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Powderfinger

Per this edit - I've now removed the flag icon (next edit), I didn't realise it was there. As for the MySpace link, it's somewhat of an alternate "official website" for the band - certainly they do a lot more news and updates there than on powderfinger.com. As for the images, I'd like to see which part of the criteria they don't meet - please get back to me on that. — Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 07:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's easier if I reply at Talk:Powderfinger - hope you don't mind this :)  — Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 07:44, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Uploaded image question

Hi John,

I have uploaded an image to insert in an article and I thought I had completed the copyright questions ok (it is my own image) but it is showing as 'untagged'.

I've read the instructions but I can't quite get started, easy when you know how I would think.

Can you point me in the right direction please?!

Cheers,

Gary — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nimbus227 (talk • contribs) 10:30, October 2, 2007

Hi Gary. If you are happy to donate your rights in a photo which you took yourself, you should add {{GFDL-self}} to the image page. It's a great picture! --John 15:33, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I think I've tagged the image succesfully but am struggling to insert it in to the article. I am clicking the embedded image icon and typing the file name after ((Image: but it does not seem to work, will get the hang of this soon I promise!!!

Also forgot to sign last time! Cheers. Nimbus227 15:55, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed the licence tag for you. Which article are you trying to insert it into? I can show you how if you like. --John 16:09, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks John, I've got it now, have a look at 'Mini Nimbus'. I reloaded the file with a slightly different name and double checked the copyright options, after all that I think my problem was that .jpg was in upper case .JPG! Also read the syntax rules to creat a thumbnail, this is fun! I'm going to try inserting another external link in that article. Cheers Nimbus227 17:13, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're really getting the hang of the markup. You might want to read WP:EL before adding any external links; why not integrate information from the external link into the article instead? You could use the link as a reference. I can give you any help you need. --John 17:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RE:Threats

You absolutely don't need to threat me, John. I am already cooked off. GO figure, if after several hours of work i deserve to see both my works deleted and then been treatened by you or someone else. Obviousely i pretend too much if i suggest to ask to BillBC and some others why they even not answer to me but just limited themselves to rollback.

Where is wikilove, nette, collabotation and something else? Where is the principle that everyone contribues as he can? When wiki.en states that only 'native english' are abilitated to write? All this worths only for 'the others'? ah, i forget, to me it's only needed to be treaten with blocks. Greetings. I am so happy to hear it. Regards.--Stefanomencarelli 17:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I replied on your talk page. No one is threatening you. --John 18:05, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Getting the hang of it!

I see you are on to me with the T.65 Vega article!!! I think the Mini Nimbus article is much better now. I 'borrowed' the info box from another glider article and put the correct details in, is it ok to do that? Cheers Gary Nimbus227 19:33, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ian McAllister

Hi. You've twice reverted me there. Can we come to a compromise, or do we need to involve other people? My stance is that we need a better source to say that McAllister is a practising Catholic. --John 23:39, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lets try talking it through. I could understand your first edit - it needed a ref, so I replicated a higher ref down to where you had placed a citation tag. So the question - is he a catholic? He attended Thornleigh Salesian College, an (at the time - the rules changed post 1998 under the discrimination laws on sex, race and religion) exclusive Catholic only college. To attend he and his family would have had to have to been practising catholics at the time. There are other clear references that he's a practising Christian, and if he'd changed religion to (say) Baptist or other wise there would be good references normally. Hence for me, its pretty clear he is catholic. What are your thoughts? Rgds, - Trident13 22:28, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that level of verifiability does not entitle the claim that he belongs to that category, especially for a living person, in my opinion. There is also the question of whether his (putative) Catholicism is noteworthy enough to be included. Let's take it to article talk and see what others think as it is clear we disagree. --John 18:20, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I here where you are coming from, but before we take it there what in your opinion are we in dispute about: that he's religeous; that he's catholic; that his being catholic is significant enough that it should be noted in his bio? As I personally have a Scots/Irish but born in England background, I realise that some take these items far more seriously, and have seen far too many daft edits wars over such issues. Personally wishing to avoid such an opportunity now, and focus future potential debate when other editors review and note the attendence of Thornleigh Salesian College, and in the spirit of WP:CON, I would prefere to agree between you and I a suitable position or what we disagree about before we take it to the talk page. Thoughts? Rgds - Trident13 18:54, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would think you'd be able to get your point across, and be immune to any objections, were you to simply embellish the second sentence of the article by changing "he was schooled at Thornleigh Salesian College" to "he was schooled at (the then all-Catholic) Thornleigh Salesian College". 75.88.108.52 05:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good suggestion from an Anon - what do you think? Rgds, - Trident13 07:53, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ME-262

I question why you would insert what I consider (to be your) opinion regarding the theory that Hitler was personally responsible for a delay in the production of the Messerschmidt 262.

I believe it is fairly accepted that Hitler did have a direct hand in causing the bomber variant, the Sturmvogel, to be produced. This fact alone, that an additional variant was created, would affect the production rate of the standard fighter version.

You felt it necessary to modify the already very soft wording of "This likely added only slightly" by appending "if at all" based upon the two references you cite? The first, on the "Great Avaition Myths" website is an unsourced survey of contributions submitted by users of the website. The related entry there greatly oversimplifies the entire debate and boils the delays in the appearance of the 262 down to one blanket excuse of "technical difficulties". A source like this hardly deserves reference on Wikipedia. The second source, from a published book, states Hitler's wish was "not... a major reason". It takes a lot of spin to turn that into "had no effect" as you purport.

Here are a few links that seem to hold more creedence (at least) than the user submitted stuff off of the GAM site.

http://www.2worldwar2.com/me-262.htm

Dec. 1943 - Hitler, surrounded by Air Force seniors and Willi Messerschmitt, the aircraft designer, sees the Me-262 prototype for the 1st time. Always frustrated by the German disadvantage in bombers, Hitler asks if the Me-262 can be used as a bomber, and the answer is "theoretically yes". It is clear to everyone else there that the Me-262 is an exceptional interceptor, but not to Hitler. Hitler then lectures to them about the potential he sees in the Me-262 as a bomber, and leaves, wrongly thinking that his lecture was understood as a command to develop and produce the Me-262 as a bomber. Development continues, but only of the original fighter version. April 1944 - during a discussion about the Me-262, Hitler suddenly realizes that it is produced only in the original fighter version, not in "his" bomber version. Hitler is furious. He commands to shift all production to a bomber version. He forbids to even refer to the aircraft as an interceptor or even as a fighter-bomber, and the military responsibilities related to the Me-262 are transferred from the fighter command to the bomber command. This means that jet fighter pilot training is stopped. Instead, bomber pilots will train to fly the Me-262, as a bomber. The decision also further delays production. Oct. 1944 - Germany now has a real jet bomber, the Arado 234, and Hitler, still obsessed with bombers, agrees to a "deal" in which for every Arado 234 bomber delivered, a Me-262 of the fighter version will also be delivered. The first few Me-262s (fighter version) become operational. The small new unit shoots down an increasing number of allied aircraft, and The Allies respond by fighter and bomber raids on its air base. Hitler agrees to expand the small unit from a few aircraft to the world's first jet fighter wing (JG7).

