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updated 14 April 2009 — (changes • edit)


Catch-22 Major - de Coverly

Hi Kevinalewis - as you can see I am slowly getting my way through these characters. Two questions

  • Major —— de Coverly is rated as Start - but as he is a minor character, and there really is little more to say about him, and he is unlikely to be referenced in the lit etc.. should the article have a different level either B, or is there a cat for short articles that can never be great as there is so little info to be had?
  • Second you seem very busy with this Project - full credit - would it be easier if when I write up the articles I rate them - based on the level you have given the previous characters. E.g. if written to same level - all characters B/Mid. I know this is not strictly the thing to do - but you have already done the initial assessment. When I then work on the major characters and the main Catch-22 article looking for GA and beyond I can then request re-assessment.

Keep up the good work, Cheers --Lethaniol 12:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

all seems fine to me - al your assumptions are correct. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 12:29, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

334

Thanks for reassessing 334 (novel) after my recent changes. I have a couple of questions... I know I also need to spend more time on the WikiProject Novels page, but if I may ask you too:

  1. What would you say are the main areas to address in this article to get it closer to Good quality?
I would say it is looking fairly good already. The most obvious addition might be a "spoiler free" ==Plot introduction== (see discussion below), some more inline citations, and a ==Release details== formatted as in the pattern template. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 07:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  1. I see you fixed the section headings to correspond to the template. Not to nit-pick, but... among the template's very thorough list of desired section headings (a little too thorough to my mind, but I wasn't there for the discussion) there are separate ones for "allusions to other works" and "allusions to actual events etc." By that scheme, I'd have to add a whole section just for the one point about the Burke & Hare murders, because that's not "other works". Is it really awful to collapse those into a single "allusions and references" section as I did? Also, I still don't understand at all why we're repeating the book title in the "Characters" section, but I know that's already been discussed.
By using common heading between articles we gain a consistency that aids the reader moving from one novel article to another. Also it provides a suitable home for similar material for follow on editors to slot into the scheme provided. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 07:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Is it really necessary to move the "spoilers" warning up so far? The beginning of that section just covers the basic background and premise of the novel, and talks about its structure.
Understandable, but is all about consistency. The ==Plot introduction== is intended for spoiler free description of the storyline and should be readable for anyone who "might" like to think about reading the novel. The ==Plot summary== is a "Spoilable" zone for those who, don't mind, are studying the novel, want to remind themselves etc. This may look like it should be spoiler marked only at the end say for "mystery novel" but for many the stories major development lines could be a "spoilt" plot. It think we can be a bit flexible on this one, but the aim should err towards consistency again. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 07:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again... ←Hob 19:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah whoops, it looks like it may have been User:Errabee who did the rating, so I'll direct at least the first of those questions to Errabee. ←Hob 00:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BOOKS assessment

Actually it was started in 26 April 2006, but it has been pretty stagnant. I was aware of the automatic indexing, but it seemed like too much work :). Perhaps Novels and Books should merge their assessment to avoid duplicate assessment boxes in article talk pages (if WP:BOOKS goes to bot assissted indexing), but still have both WP:WikiProjects assessing separately...? Something to consider. P.S. Check out the new Biography box in Portal:Literature. Best, feydey 10:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment request

Hi, do you think Erast Fandorin would stand a chance at being awarded GA-grade? Could you please give some feedback on how to enhance it even further? Thanks in advance, Errabee 15:12, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've nominated it as a GA candidate. Errabee 23:45, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For you!

