Talk:List of pagans

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Fluffy Wiccan's?

Can we please move people who the Pagan community consider to be fluffy into a catogory (or mark them as fluffy) to distinguish between serious practitioners, and authors, and those who consider Paganisum, and Witchcraft as a fad,

exsamples include:

Horne, Fiona - continues to premote witchcraft as a fad, [1]
Ravenwolf, Silver - used to be a good auther, however has gone down hill, from about her book "Solitary Witch"[2]

I know these refrances seem to come from a narrow source, however they are a recognised site, google will find more refrances as well.

SkippyUK 10:35, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

pagans or Pagans?

English is not my native language so could someone please explain why we have "List of pagans" instead of "List of Pagans". I thought the names of religions always was written with capitals in English. It may be considered offensive by some Pagans. // Liftarn

A difficult call - I renamed the page to the uncapitalized form. Note that the Pagan (small p!) page talks about the 1st millennium AD kind of pagan, distinct from the Neopaganism which is sometimes the name given to the present-day religion. In its present state the list is about modern Pagans, who should perhaps be given a capital, but then the list should be List of Neopagans to be consistent and more precise, even if not all modern Pagans appreciate the term (see Talk:Pagan). -- Hotlorp

Nott all Pagans are Neopagans. Some are Mesopagans or Paleopagans... So I think "Pagan" should be used. I'd hate to think that only some religions are seen as "real" enough to deserve to be capitalized. // Liftarn

As a Pagan, (one who folows a Pagan religion) I capitalise my religion, in the same way as followers of Christ (Christians) capitalise Christanity. ergo my vote goes to "List of Pagans" SkippyUK 10:15, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the following entries from the list. This is because 1) I can find no evidence that these people are actual practicing or believing pagans, as opposed to writing fiction about it 2) This web site [3] lists them as non-pagans or rumoured pagans.

Marion Zimmer Bradley - author, fantasy and science fiction, magazine editor.
Timothy Leary - author
Donna Haraway - philosopher and sociologist

DJ Clayworth 16:08, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Neopagans or Pagans?

All people listed here are Neopagans. Unless we want to start including Homer, Julius Caesar, Muwatalli, Psammetichus and Aristotle, I propose a move to list of Neopagans. dab (ᛏ) 11:36, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No, there are several that aren't modern time, but you have a point. I'll add those. // Liftarn

So will we be including all articles on non-Jews who died before the 3rd Century AD? I think there's a point at which this list becomes too broad to be meaningful; is it really significant to note that Julius Caesar (or Homer!) was a pagan? Nae'blis 22:44:57, 2005-09-07 (UTC)

As you can see I have tried to sort them according to religion. When the list gets too long we can split it into several articles. // Liftarn

Seems to me the list was intended originally as one of people calling themselves Pagans or pagans (many of whom will not call thenmselves neopagans). Did Julius Caesar or Homer ever apply either label to themselves? Perhaps the article should be List of modern pagans. Laurel Bush 09:33, 8 September 2005 (UTC).[reply]

No, I don't see the point in splitting it according to time, but when it has grown larger it would perhaps be an ide to split according to relgions, i.e. creating List of Wiccans et.c. // Liftarn

ancient (pre-Chrisianization) pagans

It is pointless to add random Greco-Romans or Egyptian pharaohs. We have a list of pharaohs -- will you copy-paste the entire list here, together with the complete list of Hittite, Assyrian, Elamite and early Germanic rulers? please. I am removing all those random pre-Christian entries. I am also removing all people whose article does not specifically state, prefeably citing some reference, that they self-describe as 'pagan'. 81.63.63.37 09:50, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Why is is pointless? I have readded them and please do no remove them again until you can come up with a good reason. // Liftarn

my reason is, why the hell do you insist on Aristotle, Homer, the Psammtichuses and Pybba, and not the whole list of Anglo-Saxon monarchs and the whole list of Pharaohs, and the whole list of classical Greek philosophers? That is totally unsystematic, and just a little bit weird. Every individual prior to 30 AD, and every one of the billion or so Hindus, is "pagan", it is completely unreasonable to list every person who never even came in contact with an Abrahamic religion. At least restrict your list to people who were notable for being pagan, in the face of Christianization efforts. Psammetichus certainly doesn't qualify for that, nor does Homer or Aristotle. 83.79.189.191 11:44, 21 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't got around to adding them. And I would prefer to add those who are famous for being Pagans, like Gwenc'hlan, Hypatia of Alexandria and Lalli or notable in some other way. By the way, Hindus are listed in List of Hindus (and note that they also include people who are not mainly known for their religion). // Liftarn

yes? so? why do you keep reverting? Hypatia of Alexandria would be a fine addition, I admit. Until you do get around to adding him, I have got around to cleaning up the gratuitous pharaohs. Baad 13:53, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hypatia was added, it was you who deleted the entry. // Liftarn

did I? probably because you added the bleeding Psammetichuses, again. Look, I am actually chuckling over this. Your edits don't do a lot of damage, they are just completely random and cranky. What is your thing with Homer and the Psammetichuses in particular? I would add other random pharaohs and Sumerian notables if I was in a surreal mood, but that would be WP:POINT. 83.77.216.101 17:30, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

unsubstantiated

I have removed people with no reference to their being pagan in their articles. Before you re-add any of them, describe their being pagan, citing sources, on their article. Just havin an interest in the occult, fantasy or science fiction, being lesbian or libertarian is not enough: these people need to unambiguously self-describe as 'pagan', 'wiccan', 'druid', 'heathen' or whatever. Also, there shouldn't be people listed here without an article, since that makes it hard to verify. Also, we have serious notability issues here. Why would seemingly random people like Marion Woolley even have Wikipedia articles? 81.63.63.37 10:07, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Move from List of pagans

I have moved this article to the correct capitalization as requested above. When I went to delete the old copy, I noticed that a copy/paste move was done four years ago, so I have fixed this. This is my first attempt at such a thing ... and it looks like everything is right ... but feel free to yell and scream loudly if I did it wrong. ;) --BigDT 02:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks nice. Thanks. // Liftarn

Including fictional Pagans?

Should we include fictional Pagans here or perhaps have them in a separate article? Like Tarot, Allure, Willow Rosenberg and Zatanna (Wiccan), Ham - the Weather Wizard Druid (Cadre of the Immortal) and Doctor Druid (Druidism obviously), Eleggua, Chango, Oya, Ogun and Oshun (Santeria), Leslie Thompkins, Alchemiss and Storm ("Goddess-Worshippers"), Osiris (Cadre of the Immortal), Birdman, Black Adam, Cleopatra , Hawkman, Hawkgirl, Khonshu, Moon Knight, Kemit Kutie and Isis (Egyptian classical religion)[4] // Liftarn

My gut reaction is no. At least not in this article. Whereas it's easier to find out what sort of Pagan an actual, living (or even dead) person considers (or considered) themselves, doing so for fictional characters could get a bit iffy. Especially as, in fiction, the portrayal of a character's religion may be wildly inaccurate for the label the author gave them. And what on earth makes you list the Orisha as "fictional"? - Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 15:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Notability. Seriously, Moon Knight?? At best provide a list of notable pagan characters in actual literature, such as Röde Orm (who incidentially converts to Christianity in his 20s). As with historical people (we don't list Naram-Sin), only consider characters who are notable for being pagan in contradistinction to Christianity. dab (𒁳) 15:50, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]