Bomber pilots did fly the 262, didn't they?

http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/AC/aircraft/Messerschmitt-Me262/me262.php

Until fall 1943, the Messerschmitt Me 262 was only considered to be a fighter. Then, the threatened Allied land invasion of northwest Europe created a major new concern for Hitler, If the landings succeeded, his army would be squeezed between the Eastern and Western fronts. But he thought that the invasion could be defeated and that Allied losses would probably be so heavy that his western flank would be secure for one or possibly two years.

Hitler and his High Command theorized that for the first few hours after the landings, there would be massive confusion, If the Luftwaffe could field a hundred or so high-speed fighter-bombers to bomb and strafe the troops as they came ashore, the delay in securing the beachheads might be decisive. In November 1943, the Fuhrer watched an impressive demonstration of high-speed flight by an Me 262. Afterward, he asked Willi Messerschmitt if the aircraft could be modified to carry bombs. The fighter's designer assured him that it could-either one 1,100-pound bomb or two 550-pounders. That was the answer Hitler wanted; this was the high-speed fighter-bomber he needed with the speed to punch through the Allied fighter screens and slaughter the invaders as they struggled onto the beaches."

Under the wings of the Me 262A-1 s, wooden racks held 12, R4M 55mm, folding-fin rockets. These unguided weapons were rapidly ripple-fired at one target.

From that moment on, the Me 262 held an important place as a fighter bomber in Hitler's counter-invasion strategy. Yet he failed to communicate that view forcefully enough to those who were responsible for preparing it for action. Generalfeldmarschal Erhard Milch; in charge of aircraft production, accepted that the aircraft would be useful as a fighter-bomber, but he initially wanted to deploy it in the pure fighter role against Allied bombers.

That divergence of views lasted until May 23, 1944, when the Fuhrer summoned Luftwaffe leaders to a routine conference to discuss the latest aircraft production programs. Among those present were Reichsmarschali Hermann Goring, Erhard Milch, Luftwaffe Chief of Staff Gen. Guenther Korten and Inspector of Fighters Genera/major Adolf Galland and officials from the armament ministry. When the Me 262 came up on the agenda, Hitler asked how production of the high-speed bomber was progressing. How many had been built? Mitch replied that so far, no Me 262s had been built to carry bombs; the type was being manufactured only as a fighter. There was an awkward silence as Hitler pondered on the significance of this reply. The Allies might invade northwest Europe any day, and an important weapon he had relied on to help defeat the landings did not exist-despite its designer's explicit assurance that the Me 262 could carry bombs if required to do so.

Suddenly, Hitler lost his composure, and the meeting degenerated into a blazing, one-sided row. He then dismissed everyone except Goring, who had to suffer a blistering attack for his incompetence. The outcome was an edict from the Fuhrer that until further notice, the Me 262 was to be delivered only as a fighter-bomber and not as a fighter. Hitler said he held Göring personally responsible for ensuring that an Me 262 fighter-bomber unit was formed as rapidly as possible. On June 6, 1944, '10 days after the Luftwaffe conference, Allied troops stormed ashore in Normandy. At Omaha Beach, the landings ran into severe difficulties. Had those troops also faced repeated attacks by high-speed fighter bombers, as Hitler had envisioned, the landing there might well have failed and resulted in an enormous number of casualties. But that did not happen. By mid-morning, the Allies had secured four large beachheads in Normandy, and the Me 262's opportunity to defeat the invasion, if it ever had one, had been lost.

At the time of the invasion, the Luftwaffe had taken delivery of about 30 Me 262s, all fitted with the temperamental early model gas-turbine engines. Clearly, these aircraft weren't ready for action in any role. Regardless of anything Hitler, Göring, Mitch, or Messerschmitt could have done, the critical factor that delayed the plane's entry to combat was the unreliability of its engines. In September 1944, an improved version of the Jumo 004 was introduced, and modified engines emerged from the factories in large numbers. Also in that month, Hitler rescinded his order that new Me 262s be delivered only to fighter-bomber units. At the end of September, the first Me 262 fighter unit was ready for operations.

Several published accounts overplay the effect of Hitler's edict that the Me 262 initially be used only as a fighter bomber. In truth, the decree imposed a delay of about only three weeks on the aircraft's deployment as a fighter. The main cause of the delay was not his ruling but the unreliability of the first-generation gas-turbine engines that powered the airplane.

http://www.stormbirds.com/schwalbe/history/history2.htm

This is from the guys who are currently flying reproductions of the 262.

There are many more entries online all espousing that Hitler did have an impact, in varying degrees, upon the entry of the the first jet fighter into WWII.

I submit that Hitler's desire for an offensive weapon had * some* effect on 262 production and that we correctly allow the Wikipedia entry to reflect that.

Paul Williams Lincoln, Nebraska [email protected] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.108.52 (talk) 23:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ME-262

That last link from stormbird.com implies Hitler had a huge impact, and it is from the guys who are currently fabricating from scratch, and flying, reproductions of the 262. They are sanctioned by, and work closely with the Messerschmidt Foundation. Are they not more expert on the subject, more credible, than an anonymous user submission off of the GAM website? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.108.52 (talk) 00:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aeritalia F-104S

There seems to be a bit of an editing war going on in Aeritalia F-104S, I am in a position to help but am reluctant to step in, what's the best way forward?

The article has become very untidy and is factually incorrect in many places.

I note one contributor has been banned from Wiki.it

CheersNimbus227 18:29, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As you suggested...

I posted to the discussion area. A couple times. Have you read that?

