User talk:Sannse

Please note, I will usually answer here

For questions relating to the December 2004 Arbitration Committee elections please use User talk:Sannse/Arbitration election

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Archive of discussion with Anon

WikiProject Dog breeds#is

Dear Sannse, please let me know your opinion about ideas from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dog breeds#is: List of dog breeds. Thanks Gangleri 03:26, 2004 Nov 2 (UTC)

Thanks Gangleri, I've replied there :) -- sannse (talk) 20:07, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

adminship

I have been nominated for adminship. Will you take a look and vote whichever way you feel is right? Thanks. [[User:Lachatdelarue|Lachatdelarue (talk)]] 15:57, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

tortoisehell again

Hey Sannse--can you review comments at Talk:Tortoiseshell cat and talk:cat when you have a chance? Thanks Quill 19:53, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Done Quill - thanks for letting me know -- sannse (talk) 20:38, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Dogs are Wikipedians best friends

Thanks for your welcome Sannse! Glad to see that Border collie of yours, I actually "grew up" as shepheard in the urban town of Stockholm in the seventies, until I started with elephants. Passed over some 3 generations of lovely working dogs. Yes, I may need some help, but will post it at the project page, when I can concreticize (difficult word for me as a swede) my questions. I am presently starting on http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_Husky, you cann freely comment in english on the discussion page, if you want to assist me Online. Dan Koehl 12:50, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Yep, that's usually the best place to post - I think everyone involved in the project has that page on their watchlist so you are most likely to catch us there :) -- sannse (talk) 18:59, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I started off with the history of the Borzoi and the Rough Collie, (not mentioning the gardener who bred them for the queen, maybe u know) please check my english. Today was snow in Vienna!! Dan Koehl 00:22, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Good work. Someone got there before me on both though :) -- sannse (talk) 00:15, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

No please correct it, the guy who cleaned my english totally misunderstood. I used the word Fixate not breaking the neck. (Terrible...)

What bozois puppys do, when they play as two against a singe dog of another breed, is that they often end up in a position where the victim cant move, the borzois hold the neck in abt 90 degrees from both sides, and the other dog cant reach anyone, not defend itself, it is sitaution of imobilization, (which made it very easy for the hunter to kill the wolf with a knife) but of course they diont break the neck on the other dog. Sorry for this, but borzoi puppys arent mudreres, they just exhibit an extremely interesting behvaiour handed down in theri DNA from hundreds of years of breeding. Please post me when this is corrected, I wish I would be able to do it myself :) Dan Koehl 12:50, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

User:DragonflySixtyseven fixed the error on the en. Borzoi page. I left a note on your Swedish talk page, as you're more likely to see it there quickly :) -- sannse (talk) 18:12, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Mediation

sannse, Im fine with the confidentiality bit. Its well thought out. I should say I found what seems an error/omission in it, which Ive fixed, see its history to compare versions. I'm writing your email but could be a day to do as Im not round 100% FT2 18:37, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks FT2. That edit was fine, I wrote that before I started using IRC and I didn't know all the possibilites. -- sannse (talk) 18:59, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

thanks

thanks :) -- Foant

Ballarat

Yep. See Talk:Ballarat Tannin 13:42, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Tannin -- sannse (talk) 18:12, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Adam Carr mediation

Hello, thank you for your message alerting me that you have removed my comment from the Mediation page. I would like the mediation committee to see that comment, because I feel it would help them with their decision. There is a broader issue here that they may want to take into account. I feel it is important they should know that editors other than Adam are being swamped by the LaRouche people. Slim 21:20, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

Sannse, I have instead posted my message to the mediation committee on the discussion page of Requests for mediation. I hope this is okay. Slim 21:35, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

replies at User talk:SlimVirgin

I am not declining mediation, though on past experience I see little scope for mediating beween legitimate editors and cultist wreckers like Herschelkrustofsky. Any settlement would have to include his agreement not to edit Australian history or politics articles. Adam 21:59, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I have looked and see nothing new. Adam 00:57, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I have no preference. Adam 01:13, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Adam. I'll get back to you -- sannse (talk) 01:49, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Mediation with CheeseDreams, SIrubenstein and Amgine

Hi sannse, I will have to turn this down unfortunately since I start work on Monday and with that and a four hour journey every day, I'm really not going to be able to do anything as time consuming as mediation for the next 2 weeks. Angela . 05:43, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

ClockworkSoul

I just wanted to drop you a note to let you know that I chose your name suggestion, ClockworkSoul. Thanks for your help!