The Original Barnstar
For your hard work rating and classifying articles for WikiProject Novels. -- Merope 13:23, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Over 19,000 edits and this is your first barnstar?! Clearly you do not do it for one, but I certainly appreciate your hard work. -- Merope Talk 13:34, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Short stories and Novels Wikiproject

I was just reading the discussion about whether short story collections should have the project banner. I'm curious as to whether I should have the project banner on some of the Simon Templar books. For example, The Brighter Buccaneer or Boodle (The Saint)? These are clearly short story collections and any links between the stories are tenuous at best. On the other hand other Saint books such as Once More the Saint, being novella collections, probably qualify since if the novellas were published separately they'd qualify for the project since it includes that format. (In fact there are several Saint novellas that were published on their own as well as in collections.) Thoughts? Should the project banner come down from the Saint short story collections? I think it's also used on the two James Bond short story collections as well. 23skidoo 21:22, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Difficult one isn't it. I have tried to keep the original project brief which would naturally exclude short stories. However I bent them a bit to be inclusive of Novellas. Should we debate a formal change of policy and define the project as Novels, Novellas and Short stories. It might make more sense of this type of problem. Obviously Graphic novels, plays, manga, light novels etc would stay out of scope! If you agree propose the change on the GeneralForum and I would support it!. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:52, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'll give it some thought. I'm stuck in an enforced semi-Wikibreak due to workload at my job but when I have a chance to put my thoughts in order I'll do so. My feeling is novellas should be included since so many readers do not recognize (or are necessarily aware of) the differences. Short stories by themselves are pretty cut-and-dried, and I think a case can be made that short story collections probably fall outside the scope ... but it gets complex if you deal with collections where the stories are somehow linked. A very good example is the first Doctor Who: Decalog book which was a series of short stories by different authors, yet each was linked by a common theme and one of the stories was a linking story connecting them all. Yet I've never heard of that book being called a novel... Yeah, it's a toughie. 23skidoo 21:27, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I appear to have jumped into the middle of this discussion with my edits of Little Altars Everywhere. I saw Kevin's direction in this discussion to leave the banners off a proposed article on The Collected Stories of Vernor Vinge, and interpreted that to mean that story collections are outside the scope of the Novels project. So I removed the banners from Little Altars Everywhere. I hope that was the right thing to do.
I'd say that an equivalent project for anthologies and/or short story collections is needed. I notice that Wikipedia currently has an article and a stub tag for anthologies, but nothing more specific. There are categories for "Anthologies", "Fiction anthologies", and "Single-author short story collections". This seems inconsistent to me. Shouldn't each book category have a corresponding stub tag?
I was under the impression that the term "anthology" mean a collection of short stories by different authors (like the Doctor Who book that 23skidoo mentions), and a book of short stories by the same author was a "story collection". But the anthology article doesn't mention that distinction, so perhaps I was mistaken. Pat Berry 17:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This Saturday or Sunday

I can re-run that list, anyothers? —— Eagle (ask me for help) 13:39, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gulp

Thanks for the message, Kevin. So, having supported Huck Finn for nomination I'm in the frame to help, eh? Will try to get to that. (Makes mental note not to support anything for nomination in the future ;)) --Sordel 13:27, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not serious, no, but you couldn't have picked a worse month ... I'm hoping to finish the Poirot sequence over the next two weeks because I'm busy after that. Still, I'll try to get over to Twain before November. --Sordel 20:52, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Novels list

ow... I got very busy with the startup of WP:VP2. I can try to run tonight or tommarrow night. Sorry about that. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 22:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sacred Hunger

Thanks for helping me with the article, I didn't have enough information to complete the infobox. Is there a site or method for finding the first edition of a novel? I had a look on a couple of sites but I wasn't sure which edition was the first. The one on amazon was a newer version I believe. Could you help me find the cover for the book as well?

Thanks for your help, and sorry for my inexperience with the novels area. I'm writing up a plot summary for the book at the moment, it will probably take me a week or two to skim through the book again (it's been many months since I read it) and then condense it into a synopsis.