I never removed the Price quote, I simply moved some generalized statements about the overall program (along with the Price quote) up to an already existing sentence on the same topic in the first paragraph. It's seems a more logical place than in ...

Well, so as not to repeat myself... I made my case in the discussion area about why the move makes sense.

I'm fine with the modified verbage of yours in the first paragraph, "no significant impact". I feel that is accurate, without implying Adolph had absolutely no impact whatsoever.

The sentences that were reinserted into the fifth paragraph, in the midst of all the techy details, are now redundant and ought to go (starting from "The overall development of" through "to bring the Swallow to production.[7]"). The "Great Aviation Myths" reference should also be kaput. That is the reference I removed as "junk". Price's quote was left intact. The items in the bullet-list on the GAM webpage are unsigned, unsourced, and right at the top of the page it states "If you want to add to the list, send me an email". That is not a reference I feel is adequate in advancing Wikipedia standards.

Paul 75.88.108.52 22:48, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Next time, try and bother to clicking links. You'd have found the following info on the page (bold to emphasize my point):

From: universalmusicgroup (Useless text edited out) (C) 1997 Chumbawamba Licensed exclusively to Universal Records, a Division of UMG Recordings, Inc.

Ergo, it is not a violation of Wikipedia:Copyright.--293.xx.xxx.xx 00:46, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just because it is not a copyvio doesn't mean it enhances the article. Please read WP:EL. --John 18:31, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your comment at RfA

I just had to tell you how much I liked your question in AA's RfA. It totally cracked me up... "That sounds worryingly invertebrate to me." is one of the funniest sentences I've ever seen on the Wikipedia. :) Pinball22 17:59, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for saying so. --John 18:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Thank you

For reverting vandalism to my user talk page. --John 05:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

You're very welcome. :) -HamatoKameko 05:13, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

F-22 Raptor

John, can you look at the very unusual comments/edit summaries left by an anon (or a series of anon addresses all presumably from the same person) on the article's talk page. BillCJ has identified the person as a banned editor who resorts to sockpuppet attacks. He has already vandalized my home page and Adam Radecki's talk page as well as making a series of snide and demeaning comments to other editors. FWIW Bzuk 15:09, 8 October 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I had a look and I will continue to monitor. Please let me know if it continues. --John 19:31, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Using the sockpuppet of 162.84.184.78, this editor has again vandalized Adam and my pages (he blanked my user page for the second time). I think BillCJ has identified the user as a banned editor- see the edit history of User: Wikzilla‎, see also User talk:Akradecki's talk page. FWIW Bzuk 06:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC).[reply]

As an avid user and contributor of Wikipedia, with over 8000 edits, I am well aware to not add spam to external links. External links to HowStuffWorks are informational and education articles relevant to the topic. I have no affiliation with HowStuffWorks, and added the external links solely with the intention to improve the article. Rest assure, I am not spamming, or have any personal, commercial or ulterior motive. I see no reason (besides possibly that the site contains advertisement) why the edits should be reverted. -- Frap 00:25, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is not always easy or possible to summaries it, because often it would take much time, and also because HowStuffWorks often contains copyrighted illustrations, and Wikipedia and HowStuffWorks, are different, because Wikipedia is an factual encyclopedia with articles with facts about stuff, while HowStuffWorks is more focused on explaining how stuff works. Though, I can see where you are coming from, usually I am against linking to commercial sites that contain advertisement, it has happened that I removed sites due to that, but I deemed that due to the quality and informative nature of the site, it would be a valuable site to link to, and the action of linking to it, would overall be an positive thing todo that would be helpful to the people who read Wikipedia. -- Frap 03:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue XVII - October 2007

The October 2007 issue of the Novels WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.

This is an automated delivery by grafikbot -- 09:36, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

flags, again.

This time on United Kingdom#Symbols. The article was stable for nearly 2 months with the flag and the footnote, explaining the bone of contention with the flag among some people. Then at the start of this month someone went to effort of removing the flag. Since then the flag has not been 'allowed' back.

Your assistance, as offered earlier, is sought and greatly appreciated. Biofoundationsoflanguage 16:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. We should discuss it in article talk in the first instance to see if we can find a way forwards. --John 17:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

red caps on the mountains

Hi ive been interested in the Greenlands contribution to a possible east coast suname. I noticed your picture and am wondering why the mountain tops are red in your picture?

CrossCountry‎

John, I have now reverted a section heading twice on the above article. It was arrived at following a discussion in mid September. The editor in question is using an anonymous IP and looking at the his/her talk page a response to the reversion by a previous editor was less that diplomatic. Thoughts? --Stewart (talk) 19:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll keep an eye on it, thank you for letting me know. --John 19:44, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User: DCGeist

John, you are not the only person who has had difficulty with DCGeist. See the discussion page at Gone with the Wind (film). I think you'll be shocked. Is it possible to lodge a complaint against this individual? 24.45.196.36 17:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the commentary. Much appreciated. However, I hope you were not suggesting that I was "trolling" (a very odd term, the definition of which I only recently learned). I am in all seriousness debating the existence of a second Tara set based on what I believe to be photographic proof from a Los Angeles Times article in 1979 (and my own several visits to the set... which I know can't be used as a legitimate source) 24.45.196.36 13:41, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Album covers again

I'm glad you (slightly) reconsidered, in any case :) Whilst I'm cool with the PF compromise, I still think that, lacking free images, album covers should be used in cases of extra notability, such as the ARIA awards in this case. But that's just my opinion, and I'm interested to see what consensus is reached. Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 00:48, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


RE:

If you kindly tell me (=treatening?) that i must do not make personalisms, well i agree, but after this, just explain me:

1-How GFDL can justifie that BillBC can revert my edits? Where is written that only 'fair written' edits are couvered? I tough that this is applied only to vandalisms and this is not the case, do you agree?

2-You 'advertise' me about not to make personal attacks. Well, i do not search BillBC, while he rollback my edits. Perhaps i mistake something, but who is the guy that makes personal questions here? I, or him?

3-In which measure Wikipedia is improved with these removals? Some herrors are not only mine and there is not shortage of manpower, with 2,5 wikipedians for every article.

4-BillBC has no right to write: He's banned on It.Wiki for a reason, and he (supposedly) speaks the language there! This is a personal attack to me. In wiki.it there was and is some problems among wikipedians. But this is NOT a BillBC businness. And i do not allow that some guys use it for denigrate me here.