ClockworkSoul 16:31, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC) (a.k.a. The User Formerly Known As ClockworkTroll).

Endorsements page

Sorry to bother/spam you, but I thought you might be interested in weighing in on the state of the endorsements page on its talk page. --Michael Snow 01:20, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Michael. I'm not going to comment much, but have added a remark -- sannse (talk) 00:42, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Lir

asdsadaLirath Q. Pynnor

The above edit was in response to a request to confirm that the person I was talking to, who claims to have edited under the IP 209.181.211.69, is Lir -- sannse (talk) 23:16, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The arbcom enforcement says that Lir will be banned for a month if he edits under an account not listed on his userpage.

The IP address was not listed as such, and thus the proper block was a month. Snowspinner 23:31, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC)

I think it is a matter of interpretation whether an IP is included in the ruling about accounts. I wouldn't regard an IP as an "unauthorised account". If it's clarified as being the case, then I would support future bans for this. -- sannse (talk) 23:40, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Do you really think it is appropriate to remove my response to Snowspinner's question from his talk page? Lirath Q. Pynnor

Yes, I do. In my opinion it was a purely provocative reply. Of course I won't revert if Snowspinner chooses to replace it. -- sannse (talk) 00:51, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The problem, is that Snowspinner asked me to give him that information; so while you may feel it is a provocative reply, surely you should let Snowspinner decide that for himself. Secondly, how will Snowspinner replace it if he never realizes that you removed it? Lirath Q. Pynnor

I'm sure Snowspinner is fully aware of the message. He would have been notified about your post, and my reversion. I'm sure he would also have seen it on his watchlist. But as you are concerned, I've informed him about the addition of this edit to your parole page. As for it being an answer to his question - either answer truthfully or don't answer at all, this ridiculous answer was pure provocation. -- sannse (talk) 10:59, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

How would he have been notified? You have a strange view of watchlists; I certainly don't look at every page that is on my watchlist. In the future, you should respond on other people's talk pages -- that is what they are for. You should also refrain from deleting information on other people's talk pages. Lirath Q. Pynnor

The edits to his talk page would have triggered the notification banner as always. I will refrain from deleting comments from others talk pages except when there is good reason to do otherwise (as always). I judged this a good reason. And, as it says at the top of this page, I prefer to answer here - I find it easier and more convenient to keep conversations in one place rather than scattered (as do many others with a similar policy). If you are interested in my response, then please look for it here. -- sannse (talk) 15:43, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

If you want people to respond to your comments, you need to leave your comments on their talk page so that they can find them. It doesn't matter that you prefer to respond here -- when you respond here, nobody knwos that you responded here. You have no right to censor other user's talk page. Mind your own business. Lirath Q. Pynnor

Lir, if none of this were my business, I wouldn't have unblocked you in the first place. Having done so I will keep watching to see what the consequences of that decision are and will take action if and when I feel that is the right thing to do.

I see no point in continuing to discuss my habit of replying here - I'll just ask ... if you leave a message on an article talk page, where do you expect the reply? I think all would agree that reply goes with the question. And there is no difficulty in finding that reply. The same is true here. -- sannse (talk) 19:00, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

You've got some real problems. I hope you start thinking about your actions more. Lirath Q. Pynnor

So you whine, bitch, and complain on IRC, sannse helps you out, and this is your response? I am curious, Lir, why do you keep coming back to Wikipedia? There are thousands on places on the Internet where you could be trolling, and probably having a lot more fun at it than here... so why here? func(talk) 02:59, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sannse's job as a sysop was to unban me; I owe him no gratitude, especially not after his subsequent actions. I should never have been banned in the first place, and Sannse hasn't done a thing to address the underlying problems this site has with due process and judicial procedure.

