User talk:Dante Alighieri

Archived talk: Clovis et al.

Hello there Dante, welcome to the 'pedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you ever need editing help visit Wikipedia:How does one edit a page and experiment at Wikipedia:Sandbox. If you need pointers on how we title pages visit Wikipedia:Naming conventions or how to format them visit our manual of style. If you have any other questions about the project then check out Wikipedia:Help or add a question to the Village pump. Cheers! --maveric149

thanks for the note about hurdling, I missed it in all the noise about the pi digits. -- Tarquin

No problem! I'm just trying to be a good wikipedia-citizen... wikipezen... wikipedian... wikicitizen... oh heck with it... --Dante Alighieri

Way to go, on the alphabet! Now this place is starting to look like an encyclopedia!! --Ed Poor

Thanks! It's nice to feel appreciated. :) --Dante Alighieri

I should have mentioned that feature requests should go to SourceForge. The developers don't read Wikipedia:Feature requests] anymore. --mav 03:08 Nov 26, 2002 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm on it. --Dante Alighieri

Dante, I started to upload some alphabet graphics. I have the whole alphabet done in Helvetica 55 Roman 48 pt (textbook sans-serif font) and in Times LT 48 pt. They are anti-aliased against a white background. I think having both a serif and sans-serif font is helpful for letters like "L" where the lowercase L could look like a capital I, etc. Would you take a look at them, they are named Latin_alphabet_Aa.png, Latin_alphabet_Bb.png, Latin_alphabet_Cc.png etc. If you like them leave a note here or on my talk page and I'll upload the rest. --Nate

Check your talk page. --Dante Alighieri

Dante, I thought you might enjoy this "review" of Harry Potter by "God's Favorite Christian": [1] -- Someone else 20:12 Dec 4, 2002 (UTC)

That's hilarious! Someone has QUITE the sense of humor. :) --Dante Alighieri 21:54 Dec 4, 2002 (UTC)

Please forgive me for bowdlerizing your comment:

Or, better yet, go to their house and kill all of their pets? ;)

It just didn't seem like the right place for that kind of joke. You don't really mind, do you? --Ed Poor

Well, the link wasn't to a person, it was to an article on singular they, but fine, if the humor was in SUCH bad taste...

Not the link, the pet thing... --Uncle Ed

Yeah, no I get that you didn't like the pet thing... I suppose it wasn't as funny to you as I thought it was. I thought it was clear that it was tongue-in-cheek. Hence the winking smiley.

Yeah, I get the winking smiley... I just didn't want to see Mav's experiment messed up. He's cleaning up after this newbie, instead of taking the easy way out and simply banning them. I hope it works. --Uncle Ed

Well, you have more faith in humanity than I do... if you look at the nature of the vandalism I think you'll agree that the odds of this person becoming a productive memeber of the wiki are approximately nil.

Ah, but many others are watching, lurking in the shadows. People judge you by the way you treat others. --Uncle Ed

Call me old-fashioned, I like to fight fire with fire, "vandalize and ye shall BE vandalized!"... But, then again, catch me on a different day and I'll probably be making YOUR argument... sigh... ;) --Dante Alighieri 23:17 Dec 5, 2002 (UTC)

You gotta take the long-term view. We're trying to do two things at once:

protect the wiki
attract new talent

If we allow too much vandalism and too many violations of NPOV, then old hands want to leave. If we jump on people too quick, they don't learn. Or they come back with bigger guns or *shudder* in greater numbers. It's hard to find a balance. --Uncle Ed

I have no idea why we keep writing on this subject since we obviously don't need to. We must have too much time on our hands. ;) That being said... sure, balance is great, but who's to say that kidnapping (not killing) vandals pets and holding them hostage until they make reparations isn't balanced? ;) --Dante Alighieri 23:25 Dec 5, 2002 (UTC)

I don't like being in edit wars. So if I can't persuade, I generally let others do as they like. If I'm wrong, that's only fitting. If I'm right, someone else will come along and make the change anyway! It's only an article... --Uncle Ed

