User talk:Almaqdisi

Hello Almaqdisi! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. If you decide that you need help, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some recommended guidelines to facilitate your involvement. Happy Editing! —Khoi khoi 02:04, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I'm sorry I haven't been very active of late. Could you please clarify for me where the problem with Dome of the Rock and other articles lie? I don't think I can follow everything on the talk pages so any specific guidance from you would be appreciated. Thanks! Ramallite ^(talk) 18:59, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Help in al-Aqsa Mosque and Dome of the Rock

I am available to assist you. Siddiqui 04:33, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Al-Aqsa Mosque images

Greetings. I appreciate your contributions to the Al-Aqsa Mosque article, but unfortunately the images you uploaded are not allowed on Wikipedia. We can only use "free" images, and these two images appear to come from Google Earth or Google Maps: Image:Oldcitymapaqsa.jpg and Image:Aqsacompund.jpg. You had tagged them as being free of copyright, which is incorrect. I hope we do find some good images of the mosque, but I'd like to ask you to be more careful in image tagging in the future. All the best, – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 14:56, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Minor edits

Hi, I happened to notice that you have been marking all of your edits as "minor". I suspect you are just being "modest", but please see Help:Minor edit for when to check this box. Take care, Elizmr 19:28, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops, I marked the "minor edit" box by mistake when I made the above edit to your talk page! Apologies, Elizmr 19:30, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Elizmr, I will make sure I am more careful with this. Sometimes after I upload some text, I forget to add a link or something. I did not know that later adding a link is not considered a minor edit. I appologise for my ignorance reagrding this. Thanks for providing me with this Help:Minor edit. Regards Almaqdisi 19:33, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Al-Asqa Mosque page

I didn't understand your "help" note on the "3rd holiest" deletion talk page. What are you objecting to? Elizmr 20:15, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your concern Elzimr. I am having difficutlies with adding relevant info to that page. Amoruso keeps reverting for no good reason. He disputes several things. For example, he does not want to believe that the Arabic term al-Masjid al-Aqsa from which the english al-Aqsa Mosque is derived, denotes the whole area of the noble sanctuary. I added citations that explain when these terms started to be used and what is denoted by each etc, but he insists that this is not neutral. Furthermore, he removes informaiton that al-Aqsa mosque compound's capacity is hundreds of thousands muslims. Instead he want only to use the number 5000 only to marginalize the place! Finally, he disproves the edits I made to the Dome of the Rock which is now blocked for this reason. There I have added the construction letter regarding the Dome in which it mentions that the muslim calpih commissioned the Dome as a mosque for muslims. Instead he insists this is not neutral and that the word mosque should be replaced with the word shrine arguing that the Dome was built by Jews and for Jews!

I cannot continue reverting his edits on these pages alone and this is why I need help from other people of knowledge. Certainly regarding this particular topic, he has agenda and is only interested in disputes and not authentic resources and is just not letting any information from Islamic accounts to stay there. This is why I asked the help and assistance from other users regarding this issue. I understand that many users may not be able to contribute conveniently to this article with legitimate resources, but I can do that and I have access to thousands of Academic Journals and Books and magazines. He argues that I may only have such edits on Arabic WikiPedia! I do not see why such information that is available in the Arabic language should not be available also in english, particularly given the fact that many of the old Arabic texts themselves have been recently translated to English and can also be conveniently cited and verified by english speakers. Have a good day. Almaqdisi 08:55, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes if the language is made more precise to convey a pov more exactly then the objections will go away but it doesn't sound like this is that kind of a case. Would it make sense to give two numbers of the occupancy with cites for each and say the capacity is disputed with some claiming x and some claiming y? Or two sets of sources and say that one set is the codified muslim source and the other is whatever it is and let both stand? It will be clear to Muslims reading that they should trust the Muslim source more, and others can get the range of what's out there and make their own conclusions. Is the problem with who built the dome about the site of the Jewish temples or is it something else? Anyway, I think you could probably reach a version that would be ok with both of you. Elizmr 23:01, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I concur with Elizmer's proposal here for a plurality of (reliable) sources as a way of mitigating this issue. Hang in there Almaqdisi, don't lose your cool. --Amerique ^dialectics 00:25, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Amerique, and Dear Elzimr. Thank you both for your remarks. Indeed I am always sticking to reliable sources and authentic citations. The problem with al-Aqsa Mosque page and with the Dome of the Rock page is that Amoruso and Chesdovi do not want to understand. This is really the whole issue. Even if you bring what ever sources like I am doing at al-Aqsa Mosque page, they are just not interested to understand, and only love to revert edits that take really time to organise. It is not becoming fun and something should should be done about it. Elzimr, this is what Amoruso believes [1]. Also, have a look at his this reverted edits of him [2], [3], [4]. For this reason, Amoruso keeps removing any information that explains what is al-Aqsa mosque, and that the whole Noble Sanctuary is a prayer site, and that the Dome of the Rock is a muslims house of worhsip, etc... I do not think there is a possibility at all for neutrality here with just wrong information. You cannot be neutral with such simply false information. It is a pitty that this is just proving why CNN and BBC would not consider Wikipeda as a reliable source for their broadcast. Almaqdisi 02:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I understand what it is like to have hard work undone and dismissed and can understand your frustration at that. The good thing about Wikipedia is that the work is still there in a previous version so don't despair. I also know that is is kind of bizarre to look at a page on a topic you know everything about and see that the people editing the page don't know much and there are inaccuracies there. I have looked at pages in my professional field and have had that experience. At the same time when I've looked at those pages I have been struck by how hard the editors are trying and how much they care about editing the article and the topic. This makes me feel more fondly towards what they have done even though they have gotten some of it wrong. Anyway, I don't know much about the history of the dome of the rock, but will look at the link you sent which shows Amoruso's POV. Maybe there is a way to present all of the material in a way that you and the others will be able to accept. Maybe not. Elizmr 03:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Almaqdisi,

What do you think of the possibility of pursuing further discussion between all parties concerned with the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa articles through WP:Mediation? I can fill out the request form if all parties involved agree to it. Best,--Amerique ^dialectics 05:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Third holiest site in Islam

Could you put your comments on the new lead on this page? I wrote it to respond to the complaints you made on the AFD talk page and I think it does repond to some of them (except for the title). What do you think? Elizmr 13:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Salam

I hope that you are Muslim. I am very impress from you comments on Third holiest site in Islam. If you need my help then please let me know. I usually do not have enough time but I will try. --- ابراهيم 14:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Email

I'd like to send an email to you, why don't you set up an email address for your account? thestick 14:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]