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* ... that [[Kouhei Takeda]] was interested in starring in the television drama adaptation for '''''[[Old-Fashioned Cupcake]]''''' because his co-stars from ''[[Kamen Rider Build]]'' also starred in [[Yaoi|boys' love]] television dramas? <small>Source: https://www.fujitv-view.jp/article/post-585097/</small>
* <s>... that [[Kouhei Takeda]] was interested in starring in the television drama adaptation for '''''[[Old-Fashioned Cupcake]]''''' because his co-stars from ''[[Kamen Rider Build]]'' also starred in [[Yaoi|boys' love]] television dramas?</s> <small>Source: https://www.fujitv-view.jp/article/post-585097/</small>
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[[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] I'm afraid the hook falls rather flat for me. It's a neat fact, but it's not very hooky – I'm not reading that and wanting to know more about the article. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[user talk:theleekycauldron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Theleekycauldron|contribs]]) (she/her) 02:53, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
[[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] I'm afraid the hook falls rather flat for me. It's a neat fact, but it's not very hooky – I'm not reading that and wanting to know more about the article. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[user talk:theleekycauldron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Theleekycauldron|contribs]]) (she/her) 02:53, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
:[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Good for you I guess. Re-approving. [[User:SL93|SL93]] ([[User talk:SL93|talk]]) 03:08, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
:[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Good for you I guess. Re-approving. [[User:SL93|SL93]] ([[User talk:SL93|talk]]) 03:08, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
*[[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] Disclaimer: I came to this discussion after seeing a [[WT:DYK]] discussion about this nomination, although my comments and thoughts are my own.
:I do agree that the hook could be better. For one thing, I'm not much of a fan of how the hook is currently written as it seems to be more about Takeda rather than ''Cupcake'' itself. I am not totally opposed to a hook focusing on Takeda instead of ''Cupcake'' (I've admittedly done similar hooks in the past myself), but if focusing on Takeda is desired, I don't think the current hook wording is the best option. It seems to rely on specialist knowledge, particularly knowing the relationship between this series and boy's love works. If we do want to focus on Takeda rather than ''Cupcake'' specifically, I think a hook about this particular part: {{tq|Kimura prepared for his role by doing muscle training at a gym, and he also stated that, during filming, he had to eat pancakes and drink coffee while talking for eight hours, even on a full stomach.}} is actually a better angle than "he got interested in this because his co-stars worked on similar projects". I understand this angle would mean that the mention of boy's love would have to be dropped, but I personally think that it would be a more intriguing hook overall than the original proposal.
:{{ping|SL93}} I should note that two editors have already objected against the original hook, and if you include me as a third objection, that means approving it would mean going against consensus. Courtesy pings to {{u|OwenBlacker}} and {{u|Lullabying}} regarding the above concerns. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|<B><span style="color:#0038A8">Naruto</span><span style="color:#FCD116">love</span><span style="color:#CE1126">hinata</span>5</B>]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:53, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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Revision as of 04:53, 26 January 2023

Old-Fashioned Cupcake

Created by Lullabying (talk). Self-nominated at 19:06, 27 December 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: No - Personally, I'd prefer to see the term yaoi used directly, rather than boys' love, which — especially for a work where the protagonists are clearly adults — feels inappropriate.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Everything is sourced fine except the plot section, which does not need inline references per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Writing about fiction#Plot summaries of individual works. Please use {{lang}} within Template:Graphic novel list to apply language tagging to the original titles of the manga. Consider rewording the hook to use yaoi rather than BL. Good work! OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 09:55, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

  • @OwenBlacker: Thanks for the review, but I fail to see what the problem is with using "boys' love." It's what all the Japanese-language sources use and the genre itself doesn't have a specific age limit for its characters or readership. lullabying (talk) 22:50, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
    • Referring to what reliable sources call it is fine. Approving. SL93 (talk) 07:22, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm afraid the hook falls rather flat for me. It's a neat fact, but it's not very hooky – I'm not reading that and wanting to know more about the article. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 02:53, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Good for you I guess. Re-approving. SL93 (talk) 03:08, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Disclaimer: I came to this discussion after seeing a WT:DYK discussion about this nomination, although my comments and thoughts are my own.
I do agree that the hook could be better. For one thing, I'm not much of a fan of how the hook is currently written as it seems to be more about Takeda rather than Cupcake itself. I am not totally opposed to a hook focusing on Takeda instead of Cupcake (I've admittedly done similar hooks in the past myself), but if focusing on Takeda is desired, I don't think the current hook wording is the best option. It seems to rely on specialist knowledge, particularly knowing the relationship between this series and boy's love works. If we do want to focus on Takeda rather than Cupcake specifically, I think a hook about this particular part: Kimura prepared for his role by doing muscle training at a gym, and he also stated that, during filming, he had to eat pancakes and drink coffee while talking for eight hours, even on a full stomach. is actually a better angle than "he got interested in this because his co-stars worked on similar projects". I understand this angle would mean that the mention of boy's love would have to be dropped, but I personally think that it would be a more intriguing hook overall than the original proposal.
@SL93: I should note that two editors have already objected against the original hook, and if you include me as a third objection, that means approving it would mean going against consensus. Courtesy pings to OwenBlacker and Lullabying regarding the above concerns. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:53, 26 January 2023 (UTC)