Why do I keep coming back? I am curious how low you people are going to sink. This isn't about having fun, its about watching a bunch of jerks play petty politics with each other. I really hope you people get your shit together and actually make an NPOV encyclopedia your priority; but almost none of you seem to care much about that.

The trolls here are in the cabal, the rest of us just have minority viewpoints which we would like to discuss instead of having to put up with endless personal attacks and unfair rules of conduct that are only enforced in the most hypocritical ways. Lirath Q. Pynnor

No one has a "job" here, sannse reached out to assist you when no one else would. Having a minority view point is not some sort of excuse for being a rude and disruptive person. func(talk) 04:06, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

For the record, I also unbanned Lir in relation to this issue... prior to sannse in fact. :) --Dante Alighieri | Talk 23:19, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

I hadn't seen that there was an earlier unblock and reblock - this makes it even more important for this aspect of the arbitration committee ruling to be clarified -- sannse (talk) 23:55, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Being a sysop is a job, in no way have I been disruptive. If I have been rude, it is only because sannse was rude to me. Lirath Q. Pynnor

Thank you for your support func

Lir - I won't apologise for carrying out the rulings of the arbitration committee if that's what you refer to when you say I was rude to you. But if you feel I was rude in any other way, then I do apologise for that - that was not my intention, and I have tried very hard to keep this polite. By the way, you seem to think that I'm male. I thought I had told you otherwise, but obviously I'm misremembering. So, now you know, I'm female. -- sannse (talk) 12:44, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't know that you responded because I didn't get a "You have messages" link because you were too lazy to respond on my talk page. Why should I care what sex you are, nobody on the wiki cares what sex I am! Don't apoligize to me for being rude, when you pretend you can't imagine what rude things you said or did -- it's rude to pretend to be apologetic. Lirath Q. Pynnor

As far as I know, the only time you have responded to questions on your gender was to Anthere - and then you specified that you preferred the pronoun "she". Since then I have been careful to always follow that preference. I noticed in your latest RfA that you referred to yourself as "he". If that's your preference then I'm happy to follow that instead. -- sannse (talk) 14:38, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for removing Lir's post. Snowspinner 19:25, Nov 21, 2004 (UTC)

No problem Snowspinner -- sannse (talk) 19:54, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Mediation

Sannse - for my money if you feel mediation is unlikely to work, then its an appropriate candidate for arbitration. I dont see a broader consensus doing the job, it needs a decision and direction given. FT2 18:12, Nov 21, 2004 (UTC)

I think at the moment it's not working, but that maybe an alternative format might. I would like to give the other party time to reply to my mail, and then will discuss with you further. Thanks -- sannse (talk) 19:00, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Endorsement

Greetings. You have my endorsement for Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2004, and you have therefore earned the Quadell seal of approval. Feel free to use this image, or not, as you like. (You won't hurt my feelings if you don't.) – Quadell ^{(talk) (help)}[[]] 05:15, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Quadell, I really appreciate that :) -- sannse (talk) 12:44, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Mediation

I am having no contact with LGagnon and I consider this as further harassment on his part. I have followed the advice of the founders and walked away from conflict. I asked him/her repeatedly to do the same, but he/she continued to harass me. I have no interest in mediating with this editor. I will simply stay away from them.Dr Zen 22:38, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

A quick note to say thanks

I just wanted to drop you a quick note to thank you for your support in my request for adminship. It was certainly a wild ride, and I really appreciate you taking some time out to contribute. ClockworkSoul 16:14, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

You are most welcome ClockworkSoul. By the way, I hope you noticed my bragging about naming you on my user page ;) -- sannse (talk) 16:17, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I was looking for a good image to give you - looks like you've beaten me to it! Being creative as usual, I guess! ClockworkSoul 16:23, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

