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Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion

Please comment: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Religion#interreligious --Striver 05:13, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone here?

I don't see any activity here. In fact, the project itself was started by a Muslim! Is anyone interested in getting things going?

Here. I am a noob, but my fields of study are theology and divinity. Devious Viper 12:06, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My two cents

For the moment, I have one comment. In my experience a good deal of contention has ocurred at Christianity-related pages between people holding one of two points of view: (1) Jesus is Christ and Divine, and the NT is literally and inerrantly true, and (2) Jesus never existed and the NT is a pack of lies. We will always have contributors who espouse these two views. However, there is a third view (or a range of related views) that believes that Jesus existed and that some but not all events in the NT ocurred, but that rejects the divinity of Jesus and any miracles. Currently I think this view is represented, but I have often seen edit-wars in which this view (or, as I said, group of related views) got squeezed out. I just think it is important to represent this view, and to acknowledge that there are other views besides the two extremes I mentioned in the second sentence, ant to actively seek them out.

A related comment. I think that the two extreme views I describe in the second sentence of the paragraph above reflect deeply personal experiences of editors. Indeed, religion-related articles are often articles about which people have knowledge from personal experience. I do not want to deny that. But there has also been a lot of research done on Chritianity and Christian-related topics that is based not on personal experience but on conventional methods of scholarship. We need to draw on that scholarship. this is a simple matter of avoiding original research and finding verifiable sources. BUT I think you (we) will all find that following these policies and seeking out such disinterested, impersonal scholarship, will also help us comply with NPOV A LOT. Just some advice, if I may presume to give advice. Slrubenstein | Talk 00:14, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm game!

I've been meaning to edit our Christian articles for a while now, but have always felt a bit overwhelmed with the seriousness of the subject matter. - Ta bu shi da yu 01:46, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I wish others (like user:Cheesedreams) felt the same... Sam Spade 08:36, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ooo... CheeseDreams... *shudders* Ta bu shi da yu 16:28, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template

This project doesn't seem to be using the template / set up process outlined @ Wikipedia:WikiProject. Cheers, Sam Spade 08:34, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody started the page without any plan to make it active (as best as I can tell, he was actually a Muslim who started the Islam project and decided for the sake of completeness that there should be a Christianity project). So the set up process was already a little out of whack. Other than that, what are your thoughts on the prospects? Would you yourself help? (Counting myself, there are three so far who say they will.) A.J.A. 03:46, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New template...Template:Christian theology...please help! Thanks...KHM03 13:19, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Added Footer and modified Scope

I added the footer. It is in the form of most of the other project footers out there. In doing so, I also modified the scope or goal. I added a statement about neutrality, and a statement about honor for Christ, the head of Christianity. I don't think this is in conflict with basic neutrality. Guðsþegn – U T C E – 19:32, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Collaboration

So far nobody's commented on the collaborative projects I've suggested. Either that means they're so great there's nothing that needs to be changed, or they're so bad there's no point trying to tweak them into something workable and everyone is too polite to point that out. A.J.A. 01:47, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps I missed something, but what particular collaborative projects are you referring to? -- Guðsþegn 05:02, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Number 3 on the To Do list. A.J.A. 05:17, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Should we move the "General" discussion to this page? There seems to be two places to look to see what's going on. Endomion 21:36, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would definetly be intrested in any collaboration. Coffeeboy 20:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bible articles

There are a number of Bible article centralised discussion which have been initiated by User:-Ril- (many repeats of ond wars). Anyone interested in this project might like to contribute. They are at Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/200 verses of Matthew Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Verses of John 20 Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Whole bible chapter text. --Doc ^ask? 18:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay

There seems to have been some interest, so we'll see if actually implimenting the stuff I suggested gets things moving. I've started the destubbification campaign. I gave each category of stubs and initial population of five. Feel free to add more. A.J.A. 19:50, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article Approach

Since there is really alot of debate about the validity of the Bible, how do we approach the articles. Are we to approach them from an assumption that since we are talking about articles of faith that any background being supplied is assumed true for the purposes of the article? For instance if using the Ressurection as a background point, do we just say that?Coffeeboy 20:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bible Version

I recommend that members of the project agree to use the same version of the Bible for consistancy. Coffeeboy 20:35, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If we do go with a common translation, then I recommend the English Standard Version.