Kind regards, Richard001 07:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help. I haven't been able to get a good picture of the first edition, I found one from a side angle and one here [1] that's too small. I guess it will have to be left blank for now, unless the Norton paperback or some other edition would be suitable, or a picture of the original hardback can be found somehow. I'll get back to the article in a few days time and add some more material as you suggested. I've taken a look at the novels wikiproject and it was very helpful for starting the article, I'll try to keep to the format and look at other novel articles for examples. Thanks again, Richard001`

The Magic Christian

Hi, I had a long day yesterday splitting the novel from the film and correcting all the many links in articles pointing to each. Now the original The Magic Christian article has turned into the disambiguation page and all former edit history (as I noted in both articles' discussions) is to be found there. The novel stub is at The Magic Christian (novel) and links to The Magic Christian (film) too. The user who had started the original article, as a novel, got a bit upset to find it turned into a stub, so any further work on the novel will be very appreciated. I have created book infobox with an image I uploaded and moved there a former version of the original before it started getting mixed with film entries. Hoverfish 11:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am running it now

you know what this is for :) Yes I will look into making a tool for others to use. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 19:04, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I am really sorry.
I am having heck doing this... the query.php interface got changed somewhere in the last month or so... I am working on this full time. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 23:30, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Almost done. 1500 to go... —— Eagle (ask me for help) 01:34, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hate to say it, but that means we have more articles. Basically we have tagged more articles improperly then we have fixed. There were approx 4300 articles using the {{Infobox Book}} template.`The criteria are the same. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 13:18, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I can run other lists in about 8 hours. Want others run? —— Eagle (ask me for help) 13:21, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue V - October 2006

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter
Issue V - October 2006
Project news
  • Our project has been working on novel articles for sometime now and has just passed the 4000 articles tagged as part of the project. Already we are on 4441 as of today.
  • The /Assessment department has been making progress with discussions on the top priority level of novels. These are those articles that should be present in any version of this encyclopedia.
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Member News
  • The project has currently 142 members, 16 joined & 0 leavers since the last newsletter at the start of September 2006.
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House Made of Dawn Redux

Hiya. All the mess with House Made of Dawn looks to be kicking off again. Could you do me a favour and keep an eye on it? HQCentral's bullying tactics can get a little wearing if anyone has to face him individually (look at all the fights he's had at Collier's Dictionary for evidence). Cheers! Vizjim 09:51, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wilson covers

Thanks. Unfortunately I don't have any of those books so I can't replace the covers myself. I tried to find out exactly why the covers were removed, and from what I can see the fellow who uploaded them got into an argument with people who felt the covers shouldn't be used and decided to remove all his uploads out of fear of copyright violation. It seems he might have also used photographs of the covers rather than actual scans (maybe he has no scanner) but that shouldn't make a difference in terms of fair use. Just the tone of the discussion (I don't have a link but check the history of Cosmic Trigger I and you'll see the fellow who removed the images) led me to wonder whether something hadn't changed ... again. 23skidoo 14:30, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{NovelsWikiProject}

Hi Kevin, I'm not sure how to go about using AWB to put the novelswiki template on talk pages. Grey Shadow 14:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hercule Poirot

Kevin, I've finished today my immediate task of producing B-class articles for all the late Poirot novels (pretty much everything after Death on the Nile). I've also done quite a lot of work on the Hercule Poirot article itself and I'd appreciate it if you could find some time to take a look at its current state, reassess it, and let me know how we could think about getting it up to A-class. Thanks in advance. --Sordel 16:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the investment of time to check this (and for the encouragement). As I understood it, one isn't supposed to nominate for GA status something that one has worked on oneself. Is that wrong? --Sordel 08:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Liberty

Thanks for that. --Guinnog 13:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Novels project

I'd really rather not. I want to keep the userboxes and categories to a minimum. (The babel categories are irritating enough - I'm inclined to subst them and remove the categories). john k 23:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have any other categories based on wikiprojects, so it feels awkward to give myself one based on that. I'm on the list of users, I feel as though that's sufficient. john k 10:39, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ayesha

Thanks for the photo and infobox details on Ayesha -- awesome you got a photo of the first edition! --Bookgrrl 12:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Olympic Barnstar

The Olympics Barnstar
You are awarded this barnstar for your monumental contributions to expanding Olympic coverage on Wikipedia.Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 08:26, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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