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Just curious, what inspired your username? Why did you choose that? If your desired username was already taken, what would you have called yourself?
For example: My username is Jam01. I chose that because my real name is James; therefore Jam is derived from James & the 01 makes it sound more interesting and less silly than just being called "Jam". If that was already taken, I probably would have been "Jam stinx" which is my (usually) other alibi on the web. Now it's your turn! I am interested! Thanks, - Jam0122:01, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
My username comes from the anime Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, a show that I like. As I say on my userpage, I share a lot of qualities with the Tachikoma robots in the show: eager to explore, curious about everything, and easily distracted. At the time I first registered on Wikipedia, I wanted to be entirely anonymous. Now that I feel more comfortable using my real name, I don't want to lose my edit count by changing the account name, so I'm just changing my signature. Speaking of which, how do you like my new sig (for those of you who can see the font)? --Kyoko22:48, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
My understanding is that if you create a new account, you begin with a 0 edit count. I could be wrong. In any case, it's not a big deal if my account name remains "Tachikoma", since I can change my signature anyway. --Kyoko23:03, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I just checked Wikipedia:Changing username, and it says that the name change process is hard on the servers, so I won't bother. Besides, I have an account on French Wikipedia too (where name changing is not allowed) and it's handy to be able to keep track of my own contributions across different language wikis. Anyway, thanks for the advice. --Kyoko23:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am into Harry Potter, and was inspired by Umbridge's interupting cough. I also like Homestar Runner, and remembered the fake anime year. If it was taken, I would have done Dmcmncjgcbjc, a username of mine from somewhere else.Hemhem20X623:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Already replied, but demon computer didn't save it... I joined when I started editing the boatload of grammar, spelling, and punctuation errors on Wikipedia. I only intended to make classic editor edits; sentence structure, grammar spelling punctuation, and formatting -- I actually ended up creating three new articles (on some of the mayors of Ottawa) in my first seven days of editing! — Editor at Large(speak)02:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, my username is just my real name with my birthdate at the end of it. I use it almost everywhere I need an account. If its taken I usually go for a modification of it. And my signature is that way because I actually typed that when I made first edit, asking questions on the Reference Desk. :-) I haven't changed my signature for quite sometime now. Jayant,17 Years, India • contribs03:58, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
From an oldid of my userpage:
‘crazytales’ is of my own invention, referencing that my mom tells weird stories (crazy tales) about the family at family gatherings. An example of this is that time a deer hit us while Mom was driving. Mom stopped the car to assess the damage; Amy (my sister) was going ‘is the deer okay?!’, I was going ‘is the car okay?!’, and Dad was going ‘oh SHIT MAN, how much is this going to cost me, how long will I have to skip bananas to pay for this?!’. We all left Mom wondering ‘who cares about me?! The deer *did* hit on my side....’
My username is my nickname in real life :D. Btw for people who feel sad about my friendslist, could you add your name there? Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :D. Cheers -- Imoeng07:11, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
First name Jason. Middle name Ronald. The 32 was an attempt to create a username that would be unique internet-wide, and stand little chance of being picked at random by someone else. I use the exact same username on every forum, bbs, blog, whatever. If you have seen it before, it was me. Been using it for over a decade as my only username. --Jayron3205:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Mine is derived both from my real name and an annoying nickname my housemaster branded me with. I would never reveal my name to anyone on WP... unless I met someone like Celestianpower or Shimgray in person. haz (talk) e16:52, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone have odd family trees? *Dog Barking Noises*
I'm currently 13 years old. I have an uncle (mom's cousin) that is probably 11 yrs. old. I have 2 nieces that are probably 8 and 11 yrs. old. And right this moment, I found out that my cousin is pregnant, so I will soon have a neice as well. Now get this: the older neice that I have right now (11 yrs. old) and my youngest uncle (11 yrs. old) share the same age, yet are related as granduncle-grandneice!!!! How weird is that???!!!--EdI'm lonely, talk to mecontribs20:46, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
On my mom's side, two of my mom's brothers married a mother and daughter. This makes the cousins by the younger marriage simultaneously the grandkids AND the greatgrandkids of my grandmother. On my dad's side, my grandmother married her aunt's husband's nephew; two of her cousins also married brothers of her husband. No blood relatives married, but a very close family overall! --Jayron3205:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
My father (the second youngest of four) has a lot of cousins, but the oldest is in her 50s and the youngest is under 10, which is strange, because three of the oldest cousins have grandchildren, so they all (all the way down to the 7- or 8-year-old) have first cousins, twice removed! And my youngest sister, who is 1½ years old, will be an aunt in February. — $PЯINGεrαgђ 19:30, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The Chicken because an egg would not be able to survive by itself. Eggs need to be warmed by a parent, and when hatched they need something to take care of it, show it how to survive. - Mit kebes T 13:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
