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Arbitrators should vote for or against each point or abstain.

  • Only items that receive a majority aye vote will be enacted.
  • Items that receive a majority nay vote will be formally rejected.
  • Items that do not receive a majority aye or nay vote will be open to possible amendment by any Arbitrator if he so chooses. After the amendment process is complete, the item will be voted on one last time.
  • Items that receive a majority abstentions will need to go through an amendment process and be re-voted on once.

Conditional votes for or against and abstentions should be explained by the Arbitrator in parenthesis after his/her time-stamped signature. For example, an Arbitrator can state that he/she would only favor a particular remedy based on whether or not another remedy/remedies were enacted.

On this case, 2 arbitrators are recused and one is inactive, so 5 votes are a majority.

Proposed temporary injunctions

Revert limitation

Enacted 1) Pending resolution of this matter, Everyking is limited to one revert (partial or complete) per article per twenty-four hour period for the duration of this case. Should this be violated, Everyking may be blocked for up to 24 hours.

Aye:
  1. Grunt 🇪🇺 01:31, 2005 Jan 17 (UTC)
  2. Fred Bauder 13:05, Jan 17, 2005 (UTC)
  3. Neutralitytalk 00:38, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)
  4. David Gerard 00:57, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC) Though I'd phrase it more strongly - see below.
  5. mav 23:10, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC) (see my comments below)
  6. Delirium 00:42, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
  7. ➥the Epopt 06:26, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
Abstain:

Enacted 2) Pending resolution of this matter, Everyking is restricted to one edit of any sort per twenty-four hour period on any article relating to Ashlee Simpson or containing material relating to Ashlee Simpson. Should this be violated, Everyking may be blocked for up to 24 hours. Should he use the admin rollback feature to edit such articles while blocked, he may be de-adminned for the duration of the case.

Aye:
  1. David Gerard 00:57, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  2. Grunt 🇪🇺 01:52, 2005 Jan 19 (UTC)
  3. Fred Bauder 02:12, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)
  4. Neutralitytalk 02:58, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)
  5. mav 23:10, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC) (Second choice: after reading the Statement of complaint, the RfC on Everyking, and seeing the edit history of Ashlee Simpson I do not think that anything less than a ban on editing this article will do. But I'm still voting here just in case item 3 does not pass.)
  6. Delirium 00:42, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC) (2nd choice; same reasons as mav.)
  7. ➥the Epopt 06:26, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
Abstain:

3) Pending resolution of this matter, Everyking is banned from editing Ashlee Simpson and any article relating to Ashlee Simpson or containing material relating to Ashlee Simpson. Should this be violated, Everyking may be blocked for up to 24 hours. Should he use the admin rollback feature to edit such articles while blocked or otherwise use his admin user rights to evade a block, he may be de-adminned for the duration of the case.

Aye:
  1. mav 23:10, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC) (Everyking's edit history at Ashlee Simpson shows a pattern of just a few edits per day that restore disputed content. So I do not think that an edit limit will work here - an edit ban is therefore in order.)
  2. Delirium 00:42, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC) (Agree with mav.)
    David Gerard 00:51, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC) Second choice, but not excessive in the circumstances.
    Neutralitytalk 00:53, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
  3. ➥the Epopt 06:26, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  4. Fred Bauder 14:58, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
  1. No; the above require enough consideration of edits that this is unnecessary. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 02:33, 2005 Jan 20 (UTC)
  2. Actually, having chatted to Everyking about this (user talk:David Gerard), I think one edit a day should be enough - David Gerard 08:34, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  3. Ditto David. Neutralitytalk 16:13, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)
Abstain:

Proposed principles

proposed wording to be modified by Arbitrators and then voted on

Ownership of articles

1) No individual or selected group of people is entitled the right to control the content of an article. (See Wikipedia:Ownership of articles.)

Aye:
  1. Grunt 🇪🇺 19:31, 2005 Jan 18 (UTC)
  2. Fred Bauder 02:12, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)
  3. Neutralitytalk 02:59, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)
  4. David Gerard 08:25, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  5. ➥the Epopt 06:26, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  6. mav 07:12, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  7. →Raul654 19:08, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
Abstain:

Consensus

2) Editors of Wikipedia are expected to abide by consensus when making edits.

Aye:
Grunt 🇪🇺 19:31, 2005 Jan 18 (UTC)
  1. Neutralitytalk 02:58, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)
  2. mav 07:12, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  3. →Raul654 19:08, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
  1. No such policy Wikipedia:Consensus Fred Bauder 02:12, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)
  2. David Gerard 08:25, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC) Um hmmm, it isn't a policy actually. They are expected to convince, though.
  3. Delirium 00:42, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC) (Although there is a strong bias in favor of doing so.)
  4. ➥the Epopt 06:26, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  5. I still believe there is a valid policy in there somewhere, but this is not the way to go about wording it. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 15:09, 2005 Jan 20 (UTC)
Abstain:

Status of administrators

3) Administrators of Wikipedia are trusted members of the community and are expected to follow Wikipedia policies. (See Wikipedia:Administrators.)