Guðsþegn – U T C E – 20:34, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Works for me. Coffeeboy 13:08, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Me too. However, where the translations diverge we should really discuss why that is. - Ta bu shi da yu 16:30, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Calling all mystics!

Please come help out @ mysticism / Talk:Mysticism. Another editor and I have been butting heads over some minor issues, and the article could really use some outside input. Please come lend a hand! Sam Spade 19:08, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just a thought...

One area of the Christian world that is under represented on Wiki is that of World Missions. The fact that we are able to have these discussions is that at some time or other, somebody took the Great Comission seriously enough to go! Though, where we start on this subject is anyones guess.Paulrach 22:05, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Inactivity?

I've noticed that many of our members are quite inactive: might I suggest we take it upon ourselves to begin improving certain books in the bible? There are complete articles (such as Matthew 1) which are quite detailed, while others such as Matthew 25 are incomplete, and need tons of work. Should we take it upon ourselves to improve such matters? --Nomader^Talk 02:42, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have tried to get some stuff done, but I don't see alot of activity in the Project. Coffeeboy 19:22, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try and get some done soon Cakinman 18:11, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would love your help.

I recently started a new wiki over at wikicities which is on the subject of christianity. Christianity Knowledge Base is the site.

The goal is to have a knowledgebase on christianity from a distinctly "C(hristian)POV" rather than the NPOV. This would go far beyond what is allowed on Wikipedia. Unfortunately, for example, there is a limit to how honorably and magnificently the Lord can be represented at WP.

Christianity Knowledge Base is not meant to be a mere Christian Encyclopedia, but to foster a real sense of community. I'd like to include things like current events, news, stories, and anything that would add to both an understanding of Christianity, but also its enjoyment. I'm looking for help to build a resource that could really enrich the lives of Christians.

I know you are busy but I am actively seeking new sysops/admins to help me build this site up, and I would be positively thrilled if you could contribute in any capacity whatsoever. nsandwich 05:51, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

International Churches of Christ

I'd like to suggest that anyone familiar with International Churches of Christ take a look at the article. The church is somewhat controversial and has some very harsh critics and the church itself seems to be a bit of shameless self-promoter. So there are competing strong viewpoints from both sides. The article is a real mess - much irrelevant information, disjointed history section, very non-NPOV statement, few references, and plenty of new anonymous editors trying to insert their point of view. If anyone is willing to wade into the mess, it could really use the assistance of an experienced and/or knowledgable editor. Thanks. Deli nk 14:21, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NTCC

Can someone help review this article? -- Zanimum 13:44, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I Just read the article and I don't know where to start cleaning up! Looks like the article was written by the church member and very brochure-ish. Unless someone write a NPOV of NTCC, I suggest we just delete it.Atticuslai 08:48, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Christian Essense

~~Perhaps a hoax, comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian Essenes~~

Content forking with chapters

Ive started a discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Bible#Content forking and the Bible about whether having articles about John 20, Matthew 27, Luke 23, and Mark 15, as well as articles about the Passion and the Death of Jesus, constitutes content forking, or is otherwise a bad idea.

I was hoping some people might join the discussion there and tell me whether you agree with my stance or not. Clinkophonist 13:55, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Preventing an edit war over the Saints

A while ago, the WikiProject Saints set up an infobox template. The last part of that template included a space for a sample prayer.

Recently, there has been some commentary on the talk page about the inclusion of prayers on the articles about the Saints. Two editors in particular, Attilios and Ian Spackman, have been editing the articles pretty heavily. I think they both have an agenda and are pursuing it despite the consensus of the Wikiproject.