Well, it's not that I care, it's just that, well, I'm bored. ;) I clearly have nothing better to do than sit here and pick nits. Although I must say that I do spend a fair amount of time copyediting and writing extremely important articles like the one on candy corn. :) --Dante Alighieri 00:52 Dec 6, 2002 (UTC)

There really is a book called Changing Colours. A quick search at Google comes up with these results, and the book is the first hit! Um, would you please be more careful? --Uncle Ed

The "style" in which it was written confused me. :) I had just had to revert some very similar vandalism so I was a bit quick on the censor button. --Dante Alighieri 01:11 Dec 6, 2002 (UTC)

Don't worry. You'll get the hang of it. I checked here, and it was the user's first contribution -- from that IP address, anyway. --Uncle Ed

Yeah.. I had just cleaned up this and the reference to a spouse and the grammar just looked the same. Rookie mistake I suppose. :) --Dante Alighieri 01:17 Dec 6, 2002 (UTC)

To be serious for a moment (or try to be) I think it is wrong to characterize our calander 9i.e. it is now 2002) as "Christian." It is Christian in origin, but manmy non-Christians use it and it "works" because it is a convention. I think the move to "CE" is not meant to obscure the Christian origins of the calendar, but rather to highlight the fact that those origins are no longer relevant, and people use the calendar because it is a convention, not for theological reasons. Should I post this comment on the CE/Commen Era pages (yikes!) -- well, if you think the above comment is clear and hlps clarify the position, feel free to cut and paste it ono those pages. You are welcome to your own opinion, but to be honest, I do not understand it (I mean, I understand the argument, but I do not understand why you ascribe to it).

Now, about wraps .....

Really, this is a topic that deserves a page of its own (and then a much much longer talk page). But you know, in the end it is all just some form or another of the Chinese egg roll.... Slrubenstein

You know that the paragraph with wraps in it wasn't from me, right?

yeah,

Anyway, I think that having a calender that uses the birth of Christ (yeah, yeah, we all know he wasn't really born in 1 AD) is inherently biased. And I think that to continue to use that system while changing its name doesn't accomplish much. Worse, it can lead people to forget about or ignore the bias. I like to look bias in the face and know that its there. You can change the cover on a book, but it doesn't alter the contents. Personally, I don't actually care that much about the issue, I just jumped into the middle of a pre-existing argument. :) --Dante Alighieri 11:14 Dec 6, 2002 (UTC)

I gues we just disagree -- not that there is/isn't a bias, but over the nature of the bias. I do not think that the bias is really about using Jesus' alleged birthday as point of reference; the bias is in using a calendar that is of European origin. But as long as the world is dominated by European (and Euro-American) culture (including political and economic forms), this is the calendar we will use. And who knows, even after the end of European domination, people around the world will still use it merely because there is a need for a convention. Look, people use "meters" whether they would have been Jacobins or not -- it is just a standard.

I am perfectly happy using the Hebrew calendar in my personal life. But the fact is, when I am out and about in the world I need to use a calendar that non-Jews use. I do not mind that. But no way am I going to say that the reason I am using another calendar is because Jesus is my Lord. I will use it solely as a convention.

In other words, trhe Christian calendar simply does not belong to Christians any more. Maybe this is why so many (not you) are upset at "CE and BCE," it is a sign that in winning the battle (world domination) they have in some way lost the war (people around the world celebrate Christmas as a holiday without really caring at all about Jesus; people use the Gregorian calendar without caring about Jesus, etc). Using CE and BCE is a way of saying: "Yes, we will use your calendar, if you insist. But once we start using it, it is no longer yours." Slrubenstein

You see, that last paragraph makes sense! That's the first really cogent and articulate objection to my POV that I've received. I can certainly respect your position, and even agree with your conclusion in the last two sentences. That being said, I'm STILL worried about that bias, but hey, anything that'll piss of the Religious Right is OK with me. ;) --Dante Alighieri 11:52 Dec 6, 2002 (UTC)