How would you abruptly get a chicken egg? Even by evolutionary standards, you don't just wait a long time and suddenly find a single chicken egg. How would it possibly mate without another of its kind? bibliomaniac1503:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A pre-chicken bird would still mate with its own kind- it just had a slight mutation that developed over time into our chicken. The genetic materials would be compadable with each other because obviously the evolution is an adaptation for the better so eventually all/most pre-chickens would have it. Randfan17:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pro-egg because the genetic material doesn'tchange from egg to its older form. Therefore the first chicken as we know it would have come from an egg (some pre-chicken bird layed the egg with a mutation in it that later turned into the our chicken). Randfan00:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pro-egg, but the real question is how do you define a chicken? The egg would have come first, but the point at which the egg contains what we call a chicken (instead of, I guess a lizard or dinosaur) would be hard to define.--Kyoko14:40, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
How can you be pro-anything if you don't know why which came first in your mind? For us "eggers" the egg cae from some long dead species of bird or lizard. For the "clux", you'll have to just ask them... Randfan21:11, 23 October 2006 (UTC) P.S. the nicknames could be better....[reply]
Eggs predate chickens. Dinosaurs laid eggs. There were no chickens during the age of dinosaurs (indeed, chickens are descended from egg-laying dinosaurs). Ergo, eggs came first. --Jayron3205:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The egg, silly! Avogadro came much much later. Let's see how many people understand! Rather of an inside joke. --Kyoko14:25, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Have you ever looked at the Periodic table of elements? You'll see that for every element in the detailed version of it, they list its atomic mass. For example, hydrogen (H) has an atomic mass of 1.00794 (let's round that to 1), oxygen has an atomic mass of 15.9994 (let's round that to 16). That means that for water, which is made up of two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom, you have 1 + 1 + 16 = 18 as its molecular mass.
There's this number called Avogadro's number, which is approximately 6.022 x 1023. The 1023 part means that it's 10 multiplied by 10, 23 times, a huge number. This is equivalent to 602200000000000000000. Anyway, somehow scientists figured out that if you get 6.022 x 1023 atoms of an element together, the whole bunch will have a collective mass of whatever their atomic mass is, expressed in grams. This would be one mole of the element. So one mole of hydrogen would have a mass of approximately 1 gram, one mole of oxygen would have a mass of about 16 grams, and so on. This works with chemical compounds too, so one mole of pure water or H2O would have a mass of roughly 18 grams.
Mole Day is an unofficial holiday celebrated by chemists in North America, on October 23, between 6:02 AM and 6:02 PM, making the date 6:02 10/23 in the American style of writing dates. The time and date are derived from Avogadro's number, which is approximately 6.02×1023.
According to the Wikipedia statistics page, there are about 2,576,605 registered users (at the time of writing). By my very rough calculations, 0.03% of registered users are Esperanzians (as there are currently 712 active Esperanzians). I found this to be rather interesting. Any ideas how we could kind of "advertise" Esperanza to other Wikipedians? Thanks, Jam0106:32, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Remember that most of those "users" are probably inactive. One time I did a user domain search for "anthropology" (I was looking for other people interested in starting an anthro wikiproject, which I kinda gave up on, maybe I should restart it). Anyhoo, I looked at dozens of users and only 4 or 5 had made any edits within the preceding 3 months or so, and of those, only one or two were actively editing. Add in the sockpuppets and sleeper accounts and the number of users is probably much smaller. Ungovernable ForceGot something to say?06:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You do have a point there, Ungovernable Force. However, those statistics were calculated based purely on that page, and I'm not really sure if there is a way to accurately calculate the number of "true" Wikipedians. As for "advertising" ideas, I will try and think of a few. Cheers, Jam0107:13, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, most registered accounts are used for a single edit or never used at all - just check out the new user log. I think I remember a statistic that there were only a few thousand active contributors (the group to which esperanza appeals). Keeping that in mind, it is actually very popular, and I feel that it gets plenty of exposure with all the green e's and userboxes. -- ßottesiηi(talk)15:41, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well in any case Esperanza needs more members. How do we get more members? You ask. Recruitment! I loudly state. How do we recruit? I also hear you ask. Well, this is the place for discussion. We can propose some things here and then move them to the Esperanza Talk page or the Esperanza Proposals Page. Ok, so:
I'm inclined to agree with Bottesini; we get a pretty steady influx of members from both the green e's and various userboxes and other information on people's userpages. Though, if this is something that you'd like to be considered, bringing it up at WT:ESP is probably a good idea. -- Natalya20:08, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Just a note, of the members of Wikipedia that actually contribute how much of a percentage of those are in Esperanza? I was under the impression a user account even if blocked, inactive or otherwise is still listed as a registered user. The only way I can figure promoting Esperanza might be to persuade the current members to at least link to the Esperanza page on their user pages or otherwise perhaps to actually promote Esperanza on their user pages. James E. ZavaletaTCE20:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Member Proposals
User: Dfrg.msc Proposes that We hijack the Signpost to spread the Esperanza message.
User: Dfrg.msc Proposes that We create more link to and from Esperanza.
User: Dfrg.msc Proposes that We invite people to join out of the blue, perhaps with templates.
User: Friendly Porpoise Proposes that We propose to the Wikipedia community a sort of "advertising board" page that is not for commercial advertising, but for advertising pages that need attention, ideas that need people to look at them, and Wikipedian organizations that need members.