Aye:
  1. Grunt 🇪🇺 19:31, 2005 Jan 18 (UTC)
  2. Fred Bauder 02:12, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)
  3. Neutralitytalk 02:57, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)
  4. David Gerard 08:25, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  5. Delirium 00:42, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
  6. ➥the Epopt 06:26, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  7. mav 07:12, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  8. →Raul654 19:08, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
Abstain:

Proposed findings of fact

proposed wording to be modified by Arbitrators and then voted on

Template

1) {text of proposed finding of fact}

Aye:
Nay:
Abstain:

Everyking is a Wikipedia administrator

1) Everyking is a Wikipedia administrator.

Aye:
  1. Fred Bauder 12:44, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)
  2. Readily apparent; not sure why this needs to be voted on. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 19:26, 2005 Jan 18 (UTC)
  3. Neutralitytalk 02:56, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)
  4. David Gerard 08:25, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  5. Delirium 00:42, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
  6. ➥the Epopt 06:26, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  7. mav 07:17, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC) (I don't see the point in this FoF though)
  8. →Raul654 19:08, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC) - agree with Mav - seems pointless
Nay:
Abstain:

Everyking's liberal view of the three-revert rule

2) Everyking has interpreted the three-revert rule in a liberal way and has aggressively engaged in editing which has resulted in his being blocked for violation of it [1].

Aye:
  1. Fred Bauder 12:44, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)
  2. Grunt 🇪🇺 19:26, 2005 Jan 18 (UTC)
  3. Neutralitytalk 02:56, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)
  4. David Gerard 08:25, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  5. Delirium 00:42, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
  6. ➥the Epopt 06:26, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  7. mav 07:17, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  8. →Raul654 19:08, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
Abstain:

Rollback feature

3) Blocked for 24 hours for violations of the 3 revert rule, Everyking continued to use the rollback feature to revert vandalism available to him as a Wikipedia administrator [2].

Aye:
  1. Fred Bauder 12:22, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)
  2. Grunt 🇪🇺 19:26, 2005 Jan 18 (UTC)
  3. Neutralitytalk 02:55, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)
  4. David Gerard 08:25, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC) Though it's not clear whether this is actually a violation of admin powers - the devs regard the ability to roll back while blocked as a feature, not a bug. He hasn't so far used it on the articles in dispute, though, as far as I'm aware.
  5. Delirium 00:42, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
  6. ➥the Epopt 06:26, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  7. mav 07:17, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC) (echo David)
  8. →Raul654 19:08, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
Abstain:

Interest in Ashlee Simpson

4) Everyking has an apparent interest in Ashlee Simpson and the details of her life and work and has extensively edited articles which relate to her.

Aye:
  1. Fred Bauder 13:03, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)
  2. Grunt 🇪🇺 19:26, 2005 Jan 18 (UTC)
  3. Neutralitytalk 02:55, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)
  4. David Gerard 08:25, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  5. Delirium 00:42, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
  6. ➥the Epopt 06:26, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  7. mav 07:17, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC) (I added 'apparent' since none of us can look into his head)
  8. →Raul654 19:08, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
Abstain:

Edit warring with respect to Ashlee Simpson

5) Everyking's edits to articles which relate to Ashlee Simpson sometimes carry the level of detail in the articles to a degree which other Wikipedia editors find inappropriate. Everyking has aggressively defended his edits and engaged in edit warring with respect to them, see, for example: this reversion to Autobiography (Ashlee Simpson album) made with the comment: "what on earth are you people thinking? i'll revert you till doomsday, i recorded that data week by week as it happened".

Aye:
  1. Fred Bauder 13:03, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)
  2. Grunt 🇪🇺 19:26, 2005 Jan 18 (UTC)
  3. Neutralitytalk 02:55, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)
  4. David Gerard 08:25, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC) It's not the detail - detail is good, m:Wiki is not paper - but it's the aggression
  5. Delirium 00:42, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
  6. ➥the Epopt 06:26, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  7. mav 07:17, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  8. →Raul654 19:08, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
Abstain:

Everyking's good conduct

6) Everyking, outside of edits concerning Ashlee Simpson, is generally considered by the community to be an excellent editor.