Hi Dante, could you look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Dog breeds/General? Thanks :) -- sannse 19:20 Feb 6, 2003 (UTC)

Sigs: "~~~" for "John Owens", "~~~~" for "John Owens 19:32 May 1, 2003 (UTC)". Wikipedia:How does one edit a page -- John Owens 19:32 May 1, 2003 (UTC)

Ah, tilde. Duh! Thanks! Dante Alighieri 19:34 May 1, 2003 (UTC)

Hey, I'm not taking any CS classes this semester, but I'm starting on upper divs in the fall. -- Minesweeper 23:38 14 May 2003 (UTC)

I graduated Cal in 2002. I didn't major in CS, but I took a few courses. I have friends who were heavy into the CS department though. If you end up in a course where you have a course of GSIs and one of them is Melvin Tsai, go with him. He's a buddy of mine, and he knows his stuff. --Dante Alighieri 23:40 14 May 2003 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind! -- Minesweeper 05:19 17 May 2003 (UTC)

Hi Dante, I've just seen your pigeon/dove comment. Worldwide there are several hundred Columbidae species, fairly arbitarily named "pigeon" or "dove" even in the same genus, eg Speckled Pigeon, Columba guinea and Stock Dove C. oenas. My feeling was that the redirect should be for the group as a whole. The problem comes in that "pigeon" to many city dwellers in the West means only the feral pigeon, which is domesticated Rock Dove. I realise that people are more likely to search for "pigeon" than "feral pigeon", but they can get to feral pigeon from the Dove article.

If they are looking for pigeons in general, it is my view that pigeon-->dove, and feral pigeon-->Rock Dove. it's a tricky one though.

Not sure where the edit war comes in-I wasn't consciously reverting anything jimfbleak 15:22 19 May 2003 (UTC)

No real edit war, just needed something to label the message. ;) OK, that makes sense I suppose. It looks like the big problem is that people worldwide don't seem to have a good handle on precisely what a pigeon is, except that it seems to be one or more species of dove. Oh well. ;) --Dante Alighieri 21:47 19 May 2003 (UTC)

23:10 19 May 2003, Maveric149 blocked 64.180.186.148 (contribs) (unblock) (repeated vandalism at Maoism)

Thanks mav! --Dante Alighieri 23:14 19 May 2003 (UTC)

Congratulations, you are now a sysop. Please take a look at Wikipedia:Administrators before using your new privileges. --Eloquence 22:54 20 May 2003 (UTC)

Re the OED: cool, but was it teenager that I was checking? In any case, I'll let others quibble about it but if you can find it in there, go for it! -- Someone else 00:49 22 May 2003 (UTC)

It was something along the lines of "Squawk ('squocken' not a real German word as far as I can tell) journey, be suited for Bonnie. On travel, 17th century (1665-1687), little Bonnie born 1632 on Munich, and 1637 on Berlin. Little Bonnie is the a mathematical woman (English word, not German, of course)." Very bad German, and it's the testprog/BethPageHillBrier/stillbirth/Breanna NC fellow at work. (He seems to go by the names Bob, Lenny, and Wilma, depending which personality is in charge, I guess.) Surprised he didn't try to link Bonnie to Jayne Bryleigh. Oh, look, and now he's made another lovely contribution to mucous membrane. -- John Owens 08:10 23 May 2003 (UTC)

Of course, about the blocklist comment, it wouldn't really be fair to count the times two or three of us all banned him at once separately, would it? ;) -- John Owens 08:20 23 May 2003 (UTC)

Hehe... turns out that I'm not a huge fan of vandals. I propose we ship them all to Antarctica and deal with them that way. --Dante Alighieri 08:21 23 May 2003 (UTC)

I guess you aren't, you managed to beat me to the punch on Mary Reibey, after all. ;) But I don't think I'd condemn the penguins to have to put up with that kind of thing. -- John Owens 08:25 23 May 2003 (UTC)

We'll bring the penguins here. I'd rather have them around than the vandals... Hell, I think I'd rather have Vandals than vandals... --Dante Alighieri 08:28 23 May 2003 (UTC)