Holy frack *Dog Barking Noises*
I did it. I basically removed all items from my watch list. I kept a very few select pages and my user subpages, and a few others, but most of them are GONE. I've been feeling sort of burned out lately with WP:Figure Skating and wasn't even paying attention to it, so I've decided to let it be. It has a few active members, so maybe I'll check up on it in a few months. But for now, removing the 100s of figure skating pages I had on my watch list feels like a weight off my shoulders. Now maybe I can actually pay attention to the few pages that remain. Phew. --Fang Ailitalk14:52, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Holy frack indeed. My watchlist had been cut down, and now it's back up to 1581 items. I only pay attention to a small fraction of that, though, and use the rest as handy bookmarks for future reference. --Kyoko15:13, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am also trying to reduce the load of my watchlist so that I may concentrate on select pages only. I found that too many pages were like a load. --Bhadani15:41, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
How many pages on your watchlist do you consider too much? I've got 260 and feel that that is easy to handle; I plan on adding more as I begin to go into the areas of the Warriors series of novels (hopefully one day make a WikiProject Warriors) and the Guardians of Ga'Hoole series. I'll probably end up with upwards of 500, and even that is small. My friend ReyBrujo (you might recognize the name, he's active in lots of other places) has something like 3000. DoomsDay34901:03, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good stuff, Erica! It's one of those put-it-off-until-it's-absolutely-necessary tasks that nobody wants to do, congrats for making yourself do it ;) I thin mine out several times a week and it still manages to get above 400 almost every day. Last week it was at 350, today (after cleaning) it's at 421! I think the main reason is my vandalism reverts -- sometimes 20 at a time, then 20 warnings, which adds 40 pages in one day (not including real edits). I find that when I have too many pages, especially ones that get a lot of edits, my watchlist only shows stuff that was edited in the past few hours. This is annoying when I don't get a chance to get on every day and have to check all the pages manually. — Editor at Large(speak)11:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Which, by their very definition, they cannot be. A generic ring of fruit-flavored cereal cannot compare to a Fruit Loop. A generic pile of oddly shaped marshamallows and some grain cannot magically become Lucky Charms. It's simply impossible. DoomsDay34900:30, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I make my own damn cereal! DIY!. Well, not really, but I might eventually. I try to make some of my own stuff and rely on buying things secondhand or cheap. Oh yeah, stickin it to the capitalist system...or not. Oh, and let's not forget dumpster diving, yay! A lot of my friends are freegan and I'll probably end up doing that when I finally leave the nest and fly on my own. Ungovernable ForceGot something to say?05:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I find most of my stuff -I got two pairs of shoes for $7. One pair was under a bush, I stepped out of my old ones and into them. They were a little damp but other wise the best shoes I've ever had. Dfrg.msc1 . 2 . 310:28, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I prefer lesser known products, given that it is as good as its more well known equal. Because they need me more than the big guy. I feeeeeeelll wuvvved. PhilcTECI20:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am currently looking at two different gadgets: a watch, and an mp3 player. The watch has some cool features, including the ability to store 150 telephone numbers. I don't really need it, but I do need a new watch, and I think this one is cool. The mp3 player is a iPod alternative, that I personally think is better. It has 4 GB of memory (flash), and can also play videos, and has an FM tuner. The watch is a Casio Databank, and the mp3 player is a SanDisk Sansa e260. What do you think about these? Do you have anything you like better? Shardsofmetal[Talk • Contribs]03:48, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ipods are useless, disgusting wastes of memory that are destroying the youth of America (this from a 14 year old natural-born American, but I am a conservative!). Watches, however, are a practical piece of equipment, and despite an abnormally large amount of telephone number stroage, it's useful. But honestly, I hate Ipods. I mean, as if music wasn't occupying enough of our time, now we have nice compact ways to further destroy our brain cells. Amazing what technology can do, eh? DoomsDay34903:58, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Dancer here. I don't have an Ipod, but my friends download their music (classical) for their dances and listen to it to familiarise themselves with the tempo, rhythm, and timing for the steps. I'm jealous... they can tuck it into the pocket of their warmups and it doesn't get in the way. Contrast that to my chunky cdplayer and stack of CDs... — Editor at Large(speak)04:43, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A dancer and a prosecuter? You do it all! But anyway, now that is a practical use of an Ipod, I must say. But like I said, mostly, Ipods are useless. DoomsDay34904:46, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand how iPods work (I don't like that gobbledygook), so I broke my cousin's iPod. It was funny....--SUIT4204:51, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
(Continues)....It was funny... Until my cousin beat me up.... I took one for America.Justice Worm knows what I did.--SUIT4205:01, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, my two great loves are music and politics (which are ususally blended together, as evidenced by my entry on User:Phaedriel/Soundtrack of Wikipedians). Anyways, I'm split on the whole i-pod/mp3 player thing. I'm thinking of saving my money and finally getting one for a few reasons. First, my cd player keeps eating through batteries and mp3 players are rechargable. A cd player is bulky as mentioned above, and deciding which of my dozens of cd's to take with me gets annoying, especially when I'm away from home and have a weird craving for something I didn't bring. Plus, I don't have to waste as much money or oil (cd's are plastic) on purchasing cd's that I would otherwise burn, I can just rip them and put them on the player. I do find it sad that we all create our own isolated atmospheres of music wherever we go instead of interacting with one another, but I usually think about this most when I'm in the middle of doing it. In other words, I'm a hypocrite on that issue. I was even thinking of writing a song on that issue when I finally get into a band. I was recently invited to sing in a folk-punk band but I've got too many other commitments, and it's in the next town over and takes 1 1/2 hours to get there on the bus. Ungovernable ForceGot something to say?05:47, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I bus 1 1/2 hours in and back to my dance company, five to seven times a week -- which is why I want an Ipod! Three hours on the bus after three hours of dancing means I fall asleep more often than not... — Editor at Large(speak)16:28, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
-de-indent- I would use an iPod, as I have a big music collection (~3gb) managed through iTunes, but they're pretty expensive. I would have to be really careful, something I don't have to do with my $40 cd player. ~crazytales56297O rly?16:05, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I do use an iPod (4th generation 40GB), but my music collection is much bigger than its capacity. Let's see... I currently have 42.05 GB on the computer, and that's only about 25% of my music collection.
