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Hello Avnative and welcome to Wikipedia! Hope you like it here, and stick around.

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Oh, no problem. Glad to have you here. As for the degree signs, I don't know how to do them; I'd recommend the help desk. Best wishes, [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 01:50, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Palmdale, California

I'm delighted to see another level-headed person take an interest in this article. I encourage you to clean up the article along the lines of your comments on the Talk:Palmdale, California page. For my part, I can't really contribute much. I came upon the situation essentially by accident. The anon who turned the article into a Chamber of Commerce brochure had also made such strikingly bad edits to a couple of articles on my watchlist that I thought it would be prudent to see what else he'd been up to. If there's anything I can help with, though, especially in terms of general Wikipedia knowledge, please let me know. For example, in case you haven't yet gotten the info, you make a degree sign by typing an ampersand, then the letters "deg" (no quotes, of course), then a semicolon: ° JamesMLane 07:47, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)

  • I appreciate your kind words, Mr. Lane. It looked to me that you stumbled into the Palmdale article situation as you described. Wonderful you did what you did - as you have seen, there are people here that are promoters of (you fill in the blank) and then there are those here with a realistic orientation based on facts. I run into both types all the time. . . BTW, the anon writer also stated several geographical non-truths as far as communities surrounding Palmdale (e.g., Leona Valley is 'west' of Palmdale, and not south, etc.), so your catching those bad edits on your watchlist wasn't the only garbage spewing forth. . .
  • Glad for your kind ear to any help I may need. Thanks again, and Happy Trails to you! --avnative 15:18, Aug 1, 2004 (UTC)
  • Mr. Avnative - Technically speaking, Leona Valley is South of Palmdale. It is located southwest of the civic center though. Leona Valley has it's town center around 90th Street West and the Palmdale city limits extend past that point out to 110th Street West. That means that if you head north out of Leona Valley, you will be in Palmdale technically speaking. You may not be in the populated area of the city, but nonetheless, if you look at the outline of the city limits, Leona Valley will still appear south.

An Invitation to Dinner

Dear Anon, I'm inviting you to dinner with me. I'll pay! Please see Talk:Palmdale, California for details. --avnative 16:25, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)

Sounds great, but I work as an EMT, so I work 12-18 hour shifts almost 6 days a week to make ends meet. We don't make a lot of money for what we do, so we have to make up for it in overtime. AMR only pays $9 an hour for what we do. Not really fair I think. We have a really hard job, not just physically, but emotionally. Especially when kids are involved, it's hard. We are really underpaid. Problem is, 45% of the calls we run, we (the company AMR) don't get paid for, because so many people are without health insurance.
Understand your work and situation, anon. I certainly have great respect for your work as an EMT with AMR. (I still remember Wilson Ambulance. - sigh) Please see my further response in the next section you started. Thanks, and take care! --avnative 11:54, Aug 13, 2004 (UTC)

Making an accurate unbiased entry

In creating the webpage entry for the city, I only tried to mimic the same type of information given about other cities of similar size like Boise, Salt Lake City, Little Rock (AR), Orlando, etc...

Why is everyone so biased against where we live that we are only entitled to the same amount of fame and glory as Barstow and Blythe? It's just like they portray us in the movies as a bus stop and 6 houses (Bubble Boy), or a sign in the middle of nowhere saying "Palmdale 5 Miles" (Volcano). 5 Miles from the Civic Center, you're still in the middle of the city. Or in AT&T commercials as a lone house in the desert. Everyone has the misinformed impression that we are a rural community and I am tired of it. We are not a rural community or even a semi-rural community. We are totally urban and suburban. Leona Valley is rural. Acton is rural. Neenach is rural. Littlerock is semi-rural. Lake Los Angeles is semi-rural. Palmdale and Lancaster are not. With so much negative exposure, I feel compelled to revert in the complete opposite direction, to almost glorify it, to balance it out. But encyclopedia's cannot be biased. They state facts, merely facts. That's all.

I typed, what is factual information regarding our area. Every piece of imformation that I gave can be found in a book or on a website somewhere. I didn't make it up.