Slight change of subject: personally, I've been tempted to make a page for gratuitous wikification or something like that. Examples and such, not much of a definition to be had. -- John Owens 08:38 23 May 2003 (UTC)

Check the Wikipedia:Sandbox. There's a cute little sentence on there courtesy of yours truly... total wikification! ;) --Dante Alighieri 08:53 23 May 2003 (UTC)

On a related note, why does it make me nervous when I see you playing in the sandbox with the only edit summary being "hehe"? -- John Owens 19:56 24 May 2003 (UTC)

Hey, we all have our vices... mine seems to be doing fun little things in the sandbox. ;) --Dante Alighieri 19:58 24 May 2003 (UTC)

You and my cats should get along well, then.... -- John Owens 20:05 24 May 2003 (UTC)

Now that, my friend, is disgusting. Hehe... --Dante Alighieri 20:08 24 May 2003 (UTC)

Woo, finally someone uses my anonymous talk page feature to greet new users and not just to warn them about vandalism :-). Note that they get the "new messages" notification like everyone else. Let me know if this works. --Eloquence 10:27 23 May 2003 (UTC)

DA, I appreciate your comment on the neutral theory etc. page. You are welcome to look at the page history, but I want to sum it up for you: An earlier version of the article had this section:

A second assertion or hypothesis of the neutral theory is that most evolutionary change is the result of genetic drift acting on neutral alleles. Through drift, these alleles rise to dominance or become "fixed" in populations.

The implication is that drift involves solely a rise to dominance or fixation.That is misleading, and I changed it to:

Through drift, some alleles rise to dominance or become "fixed" in populations, while others disappear.

I believe it is a clear, well-written, and entirely accurate change that in no way diminishes the rest of the article – and 168 reverted it. I want to be very clear: I only added content, and not much content at that (and it is accurate); 168 simply will not allow me to add content. I believe he views that article as his property, and that he has effectively banned me from working on it. I can go on correcting the article, but it gets silly after a while. I need some sort of support – and whether you agree with me or 168, the article needs some sort of intervention. Thanks, Slrubenstein 20:24 23 May 2003 (UTC)

Re: Marathon (computer game) - you're quite sure you're not thinking of Marathon 2 being ported to Windows? I know it was. But http://marathon.bungie.org/story/releasedates.html and other websites I find on Google say nothing about the first, causing my confusion... Evercat 20:00 24 May 2003 (UTC)

Well, heck, now you've got me questioning it... I was sure that I'd played Marathon on my comp at some point... See, in the dorms, two of my friends had Macs so we were always playing Bungie games over there. I remember being thrilled when Marathon came out for PC, but ticked because they were playing Marathon2 by that point... Unless, of course, I'm misremembering it and when Marathon2 came out they were busy playing Marathon Infinity...

Sigh, I'll remove it for now and try to find out from my Mac guru friends.

--Dante Alighieri 20:08 24 May 2003 (UTC)

Heh. Wouldn't a PC guru be a better bet? :) Evercat 20:10 24 May 2003 (UTC)

I hate to tell you this, but 64.12.9x.xx is usually Michael, too. -- John Owens 23:47 27 May 2003 (UTC)

Ugh.. I'll get rid of that too, just to be safe. --Dante Alighieri 00:11 28 May 2003 (UTC)

Dante, please don't make links that only those with administrative powers can use such as the undelete links which you have put on the Vandalism in progress page. It tends to promote the idea that Wikipedia is run by a clique who don't want the ordinary user to see what they're doing. Better just to describe what the vandal was up to. Then everyone is included in the big picture. -- Derek Ross 01:09 28 May 2003 (UTC)

Sir, I certainly hope I have not hurt yours or anyone's feelings. But, I do admit that Ms. Kemp sure hurt mine, but I know in her heart she is sorry. If I have offended you please point it out. I want to learn as much as I can and be a good contributor whose work won't be called nonsense and deleted only to find out it was fact -- again. Thank you for taking the time to point out my possible communication shortcomings. Maybe it is cultural. Triton