5-Seen that i write so bad, to have fun show me how many unacceptable herrors i did in this post.

In short: i am not too pleased to see that, every time i discuss with someone, you arrive and advertize or block me. If you want to make PR with myself you can do it better. I do apreciate the discussions peer-to peer, rather than shoot the dog. Disclaimer: in the making of this post no personal attacks were made and no animals were injured.--Stefanomencarelli 17:50, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

13, roughly. That is far better than I could do in Italian, but not up to scratch for professional writing purposes. I have made very few edits to the German or French projects for similar reasons. --John 18:46, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Re

herr..

Some foundamental objections:

1-You forget that this is not, or still not, a 'professional purpuse'. If i have mistaken nothing, Wikipedia runs with *non professionists*, differently it should be called Wiki.Encyclopedia Britannica and contributors will been *payed*. Sorry, it's not the purpose of Wikipedia make 'professional works', it's not a professional project at all. If recently someone with over-inflated opinion about this project thinks this, well, let me say that this assumption blatalantly violates the spirit of wikipedia, starting with: everybody contributes as he can. Differently it's intolerance.

2-Seen that english is quite unfurtunatly, the standard world language (spoken correnctly by 10% people, more or less), you or everybody else, should no be surprised at all if people not of mother language are making edits

That, as neat result, and despite what sometimes is said about (from interested 'advocates'), *improves* wikipedia, not worsened it. Example, just look to italian aircrafts, how many and how complete were three months ago and now, after i posted almost 1 MB of contributes to reinforce them. Herrors, sure- there are-, but nothing that will been uncourreggible and the final result will be much better than it was once.

Point is cleary here: you cannot pretend in any sense a professional work with no professional workers (and not paid for). Differently wikipedia is Wikibritannica or Citizendium. Being none of the two, it's clear that you simply could not pretend 'all, now and well' from anyone. If i will send the bill of over 1000++ workhrs to Jimmy Whales he would just laugh. So this display that wiki is not professional and consequently, wiki cannot pretend professionism from non-professists (and surely not paid).

As herrors, 1 every 100 bytes is not that bad. The revisional process is made just to remove herrors and mistakes, and not only syntax and grammar. And surely takes much less time to be made than write the whole stuff.

Apart this, i find 'funny' that while i have improved spelling and reduced the articles made, now i am simply roll-backed every time i try to write something. It's awful and unexplained.


5-Removing my 'personal attacks' to BillBC is fine, but excuse me, i don't talk of gratuitus attacks, i talk of precise facts, and you not ansewered to the first three points of previous post.

As example, BillBC has called me 'troll'. It's not true regardless of what i am doing here. So it's a sostantial p. attack. I was punished for such things, i fail to see why nobody can say nothing to Bill. He even rollback my 'critic posts' in his page, and there is no way to be heard by anyone. B-50, G.91, CF-104 are all ready to be 'analyzed' (already smelling of censur) and not from today, and nobody do it. This is a bit painful, what's the point to use sandbox while there is no interest to work togheter?

None animals ,as usual, was injured in the making of this post. I know that for sure, because after there were no survivors in laboratory gages.--Stefanomencarelli 16:25, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Page move

Hi, I am trying to move a page from "Lories and Lorikeets" to "Lories and lorikeets", which is standard heading format with non-capitalised words for words that are not proper nouns. "Lories and lorikeets" was a redirect page that I made and then blanked. It is usually possible to move a page over a redirect, but in this case there has now been 4 edits on this blanked redirect page and the software has preventing me for doing to the move, and says I should ask an administrator. There is some discussion about the name of the page on the talk page. Snowman 19:38, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I did that. Perhaps you could clean up the double redirects created? --John 19:42, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I can use AWB to fix the redirects. Snowman 19:45, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Edit-warring" accusation

John, As you are aware due to the tendency of some loyalist pov-pushers to complain to the management I keep a certain distance from certain sensitive articles - but I do watch, everything, like a hawk! I spotted your warning to User:Padraig and must protest in the strongest terms: the insertion of the sectarian symbol without agreement and while the Arbcom is still live is clearly the behaviour that should be stopped. If you don't like seeing Padraig reverting POV then if you took that task on board yourself it wouldn't be necessary. Also I feel that your view that 3 reversions of POV-pushing in 4 days is edit warring is unreasonable and I worry whether WP:NPV is being defended here. (Sarah777 21:53, 15 October 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Yes, to some people here, everyone who they disagree with is "POV-pushing". However if you look at WP:3RR, you will see there is quite deliberately no free pass granted for this, as there is in the case of simple vandalism. As you mature as an editor, you will find that everyone has a POV, and everyone is liable to occasionally make edits that reflect their own biases and preconception. Edit-warring is bad, full stop. If you fail to appreciate this, perhaps you are in the wrong project. There are always better ways to reach a solution; those who edit-war are definitely part of the problem, not part of the solution. --John 21:58, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As someone who does NOT edit-war I resent your suggestion that "perhaps you are in the wrong project". Perhaps you shouldn't be an Administrator if you can't keep a civil tongue? (Sarah777 22:12, 15 October 2007 (UTC))[reply]
Well indeed, if I couldn't keep a civil tongue I wouldn't be a good administrator. However, you are fundamentally wrong about my warning to Padraig. Criticising me for my warning to Padraig shows a major misunderstanding of our core values. I am glad you do not edit-war yourself; supporting others who do isn't all that much better though. Think about it, anyway. --John 22:16, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Criticising me for my warning to Padraig shows a major misunderstanding of our core values. No John, it shows a major concern for our core values. Reacting to my criticism by suggesting I might be "in the wrong project" shows a major misunderstanding of the role of an administrator. (Sarah777 22:25, 15 October 2007 (UTC))[reply]
Either you do or you don't understand that edit-warring is bad. If you do, you were wrong to leave the message. If you don't, you are indeed on the wrong project. --John 22:27, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I do understand that edit-warring is bad. Padraig was not edit-warring. and it should have been clear to you that that is my contention; not that edit-warring is OK. I was right to leave the message. You were wrong to suggest that I am on the wrong project. If you don't understand that, you, sir, are on the wrong project. (Sarah777 23:58, 15 October 2007 (UTC))[reply]