It is my belief that prayers in a literary or historic context are NPOV. I can understand that some may consider the inclusion of a prayer to be hagiographic, but freedom of religion is not freedom from religion.

There is a 3RR about to happen on a number of these articles. I am trying to be philosophical about this, but don’t want to yield the point when what is happening goes against the consensus and borders on vandalism. One editor is an Italian atheist who uses very poor English, didn't understand what are NPOV was and left nasty notes in the edit summaries and in the articles themselves.

"WIKIPEDIA IS NOT THE PLACE FOR PRAYERS. GO IN THE CHURCHES TO LOSE YOUR TIME IF YOU HAVE” [1]
There was an edit was on Philip Neri that accused the U.S. miltary of torture. [2]
One editor said he was editing drunk.

This on the heals of the edit war on John Bosco and homosexuality. How do we reign this in before it gets out control?

Thanks! --evrik 14:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Passover in the Christian tradition

If anyone wants to weigh in on the discussion as to whether a section on Passover in the Christian tradition should be included in Passover may want to check out that article's talk page. Fishhead64 15:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Local churches

Sorry to bother you with this remote subject, but I wasn't able to find a more specific WikiProject. The article Local churches quite clearly is neither honorable nor magnificent. Neither adherents nor critics seem to have anyone available who can write encyclopedic style. Any bold editor available, who has verfiable information and will replace the current article with a short but reasonable one? --Pjacobi 18:38, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Christianity Wikia

A follow up on Nsandwich's message above about the Christianity Knowledge Base at Wikia. The site has recently gone through a fork, and so is undergoing some changes. If there are any wiki editors interested in getting involved with a wiki from a Christian point of view, this is a great time to join. It's hosted by Wikia, the company set up by Jimbo Wales and Angela so it's another good place to contribute. Anyone who would like to join is welcome. -- sannse (talk) 18:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ray Comfort

Someone seems to have added details about one Ray Comfort, and a Way of the Master group, highly prominently into the Open-air preaching article (which I have removed). I severely doubt that these are so prominent in Christianity, and I suspect someone is spamming wikipedia articles to make them appear more significant. Could someone take a look? Clinkophonist 17:24, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Um, I put it there, and I didn't think it was linkspamming. If it was, I would've rathered you came to me directly. I figured that he was becoming much more prominent in the field of OA and street evangelism recently, because of Kirk Cameron and WOTM. What specifically did you find wrong with it? MessengerAtLWU (talk | contribs) 04:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well there is only one picture in that article, it looked to me like it was just being used as an example. Homestarmy 14:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted truncation by User:Jedi Hibbler

I don't understand how User:Jedi Hibbler's truncation of this project was an improvement and so I have reverted to the version prior to his edits.

--Richard 19:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sufjan Stevens assistance

This article has a section, religious themes, that needs the attention of someone with more than average familiarity with Christian concepts in art. The page editors have consensus that the section belongs, but we also agree that it's underdeveloped, and none of us really feels confident about improving it. If anyone could help, it would be appreciated, even if you just drop a citation link into Talk. --Dhartung | Talk 21:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Help develop Scripture Database website

I've been conceptualizing a Scripture Database website for several years now. I've finally gotten around to publishing a rough draft of the site online. It is wiki-based and would make a good compliment to Wikipedia scripture pages. Please use my dedicated talk page to discuss. --J. J. 19:35, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Anglicanism

A new WikiProject focussing on Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion has just been initiated: WikiProject Anglicanism. Our goal is to improve and expand Anglican-reltaed articles. If anyone (Anglican or non-Anglican) is interested, read over the project page and consider signing up. Cheers! Fishhead64 06:15, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Last Temptation of Christ