Hello, Dante. I was the one who added "apparent" to the article on sailing. There is a mistake there that needs to be corrected. Not even America's cup boats can sail within 16 degrees of the [i]actual[/i] wind. How close a boat can sail to the wind depends on the wind speed, since what the boat "sees" is the apparent wind, i.e., the vector sum of the actual wind and the boat's own velocity. The apparent wind is what the windex on top of the mast shows. Because of this, people often talk about how close a boat can sail to the apparent wind. A good sloop can sail within 25 degrees of apparent wind. Perhaps an American Cup sloop can sail within 16 degrees, under the right conditions. Those figures might translate into 45 degrees and 36 degrees relative to the actual wind. Perhaps a better correction would be: ".. from an average of 25 degrees, [i]relative to apparent wind[/i], to as little as.."

Anyway, I was trying to be helpful.

No problem, in the future, please add summaries to your edits or make notes on the talk page so everyone can understand what you're doing. Also, consider making yourself a user name and sticking around... we can always use more help! --Dante 19:04 28 May 2003 (UTC)

Mr. Dante Alighieri, your question: "It could go a long way to resolving this issue if you would confirm you cultural and linguistic backgrounds. Please realize that I don't particularly care where you're from of what languages you speak, except so far as they have bearing on the potential cultural/linguistic misunderstandings regarding the French monarch issue."

Thank you, but like User:Slrubenstein, User:Jlk7e and many others at Wikipedia, I prefer not to reveal my ethnic background. Race has no effect on one's ability to participate in Wikipedia. If I make mistakes in English please be kind enough to point them out. Helping me perfect my language skills is important and appreciated. Thank you, I look forward to working with you on this valuable project. Triton

Dante, what is going on with Alice in Chains (charming name for a band)? 152.163.252.167 puts in a line "On April 19, 2002, lead singer Layne Staley was found dead in his home.", and then you take it out again, repeated about a million times. Why? CGS 22:44 28 May 2003 (UTC).

152.163.xx.xx is Michael. I'm reverting any and all edits on sight. See User_talk:Michael/ban. --Dante Alighieri 22:47 28 May 2003 (UTC)

But this is legitimate content. Why waste time deleteting it even if he's banned? CGS 22:55 28 May 2003 (UTC).

This has been dealt with before, go over the logs of the Michael situation. The problem is that his "submissions" are plagued with INTENTIONAL inaccuracies. The fact that he occassionally submits accurate information is irrelevant. The only way to keep the bad stuff off is to keep it all off. --Dante Alighieri 23:16 28 May 2003 (UTC)

Sorry, but these other questions are not relevant to my sincere efforts in the context of "question overload" that included you saying: "I must suggest the following: stop using language that seems to be designed to upset people." You say you have other issues I must answer. If those issues affect my performance, reflect on you badly or affect your ability to function, insult you or harm you, or make it impossible for you to function properly please say so. But such as this statement by you is an unwarranted use of my time because you did not read what I said yet you made an negative assertion against me

I actually didn't make a negative assertion against you. It would only be negative had I asserted that you did this knowingly, which I did not.

(I QUOTE YOU ABOVE)

Also, if you carefully reread her original statement, JHK actually did not refer to your edits as misrepresentations or lies.

Mr. Dante Alighieri, I made no such statement that she said that about my edits -- ever. Check it out, sir.

You are correct, and I apologize. I joined this "conversation" past that point and I was not clear who had made the original submission that JHK was referring to, I assumed it was you. Nevertheless, you have, and I double-checked this time, been asserting that she called "another user" "a 'obtuse'" (sic), "a 'misrepresenter'", and "liar". As I stated above, this is not really the case. My above point stands, just replace you with another user.

