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::::* I agree with Alvaldi. The broader Wikipedia community concluded that (1) playing in the NFL is not enough, (2) athlete bios must contain at least one piece of SIGCOV. For gridiron fans to then simply wave an IAR banner every time an NFL bio is challenged is simply flouting the broader community consensus. If this conduct persists, it is simply going to draw an even more draconian response. We as gridiron editors need to be able to police ourselves in accordance with the rules. Babcock does not appear to me to be an edge case that warrants the IAR card. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 13:51, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
::::* I agree with Alvaldi. The broader Wikipedia community concluded that (1) playing in the NFL is not enough, (2) athlete bios must contain at least one piece of SIGCOV. For gridiron fans to then simply wave an IAR banner every time an NFL bio is challenged is simply flouting the broader community consensus. If this conduct persists, it is simply going to draw an even more draconian response. We as gridiron editors need to be able to police ourselves in accordance with the rules. Babcock does not appear to me to be an edge case that warrants the IAR card. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 13:51, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::* Babcock played part of one season for a small city team that finished in 20th place behind other small city teams like Pottsville, Akron, and Racine. The NFL of 1926 was not the major league it later became. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 14:14, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::* Babcock played part of one season for a small city team that finished in 20th place behind other small city teams like Pottsville, Akron, and Racine. The NFL of 1926 was not the major league it later became. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 14:14, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::* {{tq|Babcock played part of one season for a small city team ... The NFL of 1926 was not the major league it later became.}} – I don't f-ing care – Babcock still played in the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE, meaning he was among the best football players of his time – and wasn't just a one-gamer, either (you say [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Buck Saunders|we need to respect "consensus" by getting rid of at least the one gamers]], but now you're suggesting to do it to the people who have played a majority of a season, too?) <small>Also, I'm currently in the process of contacting Pro-Football-Reference.com to see what they can find.</small> [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 15:18, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

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Sam Babcock

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A sufficient WP:BEFORE yields no sources, no books on him, no hits from Newspapers.com, etc. Therapyisgood (talk) 18:32, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• We are talking about the NFL of the 1920s which included many small city squads (like Canton) and was not the big league that it later became. I am simply abiding by the rules established by community consensus. If something even close to SIGCOV existed, an appeal to IAR might be more palatable, but nobody has come forward with anything ever close to SIGCOV. Cbl62 (talk) 03:32, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep played in the majority of a season during an era in which WP:SIGCOV did not exist even close to the level it does today. This seems like a clear case of WP:IAR to me. Frank Anchor 13:18, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep played in the NFL. Real games, not practice or pre-season. We keep those. how many of these do we have?--Paul McDonald (talk) 23:33, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
NFL player articles or AFD nominations? BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:40, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What policy or community consensus dictates that articles of players participating in a NFL game gets kept? Per the concensus established with WP:NSPORTS2022, mere participation in a game, including in the NFL, is not enough for inclusion in the absence of significant sources. Alvaldi (talk) 00:16, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
IAR. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:18, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There's a robust essay that contains a Player notability discussion library.--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:25, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That would constitute as a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS which does not override the wider Wikipedia community consensus that these subjects must have the SIGCOV to pass GNG. Playing in the NFL 100 years ago was in no way similar to playing in it today, in terms of likelihood of notability. And those are not just my words. Alvaldi (talk) 09:25, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree with Alvaldi. The broader Wikipedia community concluded that (1) playing in the NFL is not enough, (2) athlete bios must contain at least one piece of SIGCOV. For gridiron fans to then simply wave an IAR banner every time an NFL bio is challenged is simply flouting the broader community consensus. If this conduct persists, it is simply going to draw an even more draconian response. We as gridiron editors need to be able to police ourselves in accordance with the rules. Babcock does not appear to me to be an edge case that warrants the IAR card. Cbl62 (talk) 13:51, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Babcock played part of one season for a small city team that finished in 20th place behind other small city teams like Pottsville, Akron, and Racine. The NFL of 1926 was not the major league it later became. Cbl62 (talk) 14:14, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Babcock played part of one season for a small city team ... The NFL of 1926 was not the major league it later became. – I don't f-ing care – Babcock still played in the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE, meaning he was among the best football players of his time – and wasn't just a one-gamer, either (you say we need to respect "consensus" by getting rid of at least the one gamers, but now you're suggesting to do it to the people who have played a majority of a season, too?) Also, I'm currently in the process of contacting Pro-Football-Reference.com to see what they can find. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:18, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]