(deindent) Sarah, I do understand that your intentions are good here. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings by suggesting that you may be out of step with our core values here. However, Padraig was edit-warring, along with another user. I warned them both and started a discussion on the relevant article's talk page. I would do exactly the same thing again were the situation repeated. By "sticking up" for an editor who was edit-warring, you are actually helping nobody. --John 00:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you's don't mine me jumping in here, Sarah thanks for you concern, but I have no real problem with Johns message, although he and myself don't always see eye to eye I have found him very fair an helpful in his dealings with these disputes. Anyway hopefully this will put a end to most of the edit wars on the flag issue, a policy which John has been very supportive off.--Padraig 00:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I had found John fine (bar the odd spat) in the past but I thought suggesting I was unfit for my beloved project was a sore blow. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (flags) is excellent on my reading. (Sarah777 01:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC))[reply]
Well, I hope there are no lasting hurt feelings. Thanks to both of you for the nice things you said. I am glad you like WP:FLAG; I helped write it in a small way. --John 01:54, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PROD tagging of Oasis songs

I noticed that you recently tagged several articles on individual songs from the album (What's the Story) Morning Glory?, and I wanted to raise a few points in response to that. First, you neglected to notify the page creator, as the {{prod}} template suggests, and as is only common courtesy. I'm going to go ahead and do so for you now, but please try to keep it in mind in the future. Second, you suggest in your PROD rationale that the articles be merged into (What's the Story) Morning Glory?. A PROD nomination may not be the best means of achieving that aim, since the articles in question will be deleted outright without any sort of merge if they are not un-tagged at the conclusion of the interval. As such, in the future you might want to try tagging articles with {{mergeto}} and {{mergefrom}} templates instead. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 19:28, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. In practice there may be very little verifiable material there to merge; I think my rationale said something like "any material may be merged..". I don't really mind whether these are deleted or converted to redirects. I did raise what I was doing at Talk:Oasis (band).--John 21:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've made them redirects. Thanks for your advice. --John 23:39, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vandal

John, 131.94.172.86 is vandalising pages. Can you help? Sue Wallace 05:20, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, he seemed to stop after I emailed you, before that he/she was going like the clappers. Cheers. Sue Wallace 15:32, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The tunnel editing

This is broxliam and i didnt remove the video by accident i removed it because i dont think anyone would want to see this. All i seen was something like a crusafix with jesus on it. I think you should not put the video back on the artical, there is no point.

broxliam —Preceding unsigned comment added by Broxliam (talk • contribs) 07:49, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Essay

John, you might be interested in this essay I am working on just for fun. Feel free to contribute, if you have any ideas. Thanks. - BillCJ 20:04, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Bill, it looks good. I don't have anything to add at present. I hope your health is improving. --John 20:07, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lennon Image

Please don't remove without discussion. I adhere to 3RR religiously, so don't revert without discussion. Sixstring1965 00:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A free image is always preferable to a nonfree one, sorry. --John 00:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This one is free for use on Wikipedia. Sixstring1965 01:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is under Creative Commons. Sixstring1965 01:11, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was marked as non-commercial use only when I saw it. I still think it is a less good photo. I see you've reverted in spite of what you said above, so let's continue this at Talk:John Lennon. --John 01:21, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Ramones_album_cover.jpg

Yes. This picture is completely relevant to the article and is described by accompanying text in said article.

It's a seminal album.

That last part was a joke. I chuckled when I read your message on the WP:PUNK talk page because it's all true. No one will respond to the message though, WP:Punk is (for the most part) adandoned. --Endless Dan 12:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stefano

Hi John, since you've been recently involved with Stefanomencarelli, you might be interested in his filing of an ArbCom case, here: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Stefanomencarelli-Bzuk-BillCJ. AKRadeckiSpeaketh 16:16, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know. --John 16:31, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest to take a look on F-86 talk page as well, because there are some things sadly debated. In short, i added 700bites to complete performance of F-86 ( i thinked: lets' contribute with minimal non debatable work..), they were questioned, i gave written source, no they were not enough because written in italian, so i gave two links in english taht machted my datas. I displayed how they mathces and despite this, they were deleted. This stuff, that born just to contribute minimally without making troubles to 'other wikipedians' has began as usual, an edit-war. Bzuk is the main protagonist. I invite to check how happened, since with this latter issues i have lost at least 95% will to contibute. If even raw datas can be deleted with sources, links and whatever else given, well in this case i cannot really make nothing here. I don't want to spent $$$$ to buy english-books that could been debated as well. It's almost outrageus to me(=I write shxt, Sgarlato too, Baugher too).--Stefanomencarelli 14:26, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Seminal?

Hi John, thanks for you note re: Punk. Tbh, I never liked that word anyway, it always struck me as a euphemism for unsuccessful and obscure, but I bet that for each of the six or so instances of the word in the page, tens of cites could be found. Ceoil 19:08, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Diana, Princess of Wales

Hi John, wonder if I could ask your advice. I want to create a new article about the new Princess Diana trial but I don't want to "step on anybody's toes" so to speak. I'm trying to add-on up-to-date info. to the above article (which is almost completely about the Operation Paget report), but it's really messy. Do you think it would be out of order for me to create an article for the new inquest? Thanks in advance. Sue Wallace 21:59, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, thanks for asking. I'll have a think about that and get back to you. --John 22:54, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for taking a look and up-dating. I've also just noticed that there is already a separate article for Operation Paget! What do you think? I would normally have just created a new article but I know this is probably a sensitive subject and I don't want to get it wrong, also I don't know what I would call it! Maybe I should just add-on to the Operation Paget article. Sue Wallace 00:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still thinking about it. I hate to say it but it's a bit of a mess just now, isn't it? Let's take it to Talk:Death of Diana, Princess of Wales.--John 06:12, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree! Thanks for help. Sue Wallace 07:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jonestown, Sfacets, vandalism accusations, etc.

Well you were up late. If you've any thoughts on the situation, that you'd care to share, they're more than welcome. -- Lonewolf BC 02:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Heh no, I'm working on UTC -8 these days, so that was daytime for me. I hadn't noticed there had been a conflict about it; just thought the quote looked funny and checked it from the source. --John 03:44, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, my mistake, on two counts -- guessing that you were up late and guessing that your appearance on the article was not mere coincidence. All the same, can you tell me whether I have any recourse against the accusations of vandalism, the vexatious "warnings" etc. I'm inclined to just ignore it, but also wish for a better idea of what I might do about it if it carries on. I'm not asking you to intervene (though you'd be welcome to, as one of the more reasonable people I've dealt with on WP), but just for a bit of procedural information. If you'd rather stay altogether clear of business, though, that's okay.