INSERTION FOR MR DANTE ALIGHIERI:

Perhaps, Mr. User:Dante Alighieri, you should read. There are only two pages on which the discussion you intervened on were taking place. Before you accuse me of lying, would it not be better to do a simple check? Kindly click on the talk page for Clovis I and read Ms. Kemp's words to another user who, if you check, informed Mr. Wales he was leaving because of abuse. Quote from Talk:Clovis I/archive1 with my bolding:
The statement about all prominent scholars considering the Merovingians to be French is at best a sad demonstration of obtuseness by a well-meaning amateur, at worst, a deliberate misinterpretation and/or outright lie.

Mr. User:Dante Alighieri, sir, -- just as an additional point of interest on an extremely serious matter, you might also look at Ms. Kemp's remarks about Canadians she made to Mr. User:Jacques Delson on his personal page that user:Maverick pointed out yesterday. However, sir, because her bigoted remarks were noticed by someone who voiced a complaint, a friend covered them up. (Note her USER page says: “People who know her know how to find her ...&#8221); Please go to User talk:Jacques Delson and you will see certain harmless looking remarks constructed to appear to be those of User Ms.Kemp. They are found in the last six paragraphs (3 bulleted). Please then check the page history:

cur) (last) . . 23:03 29 May 2003 . . MyRedDice (paraphrasing JHK - let's not be anti-Canadian, eh? ;-))

Please check (last) and read the deceit perpetuated by User:MyRedDice (and I hereby repeat that this is deliberate deceit) in order to try to cover up Ms. Kemp’s real remarks. He tried to protect himself by inserting the word in brackets (paraphrased) at the end of one of six paragraphs. Note that User:MyRedDice then inserted another comment from another page signed with Ms. Kemp’s name. Putting this at the bottom of the altered fraudlent text labelling it truthfully as an ulogged user tries (feebly) to protect his legal position against being charged with fraud while making it appear that all the above harmless paragraphs were written by Ms. Kemp.

Ms. Kemp’s verbal abuse of Mr. Delson was such that he too left Wikipedia and if you look, that man's high quality contributions on "years in sports" were badly needed. I can only begin to guess at the huge number of hours and exhaustive detail he put in. Wikipedia needs contributors like him. Because of innuendo, I am obliged to protect my reputation. As such, I am currently compiling a list of Ms. Kemp’s abuses that violate Wikipedia policy and natural decency plus beyond into unacceptable conduct that endangers Wikipedia itself. It is getting very, very, lengthy and shows a number of people who left because of her abuse or who have been so intimidated that they avoid her and refrain from fully participating. In addition to Ms. Kemp's remarks about Canadians, I have found others that hover at the edge of racism and on these matters I assure you Mr. Wales will take the appropriate action to protect Wikipedia from very costly repercussions. Thank you, and may the Prophet bless you and have a joyous experience at Wikipedia. Triton 13:17 30 May 2003 (UTC)

And, sir, I write the way I write, and I try my best to constantly improve. If that is unacceptable, please have Mr. Wales tell me so. Even the remotest possibility of ethnic intolerance makes me very uncomfortable. I certainly do not want to upset anybody, but I will not tolerate them calling me names or degrading my honest attempts to contribute to Wikipedia. However, as I have already said in previous statements, I will never stoop to their level and call them names or degrade them. Have I degraded you, your work, or sworn at you as Ms. Kemp did to me?

No, you haven't done any of those things... nor did I accuse you of those things.

It is easy for several people to ask me questions here or on other article talk pages that are so numerous, extensive, and cumberson that it becomes impossible to deal with and I will then be accused of being uncooperative and not answering questions. That sir, has happened before to others and unscrupulous people can easily use it as a tool to drive someone away. You sir, said I didn't answer all your questions knowing full well I have been inundated with massive amounts of questions and demands to respond to, which if you check, sir, I have done my very best possible. If my best is not good enough, please tell me. Your questions are far too lengthy, far too insignifacant in light of all that is going on and as seen above, on this one occasion at least, not founded on fact.

Well, I certainly consider my points concise and significant. I don't believe that you are in a position to complain about others' lengthy comments as you are certainly "guilty" of such "offenses" yourself. Also, some might think that you were implying that I was an unscrupulous person that was trying to drive you away. I trust you didn't mean that sentence to be taken in that manner.

