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Dbennben: vein is ér in Hungarian. If you add words, should do that correctly. Please only ONE word for one notion. Your many words are confusing and senseles.

Please do NOT delete the selected ground words. What you do is simply terror. Also do not censor the links. Are you so afraid of the truth? Antifinnugor 07:50, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hi Antifinnugor,

I don't know what you're talking about. I certainly didn't add words, as I don't know any foreign languages. I'm pretty sure I didn't delete any "selected ground words", whatever those are, either. If you still think I did, please provide a reference to the page history.

Dbenbenn 15:22, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Improvements

Hi Dbenbenn,

I have replied to your message on my talk page.

Pasquale 21:16, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Ground words

It has probaly a better English word. Please name it. I call ground words the parts of the body, eye, nose, ear, leg, hand, the family like father, mother, brother, sister, milk (feeds the babies), the living environment, like house, way, sea, that people living in a simple environment, for sure use. Antifinnugor 09:14, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I don't know a better term, since I'm not a linguist. Does this list of words have any particular linguistic meaning?

For example, nobody would expect the "ground words" in Finnish to be particularly similar to the same words in Hungarian. That doesn't have anything to do with their relationship. --Dbenbenn 20:53, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Yes, it has. For example the so called indogerman language theory is mainly based of the similarity of the words mother, father and the like. Besides that the grammatical similarity of having 4..6 cases, and the like.

If the two nations allegiadly have something to do with each other, they are allegiadly relatives, then how could they speak with each other, if the ground words are completely different? You never speak with your relatives? Antifinnugor 18:41, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

(I rearranged your comments a bit to make the discussion more readable, and removed the comment that you duplicated from your talk page.)

The Wikipedia doesn't seem to have an entry on Indogerman. Did you spell it right? Can you provide a source, preferably in English?

"If the two nations": you seem to be confusing the issue here. We're talking about the Finno-Ugric languages. Nobody claims that the countries have anything to do with each other. Also, "then how could they speak with each other": just because two languages are related doesn't mean they are mutually-comprehensible. I can't understand any German whatsoever, even though German is the closest language to English. --Dbenbenn 19:21, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I think Indoeuropean is what in Germany is called Indogerman. Does it say anything for you? Antifinnugor 20:23, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

If the countries are on different places and there was no contact whatsoever at any time, and the nations are antropologically very different, why should then be the language be so related, that they form a group? This is one of the main wound points of the finno-ugric tale besides of the words' unsimilarity. Finns and Estonian are typically nordic, Hungarian are european mixed, lapps are european-asian mixed, all others are mongoloid. If they talked in the past, did they talk over mobile phones? Antifinnugor 20:23, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

If you lived in the 11-th century, when the Saxons entered England, you would be able to speak with them. (the saxons). With other words, in the past Germans and English could speak with each other, but later on the language developed differently. There must be a common past behind language relationship. Even today, Finns and Estonians understand each other, Dutch and German, Turkish and Azerbaidschans, Spanish and Italian, etc... Antifinnugor 20:23, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Oh! I read "indogerman" as "in-doger-man", not "indo-german"! I thought it was a proper name.

Is this serious or fun? Antifinnugor 21:03, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Anyway, I suspect that the Indo-European classification is based on more than just the similarities of a few words. I suspect there's a large body of evidence. But I'm not a linguistics expert, so I can't really say one way or the other.

I think, it is also based on the grammatically similarity of using 4..6 grammatical cases. The words are for me very similar, garden-garten, house-haus, father-vater, mutter-mother, nummer-number, numbers up to 12, which indicate 12-er number system, antropologically identical or very similar people, etc... Antifinnugor 21:03, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Furthermore, the claim is that Finnish and Hungarian split off 5000 years ago. That's an awful long time. You should expect a lot more changes than between German and English. For what it's worth, Old English isn't comprehensible to English speakers, and it's only 1000 years old.

