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Civilization Fanatics Center

  • Keep Essentially passes criterion #2 of WP:WEB

Non-notable Internet forum and website. Fails WP:WEB. --- RockMFR 07:31, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • How huge and active does a website have to be in order to qualify as 'notable'? We aren't talking about a grandma's webpage here. This site is very large and very alive. --- Sahkuhnder 03:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The Alexa test is only to add supportive evidence. A high Alexa rating alone neither signifies importance or actual legimate traffic (ie. link farms). But a high Alexa rating for a legitimate site that is up for AfD means we should take a closer look to see if it passes WP:WEB before discounting its importance. Caknuck 16:29, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep- Definitely one of the major Civ sites, at least in the top two or three, still high-traffic even though the series is getting long in the tooth. --Groggy Dice 16:32, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep — THe site is indeed directly linked by the game website. However I really feel this article reads like an advertisment. -- lucasbfr talk 16:53, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete No encyclopedic notability. Articles on fan sites are getting out of control. The way we're going, at some point for every article on a popular TV show, video game, pop star, cartoon series, we'll have a separate article on Wikipedia about the main fan website which reads "this fansite was founded in 200x and it pays tribute to X pop culture thingy and is linked to from X's main website by X's marketing guys", "it has 3 forums and 8 subforums. here is the list", "here are some fun stuff that the forum posters get up to and some running jokes we like - it's a subculture!". Wikipedia is not a web directory. Leave aside how many visitors the site is claiming to get - Does the website do anything encyclopedically notable? Does it have any impact on the wider culture? I mean even things like Fark and YTMND have more of a notable impact than these fansites. And yes, I'm a Civ fan and have even used this website several times. (sidenote: Civ 4 sucks though.) Bwithh 17:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • CommentDelete - CWe do have an article on Serebii.net. Oh, and this isn't the Pokémon test. Willie the Walrein 22:15, 28 October 2006 (UTC) Oh my, we don't. I guess they're right, taking a second look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Serebii.net.
  • Keep. Very popular website of a very popular computer game. --Carioca 22:41, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:WEB and Bwithh. If Civilization Fanatics Center is a worthwhile site, give it an external link from an appropriate Civilization-related article, not a separate article. --Metropolitan90 01:02, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Metropolitan. Also, as discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Serebii.net (2nd nomination) (thanks to Willie, but you linked the wrong discussion), fan site articles are unlikely to have much that meets WP:V, since they will rarely be discussed by reliable sources. I'm as big a Civ fan as the next guy, but Wikipedia is not a web directory. Xtifr tälk 22:12, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Metropolitan. Forums are so ephemeral affairs that headcounts mean very little unless sustained over, I'd say, a decade or so. Sandstein 06:12, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep it has very large forum (top 200 according to big boards) and a massive modding community. IT's definitely notable. --Perfection 08:54, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Apolyton is a similar fansite of whose article has been around for a year and it's not flagged for deletion.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.135.208 (talk)
  • Keep it! This site is one of the biggest fan-sites on the net (and maybe the biggest) and one of the biggest forums on the net! Threads: 178,088, Posts: 4,547,146, Members: 102,994. Keep it!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.25.63.150 (talk)
  • keep if it is one of the biggest fan sites on the web then i agree it should be kept.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.213.5.122 (talk)
  • Weak Delete I don't think this site warrants the level of detail in the article, but I'm not strongly supportive of deleting it. That said, it should be added to the external links of the games where it is appropriate. Mister.Manticore 14:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Wikipedia contains endless information on every South Park episode known to mankind and yet we want to delete one for a very large fansite for a very popular game? Godwynn 18:31, 30 October 2006
  • Keep The site is directly linked to from the official site, has a great number of collaborators on its article, is third on the a Google search for "civilization" (behind only the official sites), and most importantly, provides content other sites do not recieve through its great amount of added playstyles in both multi-player resources, and single-player modpacks. It is among the top 200 message boards on the web (according to BigBoards). To Delete it would be to remove a very instrumental new dimension of playing. --YbborT 00:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. -- moe.RON Let's talk | done 20:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep Wikipedias pro-apolyton anti-civfanatic agender has become very apparant over time.
  • Keep. Very popular website of a very popular computer game series. Noted not just for gameplay discussions, but for available downloads and mods. Site also includes large and active 'Off-Topic' discussion forum. --Sahkuhnder 02:21, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep--Maj_Kusanagi
  • Keep. How many websites can claim over a hundred thousand users? How many websites can claim an average of 500-1000 users on at a time? Plus a massive modding community. It might not be well known outside the internet, but it's one of the biggest boards in the world; in the top 200, according to Big Boards, as cited above. It's one of the biggest game fansites in the world. It's been, for better or for worse, a decently sized force on the internet. Obviously there are bigger, but if that were the only criteria for deletion, then we'd only have one page on wikipedia, "The Universe", and it would be rather too long for my tastes. It is significant enough to merit a wiki page. North King 02:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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