I am very sorry, but any question at Wikipedia that requires someone to state their ethnic quality or affiliation resulting from racial or cultural ties, is inappropriate and in the United States, Great Britain and most major democracies, unconstitutional. If my cultural background results in my not fully understanding your cultural background, then I apologize but I do not feel it should prevent me from contributing to Wikipedia so long as I do my best and am honest and respectful. Do you agree or do you believe I should leave? And, do you wish to cooperate on articles by proving factual input? Thank you. Triton

Actually, you are quite wrong. I don't even know where to start. To put it quite simply, since Wikipedia is in no way, shape, or form connected to the government, it is absolutely not "unconstitutional" to make such an inquiry. And, as I pointed out above, it was you, not me, that made your culture an issue. I was simply offering you the chance to make your earlier claim of cultural misunderstanding a bit clearer. Furthermore, if you read my response immediately prior to this one, I did not even ask for your ethnicity, but simply if English was your native language. You may also want to reflect that I never suggested that your cultural background did or ought to prevent you from contributing to the Wikipedia, so I'm uncertain why you bring this up. As for cooperating on articles, I am attempting to improve the relations between yourself and several Wikipedians, although I must admit I am becoming less and less sure that this is an attainable goal.

Lastly, I must again point out that, despite the lengthy response to my above questions you again failed to address my points. I have attempted to do you the courtesy of giving you a point by point response to the issues that you have raised. As for the "innundation" of communications that you are experiencing, surely you realize that I have other things to do (and I have been doing them), but I see no reason that that should stop me from giving you the courtesy of full responses, and I certainly would not, as you did above, belittle someone's honest attempts at reconciliation. --Dante Alighieri 02:55 29 May 2003 (UTC)

Hi Dante -- on a more pleasant note, can you point out that page to me? I couldn't find it by searching. Thanks! JHK

Hi Dante,
Just out of curiousity, why remove italics from bullet lists? It's my understanding that film names are italicized per se, whether listed or in text. Not a big deal, just asking. -- Someone else 23:26 29 May 2003 (UTC)

Yeah, it appears I was wrong on that count. Oops. --Dante Alighieri 23:29 29 May 2003 (UTC)

Oh, good! I can save my being wrong for later, then<G> -- Someone else 23:30 29 May 2003 (UTC)

Mr. Dante Alighieri, sir, you had some questions for me. I apologize for the delay good sir, but many issues you are cognizant of took priority. So long as they have nothing to do with my private affairs, please list them in a simple bulleted list on MY talk page and I will do my best to answer them within as quick a time as my exhausted brain can when I next come back to Wikipedia. Thank you and may you have a joyous experience at Wikipedia. Triton

Mr. Dante Alighieri, sir, thank you for the nice compliment about my improving English. However, as I told that very helpful Mr. User:John Owens, I try to improve with WORDWEB [2] on my computer that I use as often as possible. Apparently though, it is not the best. There are really smart people here who use big words at times or expressions I am not intricately familiar with, sir, so it can be tedious and hard to keep up at times. Nevertheless grammar still is a problem but I do my best and certainly appreciate your compliment. But, I am proud of my efforts. And I do want to answer your questions because at least one calls into question my integrity which, if you are not aware, is something Mr. Wales will not tolerate under any circumstances. I also want you to be aware of a cover up of bigoted, near-racist slurs that I am passing on to Mr. Wales. So, I am inserting one answer above regarding a charge of lying you made against me. Thank you again for the compliment on my efforts to present the good English.Triton

Triton, perhaps I should rethink my comment about your improving English skills, as you continue to "misiterpret" my remarks. As for calling question to your integrity, this is something which, if I have done, is certainly something you have done to me. As for Mr. Wales not accepting that, I believe you are wrong. It is common practice to enquire from "new" contributors as to their motives when they take actions that are, to some, unclear. There is quite a difference between asking someone if their intents are honorable and declaring that their intents are not. Incidentally, I'd like you to point out where I directly questioned your integrity, I can't seem to find it. Also, please note that when I speak of you or your potential motives I always use words like "seems" or "I think". This is, of course, because one cannot know for certain what is inside another person's mind. This is not, it seems, your policy. You make statements about me, my writing, and others as facts, not open to interpretation. Lastly, I certainly did not make a charge of lying against you, therefore making it impossible to answer such a charge. Were I a more paranoid person, I would suspect that you are deliberately misinterpreting me. As I am not that paranoid, I'll chalk it up to language and/or cultural misunderstandings. --Dante Alighieri 20:38 30 May 2003 (UTC)