The highest-tech gadget I have is a big thing: a CD player, tape player, radio, and (here's the strange part) telephone all in one. And maybe my computer—which is getting old… — $PЯINGεrαgђ 19:34, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yay... Coffee! *Dog Barking Noises*
What is your favourite flavour of coffee? When at the coffee shop, I give the same order almost every time, and it's very specific: A decaffinated grande vanilla latté made with sugar-free syrup and nonfat milk. (Sometimes I do venti, vente, or however you spell the largest size.) --Friendly PorpoiseJoin the pod!13:12, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ummm....I just drink plain coffee, black. Voltaire once said that if you can't drink coffee black, you shouldn't drink it at all. All this fancy stuff is just a way to lure the weak into drinking a man's beverage. DoomsDay34915:09, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... Perhaps you're right, but I drink coffee for pleasure, not manliness. (Actually, I may or may not be a man. Perhaps I'm a woman. Or perhaps I'm a porpoise who's not concerned with gender as much as fish. Perhaps I'm a cyborg, a robot, a dolphin pretending to be a porpoise that still doesn't care about gender, a gender-less or gender-confused human, or a gender-less monkey banging on a keyboard.) COFFEE RULES!!! WITH MILK!!! THOUGH I'M NOT A CALF ANYMORE!!! Am I disrupting the lounge? --Friendly PorpoiseJoin the pod!15:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No coffee. Only tea. Or a chai tea latté. Or a green tea latté. Or hot chocolate. Or white hot chocolate. Or mint hot chocolate. Or steamed milk with a flavour shot -- strawberry or maple or caramel or chocolate or vanilla or... When I'm in a rush my order is "Grande chai tea latté extra hot with soy milk and no whipped cream". When I've got time before the bus comes, I try different things (and usually get a tart or cookie... bad for the dancer, good for stress!). — Editor at Large(speak)16:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
All these newfangled things are crazy. What happened to coffee man? You know, I once went into a coffee shop, and asked for a plain coffee, and they had to ask the manager on how to make it?!?!?!?!?! DoomsDay34917:14, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What?! Are you serious? That's funny. I like chai and green tea lattes with soymilk and no whipped cream too! I also like coffee drinks with soymilk as well, and although I can drink coffee black, it really isn't very appealing. I don't care about the "manliness" of a drink, I like a sissy drink that tastes good. And I'm comforatble with that. I don't need a drink to confirm my gender thank you very much, I'm confident enough in my sexuality already. Ungovernable ForceGot something to say?18:09, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Yeah I'm dead serious. They had to use the coffee pot in the employe's lounge (ironic-a coffee pot in the employe's lounge of a coffee shop). DoomsDay34918:40, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
(Off topic) I put the Pirate there (top of page) about two days ago, just to see what would happen, did anyone notice? Why didn't it get canned like all the other stuff? Dfrg.msc1 . 2 . 310:40, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Back to the question: I can drink coffee black, even though I don't like it. The only time I actually buy a cup of coffee is when I'm in Grass Valley, which doesn't have a Starbucks®. I prefer making my own coffee though. — $PЯINGεrαgђ 19:37, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Somebody to take over *Dog Barking Noises*
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I'm not really excited about it, but this is the first year that I've actually lived somewhere where daylight savings is observed. So, to all you Aussies living in NSW, Victoria, Tassy, ACT or SA - yay for DST! riana_dzasta17:21, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't it mean that there is more sunlight in the morning, and less at night? For example, where I live, it is now dark at 6am, but light at 7. But 6am now will be what used to be 7am, so it will be light in the early morning (for about a week, at least). My mom was actually saying that she doesn't like the fact that she will have to drive home from work in the dark. Shardsofmetal[Talk • Contribs]04:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Spring forward, fall back, that's how I remember it. So you should set your clock back one hour, from 3 AM to 2 AM. --Kyoko20:15, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, because I live in Queensland, we don't have to do that, probably because it's sunny here (in Queensland) basically every day, I'm sure we don't want more sunshine. More sunshine = More skin cancers. That's my theory! Jam0121:16, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've just noticed it too: the clock in my home says 2:33, and on DirecTV it reads 1:33! It's the first time I've experienced DST outside my homeland, Dominica. --Slgr@ndson (page - messages - contribs) 06:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Not technically, Yoshi: at midnight the clocks should have gone back to 11:00 so you shouldn't have had to work for another hour. If you were at work for midnight you actually started working at 11:00 and went until 8:00. Looking at it that way, I actually went to sleep at 12:30 last night, not 1:30! But I also had to get up at 9:30 this morning, not 10:30... :( — Editor at Large(speak)15:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The last Sunday in October is the only day in the year where it is 0100 for two hours. Conversely, in spring, it goes from 0159 to 0300. — $PЯINGεrαgђ 19:40, 3 November 2006 (UTC) That would make some awesome mystery fiction![reply]