"Categorized as a Christian Film debate" I would very much deny that this could be called a "Christian film". What do others think. The fact that an author of a work believes something to be the case doesn't actually make it so. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 11:05, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would say that if the author claims it as a Christian film, then there is a good reason to let it be categorized that way. If any Christian groups (say, anything on the List of Christian denominations) do, it should certainly be in the category. Not everyone has the same idea of what is Christian or not. Let the article deal with what the theology of the film is, and why or why not certain groups might see it as Christian. If the category is going to be any good at all, it should lean towards the inclusive side. Sxeptomaniac 22:15, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese in Singapore needs cleanup

This article could really use some attention from someone who knows how to discuss religion in neutral terms, and who has a grasp of Christian practices and modern history. It's currently full of judgemental commentary. A sample:

"Protestants in Singapore consists of Anglican, Methodist, Presbyterian as well as evangelist Baptist. Pentecostals, Charismatics as well as the City Harvest, who are being viewed as unorthodox by many Christians, have made large numbers of converts in the recent years, notably among youths. Other denominations such as Jehovah's Witnesses and Unification Church are being banned by the government as deviationist cults.

Christians are known for their taboos towards other religions among non-Christians. Catholic taboos are more accentuated towards human rights, notably abortion and IVF. Protestants, on the other hand, holds taboos against other religions, notably ancestor worship, worship in all Chinese temples, be it ancestral, Confucian, Buddhist and Taoist. Such practices are deemed as Pagan among Protestants. Catholicism, on the other hand, only prohibited worship of Taoist deities and Buddhism."

~~Anyone want to take this on? Su-Laine Yeo 16:45, 7 July 2006 (UTC)~~ - I've taken a stab at it. Su-Laine Yeo 03:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Bible

There are alot of references to scripture throughout wikipedia and more than one version of the Bible at wikisource. I think it would be a good idea if we could link these references there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elatanatari (talk • contribs) 23:51, Jul 7, 2006 (UTC).

Bible study?

There is no article on bible study. Bible study is just a disambig page, and the closest thing is Devotion (Christian). I have suggested moving that page to Bible study (Christianity) and then overhauling the article. Is this a good idea? Would any members of this project be interested in contributing to a bible study article? Thank you for your consideration.--Andrew c 01:15, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK the move has been done to Bible study (Christian). I welcome and encourage contributors to this project to help expand this article. Good luck, and thanks!--Andrew c 13:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Key articles for Wikipedia 1.0

Hello! We at the Work via WikiProjects team for Wikipedia 1.0 would like you to identify the "key articles" from your project that should be included in a small CD release due to their importance, regardless of quality. We will use that information to assess which articles should be nominated for Version 0.5 and later versions. Hopefully it will help you identify which articles are the most important for the project to work on. As well, please add to the Christianity WikiProject article table any articles of high quality. If you are interested in developing a worklist such as this one for your WikiProject, or having a bot generate a worklist automatically for you, please contact us. Please feel free to post your suggestions right here. Thanks! Walkerma 06:08, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Version Choice

Do you think that at Wikipedia we should run a poll, about bible versions, and find out which version people would most like references to and only use that? Or use many references to many different Bibles throughout our articles? BrentonEccles 07:44, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Many to many. There are more complete resources at wikisource and sites like Wikible.org, not to mention BibleGateway.com. Plus, we'd never agree "which version people would most like"! See also Wikipedia:Bible_verses. --J. J. 03:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Canon law

If someone knows much about Roman Catholic canon law, Patronage#Canon law is a cut-and-paste from the 1911 Catholic Encyclopedia at its over-erudite worst. Legal, because that's now public domain, but could someone with a clue about the topic please attempt to clean this up into something more our style? Thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 06:37, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Restorationism

Needs a lot of work. Arch O. La ^{Grigory Deepdelver} 16:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jerusalem

I added this to the project (surprised it isn't already). At the moment it appears to have a very Jewish Bias (although Jewish and Christian history do overlap), I think it needs adding to from a Christian perspective.