Finally, it isn't too hard to see how the Finns and Hungarians could diverge "anthropologically". They start out in the Ural mountains, then move to different geographic locations, and proceed to procreate with the people who live there. Languages and genes can be independent of each other.

Well, the problem is with that, that we are the Sumerians, the Skythas and the Huns, and have very little to do with Finns/Estonians. All our legends are of those origin. Hungarian writing appeared forst in the 11-th century, Finnish in the 16-th. We have nothing in common with their legends, even though we think, they are sympathetic people. Antifinnugor 21:03, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Anyway, we're really getting out of territory that I know anything about. I suggest that I'm not the right person to be talking about this with. --Dbenbenn 21:52, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I have started a new page, Critic_of_Finno_Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups, where I list my objections. I am talking with you, because you actively deleted whatever I wrote onto the Finnougric or uralic page in the past, you remember, don't you? Antifinnugor 21:03, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I remember reverting some of your changes twice: [1] and [2]. I wouldn't say that I "actively deleted whatever [you] wrote". Also, both were on Finno-Ugric languages. I never reverted you on Uralic languages. Please be careful with your accusations. As I've said on your user talk page, I'm willing to help you with an "alternative viewpoints" or "criticisms" section if you want. (By the way, did you consider the suggestions I made there?) --Dbenbenn 21:40, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

La La info box?

I have done that for "Pieces of Me", but I don't know if there's enough info to justify creating one for "La La" just yet. I think there ought to at least be a CD single released to have one of those. Everyking 22:59, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Presumably it will be released as a CD single, but for the time being it's still just a radio (and TV) single. It's still very new, after all. Everyking 00:11, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The Humungous Image Tagging Project

Hi. You've helped with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiki Syntax, so I thought it worth alerting you to the latest and greatest of Wikipedia fixing project, User:Yann/Untagged Images, which is seeking to put copyright tags on all of the untagged images. There are probably, oh, thirty thousand or so to do (he said, reaching into the air for a large figure). But hey: they're images ... you'll get to see lots of random pretty pictures. That must be better than looking for at at and the the, non? You know you'll love it. best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)

Seems nothing happened, but...

Hello! Thanks for the modern pallet picture. I went to your page to see what kind of warehouse/logistics experience you had and I was attracted to the nano text editor screenshot, because of my research on the human aspects of interfaces (and most certainly not the programming aspects) which led me to the screenshot picture page. I noticed that you wanted previous versions of the picture destroyed, and I started doing so using the few administrator commands/links I have on my screen. At least I thought I was doing so. Instead I was advised that I had just done a revert! I checked on the Nano editor article and everything seems al right. Tel me if I missed something. --AlainV 02:12, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Yes, you reverted to the old, bad image. I reverted it back to the newer image. If you want to try again, please delete the first version, of size 14662 bytes.

I've worked in a warehouse for about four months now. I'm glad you liked the picture! My boss thought I was crazy photographing a pallet; I didn't even try to explain that it was for an encyclopedia article. I'm interested in human interface design, too. Allow me to relate a story on that topic: At work, one of my tasks is to "receive" shipments, which involves telling a computer system what we've gotten so we can pay for it. Until last week, we used a 70s-era mainframe terminal program. It was completely non-GUI; most commands were done with the function keys F1--F24.

Then we switched to a fancy new browser-based GUI system. One would think it would be a lot more usable, right? Well, now instead of hitting 2<Enter> and typing my "purchase order number", I have to click on a tiny little arrow to expand a text box to put it in.

There are two morals to this story:

1. A business application should be designed to be easy to use, not easy to learn.
2. A bad GUI is worse than a bad text interface. --Dbenbenn 03:07, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Just erased the first one at the bottom of the pile, which was the first entered (size 14662 bytes). The system told me "20041106021316!Screen_shot_of_GNU_Nano_1.2.4.png" has been deleted. See deletion log for a record of recent deletions." but it does not show yet on that picture page. Sometimes the wiki database takes hours for updates to show. The pallet picture scaling things are on my page. --AlainV 04:09, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)