Aye:
  1. Grunt 🇪🇺 19:26, 2005 Jan 18 (UTC)
  2. An extremely good editor. Neutralitytalk 02:55, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)
  3. David Gerard 08:25, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  4. Delirium 00:42, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
  5. ➥the Epopt 06:26, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  6. mav 07:17, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC) (most definitely)
  7. →Raul654 19:08, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
Abstain:

Proposed decision

Remedies

proposed wording to be modified by Arbitrators and then voted on

Reapplication for adminship

1) Everyking is required to reapply for adminship per procedures on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. Should the reapplication not succeed, Everyking shall have his administrative priviledges removed.

Aye:
  1. Grunt 🇪🇺 01:56, 2005 Jan 19 (UTC)
Nay:
  1. Neutralitytalk 02:51, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)
  2. Delirium 00:42, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC) (Don't see misuse of admin privileges besides the rollback, which is addressed below.)
  3. ➥the Epopt 06:26, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  4. →Raul654 19:08, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC) - overkill
  5. No finding of fact supports this, his rollbacks while blocked are a trivial offense. Fred Bauder 17:57, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)
Abstain:

Revert limitation

2) Everyking is limited to one revert, partial or full, per twenty-four hour period on articles relating to Ashlee Simpson, with penalties as per the Wikipedia:Three revert rule.

Aye:
Grunt 🇪🇺 01:56, 2005 Jan 19 (UTC) Prefer revert limitation. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 02:08, 2005 Jan 20 (UTC)
  1. Neutralitytalk 02:51, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)
  2. David Gerard 08:25, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC) I'll agree to this, but see 2.1 for a more weaseling-proof version.
  3. Delirium 00:42, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
  4. ➥the Epopt 06:26, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  5. →Raul654 19:08, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC) - David makes a valid point. Given Everyking's gaming the system when it comes to reverts, I accept that admins may be liberal in their interpretation of what constitutes a revert. →Raul654 19:08, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
  1. The game needs to stop completely Fred Bauder 18:01, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)
    We can still benefit from Everyking's knowledge of the subject as long as the fanatical edit war mentality is kept under control. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 18:06, 2005 Jan 21 (UTC)
Abstain:
  1. Prefer the weasel-proof version 2.1. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 01:00, 2005 Jan 20 (UTC) Going to go with 2.2 below. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 02:50, 2005 Jan 23 (UTC)

2.1) Everyking is limited to one edit of any sort per twenty-four hour period on articles relating to Ashlee Simpson or containing material on Ashlee Simpson, with penalties as per the Wikipedia:Three revert rule.

Aye:
  1. David Gerard 08:25, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  2. Delirium 00:42, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
    Grunt 🇪🇺 01:00, 2005 Jan 20 (UTC)
Nay:
  1. Neutralitytalk 01:20, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
  2. Prefer revert limitation. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 02:08, 2005 Jan 20 (UTC)
  3. ➥the Epopt 06:26, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  4. The game needs to stop completely Fred Bauder 18:01, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)
Abstain:

2.2) Everyking is prohibited from reverting articles relating to Ashlee Simpson except in cases of clear and obvious vandalism (as per definition at Wikipedia:Vandalism), with penalties as per the Wikipedia:Three revert rule. What constitutes a revert shall be left up to adminstrators' discretion.

Aye:
  1. Grunt 🇪🇺 02:45, 2005 Jan 23 (UTC)
  2. →Raul654 02:55, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)
  3. Neutralitytalk 05:25, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)
  4. David Gerard 00:04, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC) I've added the words "as per definition at Wikipedia:Vandalism" for absolute clarity on this point
Nay:
  1. The game needs to stop completely Fred Bauder 23:15, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)
Abstain:

2.3) Everyking is prohibited from editing articles relating to Ashlee Simpson for one year.

Aye:
  1. Fred Bauder 23:15, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
  1. No. There's valuable contributions in there, somewhere. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 23:54, 2005 Jan 23 (UTC)
Abstain:
  1. I'm not sure about this one. Being prohibited from anything that's a revert at all and using the talk pages to convince others should be sufficient - David Gerard 00:04, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Lifting the revert parole

3) In six months, if Everyking can demonstrate good behavior on Ashlee Simpson related articles, he may apply to the arbitration committee to have the revert parole(s) lifted.

Aye:
  1. →Raul654 03:03, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)
  2. Neutralitytalk 05:25, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)
  3. Grunt 🇪🇺 15:35, 2005 Jan 23 (UTC)
  4. David Gerard 00:04, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
Abstain:

Enforcement

proposed wording to be modified by Arbitrators and then voted on

Template

1) {text of proposed enforcement}

Aye:
Nay:
Abstain:

Discussion by Arbitrators

General

Motion to close

Four Aye votes needed to close case

# Everything likely to pass has passed; I also feel we have reached the heart of the problem with the revert limitation above (Remedy 2). -- Grunt 🇪🇺 15:14, 2005 Jan 20 (UTC) Significant opposition has arisen to this motion. I am withdrawing it. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 17:48, 2005 Jan 20 (UTC)
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