Islamic Barnstar Award

Please offer your opinion, vote, or whatever about your choice for the image to be used with the Islamic Barnstar Award at the Barnstar proposals page. Although there is consensus for the concept of an Islamic Barnstar Award, some editors would like to change the image for the award. I was just thinking you should be aware of this discussion because you have contributed to Islamic-related articles, received the Islamic Barnstar Award, or have contributed to the Islam-related Wikiprojects, etc.--JuanMuslim ^1m 17:14, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You can now add the selected Bible chapter from Portal:Bible to your user page using {{Portal:Bible/Featured chapter/Template}}. Enjoy! BigDT 17:29, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is great, adding to my user page tonight. Thanks to all who made this. --WillMak050389 02:29, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ACIM

I think the article on A Course in Miracles would benefit from more editors with knowledge of Christianity. Plese feel free to help out. Not a dog 13:20, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bible Quotes

Is there a template for putting bible quotes onto pages? (Or a starndard way of presenting them?)

Sorry if this should be under Wikipedia:WikiProject Bible? Zabdiel 20:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is a template for citing the Bible reference called {{Bibleverse}}. See the template talk page and Wikipedia:Citing sources/Bible for lengthy discussions. This template doesn't actually print the verse - it just provides a clickable link that a user can click on. For example, you might have this text in an article:

The book of Genesis says that God made man in His image. Genesis 1:26 (generated from {{bibleverse||Genesis|1:26}})

Optionally, you can cite a particular version:

The book of Genesis says that God made man in His image. Genesis 1:26 (generated from {{bibleverse||Genesis|1:26|KJV}})

Again, this just provides the citation - it doesn't transclude the verse. As far as I know, no such thing exists, nor, for practical reasons, could it. BigDT 01:37, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discipleship

Im cleaning up Disciple (disambiguation) links and many times I stumble upon references to "Discipleship". For example Chronological Bible Storying. It goes on to say "For this reason CBS is often used for evangelization, discipleship, and church planting." As I said, several article reference "discipleship" in same context and I feel dictionary definition at the disambiguation page ("A disciple is a follower and learner of a mentor or other wise figure.") is not enough to explain this fenomenon in modern christianity. Could someone from here create an article on Discipleship because I dont know exactly what they are talking about. Also, if you think that this word might be better replaced with some other I could do that. And if possible something little more than "Discipleship is a process in which one person is taught christian principles and doctrines by the exampleship and teaching of another. See disciple." which is way too small for an article. (This is from Discipleship history). Thanks. Shinhan 21:28, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bishops

Should all bishops be accorded an entry in Wikipedia? I think they are the equivalent of a governor or congressman, and they are all considered notable, even they just get a stub entry. What do you think? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 03:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RCC vs. CC

Talk:Roman Catholic Church - should the article's name be changed to simply "Catholic Church". This debate has been going on for months now, and a vote/comment is underway. There are policy/guideline issues, and disambiguity and POV issues on both sides. Please, if you have the time, take a few minutes to review the past discussions and weigh in. Thanks for your consideration.--Andrew c 16:17, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are other (small, schismatic) Catholic groups, such as Old Catholics and the Polish National Catholic Church, as well asConclavists such as the true Catholic Church and the Palmarian Catholic Church, that are out of communion with Rome. Therefore, I say nay. Arch O. La ^{Grigory Deepdelver} 06:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Christianity Personal Award

Check out Christianity_Personal_Award --JuanMuslim ^1m 23:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to resolve the Catholic/Roman Catholic debate

So far as I can determine, there are at least six archived pages of talk relating to the proper name of the page for the Catholic Church headed by the Pope. It is hard to imagine that this so-far endless discussion has not resulted in bad feelings on all sides. Regretably, no final resolution seems to be likely anytime soon if the same tactics are taken.

I would like to make a proposal which I believe might finally solve the core dispute which has led to this argument. I also note that I myself am in no way qualified to seek to "impose" this possibility on anyone, and am thus requesting that the majority of the rest of you involved in this discussion at least consider lending your support to this way of very likely resolving the current discussion.