Does Palmdale have a metro? Yes (even according to the census #4010) Are Ridgecrest, Cal City, Boron, Rosamond, Acton, Leona Valley, and Tehachapi dependent on Palmdale for basic necessities? Yes. Are they suburbs then? Yes. - All facts. When I said that those aerospace companies were based here, the City of Palmdale's website says that "Palmdale Regional Airport/Air Force Plant 42 is home to Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and BAE Systems..." That is why I put that the way I did. I said what the city said, so if they want to contest it, the city is the one who made the claim not I. Where something is headquartered and where the actual work the company does are two different things. There is no city in the world that has built or tested as many different aircraft as Palmdale. It is truthfully the "Aerospace Capital of the World."

So I joked around with a couple of other pages like Atlanta and Las Vegas (Las Vegas is still not the Entertainment Capital of the World, L.A. is. Vegas is the gambling and stage show capital, but not much more.), and I shouldn't have done that. But I am serious about this page and I want it presented as a factual entry. Yeah, hotel listings and restaurants are better suited for WikiTravel (which I checked and they aren't even listed. The article is still a stub.), I agree. I was new to the system then and I put every bit of pertinent information that I could think of on the page. But the city's page is still worthy of having a map and picture, a real history section, and a local events and places section. Maybe even a timeline of important dates of events from the Ft. Tejon quake, to incorporation of the city, to the recent opening of the expanded Airpark.

Right now the history section is a weblink that the library is allowing us to use, but I think that it should be actually typed into the article instead of having a link redirect someone to another site. One of us needs to write a history without plagiarizing the library's website.
There is also no entry listing for the Town of Lake Los Angeles or the Villages of Pearblossom or Llano. Did you want to type them?
The entry for Desert View Highlands is also innaccurate. It lists it as a town when it is not. It does not have a town hall, chamber of commerce, nor a town center, or own zip-code. It is really an unincorporated neighborhood housing tract, in Palmdale, completely surrounded by the city. It is also in the 2006 designation for annexation into the city when the hospital is completed across the street.

Speaking of the hospital... I am so happy we are finally getting another one. It will make my job so much easier and convenient to carry out. We need another 4 and we'll be perfect.

Maybe I'll eventually have time off during some normal daylight hours so I can take you up on that offer.

Dear anon, I've read your entry above (as well as your thoughts since your first edit to the Palmdale article) and I would have to say your thoughts are progressing in a good way. At the present, however, I don't have the time to give a lengthly response to your concerns due to my conference not having finished yet (I'm in the valley on an emergency run). Next week I should be able to get back to you more fully. Thanks for your kind understanding and your patience! --avnative 12:04, Aug 13, 2004 (UTC)

Response

The cities you selected (SLC, Boise, etc.) are all state capitals (excepting Orlando). The states involved have far less population than California. The cities selected are also all with larger population than Palmdale. Not exactly a fair comparison, eh?

Who is this "everyone" you refer to? Wikipedia users (editors) are not interested in making a biased article on Palmdale, including myself. Palmdale as portrayed in the Bubble Boy and Volcano films are not accurate portrayals, nor were they at the time of filming.

Depending on which direction you go from the Palmdale City Hall (civic center), five miles away could land you in urbanized areas, or rural ones. But I get your drift. Speaking of AT&T commercials, the one you refer to was filmed fairly close to Mojave (the phone number involved has a (760) 373 prefix to it, according to a story in the Valley Press archives. Mojave is 35 miles away from Palmdale. Please stick to the facts, and not emotions. . .

Let's agree that according to the US Census Bureau, Palmdale is classified as an urban area, though there are semi-rural and rural parts of land within its annexed boundaries. Fair enough? (smile)

Let's also remember that a city's suburban area is defined not by Wikipedia (WP) users (such as you and I), nor by commercial Internet websites, and not by those with a particular point of view one way or the other (such as GAVEA) but by an unbiased entity that can be trusted such as (in this case) the US Census Bureau. You and I may say in everyday language to people we see everyday that Acton is a suburb of Palmdale, but the Census folks don't say it, and so Wikipedia's Palmdale article must not say it either. Capiche? (French for "got it?") (loose translation) See, we have to wait for the Census to say what you've said above about Palmdale and suburbs. . . then, and only then may we say it the way you yearn for.