I've "started" the Free the Rambot Articles Project which aims to get users to release all of their contributions to the U.S. state, county, and city articles (if any) under the CC-by-sa 1.0 and 2.0 license (at minimum) or into the public domain if they prefer. A secondary, but equally important, goal is to get those users to release ALL of their edits for ALL articles. I've personally chosen to multi-license all of the rambot and Ram-Man contributions under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike License so that other projects, such as WikiTravel, can use our articles. I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all your contributions (or at minimum those on the geographic articles) so that we can keep most of the articles available under the multi-license. Many users use the {{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}} template (or even {{MultiLicensePD}} for public domain) on their user page, but there are other templates for other options at Template messages/User namespace. If you only prefer using the GFDL, I understand, but I thought I'd at least ask, just in case, since the number of your edits is in the top 100. If you do want to do it, simply just copy and paste one of the above two templates into your user page and it will allow us to track those users who have done it. For example:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain (which many people do or don't like to do, see Wikipedia:Multi-licensing), you could replace {{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}} with {{MultiLicensePD}} -- Ram-Man 23:53, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)

Hi Ram-Man. I've been thinking about this carefully, and for now I am going to stick with the GFDL for all my contributions. Basically my hopes are on an improved version of the GFDL that fits our needs more closely, and I want to hold out for that for a while longer. I'll be happy to reconsider at a later date. -- sannse (talk) 17:24, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

RfM

Sannse, sure go ahead & archive. -- llywrch 02:51, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks llywrch - done -- sannse (talk) 18:24, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

P & G

Sannse, you use secondary resources as the basis for removing my edit to the P&G satanic rumor problem. These resources are based on information obtained from the P&G public relations department. To say the rumors are unfounded is not a statement of fact, and should be eliminated from the article. The moon-and-stars logo began as a crude cross, and that term was in fact used by P&G in an earlier pamphlet on the evolution of the logo. That reference has now been eliminated due to the confrontation between P&G and the Church of Ouzo. The paper entitled "That Infamous Logo" is of more concern to P&G than any rumor it has encountered over the years, but due to the evidence that P&G conspired with the FBI to do an illegal investigation of me, P&G is afraid to even ask me to stop distributing the paper, much less take any legal action against me. As I said in my discussion comments, full documentation on this issue is available upon request. Robert Merlin Evenson/Church of Ouzo [email protected]

Using secondary sources is correct for Wikipdia. Wikipedia is not the place for primary research. Nor is it the place for advocacy or accusations. Regards -- sannse (talk) 18:24, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Baha'u'llah image

Here's the link. But please respect our wishes and don't post it to his bibliography page.

Rick

http://www.bahai-faith.com/Bahaullah.jpg

Hi Rick, you misread the talk page - the request for an image was from User:Foant - I just moved the comment from the article to the talk page :) -- sannse (talk) 00:43, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Bipolar disorder

I was interested to see (in the Protected page policy Talk: page) your mention of the vandalism on your User: page that referred to bipolar disorder. As yet one more person who struggles with bipolar disorder, I just roll my eyes when I run across people like that. Life's too short to bother with losers... Noel (talk) 03:11, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It wasn't very accurate vandalism in this case - I have unipolar depression rather than bipolar disorder. But I really didn't see a need to explain that to my correspondent ;) You are right, I don't intend to spend any more time on that individual. Thanks for your message :) -- sannse (talk) 13:12, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

London WikiMeet

Just a note to say that it was a real pleasure meeting up with you last night. I look forward to another opportunity to meet sometime in the future. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 08:27, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It was great to meet you too Graham :) -- sannse (talk) 21:19, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Abusive behaviour

Could you take a look at this diff [1]

Rienzo has forged a comment he alleges I made about him. I did not make it and it is demonstrably not present in my contributions list. Could you consider some sort of punishment for this please?CheeseDreams 15:25, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Mark Spitz

I totally agree with you and the action you took. I do recall that I once saw an article in a local Puerto Rican newspaper referring to his Puerto Rican ancestary but, it would be great if take the trouble to investigate this claim. I'm very interested in this case, if you do find out anything please let me know in my "talk" page (since I don't know how long you'll take). I would like to fix some links, if Mark doesn't have any P.R. blood. Thanks! Tony the Marine

