", but it is "sponsored" by the publisher of The Bat! software. --Maxim Masiutin

The section about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bat%21#Forged_headers did exist at Wikipedia before I've started my contributions to Wikipedia. But it was somewhat outdated. I've asked Marck Pearlstone, the author of the text at http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/spammer.html to update the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bat%21#Forged_headers headers, and he did directly edit the text at Wikipedia. The page http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/spammer.html contains the following copyright statement "Copyright © 1995-2002 RITLABS. All rights reserved.". Do you need a fax from RITLABS with the permission to use this information at Wikipedia? My English skills are not so good to rewrite it in my own words. Could you please rewrite it by yourself, shortening it and probably giving the link to http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/spammer.html ? --Maxim Masiutin 09:58, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for you prompt help, but there is still template present, how can we get rid of it? :-) --Maxim Masiutin 10:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much! --Maxim Masiutin 10:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Armenia

Now will you consider joining WikiProject Armenia? You joined WikiProject Turkey. -- Clevelander 22:11, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Rv

hi khoikhoi I have added the name Jeremy Salt to Denial section in Armenian genocide article. He is the writer of one of the Articles that I have sent to you. So it is fully sourced. but it is reverted in an instant by clevelander can you revert it for me please. I will violate 3RR if I do it.neurobio 22:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Shabaks

Hey there khoikhoi, yes I just like all of people of Northern Iraq are aware of Shabaks. One thing to keep in mind about them, while their blood is of Persian descent, their tradition is strongly arab infuenced. That is why only shabaks in the villages know how to speak there original language. They along with the Yezidis and Assyrians of the same area are pushing really hard for some kind of autonomy in these two counties [[1]] where the 3 make up approx 90% of the population. They are known for being VERY anti Kurdish. So anti-kurdish up to a point where they have infuenced the Yezidis of the region about there views on kurds as well (if you go to a yezidi village today in iraq, they will tell you they dont consider themselves kurdish, and shabaks had some role in the development of this view.) Shabaks are really hating the fact that Kurdish infuence is getting bigger and bigger in there area. The 3 groups are basically united in terms of politics. Here is an article written by a shabak; [[2]]. Interesting story a couple months ago; [[3]]. Chaldean 01:56, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Rumi

Love the rumi quote man, Im gonna steal it from ya :) --Gregorof 07:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Viszont szia!

It may be true, because I have also heard about a village in Turkey, which is mainly populated by descendants of Hungarian people - there was a TV-show about it on the "Duna TV". Öcsi 09:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Now I've found it. Yes, it's the same guy whom I saw on the Duna TV (he comes from Csíkszereda). He went to that village in Turkey and talked with the inhabitants - they are all claiming that they are descendants of hungarians and that "this ground is hungarian". Öcsi 09:21, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

No. Öcsi 09:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks from StuffOfInterest

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which finished with a tally of 52/6/1 (~90%). It was an interesting process which gave me a chance to learn a bit about myself and about the community. My intention now is to slowly ease into using those additional buttons on my page. No use being over eager and mucking up the works. The support of all those who went over my record and/or rallied to my defense after the big oppose vote was instumental to the success of this review. Again, thank you! --StuffOfInterest 12:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Snle

Cool! I will only add Unsigned tags after his contributions, so we can keep track of him. In the meantime, I will try not to engage in any direct exchange. Thanks for taking care of this.--Niohe 00:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

OK! I'll let you take care of it. --Niohe 00:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Got it. I might go back and edit my Unsigned tags, after all. Apparently, I made some mistake. Hope you don't mind...--Niohe 00:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I will add tags where appropriate, so we can follow his movements, but beyond that I'll do my best not to engage with him. --Niohe 00:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Khoikhoi, thanks for alerting me to the User Talk page. I was not aware of it or how to use it. Cosal 01:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I must admit I am still not very clear in my mind about when to use the Discvussuion page, the User page, or the User Talk page. I will need to dig deeper into the WIKI rules, practices and conventions, I guess. Cosal 01:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Mop?

Hi there! I've noticed your extensive and competent contributions to diverse areas of Wikipedia. As such I was wondering if you were interested in a nomination for adminship. Yours, >Radiant< 12:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

(removed edits by banned user Bonaparte —Khoikhoi 17:28, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

• I am unaware of the background and circumstances surrounding these blocks, but judging from the log he had a couple of 3RR violations half a year ago, which is unfortunate but not damning, and was accidentally blocked by Curps's antiWillybot, which was quickly undone. Please do enlighten me if there's controversy surrounding Khoikhoi. >Radiant< 13:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
  • As far as I'm aware, the January blocks were all from a time when Khoikhoi was still quite new, and when he was the victim of an intense harassment campaign by now banned User:-Inanna-, who is quite probably also the anonymous mudslinger above. I think almost all the reverting was done in that context. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Ah, Bonny, not Inanna, was it? You sure have a better nose for their different smells than I have ;-) Περαστικά σου... Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Another Snle sock-puppet?

I just wanted to alert you to the fact that User:Manzhouri has reverted your deletions of User:13569. I am not engaging with him in any way yet.--Niohe 17:02, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Antalya

I have rv the article. I know that permabanned users' edits must always be deleted and u were right in reverting before. but now i added it and i am not permabanned (not even once blocked:)...). Cheers Hectorian 17:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Check your email. Hectorian 17:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Do not take out sourced info

Do not take out sourced sections please. That section is a summary leading to a main article. It has everything to do with both the Azerbaijan page and the ADR page.Khosrow II 03:59, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Its directly related to both, thats why.Khosrow II 04:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

ADR was the beinging of what is today the R. of Azerbaijan.Khosrow II 04:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I have already talked to an admin about it. She was the one who put it in for the moment after GM reverted.Khosrow II 04:17, 12 October 2006 (UTC)