Talk:Fuck/Archive 5
I thought wikipedia wasnt a fucking dictionary -stevertigo
- This isn't my favorite entry either. But since this word has such a colorful history and touches on censorship issues some people think that makes the word an encyclopedic topic. BTW, it is customary to place comments at the bottom of talk pages. Yeah, I know, it is a weird custom but it is easier to follow talk threads that way. --mav
Actually, AFAIK, German ficken is the correct root, which in turn has the same root as the German word zwicken (to nip of pinch).
Also, should we link to The fuck page? --Magnus Manske 19:07 Sep 23, 2002 (UTC)
- ...criminal charges of obsenity.
Is that true? I thought obscenity is defined as pornography that's too strong for community standards. AxelBoldt 14:07 Sep 23, 2002 (UTC)
- The text mentions Joyce. Miller, and Bruce, all of whom were arrested before Miller v. California (1973), which created the "prurient interest/community standards" doctrine you mention. --LDC
Please explain to me why "swearword" and "taboo word" are "superfluous" links. Also, could you please specify why Brussels is a relevant link. Thirdly, what is the point of adding a 655 page English usage manual to a bibliography on the word fuck?
Looking forward to hearing from you -- KF 23 Sept 2002, 17:05
If there was really a point to this article, I'd like to know what it was. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Why not write about obscenity, censorship, or community standards or taboo words or something general like that? --Ed Poor
Holy shit, Stephen! I forgot to "move" the text before deleting the article!! What the fuck was I thinking?! --Ed Poor
Etymology : Maybe from the french "foutre" now very old fashionned but common till XIX century ?
- Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary has "akin to Dutch fokken to breed (cattle), Swedish dialect fokka to copulate" --Ed Poor
IMHO it's so old that is has the same unknown origin in latin and saxon languages.
- I expect we'll be learning presently that it derives from the Old Prussian language... user:sjc
F.U.C.K. at Woodstock !
" which has a highly suggestive hieroglyph. " Please, please we want a picture !
As far as I can see, the article consists of two things - a historical account of the use and acceptance or lack thereof of fourletter words, and etymological guesses. The second part is iirc explicitly listed as one thing not to include in articles (although I don't remember in what policy or whatever I read it) and the first part should by any reason be placed in an article about profanity in general. If there's ever a vote on deleting this article - moving the (in many ways otherwise very good) content if desired - count me in as voting for deleting it. -- User:OlofE
- The entry doesn't contain the use and acceptance of four letter words, but of "fuck" in particular. Etymologies aren't one of the taboo topics in Wikipedia; it's certainly not necessary for all entries, but for some, in particular those for which there exist folk etymologies, I'd think it reasonably appropriate. --The Cunctator
I protected the page, to prevent any _more_ gratuitious deletions. Apparently I have started a trend; I had no idea I was a role model for vandals! It's very embarrassing. --Ed Poor 20:18 Sep 23, 2002 (UTC)
- There's no need for the page to be protected. Any gratuitous edits can easily be reverted. --The Cunctator
- Very well. I bow to the consensus, as always. --Ed Poor
I agree, I mean soemone else coudl add something. Pages shoudl only be protected if its genrally not possible to add to it anymore. Also if the layout has beena pproved etc. - fonzy
The Channel 4 television comedy series Father Ted introduced to the mainstream a swear-word which was almost "fuck" and not quite a euphemism, prolifically used by the drunken and lecherous priest Father Jack Hackett: "feck".
- Probably a complete coincidence, but "fek'" means "feces" in Esperanto, and makes an excellent light swear word in that language. --Brion 04:05 Oct 14, 2002 (UTC)
- I'll see what I can find out. It probably is a coincidence but who knows the script writers may been being very very clever indeed. user:sjc
Worth mentioned French Connection's rebranding themselves in the late 90s as "fcuk" (for French COnnection UK); and the high profile of those initials in their ongoing UK ad campaigns? -- Tarquin 19:43 Jan 29, 2003 (UTC)
- Sure, if you put it that it is a sign of changing standards that they could play with people's heads that way while respecting the taboo "to the letter" (pun pardon applied for). Ortolan88
feck is a common milder swear word used in Ireland. It is the sort of thing a middle aged uncle who wanted to swear but didn't want to cause too much offence would use, if there were kids about. A longer, even cleaner version, often used by old Dubliners was Janey Mac Whereas older people (60s+) or Reverend Mothers (having had one too many Gin and Tonics, or having spent too much time testing the Communion wine) would tend to say, well, janey mac, the younger generation (35-) use phrases which mix traditional swearing with religious imaginery, as in Mother of Divine Fuck (mixing 'Mother of God', another Reverend Mother-ish polite 'swear', with the F word) Another religious quasi-swear is 'Jesus, Mary and Joseph', usually said by religious people who if they had the chance they would use the F-word twenty times in a row but they are too polite to. Another Religious type swear is 'Hooring Jaysus' (or in American-speak, Whoring Jesus, though it is pronounced exactly as written in the Irish version.) JTD 04:55 Jan 30, 2003 (UTC)
- Is the word feck derived from fuck, or does it have a distinct etymology? -- Oliver P. 01:23 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)
I suspect it is a more polite pronounciation of 'fuck' but I have no proof. JtdIrL 11:33 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)