As most of you will know, there is currently an election to the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees ongoing. My proposal is that, come the end of this election, a special referendum regarding the name debate be held. Any and all editors who have taken part in the election, but only those individuals, would be eligible to vote to determine how this matter would be decided, including all those who claim no allegiance to any of the opposing sides. The decision reached would not be "final" in any real sense, but would resolve the question which has led to the current debate until some development which alters the current status quo takes place. Exactly how to determine what such developments would qualify could also be one of the issues involved in the vote.

I ask each of you to thoughtfully and, according to your own inclinations, prayerfully consider this proposal, and, if it is one agreeable to you, to help me in finding out exactly how to go about making this happen. (Hey, I'm kinda new here, OK?) Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 21:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Task Forces as Opposed to Ever Increasing number of projects?

I'm not sure how many of you might have noticed, but we currently have the Christianity project here, as well as specific projects for Anglicanism, Catholicism, Charismatic Christianity, Church of the Nazarene, Dictionary of the Catholic Resistance, Eastern Orthodoxy, Jehovah's Witnesses, Jesus, Religious Society of Friends (Quakers), Saints, Seventh-day Adventist Church, and Syriac Christianity, all of which are universally regarded as being Christian. We also have a project for the Latter Day Saint movement. Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Culture#Philosophy and religion for the list. There has also recently been proposed a project on the organization Islesia ni Cristo. Instead of creating new projects to address each individual denomination within Christianity, would any of you be interested in perhaps creating task forces or work groups within WikiProject Christianity to address matters related to a specific denomination? It would end the multiplication of project banners on certain articles, possibly curtail edit wars and probably help more articles improve more quickly. Any thoughts? Badbilltucker 14:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Biblical literalism

The Biblical literalism article needs a lot of work, so I am asking editors of this project if they wouldn't mind contributing. I have butt heads with another editor and feel the page needs a number of fresh perspectives (my personal belief is that this article should be merged with biblical inerrancy, but that proposal was unsucessful). The article has sourcing issues, NPOV issues, unsubstaniated claims, and is written not exactly in encyclopedic prose (among other things). Any help on this article would be appreciated. Thanks for your consideration.--Andrew c 15:33, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-Mormonism

An interesting debate going on at Talk:Anti-Mormon which people might like to look in on. DJ Clayworth 01:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedians, Seminarians and Theologians please help

In the article, Biblical literalism invented terms are being passed as established doctrine with no basis in scholarly refference (or any refference really). This article is being used as prooftext for other articles so it's kinda screwing up discussions on what really are differing doctrines.. I could use a little help from seasoned wikipedians who have some sweet skills. Thanks. Peace. --DjSamwise 01:15, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Give me a few days and I'll see what I can do. --Joe Sewell 16:39, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Imputed Righteousness

I stumbled on to this article this evening. It could use a bit of work. It's a good start, but doesn't represent positions outside of classic Calvinism too well. --CTSWyneken^(talk) 00:36, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

AFD discussion that you may be interested in

Please check out this AFD discussion and express your opinion if you have one. Thanx. --Richard 07:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bible

Need some help here coming to a logical consensus on the article devoted to the Bible. --Home Computer 18:28, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

christianity wiki

I noticed a lot of interest in promoting christianity, in addition to documenting it. Do you think it would make sense to add a link to the project on wikia at http://christianity.wikia.com?

Thanks

Penchina

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New Christianity Template

I have created a new merger template, per the request, to replace both the Christianity and Christian Theology templates. I would appreciate your comments. Please place comments on the template discussion page, so others can read them. Thanks. GUÐSÞEGN – U T E X – 05:27, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

End times

End times is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy (Talk) 16:23, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template needed

I keep coming across pages that are written from the perspective of a single denomination or tradition. An example is altar candle, which is essentially a somewhat tidied version of the Catholic Encyclopedia article. Altar candles are of course used by many different groups.

We need a template to tag and categorize these articles, similar to {{globalize}}. Unlike the latter I think we can live with one template which says something like

This article or section needs to be expanded to reflect other Christian traditions.

or maybe

This article or section seems to be written from a (parameter) perspective, and needs to be expanded to reflect other Christian traditions.