Your hyperbole in describing Palmdale in the Wikipedia (WP) article to date predisposes me to check out the accuracy of your statements. Your credibility suffers as a result. The way to describe aerospace operations in Palmdale is to say ". . .has major operations in Palmdale. . ." and not "is headquartered in Palmdale." Problem solved, eh? I'm well aware of the "Aerospace Capital of the World" saying, and before saying it (as opposed to saying "Palmdale has a rich history in aviation and aerospace production and development") I'd have it checked out first - and footnoted with the source. Accuracy is something Wikipedia ought always strive for, and wild claims and hyperbole discredit the Wikipedia project, in my humble opinion.

Thought to consider: just because a website or a Palmdale city document or Internet site said thus and so, does not make it so. It is not yet a checked-out, verified fact. Independent sources and academic research are necessary before stating something is fact. Example: did you know neighboring Lancaster is (or at least was) the headquarters of the Flat Earth Society? (No, I'm not making this up!) Say if they had a webpage stating "the earth is flat". . . would it be prudent to go the Earth Wikipedia page and edit it to say "the earth is flat?" Nooooooooooo. . . Statements must be checked out and verified in accepted academic fashion. Encyclopedias such as Wikipedia are after all, collections of academic knowledge. Even if your point of view was that the world is flat, to say so as fact would fly in the face of academic knowledge, acceptance, and scrutiny. You would be very much discredited. And that's the crux of the situation regarding the Palmdale article, IMHO. Our dear anon contributor editor has so extravagantly hyperbolized statements about Palmdale - and plainly wishes Palmdale were a city of international reknown, like Los Angeles, Rome, Paris and Tokyo that the credibility of our anon friend is not on the best level (though some change in thought is apparent in a good way).

Let's remember that WP is an online encyclopedia, nothing more. (Please see WP:WWIN). It's not a message board, a place to put an individual homepage, an advertising board, a Chamber of Commerce lackey, or a place to write about your hopes and dreams. It's an academic online reference, and ought to be treated seriously. It can't say and cover everything.

Now as to the contents of the Palmdale WP article: it certainly could have a picture (coming soon). A map is beyond my expertise. A "real" history section would be too long for WP (WP is not paper) but an overview like what I did for Antelope Valley is well within reason. Anything extra can be sourced via external links at the end of the article. Local events and places. . . probably not. The goal is to educate encyclopedia readers from all over the world, not to be a mouthpiece for city council or the real estate industry. (Though I think Blackbird & Heritage Airparks along with Plant 42 deserve mention.) A timeline would be worthy of Rome or Paris or Los Angeles, but not Palmdale. Palmdale is not as significant an incorporated city within Los Angeles County compared to the big kahuna, LA.

The best way to make available the Palmdale city Library's Palmdale history information online is the way it presently is - on an external link. This saves the Wikipedia project money and computer bandwidth space, and interested users of the Palmdale article's page may peruse such data at their discretion. Typing it over again is superfluous, and unfair to other cities represented on WP.

Anyone may edit (write) an article on WP. It is a collaborative effort. You don't need my permission. You may choose to write about whatever you wish, whenever you desire. For more info, please read over Wikipedia: Welcome, newcomers. You may at this point wish to create an account. That would help document your contributions to all concerned and express your willingness to contribute to building (not being unconstructive with rants and needless "jokes") WP as a reputable place for reliable, free information. Please keep in mind as you write what Wikipedia is not. There are Wikipedia:Administrators (trusted folks) who oversee what you and I write, and there are Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines that need to be followed to be a successful contributor. It's not hard, actually in being one. . . (smile)

Regarding Desert View Highlands (DVH): it is a recognized US Bureau of the Census tract (physical land entity). The article, if you would look on the history page, was started by Ram Man and his Bot, Ram Bot. In working toward a goal to have all the physical place names (including cities, towns, townships, villages, etc.) of the world listed into WP, the word "town" was used. (A lot of places to cover and enter into WP, eh?) A more precise word would be "locality" or in DVH's case, unincorporated community. Point granted.

At one time, not that long ago, DVH was separated by more than a mile from the built-up portion of Palmdale (inside its city limits of the time). It was an obviously different place, which is why the Census Bureau listed it (and lists it still) as a separate place name. There was undeveloped desert from 10th Street West to 3rd Steet East along Palmdale Blvd. back then. Not anymore, of course. The City of Palmdale (government) has annexed land at all sides of DVH, making it presently an unincorporated county "island." And let's not count chickens before they're hatched. . . Palmdale (city hall government) has tried eight times in the last two decades to annex DVH, and each time they were denied because its residents didn't want it (due to their taxes being increased in the event of an annexation by Palmdale). Wishing something were so doesn't make it so. We have to stick to the facts, not what we wish were facts. Palmdale city council hasn't yet had a vote on the issue of late, and the much-anticipated hospital isn't even in the beginning construction stages yet. Please hold your horses.