Hi Tony. I've tried to get a biography from my local library without success. I can't find anything on-line and I'm not sure where else to look at the moment. I'm hoping to get to the library this week sometime, I'll see if I can find a more general book that might help then. If you can find anything in the mean time, that would be great -- sannse (talk) 16:06, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Fish photos

Great photos you uploaded for Cherry barb and White Cloud Mountain minnow! Any chance you have any other fish photos lying around? *hopeful* I don't think I've got the skill to get decent photos myself and no longer can keep an aquarium of my own to practice on... :( —Tkinias 03:25, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hello Tkinias. I've uploaded a Bristlenose Catfish and a Japanese swamp shrimp too. I've also got platys and pygmy corys in my tank - so hopefully will upload some photos of them soon. It takes rather a lot of tries to get a decent photo of them, the little corys have been particularly difficult to get good images of, but Ill give it another go :) -- sannse (talk) 16:06, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The Humungous Image Tagging Project

Hi. You've helped with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiki Syntax, so I thought it worth alerting you to the latest and greatest of Wikipedia fixing project, User:Yann/Untagged Images, which is seeking to put copyright tags on all of the untagged images. There are probably, oh, thirty thousand or so to do (he said, reaching into the air for a large figure). But hey: they're images ... you'll get to see lots of random pretty pictures. That must be better than looking for at at and the the, non? You know you'll love it. best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)

Mediation

Hi Sannse. Robert the Bruce has indicated that he would like to you mediate the dispute between me and him. Are you willing to take it on? Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 11:01, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Mediation kind of fizzling out, but could be called a standoff: swept under rug rather than resolved. --user:Ed Poor (talk) 16:12, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)

George W. Bush page history

The page history seems to be missing now. Any idea where it went? It's not at the dubya redirect either. thanks. Wolfman 00:29, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks so much. No other major problems. A few pointless redirects are still left hanging around. But, I'll track those down and put them on rfd once the main page history problem is solved. Wolfman 00:43, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Vote for Undeletion VfU entry

Dear Sannse
Thank you for adding the entry on Tom Sotis to the Vote for Undeletes page. I deeply appreciate your taking the time. I have been contributing, a little, for some time to Wikipedia but have never yet had the experience of a user hitting me with a copyvio. Said user gave me instructions to add a permission note to the page's talk page, which I did. But the user made NO MENTION whatsoever re: the VfU page that you alerted me to.
I am not trying to post pastry or press release. I seriously believe that the entries I added to the Wiki_knowledge base re: martial arts are valid and of value.
People related to FMA Filipino Martial Arts such as Leo Gaje and Tom Sotis are well respected worldwide. Blatantly deleting these entries without alerting the contributor to the VfD or VfU pages seems more than harsh — irresponsible in fact.
So thank you again.

Keep well User:Mudthang 09:50 (GMT+2)

It's a bit more complicated than that, this is a big place, and Vague does a lot of work on copyright problems. Its easy to miss a message, and I'm sure no ill intent was intended. He did follow the correct procedure. I see you have restored the page - that wasn't strictly the right way to go about getting it restored, but I'm not going to fuss about that. So it's all water under the bridge - let's move on an all that -- sannse (talk) 10:46, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sannse

Sannse, can you drop in on the preterism page again? We have an edit war brewing over "many" versus "some" and could use some guidance.

Dee Dee Warren 15:15, Dec 19, 2004 (UTC)

Hi Dee Dee. I can't look tonight, but will do so tomorrow and see if I can help. Regards -- sannse (talk) 22:56, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Congratulations

Congratulations on your election to the AC -- I wish you the very best, and have great faith in the ability of the new AC to keep this project moving in the right direction. If I can ever be of any help, please let me know. Merry Christmas and best wishes, Jwrosenzweig 22:53, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks James. I very much appreciated your support on the endorsements page, such kind words :) It's a real shame you are leaving the committee - I would have liked working with you. Thanks again for all your support. Best -- sannse (talk) 23:05, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)