If anything he was calling vandals pagan, not wikipedia! And no, I'm not dressing up. I have a two-hour rehersal and an hour and a half-long class, and three hours of busing. Oh dear, busing home in the dark on halloween! Maybe I will dress up, as a police officer... — Editor at Large(speak)00:29, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and to Yoshi, nothing's wrong with pagans, really. Well, certain pagans. Hindus and Buddhists are cool with me, but like Satanists, for example, well (I could say a lot of things, but I'll be as civil as possible) are just plain weird. DoomsDay34902:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure those that contribute to the Satanist articles are...and DID YOU CHANGE YOUR SIG AGAIN! BLURGPHL! Just when I though you were done...DoomsDay34902:58, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Don't get me wrong, it looks good, but you change so much...I guess Halloween is an exception...I might even mess with mine (oooOooo!) DoomsDay34903:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Happy Halloween everyone! (I had to do this because I didn't put any halloween theme in my signature, as I depend on my current code because of about 30 attempts, this one was the only one that actually has the green 01 in it without messing up the rest of it! Anyway, I hope you all have a good Halloween! Jam0106:02, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Satan is a Christian concept, therefore Satanism is the anti-form to Christianity. Without one, there is no other. Paganism does not need the existence of another religion for it to exist. Most Pagan religions existed before the onset of Christianity. Also, not beleiving in the Christian God does not make one a Devil worshipper. -サターン・ヨッシーHAPPY HALLOWEEN08:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, so pagan can mean several things 1)Anyone who isn't (insert name of religion here) used as an insult. 2)Any of a number of religions which share common elements that usually include animism and/or polytheism, connectedness to the Earth and it's cycles and, um, probably other stuff I'm forgetting. 3)Um, not sure, I'm sure there are others. Oh, perhaps neo-paganism which is a mixed bag of religious and spiritual ideas which people try to pass off as recreations of older pagan religions. Whether they actually are sorta depends on the situation. Anyways, using definition 2, Christmas and Easter are also derived from pagan holidays. Oh, and as for the first question, the Grim Reaper with a Bush mask made of a picture I just printed off of wikipedia. DIY costume making at it's best. Ungovernable ForceGot something to say?09:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, my paranoia of kittens originated from Uncyclopedia, but has nothing to do with kitten huffing, more like the Human-Kitten War. Check it out, it's very funny. Now, to turn this topic to an entirely different conversation, what are your favorite Uncyclopedia articles? Mine are obviously Kitten and Human-Kitten War. DoomsDay34902:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think my place is haunted. At night, there are some strange noises... Like thumps goin' up and down the steps, and stranges noises in my closet... Maybe I'm being paranoid. Maybe I'm not...--SUIT4206:55, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What was the scariest movie you've ever seen? I just saw the Exorcist, and it wasn't really scary... It was kinda funny Weird, eh?.--SUIT4206:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As I am not a very big editor (what like 150 Mainspace Edits, and most of them aren't really big) I find it funny that in this month alone, I have had more edits than in the last 4 months... could i soon become a major editor, tune in next week.--IAMTHEEGGMANΔdark side17:28, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am about to change my sig. Before I do, however, I would like some feedback on how you guys like it (or dislike it). It currently looks like this: ShardsofmetalTC
. I have the code at {{User:Shardsofmetal/Signature}}. Another thing: I know that you're not supposed to use templates in your signature. Is it okay to subst a template? Thanks in advance for your help, Shardsofmetal[Talk • Contribs]05:08, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
My lamp won't turn on! Can you guys reccomend anything?
6) Drop a pen and wait until someone goes to pick it up, then
scream, "That's Line!"
7) Bring a camera and take pictures of everyone in the elevator.
8)Move your desk into the elevator and whenever anyone gets on,
9) Lay down the twister mat and ask people if they would like to
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Bustin’ makes me feel good!
1891: What arrested him now as of value in life was less its beauty than its pathos. — Thomas Hardy, Tess of the d'Urbervilles,
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What would we kill without krill mr vice president?
