Talk:Battle of Tours
Battle of Tours ? It's considered as the Battle of Poitiers in France.
MedievalFreak's version has more detail, but it's written in an essay style, not in encyclopedia style, and has a number of biases that are not consistent with the NPOV policy of Wikipedia. It would be better to review some of the other battles in list of battles (for instance Battle of the Coral Sea or Battle of Midway) to see something closer to what the editors (that's all of us) agree is the appropriate style and content. Also we like to see lots of links connecting to the rest of Wikipedia, so that the reader can easily find out more about terms he/she doesn't know. Stan 19:50 May 8, 2003 (UTC)
- What he said. ;) -- John Owens 19:53 May 8, 2003 (UTC)
- Where can I find MedievalFreaks version? The link brings me to a blank talk page, he seems to have no user contributions.
- TeunSpaans 19:56 May 8, 2003 (UTC)
- You have to click on the time/date, not the username. -- John Owens 19:59 May 8, 2003 (UTC)
- I was refering to MedievalFreak's version has more detail. There is no time in this link.
- Oh, you have to go to the "Page history" link in the sidebar, then do as I said above. -- John Owens 20:59 May 8, 2003 (UTC)
- Yes, I know the history page, and frequently use it. I just didnt realize you refered to that page. (also, I should have consulted it before starting to translate the dutch wiki article :) )TeunSpaans 05:25 May 9, 2003 (UTC)
- I was refering to MedievalFreak's version has more detail. There is no time in this link.
- You have to click on the time/date, not the username. -- John Owens 19:59 May 8, 2003 (UTC)
- Ok ok, I fixed it up. Happy? BTW, you guys are pretty perceptive...I originally wrote this for an assignment at school, and the other ver that I first posted was a research paper on this topic.
- MF, it seems we have been working at the same time. I from my article in the dutch wiki, you from sources unknown to me. I tried to incorporate the good stuff from your article into mine. Please expand and reinsert where i discarded useful stuff. TeunSpaans 20:55 May 8, 2003 (UTC)
Minor quibble right off the bat: should or shouldn't we capitalize "Battle of Tours"/"battle of Tours" and "Arab"/"arab" (and that depending, perhaps, on whether it's used as a substantive/noun or an adjective)? -- John Owens 20:59 May 8, 2003 (UTC)
I worked off of mostly A. De Re Militari and B. Edward Gibbon's famous The history of the decline and fall of the roman empire. You did a pretty good job, better than me I guess (mostly cuz mine was an essay that i wrote for school...keep in mind I'm not even 13 yet) but you gotta capitalize alot of stuff. I'm gonna have to work on a project from school right now, so if you want me to fix up that stuff, it's gonna have to be another time. MedievalFreak 20:59 May 8, 2003
The article getting better! Still needs some copyediting - I see some typos still, plus every name and term should be linked, for instance Edward Gibbon. Not only is it helpful to the reader, but it's a useful check that you're using spellings consistent with the rest of the encyclopedia - check out USS Shangri-La to see something with my preferred density of links. Stylistically, I noticed a use of "your" which doesn't really fit with the objective style that we promote. (Of course, if you can find an example in Encyclopaedia Britannica, I'll withdraw my objection. :-) ). Stan 21:07 May 8, 2003 (UTC)
Stan, I couldn't resist the temptation, walked in from the outside, & made some of the changes you suggested -- although I didn't read thru your comments until after I was done. (I have a weakness for Medieval subjects.) And I'll admit that this article could benefit from even more work. -- llywrch 23:48 May 8, 2003 (UTC)
- Yes, there were too many typos in my work, glad some of them got fixed. The extra links are very useful.
- More work needs to be done:
- list medieval sources about the battle, introduce more quotes from them (medieval Freak had a good one, should be put back)
- list sources we use to write this article.
- add map of battle field
- apply layout of Wikipedia:WikiProject Battles
- older versions have some good info which I somehow left out, it should be put back in.
- MedievalFreak, strange as it may sound, I dont keep in mind the age of other contributors. I try to be polite to everyone, regardless of age. What you wrote looks like a very, very good essay for school, and it's a good idea to post it here. TeunSpaans 05:24 May 9, 2003 (UTC)