It would put those articles into a single category, say, "Category:Articles needing expansion for multiple Christian traditions" (which I agree is a lousy name-- please someone come up with something more succinct!).

Discussion? Mangoe 13:43, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Revised Standard Version

Hi everyone. I've taken the Revised Standard Version to Featured article review, which means it may lose Featured status if it is not brought up to standard. It can be found here. There's a lot of work to be done on it, but I'm hoping there will be interested editors. Marskell 11:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

religioustolerance dot org

I came across over 700 links to this organization, Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance. The site has a ton of ads but on the other hand, it has content (and a Wikipedia article).

Normally, such an ad-intensive site with so many links gets attention at WikiProject Spam for further investigation. Even if it's not spam, many links may often get deleted as not meeting the external links guideline. I've left a note at WikiProject Spam asking others to look at some of these and see what they think.

Even some non-profit organizations will add dozens of links to Wikipedia since links in Wikipedia are heavily weighted in Google's page ranking systems. (If interested, see the article on Spamdexing for more on this).

You can see all the links by going to this this "Search web links" page. I encourage you to look at Wikipedia's external links guideline then look at the links in the articles you normally watch. Also, if you don't mind, please also weigh in at WikiProject Spam with your opinions. If you see links to pages that you don't think add additional value beyond the content already in an article, feel free to delete them, but please don't go mindlessly deleting dozens of links. (Per WP:EL, links that don't add additional value should be deleted but that doesn't necessarily mean they're "spam").

Thanks for your help and for providing some second opinions. --A. B. 17:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

POV in the Wikiproject Christianity statement of purpose

The statement of purpose for this Wikiproject reads:

The goal of WikiProject Christianity is to improve the quality and quantity of information about Christianity available on Wikipedia. WP Christianity as a group does not prefer any particular tradition or denominination of Christianity, but prefers that all major contemporary Christian traditions are fairly and accurately represented. Moreover, WP Christianity desires that the Lord Jesus Christ is represented honorably and magnificently.

This statement seems problematic to me. It expresses that the group does not discriminate in its efforts between different traditions or denominations within Christianity, but it does not state that the group will not discriminate in favor of Christianity in general. Indeed, the final sentence betrays a creedal POV in favor of representing Jesus in a certain light. And if someone does not recognize Jesus as Lord, are they not welcome to join Wikiproject Christianity? The final sentence certainly implies this quite strongly.

Finally, why limit yourselves to major contemporary Christian traditions? Do minority traditions, or historical but extinct traditions not deserve to be fairly and accurately represented, and to have the quality and quantity of their information improved? Nick Graves 15:06, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I stronly agree. But for one, most (if not all) Christian religions believe Jesus is still alive in spirit, and (in my view) should be put under the same treatment of WP:LIVING. I see in the statement how it prefers "major contemporary" religions. Goal 11 of the project is that minor, non-mainstream Christian religions such as Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormonism and Iglesia ni Cristo to name a few should have more particular care that most others, because those subjects are (wrongfully) targeted to being called a cult/sect, etc. I suggest changing the statement to the following:

The goal of WikiProject Christianity is to improve the quality and quantity of information about Christianity available on Wikipedia. WP Christianity as a group does not prefer any particular tradition or denominination of Christianity, but prefers that all Christian beliefs and traditions are fairly and accurately represented.

--LBMixPro ^<Sp ^e ^ak|^o ^n|it!> 19:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, I'd just like to notify people that this issue has come up at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)‎ under the section regarding NPOV issues and Wikiprojects. Second of all, I have to strongly agree with Nick. The stated purpose of the Wikiproject does violate Wikipedia NPOV issues and needs to be changed. It currently is exclusive as it implies that those who are not Christians are not welcome to participate. Finally, in reply to Lbmixpro; Wikipedia is objective and therefore typically takes on things in a secular manner. My point is that WP:Living can't be applied to Jesus because it would constitute an endorsement of Christianity over other religions, in fact I assume many Christians would disagree with it as well. --The Way 10:07, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not coming across any such large scale (systematic or systemic would certainly be the wrong word here) problem. I find articles here and there which are problematic; for instance, for a long time the article on episcopal polity was written entirely from a Roman Catholic view. But these are best treated as the come along, because they are going to have to be so treated no matter what highfalutin principles we put out there. Trying to write those principles is just something time wasting to fight over, and then something to waste more time over when the wikilawyers try to invoke them as a basis.