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Copy, Gold Leader. S-Foils are Locked in attack position.
Procede to the Death Star's Trench.
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ФдерщгпрбWedege, gimme covin' fire!
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JIMBO WALES FOR THE WHITE HOUSE.
Ach Mein Liben!
Der ist nicht kein Mond! Do you like Huey Lewis and the News?
Frodo? 'Ccourse I knaw Froodo. He's mai seacond cousin, twaice reemouved, on Just took a load of laundry out of the dryer, will wear the whole load at once It's cold outside
It's 7:22, interesting, don't have to leave until 8:10 / got up way too early / am hyper / no coffee / don't drink coffee anyways / have work / don't want to do work / but must do work / oh dear — PumpkinEditor, atLarge! 12:24, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, everybody, let's see who's costume is the best! Entrance is closed (Halloween is over!), but feel free to vote for your favourite! Just keep in mind the judging criteria:
Judging:
By popular vote.
What to look for:
originality
links (funny, interesting pages)
visual appearance (take into consideration fonts that aren't on every computer)
Poll! Put your name (not signature: just *: [[User:USERNAME|USERNAME]] ~~~~~ format) under the sig you are supporting to win. No voting for yourself, as yourself or otherwise!
NOTE: Because of so many awesome entries, I decided to allow 3 votes each. We'll see what happens :-) — PumpkinEditor, atLarge!
The whole spirit of the thing is for people to dress up talk pages and show "WikiSpirit"! If you're not using the sig it's kinda pointless... maybe you can just sign posts here manually, TBC, so we can see it but you're not annoying people with extremely long sigs everywhere. Great entry, but I think you violated the "no more than 4 or 5 lines of code, please" rule :-) — PumpkinEditor, atLarge! 13:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
almost forgot -- About images: It's just for two days, so I don't think anybody will mind. I've seen admins with flags in their signatures so surely nobody will mind a pumpkin or two :-D
Went overboard... decorated my userpage during Tech. Funny thing is, professor is giving me credit towards my course for it ;-)
Wow! Nice userpage...I think I'll dress mine up a wee bit too, I really should revamp it one day and make it all nice like yours...but for now, I'll just switched some colors around. Anyone gonna leave their sig on for an extra few days? I am... DoomsDay349Happy Halloween!21:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
SO yeah, I was doing some history homework while letting my mind run on autopilot, and found that I was writing the entire thing in Wiki-markup. Now, I have never done this sort of thing before so, A)What do I do to stop myself from anoying my teacher by linking immigrants and such?, an B) Has anyone else done something like this? --teh tennismanSpeak your piece!People Person!02:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm assuming that you were typing on the computer? Cause if you were writing by hand, you need a Wikibreak, seriously. But anyway, just proofread all your work (yeah, it's geeky and preachy, but I mean it!) and you'll catch these things. As to whether or not I've done it before, yeah, while working on my novel (yes, he's writing a novel!) I have often found myself attempting to make italics by typing "''" and such and often try to link terms. Weird. DoomsDay349Happy Halloween!03:05, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone here ever wrote a novel? Or in the proccess of writing one? Or something? I'm slowly writing a fantasy novel actually, but Wikipedia is taking all my time up so I'm considering taking like a two-day Wikibreak to write it. I would post the outline here, but if it ever gets published then that is spoilers and no good :). So yeah, anyone ever do that? DoomsDay349Happy Halloween!03:07, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm in the brainstorming and research process of writing a detailed storyline for the Super Smash Bros. series. I've put it on a temporary hold until Brawl comes out so I know what all characters I'll be using. Of course, there will also be characters not in the games and maybe a few of my own creations. -サターン・ヨッシーHAPPY HALLOWEEN10:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Me? I'm currently writing a book about hobos, and I'm promising myself a deadline for November 10th with five chapters completed. I plan to finish this manuscript by next Easter. --Slgr@ndson (page - messages - contribs) 17:23, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
All the good fantasy novels have already been written. I'd posit the golden age of the fantasy novel to be 1985-1995. -- Chris00:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Novels, not really (a few written, never tried to publish them). But other stuff yes. See user page :) Tennisman, good luck in that endeavour. I think what you are attempting is utterly impossible: even those books have obvious similarities to each other...— PumpkinEditor, atLarge! 22:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I may put what I have on my Sandbox page at some point and see what people think; but I have little time to write much due to school, at which I am actually utterly bored. That's the American public school system: The worst you allow is the best you expect. Lame-O to the max.--teh tennismanSpeak your piece!People Person!