-- Mr.User:Dante Alighieri, sir, you said: “Also, if you carefully reread her original statement, JHK actually did not refer to your edits as misrepresentations or lies. ……. My above point stands, just replace you with another user.”

Sir, You made a point that my charge of Ms. Kemp using obtuse, misrep, liar was not correct. That makes me look like a liar.
We, Mr.User:Dante Alighieri, are, in my blurry eyes, not making sense. It seems to get murkier. I wipe the slate clean, state not once EVER, would or did I intend to insult you and I apologize to you, your mother, your father, your whole family, the dog, the cat, the camel, the horse, the flea in your dog’s ear, and anybody else you can name. I only ask you show me the courtesy of checking carefully before you put up any statement that others will see at Wikipedia, read and move on and, due to the massive volume of stuff, never see whatever page any correction might be on and will then have had a lie, or negative misconception of who I am and my motives. And, then that negative impression will be enhanced when they see or receive comments by some people who frequently act in a malicious manner such as this:
I don't know if you are aware of it, but there is a widespread belief that Triton is our old pal from hell, DW! Same pre-occupations. Same approach. Same abuse. Using the same images. Same refusal to say where the images come from. Same topics. Only a different name. Why can't he have a personality transplant to go along with each of his names? Heh heh. Slán. FearÉIREANN 05:40 27 May 2003 (UTC)

This is filled with lies. Would you like proof? Would you like more examples of this type of thing going on about me and others. Now, Mr.User:Dante Alighieri, sir, if another User then makes an accusation that as an example: Triton doesn’t listen and all he does is accuse blah, blah, blah. And, let’s say that person places his message on another users page about how difficult that user Triton is and another puts it on the Wikien L list, (and I read every single one) someone replies about the new “troll”, another says, “boy he edited the same page as User: John Doe, another says, oh no! and so on. Then sir, you will agree, I hope, that malicious people mixed with your honest error when dealing with someone like me who takes a strong position will, with lightning speed at Wikipedia, become “LABELED” and then it becomes fact to dismiss anything that awful user Triton says and if someone actually has done something totally wrong to Triton, well ….. we can overlook that because he is such an awful troll --- why doesn’t he just go away? And then people who only take a cursory glance say, God what a troublemaker! And sir, Mr.User:Dante Alighieri, that is why no one says a word to Ms. Kemp about her horrific conduct to a lot of Wikipedia users that if she did it to you I think you might surely react. Wouldn’t you? And if her response was to go to Wikien L and put you down, lie and distort facts while all the while proclaiming herself a genius. And those others must always protect her because one day they themselves might need protection and she owes them. Example: User: MyRedDice and what he did for Ms. Kemp to hide her bigotry. And sir, I will never accept bigotry, ever. It just makes me fight harder. Take a look now at the new way of humiliating a user. A new file has been made called User talk:Viking/ban that will keep showing up on the Recent Changes list as many times as their attacker(s) wish. When someone not involved sees that, what is the impression of UserViking? But in a eworld of justice without manipulation and distortion, if a total stranger came along and looked only at Ms. Kemp’s conduct, what would they think of Wikipedia as a place to contribute? I will never back down from bullying. Sometimes in life we must speak out and persevere no matter what kind of prison they put you in. Nelson Mandela did. Think about it. Thank you, no response necessary.Triton 22:33 30 May 2003 (UTC)

Well, if there is no response necessary there will be none given. This concludes my portion of our correspondence. --Dante Alighieri 22:44 30 May 2003 (UTC)