Hopefully, I haven't discouraged you from making appropriately constructive edits and contributions here on Wikipedia. I have given you some rather extensive feedback, which I can't do at every moment on demand (I have a life. . . ) (smile) I'd like at this point to begin reconstructing the Palmdale article along the lines I've been describing for the last few weeks both here and at the Palmdale talk page. Thanks for your kind consideration in advance. Respectfully submitted, --avnative 00:02, Aug 18, 2004 (UTC)

I'll just chime in to add one qualification. We don't need to be quite so rigorous as you suggest about including only established facts. Wikipedia doesn't endorse any point of view, but it's considered appropriate NPOV policy to report notable POV's, if properly attributed. For example, at the start of all this I deleted the flat assertion that Palmdale would become the third-largest city in the country within a few decades. Depending on the source for that claim, however, it could be proper to say something like "Professor Phineas Q. Hallucinogen of UCLA has constructed a computerized model of population dynamics that predicts that Palmdale will become... etc." (If he's a recognized expert in the field, his POV can be reported even if most experts don't share it. On the other hand, if he's a professor of Art History who's getting a little batty in his old age and really knows nothing about demographics, then his prediction would not make the cut for inclusion in the article.) JamesMLane 05:24, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
JML's qualification I think is reasonable. Considering where our friend Anon started from on the Palmdale article, great strides have been made in making reasonable statements, I think. (Isn't it great he registered as a Wiki user under the moniker "The Anon"?)
My concern is qualifying notable POV's and not to seemingly manufacture statements out of "thin air." (This can be avoided by footnoting and listing reference sources.) I welcome (JML's) fictional Professor Hallucinogen's contributions - as long as he is a recognized expert in the field he is speaking/writing on. When Prof. H's comments veer off into comments he is not qualified to speak on (in his Art History mode), I would concur with JML's thought - the comments don't merit inclusion in a WP article. --avnative 06:18, Aug 19, 2004 (UTC)

Agreed

Well spoken. I humbly submit to your request.

Regarding Pearblossom, Lake Los Angeles, and Llano? They still don't have representation in Wikipedia, even by the RamBot articles.

Maybe not a timeline, but what about a small list of important dates like incorp, Ft. Tejon Quake, freeway built, airport, etc... ? And don't forget about the Native American Museum, and Earthquake Fault. (Did you know that Palmdale is the thrid largest city sitting directly on the Fault? Mexico City is #1, San Jose is #2. San Fran is about 30 miles East of fault. San Bernardino is 15 miles south.)

In reference to Orlando, Salt Lake, Boise, etc... they're all cities between 100,000 and 200,000 as is Palmdale. Though they are larger now, they're not much bigger really. In 4-5 years, Palmdale will be bigger than all of them. That's all I was using as a reference.

Actually yes, I did know that the "Flat Earth Society" was based here, and I have always viewed it as a thorn in our side because they represent how outsiders really view where we live. They'll look at the FES as part of the AV, but not anything else. (Oh, that's just a bunch of hicks out there, etc...) You know what I mean?

Honestly, I don't really care if Palmdale has international glory like Rome or L.A. I just want the same recognition as other cities of it's size class. I agree that Palmdale is a city most like Modesto. Modesto is pretty much the largest city within its immediate area in the SJV, as Palmdale is for the AV, recently surpassing Lancaster. Modesto has Stockton up the road which is slightly larger, the same as Palmdale has Santa Clarita down the road. Moreno Valley, though, is surrounded by a fairly large metro area (Inland Empire) which has 3 cities larger than it (RIV/SBD/ONT) in the immediate area and Temecula is also part of the I.E.

The difference is Palmdale doesn't get the recognition that Modesto does. It gets the recognition of Blythe and Gorman. That is what I am tired of.