Just out of curiousity (and begging your pardon if it crosses into nosiness) by "working on UTC -8" do you mean that actually in that time zone, at present?

-- Lonewolf BC 07:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will try to take a look. I am currently living in Northern California. Thank you for the kind comment.--John 15:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Number of Platforms at Haymarket and Waverley

If memory serves me correctly, you are based in the Edinburgh area. Can you confirm (or otherwise) the current number of platforms at Waverley and Haymarket. Several editors have been insisting that Haymarket only has four platforms, however when I was there in June - Platform 0 was in service.

There is also the ongoing issue regarding the number of operational platforms at Waverley - I would bow to the greater knowledge of User:Signalhead as he has been working on the resignalling project, however there are others who believe they know better.

I think a Mark 1 eyeball is required in this instance. --Stewart (talk) 08:09, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for remembering; however I am no longer based in Edinburgh but in California. I may be able to ask someone to go down and take photos etc. --John 15:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How am I doing?

Hi. Apologies for disturbing you as I know you are busy but I haven't really got much feedback from you on how I am doing in my admin coaching. Is it ok if you could leave some comments of how you think Im doing at User talk:Tbo 157/Admin coaching#How am I doing?, when you have a bit of time. This would be greatly appreciated as it would help me to identify any weak areas I may have. Thanks. Tbo 157(talk) (review) 11:18, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'll try to look today. I have an idea in mind. --John 16:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much. Tbo 157(talk) (review) 17:09, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me good and upright gentleman!

Can you answer me why you deleted rationalwiki, man to man, without the ridiculous legal mumbo jumbo?Concernedcitizen102 19:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Flags

If you feel so strongly about flags being posted will you be removing all the Scottish & Welsh flags or is this just another anti-English agenda? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.81.74 (talk) 00:35, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Flag Debate

You claim that flags add nothing to an article but it seems strange that nearly all Scots & Welsh artists have their national flags displayed and as for US related pages they have both national & state flags showing. My question is why are these not removed? It would seem that there is an underlying form of racism in the editing of this site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.108.183.154 (talk) 11:11, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's a wiki. You can edit it rather than moaning about how others have edited it. --John 15:15, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Assistance on article about TP425

Any assistance would be helpful, thanks. I'm a rookie in wikipedia so I'm still learning stuff, but I'd like to contribute with some knowledge.
It doesn't help that Crum375 keeps deleting my articles. Any idea on how/if i can get it back, so i can change the contents? Thanks Nelievsky 13:02, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Already rewrote the article. I hope it now complies with the requirements. Later ill improve the article. Thanks Nelievsky 15:09, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Editing Pages

Hi you told me to stop moaning and edit the pages but when I do you seem hell bent on changing them back even if I believe them to be useful to other users from across the globe reason being that over the last few years the UK has been broken up into four nations with their own Parliaments & Assemblies and many feel the Union flag is obsolete so many people outside the UK will not recognise these new flags that's where the educational part comes in. Also there was no ambiguity in any of the editing as you cant get anymore English than Wembley stadium, Stonehenge or Bobby Moore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.108.184.146 (talk) 20:38, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:FLAG, as I already said. --John 02:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Civility

I am so sick and tired of this user E tac. He vandalized an article talk page twice, which I warned him about. He calls the edits harmless and erased my warnings. I don't know what else to do. RyguyMN 06:08, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is what I have a problem with: The edits include this and this on the Adrian L. Peterson talk page, as well as this edit to my talk page which he asks me if I'm "high", another incoherent edit to my talk page here, and a personal attack calling me a "prude" (see here). RyguyMN 06:12, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently the user had been drinking and was intoxicated when he made the edits. I think I've heard it all now. That explains the erratic behavior. RyguyMN 06:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hey John, I am trying to but he keeps accusing me of things that I didn't do. He went to war with me based on a couple of somewhat incoherient edits that were in no way malicious or anything like that on a talk page and refuses to let it go. --E tac 06:30, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Depeche Mode vandalism

Hi John,

I noticed that you sought to bring a more balanced slant to the Depeche Mode article, particularly the recent albums section. However, if you look into the edit history, you will see that there are repeated RVs by what I call wiki-trolls to re-instate unsubstantiated and negative commentary. I have taken pains to revert it back to your edit, but they keep vandalizing the page. It may be the same person under different names, but I can't tell. Is it possible for you to do something to halt their assaults on the page? Thanks, BGC 13:06, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you again. I have added the IP to the SP report. --John 18:30, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ah well, I've removed the preceding message which was meant primarily for BGC. Apologies. Garik 11 22:00, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
John, User:91.168.88.152 appears to have joined in - our sockpuppet seems to have found another IP. BGC 20:50, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Better add User:MrTwentyThree to that list. He just vandalized the Depeche Mode page. BGC 13:34, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've blocked both. Thanks yet again. --John 14:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jade Goody

Hi John, me again. On the Jade Goody article I decided to take out what I thought was a controvertial poorly cited paragraph which they The Sun allege that Goody had liposuction and had deceived the public. After reading Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons "Questionable sources are those with a poor reputation for fact-checking or with no editorial oversight". I deleted it because I felt the info source (The Sun) as a tabloid, wasn't reliable, and I couldn't find any other reliable independent sources that backed it up, the only other sites that mention it are blogs and chatrooms. But someone restored it, should I just let it go? Sue Wallace 22:39, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with your take on this; others may disagree. Let's see what happens; I've removed the offending passage for now. --John 17:09, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that, at least it's a bit more balanced now. In regards to Jade, The Sun was well-known for their "Burn the Pig" headlines, so they're certainly not neutral where she's concerned. Sue Wallace 21:28, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, sorry just wanted you to know I didn't mean to cause you any trouble re this article. Sue Wallace 03:33, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Aw no Sue, no trouble at all. I know I caused you annoyance with the way I handled the whole flags thing. I still think I was right, but I hate being in conflict with good people and you are clearly a good person with good intentions for the project. Anything else I can ever do to help you, just say. --John 03:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I got silly with the whole flag thing, I hope it's all but forgotten, I'm quite embarrased about it really. Thanks, I will continue to accept your offers of help, (poor you)! Have a v. good weekend. Sue Wallace 14:55, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Users who make legal threats are blocked only while the legal threat is outstanding. Since the user retracted the threat, I have unblocked her. -- Merope 14:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That I did not see. I've issued a warning; further instances of personal attacks and gross incivility will result in a block. -- Merope 14:42, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