I struck the last line already because it is obviously unwelcome in an encyclopedia. Mangoe 11:50, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What a coincidence. I just stumbled across someone's userpage which had the bit about 'portraying Jesus honourably and magnificently', and decided to come here to complain only to find that it has recently been brought up by others, as well!

Does WikiProject Christianity encourage a biased POV, then? Because if its statement of purpose assumes that Jesus is the Christ (which hence rules out non-Christian contributors), it certainly doesn't seem to be. And, more worrying, is the desire to portrary Jesus in a certain way ('magnificently'). This seems to be encouraging a type of bias: Jesus should be portrayed neutrally, not 'magnificently'. I couldn't, surely, start a 'WikiProject Hitler' to ensure that Hitler is portrayed 'magnificently', could I? So explain the difference. The Crying Orc 06:24, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just read the above discussion properly. Applying WP:LIVING to Jesus is one of the silliest things I have heard. It requires an institutional endorsement of Christian beliefs...or else every religion (or other similar type of belief) can surely claim WP:LIVING to 'protect' its idols from the truth, which would then severely compromise the quality of religious articles. No, all religious articles should be written in NPOV with reliable, verifiable references: it's that simple, I think. The Crying Orc 06:28, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What it means is that someone took it upon themselves to stick the line in. It's gone now and that could be the end of it. Mangoe 11:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thou. Shalt. Not. Lie. The Crying Orc 12:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it actually says "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." Mangoe 13:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the goal statement to ...

The goal of WikiProject Christianity is to improve the quality and quantity of information about Christianity available on Wikipedia. WP Christianity as a group does not prefer any particular tradition or denominination of Christianity, but prefers that all Christian traditions are fairly and accurately represented, without minor or defunct traditions being given undue weight in general topic articles.

... to regain the purpose behind the former "major contemporary traditions" language. GUÐSÞEGN – U T E X – 04:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Christianity template

There is currently a vote getting underway regarding some aspects of the template. You are invited to weigh in. GUÐSÞEGN – U T E X – 17:01, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Christian group structuring

Mentioning it here because it'll get read more than the category talk page... This category is currently abit confusing about what it's intended purpose is. It currently seems to cover, among other things, types of local congregations, organizations of such within denominations, some denominations, and groupings of denomations. It also includes some titles of religious leaders, and a few religious movements. It also doesn't include many things one might expect (e.g. Category:Christian denominations). I'm not sure what a good scope for it is, or a good way to divide it, but regardless it should be clearer in intended purpose and application. Mairi 02:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation to help with the Threshing-board article

The Spanish Translation of the Week project is translating an article on threshing-boards (the Spanish version of which is a featured article) into English. You are all invited to read and revise the section dealing with threshing boards in the Bible (or any other section). The section has been translated into English, but the English is rather confusing. The translation process has probably introduced errors that will be obvious to people familiar with the Bible. Your assistance will be very much appreciated. It's actually a very interesting article, despite the unusual topic.Fagles 23:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Conversion to Christianity

Please see the message I, and another contributor, have left on the Conversion to Christianity talk page, which needs cleanup. Thanks! Bhaveer 20:05, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Interdenominationalism

I have put a proposed merger on this into Ecumenism. They are not the same of course but Wikipedia is not a dictionary and I am not sure that Interdenominationalism really exists as a phenomenon, and some of it is probably better merged than deleted? Very happy to hear other views on this --BozMo talk 10:40, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]