Actually, I am a Lancaster resident. I have been for most of my life. I don't tend to promote Lancaster as much because:

1 - Palmdale is the larger city now. (Even though Lancaster used to be, everyone knew that Palmdale would outgrow it)

2 - Lancaster's government has something wrong with it to allow all of it's stores to go to Palmdale over the years. As a result with their current defecit's every year, I could even see Palmdale possibly annexing Lancaster with time. Though probably for not another 10+ years. I really think they outta do it now, just to balance the economy and give larger population bragging rights. It would maybe convince the airlines to give their presence here. (And it would be like Bakersfield, not quite Fresno)

3 - Whenever you mention Lancaster to anyone, they always say "Pennsylvania?" even though we are larger here. There are too many other Lancaster's in the world. Lancaster is kinda like Springfield. There are 3 prominent ones in the country. There are 2 prominent Lancasters in the US and 1 in England. If Lancaster were to be the major principal city of the AV, it would end up with a name confusion war with Pennsylvania like the 2 Portlands have. Palmdale really has no outside sister cities to share the name with. (There is a locale in Florida with the name, but a very little population (under 250).

Anyway, as I stated before, you have valid points. We do call Acton, Rosamond, and Cal City suburbs here, but the Census doesn't. (The population given for the Palmdale/Lancaster, California Urbanized area does however exceed the year 2000 counted population of just the 2 cities by about 30,000 or so. They must have included some of them in it. Perhaps immediate vicinity ones like Acton, Lake L.A., unincorp. Palmdale area, unincorp. QH, L-rock, P-blossom, Del Sur, Ant. Acres, and Rosamond, I would think.)

As you said, we must put what the Census says. The Census grants us a binary-city metro area of 263,532 and we are ranked 123rd in the nation out of 452. http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/GCTTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=&-ds_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U&-_lang=en&-redoLog=true&-mt_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U_GCTPH1R_US12S&-format=US-12%7CUS-12S&-CONTEXT=gct (certain characters in this website prohibit this from being a link in wikipedia, so copy/paste)

So I agree that the changes need to be made to reflect what is verifiable.

Respectfully, Anon

Response

Huzzah, huzzah! Thanks for your kind estimation of my communicational abilities. . . (smile)

As far as Pearblossom, Llano, etc. not having a WP article as yet: Wikipedia is an ongoing project. It will take years to get to where it has all the articles it would ideally like to have. That's why there are hundreds (if not thousands) of volunteers working on it (as time permits) worldwide. Anyone can start an article. I can't do everything. By collaborating together (such as how User:Lucky 6.9 and I are putting together a standout article on the Ridge Route), we work to make excellent articles that reflect well on WP as a whole.

Regarding your timeline thought: A similar event of 1952, the "Tehachapi" earthquake (not its official name, though) is covered in its nearest locality, Tehachapi. I've already written about it there. Wikipedia articles have a lot of those blue links to save time and space. The best place to put an areawide historical occurance like an earthquake (Fort Tejon or otherwise) is in an article about a geographic area (as opposed to a particular locality/city, where you would have to type in the data for several localities that are in vicinity of each other. . . aaarrgh). For this reason, I think it's best that kind of info be put into the Antelope Valley article, or the Kern County article, or the Los Angeles County article - as deemed appropriate (unless a particular earthquake caused significant newsworthy damage to a particular locality/city. That's why the "Tehachapi" White Wolf fault quake is mentioned in the Tehachapi article. There was a lot of destruction in its downtown area).

Another place to inform readers of earthquakes such as the Ft. Tejon quake would be the article Earthquake. There may even be a listing of United States earthquakes, or even California quakes. If not, one can be started by any user/editor. That means you or me! I can't do it all. . . and neither can anyone else. We all work together in a collaborative effort, with administrators watching our edits for inappropriate stuff. And don't forget, there may already be an article called Fort Tejon earthquake. Check around the WP and see if you find it! You'd be amazed at what's on this project. I am!

As you can see, those little blue underlined hyperlinks make an article more compact, and allow interested readers to learn about all kinds of things not usually found in a paper encyclopedia article. It's called "building the web" at Wikipedia. It's what we do around here. . .

Palmdale's cityhood incorporation date (August, 24, 1962) can be mentioned in the body of the article. There's already an article on the freeway at California State Highway 14. It just lacks a blue hyperlink. The airport/Plant 42 needs someone to write the article. (Again, I can't do everything at once, nor every article) The Indian museum is already in the Antelope Valley article. The San Andreas Fault article is also written.