Working on an essay: [3]. Just some ideas, and some things that annoy me, about notability debates. Please make comments on the essay's talk page if you have any. --Jayron3205:48, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Is it just me or is the Motto of the Day steadily descending into a pit of anarchy and lawlessness? Anyway, the New Coffee Lounge Picture looks great! Congrads, Bottesini! Dfrg.msc1 . 2 . 305:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Is anyone here planning to do something interesting during the festive (Christmas) season? I'm going to Melbourne for 2 weeks, but that's about all. So, are you going anywhere or doing anything around Christmas time? (yes, I know its a bit early) Jam0106:48, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The Ignore all Rules paradox
Taken from Wikipedia:List of Wikipedian contradictions and paradoxes: If one ignores the rule Wikipedia:Ignore all rules, then he would be following the rule, thus not ignoring all rules. Yet if one follows the rule Wikipedia:Ignore all rules then he would be ignoring the rule, thus he would not longer be ignoring all rules. Any opinions on it?--TBCΦtalk?17:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If the title of the page is "Ignore all rules" then by ignoring the page you're ignoring all rules and by ignoring all rules you're following the rule ignoring all rules which means you're not actually ignoring all rules and in not ignoring all rules you're not following the ignore all rules page. Does that work, or did I just chase my tail? — PumpkinEditor, atLarge! 17:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ignoring does not mean disregarding in the sense that you are to acknowledge the rule and then purposefully disobey it. Ignoring means to act as though the rule does not exist. If the rule does not exist in the first place, then you remove the tautology, and that solves your problem. If you acknowledge the rule as actually existing, then you are NOT ignoring the rule, you are merely disobeying it. If you truly ignore it, there is no conflict; no paradox. --Jayron3203:51, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
To ignore is to refrain from noticing the rule. To disobey is to completey neglect it. Regardless, though one user may no longer acknowledge the existance of the rule, it does not guarantee that all other users will do so as well. Thus, in the end, it all depends on "eye of the beholder", whether the user is the one ignoring the rule or one who simply percieves others ignoring it.--TBCΦtalk?07:06, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Awwwww... How sweet that I have friends who care. Sorry I haven't been on as much. I've been working with no days off for like two weeks now. I'll try to be on more, but my job is wearing me out. Oh, and Ed, stop thinking impure thoughts. Even if I am desireable... -SaturnYoshiTHE VOICES08:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Unnatural languages and such *Dog Barking Noises*
LET US COMMUNICATE USING NEWSPEAK, PIG LATIN, TOKI PONA, PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES, ANIMAL LANGUAGES, WIKI MARKUP, INTERNET SLANG, AND ANY OTHER FORM OF SPEECH THAT DOES NOT OCCUR NATURALLY! WOHOO! lol --Friendly PorpoiseJoin the pod!22:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I may feel generous enough to provide the english translation at a later date. Translate and you will get a cookie! For your convenience, the following important safety information will be broadcast in French.
Veuillez assurer tous les seatbelts sont attachés quand le signe de seatbelt est illuminé. Des sorties sont localisées à l'avant et arrière du salon de café. Des glissières de secours peuvent être détachées pour l'usage comme radeaux de flottaison. Si une décompression soudaine et rapide de pression de carlingue de salon de café se produit, les masques d'oxygène laisseront tomber du compartiment de ci-dessus votre tête. Merci, et nous espérez que vous avez plaisir à voler dans le salon de café sur des lignes aériennes d'Esperanza! - Jam0106:13, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Here is the best attempt my 12-year-gone high school french can do: You want to make sure your seatbelts are attached when the sign of seatbelts is lit. The exits are locally in the after and behind of the coffee house. The ???iceskates??? of ?????? want to be detached for usage as a flotation device. If a sudden decompression and rapid pressure of ???? of the coffee house produces itself, the oxygen masks will tumble from the compartment that is here above your head. Thanks, and we hope you have pleasure on your trip in the coffee house on the airline of Hope. How is that? --Jayron3206:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Close enough. Congratulations Jayron32 you just earned yourself a cookie! I used an online translator, so that's probably why it seems a bit dodgy and confusing. So Jayron, I would say there is nothing wrong with your translation, its probably dictionary.com's translator that is to blame for the confusing safety instructions for the coffee lounge! Jam0109:50, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Cool. My first EVER wikipedia award. I will move it to my User Page if you don't mind!!! My French is probably shaky. Its been 11-12 years since my last French class, and its not like I have cause to use it very often. BTW, has anyone translated my gibberish above? Hint #1: its REALLY English. --Jayron3222:16, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The original French text isn't very good. The translation of it would be:
Please make sure that all seatbelts are fastened when the seatbelt sign is lit. Exits are located at the front and rear of the coffee lounge. The exitemergency chutes can be detached for use as flotation devices. If sudden loss of cabin pressure in the coffee lounge occurs, oxygen masks will fall from the compartment above your head. Thank you, and we hope that you have enjoyed flying in the coffee lounge on Esperanza Airlines!"