I am reverting an anon IP who is removing info with no discussion, and I only reverted twice.--Padraig 21:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
He has made 4 reverts are you going to block him.--Padraig 21:35, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Seeing as he has made 5 reverts on Flag of Northern Ireland two since you warned him, and has now started edit warring on Flag of Ireland are you going to block him.--Padraig 22:49, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
He made it to 6 before I blocked him. I was away from the computer for a while (yes, it does happen!). If it happens again you can always try WP:AN3. Best wishes, --John 22:53, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, can you please revert his edit warring, the Union Flag already exists in the Flag of Ireland article in the Historic flags template, and the Tricolour is discussed in the Flag of Northern Ireland article and has been there for months.--Padraig 22:58, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, I have thought about it and I decline to do that. Firstly, it would be unethical to effectively join the edit war in an instance where I have taken administrative action. Secondly, I am not that unhappy if the articles remain in their current states. Obviously this would be a different answer if it was simple vandalism (inserting rude words or the like). As it is not that but a content dispute I prefer to remain aloof from it. I will unhesitatingly block anyone who I see edit-warring on Wikipedia; next to incivility, it presents (I believe) the greatest danger to the future of this project. All participants in an edit war always believe they are right; that makes it worse somehow. Sorry about the lecture but I wanted to explain that I am not simply being unhelpful here but that there is a rationale at work here. I hope you understand. --John 23:10, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thats ok, I removed the one from the Flag of Ireland article as it just duplicated the one in the template, I also believe our anon IP is a established editor using an IP on account of the ongoing mediation I am involved in on the flag issue. I have no intention of getting involved in edit wars on this issue I have all the proof I need here to remove the Ulster banner where it is not use in the correct context The Union Flags and flags of the United Kingdom.--Padraig 23:20, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hes back again 84.65.92.200.--Padraig 23:28, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm onto him. Thanks; hey, though, there is nothing to stop you placing the warning yourself. Might (slightly) speed the process up. --John 23:29, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hes still at it and will continue until he's blocked, this is how most of the edit wars start, I am trying to avoid them.--Padraig 23:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have just blocked him. You deserve praise for resisting the temptation to edit-war. Have faith in your fellow editors; if it is a good edit, somebody else will come along and fix it. If nobody does, maybe it isn't that good or important a thing in the first place. --John 23:34, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thats not good editing, thats being disruptive, give him five minutes and he'll back again.--Padraig 23:39, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, it is becoming disruptive so I have also protected the article. --John 23:40, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can I now revert the Northern Ireland article seeing as he been block twice now for what amounts to vandalism, or do you want to do it so you can also protect it as well, because he only only target that next.--Padraig 23:44, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, neither of us should do it. I should not because I have taken administrative action over it, and I believe you should not either because you are under some sort of revert parole. Forgive me if I am wrong on that point. --John 23:46, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have not been informed of any decision on arbcom to that effect, they seem to be undecided on how to proceed on that, so far.--Padraig 00:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, sorry. I wasn't sure what if anything had been decided. Obviously it is up to you then what to do; but please bear what I said above in mind, if you can. --John 00:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Someone else reverted it, and theres no sign of the IP back yet, so it may be ok, on the arbcom they haven't agreed to a blanket probation on everyone listed, on account of differences in the behaviour of those involved, so until they sort that out we will have to wait and see, anyway no evidence really was presented against me by anyone, I admitted myself being involved in edit wars on the flag issue.--Padraig 00:26, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

John can you sort this out seems he back agin and starting to be disruptive again.--Padraig 22:29, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Its ok I put a message on his talk page and he seems to have stopped.--Padraig 23:14, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Botswana

Crime Expo Site

Yo Buddy,

Didn't the website change from crimexposouthafrica.org to crimexposouthafrica.net ? You sound like an expert on this so maybe you can explain. The current wiki looks only like part of a smear campaign giving false information.

I dont understand why you would revert my update and quote from the newer site. I did in fact leave information in the comment line about the change was the change from .org to .net. Still seems to be a false article but I'll leave this all on your boat.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.195.181.162 (talk)

I'm awfully sorry. I must have missed that one factual change in among all the very non-WP:NPOV changes you made to the article. You are welcome to restore that change or else I shall, as it is verifiable. Other than that, please discuss any controversial changes in article talk, and make sure to have reliable sources for everything you wish to add. Thanks, --John 06:13, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Castlemilk Wiki page

Hi John my name is James and i own the website prideofglasgow.com i know wiki has nofollow tag and you should know there is very little benefit from adding your web address to the page but i feel my website holds upto date information and news for the Castlemilk area and my site will show visitors how Castlemilk is changing. My site has a great following from people abroad they hold my website highly and so do i. I added my website address after i looked at your discussion page sorry but please have a good look at my website it hold all the current information anyone could ever need. I don't make any money from my website and it is a private project of mine so i could't care less if i benefit from the link or not. This in mind can you please have a look at my website, i have so much more to add to it and it's getting better and better. Also i am adding a great history section that will give Castlemilk the recognition it deserves, it isn't a slum although i do believe Castlemilk is on the verge of anarchy and something needs to be done again watch my website. Regards ~~~~James~~~~

Warning Vandals

I noticed with this comment that you proceeded straight to a {{uw-vandalism3}} tag without progressing through the 1-2-3-4 escalation ladder. Shouldn't you have started with a level 1 warning? Ryan (talk/contribs) 22:20, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, the user in question had made three unequivocally bad-faith edits at the point where I intervened, so they got a L-3 straight off. I notice you followed my warning with a L-2 and an L-3 warning of your own. I have now blocked them for vandalism; it seemed to me that five bad edits in quick succession after several warnings, was plenty. I hope that helps you understand my take on this. --John 22:25, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sock puppet trouble

John, Alan seems to be offline this evenig, so could you help me out? Alan's wiki-stalker sock puppet, User:Wikzilla, is back at the F-22 Raptor page, per this diff, his 5 edit/revert on the page so far today. Full info on Wikzilla is on Alan's talk page, if your not familar witht he problem. Thanks for whatever you can do. - BillCJ 04:18, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've warned them against 3RR; next time you could do that yourself. I am not privy to the case you're talking about, so I can't do anything more. If they revert again I'll block them for 3RR. Sorry I can't be more help to you at the moment. --John 04:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

hey pal

your warning would hold more weight if you warned User:Deb for her persistent reversions of my work. til then i'll have to ignore ya.

Yabbadabbawho 16:41, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you can have 24 hours of ignoring me during your block. If you ever do anything like that again, your next block will be indefinite. Civility is important here. --John 17:19, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Neil Innes edit

Hi, John,

The information I added about Neil Innes comes from the Internet Movie Database and also an official MySpace page constructed for Neil Innes by Sean Connors Productions called "The 7th Python". Sean Connors also has an official MySpace page about another of his productions of one of his movies, a horror film I believe. I think it is called "Psyche House." He is also a model. Neil Innes also has an official MySpace page called "The Ego Warriors." Neil has many fans on MySspace who met him and got his autograph. We are a network to pass around information about Neil. He is also on the Enygma Graphics website. They are the company who distributes his music. I believe a friend of his named Danny Barbour owns the Enygma site. There is also information about him at neilinnes.org. I will try later to learn how to do the citation properly. I've never added anything to Wikipedia before.

Thank you for your attention.

[email protected] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bamp1959 (talk • contribs) 20:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting on disambiguation pages

Regarding this, note that using piped links and italicization is appropriate per WP:MOSDAB#Piping. --PEJL 18:31, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Huh, thank you, I didn't know that. --John 18:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Admin transparency

John, I just wanted to drop you a note so as to be transparent in my actions, and have someone else looking over my shoulder on it. I'm sure you're familiar with the ongoing Wikzilla/IP sockpupptet and troll issues. The IP added another troll attack here, inserting himself into the middle of an unrelated harrassment dispute involving other users. I removed the personal attack material. The owner of the talk page then objected to my removing material from his talk. I replied both on my talk and on his regarding the nature of the material, and that it was a personal attack from a troll, and was appropriately remove. Instead of respecting this, User:ThreeE added the material back in. Since he's had other civility/harrassment warnings, including a final warning from me, I considered a deliberate re-adding of the troll material, after the explanation of its nature, to be harrassment on his part, and blocked him for 24 hours. Because the block didn't apply to his talk page, he re-added it yet again, and I re-removed it. This is to the point that I need outside review of the situation, to ensure I'm acting appropriately. If, after review, you disagree with me, I am happy to be overruled. Thanks for the time! AKRadeckiSpeaketh 20:34, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Let me have a look at it Alan. Give me a few minutes please. --John 20:39, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I've continued discussions, and in order to make sure I'm assuming good faith, I've lifted the block. Your review is still much appreciated, though. AKRadeckiSpeaketh 20:43, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I had thought it was worked out, but evidently ThreeE is insisting on adding the material back in. I'm tempted to reimpose the block, but I'm now too involved for it to be appropriate. Whatever you decide is fine with me. AKRadeckiSpeaketh 21:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I have removed the material again and warned the user against restoring it. --John 21:46, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the outside look. I think I'm gonna go destressify myself and upload some pics to commons. Thanks again! AKRadeckiSpeaketh 21:52, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You are most welcome. Take care, --John 21:54, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I was just wanting to know why you delete external links that are entirely relevant. It doesn't make sense to delete outside links to legitimate resources. Thanks,— Preceding unsigned comment added by Edgeofthecity (talk • contribs)

See WP:EL. --John 06:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Second Gulf War

This can go on for a long time John. Don't make the same mistake others did. Get the article fixed. Do your job.162.84.178.69 —Preceding comment was added at 07:14, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I am doing. --John 07:18, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edit War at Home signal

Hi John - Can you cast your eye over recent edits at Home signal (Talk). User:I B Wright (contribs) (who on his talk page claims to be an aerospace engineer) has been make postings that an professional in the signalling field (User:Signalhead • contribs) is disagreeing with and the talk page is getting heated. This morning anon editor User:62.188.132.67 (contribs) has joined in, to the point where I would suggest that this could be the same user making a point without logging in. I hope I am wrong, however your thoughts on the matters would be useful. --Stewart (talk) 09:47, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please also see the discussion on my talk page. For various reasons, I am convinced that it was User:I B Wright who made the edits to Home signal as User:86.148.143.220 and User:86.133.160.144. This editor has been quite uncivil towards me and has wrongly accused me of vandalism and of breaching the 3RR rule. Signalhead 12:41, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I will take a look. Thanks for telling me. --John 20:03, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
For your info, note that User:I B Wright (contribs) has also been posting anonymously as User:20.133.0.14. See the latter's contributions for the trademark references to Cornwall, BAE Systems, and railway signalling related topics - which I had to make numerous corrections to as well. Signalhead 20:48, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

re. Linca's RfA

Hey again John, and thanks for the note. I don't intend on running for a while - I used to be heavily immersed in admin type stuff, and just got sick of it. Anyway, I understand your point about arguing against policy, and I'm not going to start an IAR debate about it. Thanks for the clarification, and happy editing! Cheers, Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 06:35, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi John,

I wasn't intening to spam, I am actually leaving links to an independent comedy website which lists dates of various comics tours and such like, and more info on that person. I shall look into the things you have told me about to see if there is a better way of doing this.

Apologies,

Lisa —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisachortle (talk • contribs) 11:54, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Changes.

I feel that is exactly what has been happening to my changes. I'm trying to make the article more fair and neutral, yet these users constantly undo my work and then accuse me of vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by M5891 (talk • contribs) 17:07, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"When several people are reverting out your changes to an article, it is usually a good sign that your changes do not enjoy consensus support."

It has always been the same one or two users constantly undoing my changes. In fact, they now seem to be following me around purposely undoing my edits regardless of the content.

"As we work by consensus here, continually reinserting changes removed by others is deeply frowned upon."

That is exactly what these same users have been doing. It is not so easy to see how many agree with my changes since they won't really edit anything. It is easy to see who disagrees since they will insistantly revert whatever I have added or rearranged.

I suppose that the only way to resolve this is to block further editing of the article by all users. —Preceding unsigned comment added by M5891 (talk • contribs) 17:32, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A request.

Please read the following articles and then decide if I'm right or wrong.

A CULTURAL IDENTITY

Separated by a common language: The case of the white Hispanic

I would appreciate it. M5891 21:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

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Thanks for reverting vandalism on my talk page. Happy editing. --Hdt83 Chat 22:45, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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