Note that my translation isn't entirely literal in order to sound natural in English. --Kyoko 22:44, 3 November 2006 (UTC) (Oops, had "exit" on my mind, now fixed the translation Kyoko00:03, 4 November 2006 (UTC))[reply]
I usually dislike people posting about their edit count achievements, but I thought it was fate when I randomly decided to check my count and it was at 3332. I had to make this my 3333rd edit. Yeah, I've really only averaged a few edits a day for the last several months as I was on wikibreak for a long time and I'm just getting back into everything. 3333! -- ßottesiηi(talk)23:20, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I smell another conspiracy in the coffee lounge! Using the "Biblio Code": "People in the coffee lounge drink coffee. Coffee was discovered in the Middle East. The Middle East has lots of oil. Oil must be extracted from pumps, or derricks. Therefore, the coffee lounge was opened by a guy named 'Derrick." bibliomaniac15Review?03:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
E@L C0D3: People are being crazy random in the coffee lounge. The coffee lounge is part of Esperanza. Esperanza is a nice organisation. Organisations are groups of people. People in Esperanza go to the Coffee Lounge. Therefore, the world is coming to an end! — Editor at Large(speak)03:35, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Alethio Code: The Coffee Lounge does not actually serve coffee. Places that do not serve coffee may serve volleyballs. People who serve volleyballs are playing a sport. People who play sports are moving around. People who move around don't get much of a chance to make friends in the neighborhood. People without friends are isolated. Isolation has odd psychological effects. These effects may make them homicidal. Homicidal people kill other people. People who kill people are punished by law. People who are punished by law go to jail. People who go to jail try to escape. People who try to escape are having trouble with their computers. The Coffe Lounge is on the Internet. Therefore, nobody in the Coffee Lounge is able to access it. AlethiophileAsk me why20:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Result from the 'rαgђ ¢θdε: TBC mentioned the number of the Beast. The number of the Beast is 666. 666 is a palendrome. Palendromes are cool. Cool things are not hot (and should not be unless they are cool to the touch). Hot things burn. You get burned from fire. Fire destroyes. destruction is the fate of the world. TBC IS BRINING ON THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!! 21:28, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
My editor review *Dog Barking Noises*
Hello everybody! I recently filed an editor review and I'm trying to get as much publicity as possible (^_^) in hopes that you guys (and girls) could give me some feedback on my edits and on what I need to do to improve myself. I know some most of you don't know me as much as other members do, but any and all comments would be greatly appreciated. My editor review can be seen here. Thank you for your time and happy editing! // Sasuke-kun2723:42, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm now on editor review, as you can see here. I would really appreciate any constructive feedback that you might have. Thanks in advance! --Kyoko19:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Images at the top *Dog Barking Noises*
Ok, so as it seems to be random image musical chairs up there, I've put them into a gallery. Ok? We can have them on a rotation or something. It's dark outside, and my dog is missing (no, really). Dfrg.msc1 . 2 . 309:45, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I added a pic of my dog to the gallery. (except its a little outdated, he was 2 months old when it was taken, he is now 2 YEARS old!) I hope your dog comes back Dfrg.msc! Perhaps if you tempt it with some Dog food no, make that a steak, she might come back! Jam0110:06, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good news! She returned later on it the night, barking at the front door to be let in. Silly bugger. And after I ran around the block looking for it. We then watched Cars (film). Dfrg.msc1 . 2 . 323:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Help: Need advice on handling a troublesome editor. *Dog Barking Noises*
Ok. So here is the situation. There is a fairly new editor here on Wikipedia. He and I share some of the same interests in articles we edit. I am trying to be helpful in introducing him to the culture and guidelines at Wikipedia; but he doesn't seem to "get it". He takes ownership (WP:OWN type stuff) of articles in a very non-NPOV way. His edits are unreferenced, for the most part; he deletes notable and referenced material from articles if he doesn't "like" it (if for example, he feels it casts the article in a negative light, even if it is well referenced); and he adds material that, while true, is unverifiable and simply personal to him. He is so new, that I was sure he just wasn't aware of how WikiPedia works. So I went to his talk page (several times); gently let him know that I was changing his edits, pointed out relevent WikiPedia policies against the kinds of edits he was making, etc. etc. But he's, you know, being uh, erm, a dick. He acts all pissy in his edit summaries, makes threats against people changing his edits, refuses to read or abide by the policies (I don't know if he read them and ignored them, or is just not reading them), makes thinly veiled insults against me and others on his user talk page, yada yada yada. I am trying to assume good faith, but he's seems so unwilling to learn the ways here at wikipedia. I know him personally somewhat (I have never met him, but we have a connection in that "friend of a friend" sort of way), and I am trying to handle him with kid gloves. On the one hand, I want him to become a good editor; on the other hand he seems reticent to do so. His behaviors are venturing from poor, NPOV editing to outwight personal attacks. I want to avoid edit warring, but I genuinely feel his edits are making the articles in question worse (unreferenced autobiographical additions, non-NPOV deletions of relevent material, and that such) and I don't want to yet bring him to RfC or similar process. What do you all suggest I do to handle this? --Jayron3203:04, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yup. Page-move vandal. Our anti-vandal measures are more robust now than they were two years ago, so people like him are easier to shut down. About a year ago he sent a message to the wiki-en mailing list claiming that he'd given up the habit (it had the "ring of truth" to it, I thought) but he had so many imitators that it's impossible to tell for sure. Antandrus (talk)06:02, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This page is part of Esperanza.
Help yourself...
Yarr!
Pumpkin Editor, at Large! 20:49, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Pumpkin Editor, at Large! 00:18, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
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01:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Put em' here
OMG! It's Improv and his cat!
Hissers know they're cool.
Editor at Large's kitty. 'Aint she adorable?