I think you miss the point regarding Boise, etc. Yes, they are all cities between 100,000 and 200,000 population. . . agreed. They (except Orlando) are all capital cities of their states, which have much less population that California. Comparing "apples" to "oranges", though with similar population numbers for their capital cities, is not appropriate in the world of knowledge and the world of education (and I am a credentialed educator of many years). Boise is far more important to Idaho than Palmdale is to California. Please compare "apples" to "apples", OK?

Careful on the predictions of Palmdale's future population. . . I've been here during two downturns: 1958-70, and 1992-99. I've seen this valley go bust and board up its windows and doors, and have even seen people walk away with the key on the house's counter with an open front door. We don't make predictions on WP, and we don't do original research on it, either. We wait for the facts to be printed, and then we report those verifiable, peer-reviewed, unbiased facts.

The reason why I mentioned Moreno Valley, Menifee, Temecula, and Oceanside ("ring" cities) as a class together - though they don't have the same population numbers (some are more populated than others) is because they grew in population for precisely the same reason Palmdale has: affordable housing near (or near enough) resident's employment centers. Why an incorporated city grows in population is just as important - if not more so - than how it grows or how many live there. These cities have much of the same challenges and character, and can learn much from each other. A more stable and established city such as Burbank is in another stage of municipal development in its "life cycle" and cannot offer much for Palmdale govt. officials to learn from as compared to say, Oceanside.

Modestans would laugh at your estimation of Modesto. I have tons of family there. They are waiting for the day when sensational tabloid murder stories cease. Right now they'd like to have Palmdale's reputation - it has no tabloid sleaze factor.

Please keep in mind that promotion (or lack of promotion) of (fill in the blank) is not a primary function of the Wikipedia project. I understand where you're coming from, and have heard those thoughts from others in the valley, but promotion is not what WP is all about. Period! You might want to peruse http://epinions.com to find an outlet for your opinions on certain cities, places, states, etc. Of course, there's always Usenet (talk about "sharks" tearing each other's statements apart. . . shudder)

Understand your other points, and would love to chat more, but Wikipedia is not a chat room, nor a bulletin board or meeting space. It's primary goal is to build an encylopedia. Users/editors (anon or with usernames) are given the ability to communicate with each other for the purpose of building said encyclopedia. There are limits. . .

Happy Trails to you! --avnative 16:28, Aug 18, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind note. As you suggested, I took a look at the article and I agree it's better now. The situation at John Kerry has also improved, now that the Arbitration Committee has blocked the user who was causing most of the discord. (Incidentally, you don't need to call other Wikipedians "Mr." I know my user name sounds kind of formal. In hindsight, I wish that I'd registered as JimLane or with a nickname like yours, but now, after several months and 1500+ edits, I don't feel like changing it. Most people go with "James" or "JML", either of which is fine.) JamesMLane 05:49, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Moving an image

All you have to do is:

  1. edit the article that the image is in
  2. highlight the image markup text
  3. Control-X to cut the markup text out of the article
  4. Save the edited article without the markup text for the image
  5. Edit the article where you want to move it
  6. Put your cursor where you want the image to appear in the article.
  7. Control-v to paste the image markup text
  8. Do a Show preview to see if you like the look of it
  9. Save it when satisfied.

Does this help? RickK 04:45, Aug 21, 2004 (UTC)

New Stubs

Hello Neighbor,

I have created more stubs for those dead links. Add anything if you can. You know more about the history of them than I do. The only ones left to create are the "Lakes" in Leona Valley. Some of them also need to have redirects added to them. I also added the Chamber of Commerce website to Lancaster, and updated it's population. Goodnight! --Anon 07:54, Aug 21, 2004 (UTC)

More Ridge Route

Yo, Av! Great news regarding those pictures! Since they're original, there isn't a problem posting them. You'll be releasing them under the site's license and others might use them, but beyond that, beautiful!

It's been so long since I've been anywhere near the old road that you should caption the photos once you upload them.

I just had Felix the Cat and Mercedes-Benz 450SEL 6.9 each make featured status on Friday. I'm so excited I can't tell you. Let's get Ridge Route in the club! - Lucky 6.9 03:40, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Wouldn't be a complete article with out that theme song! I put an external link just above the lyrics. - Lucky 6.9 04:27, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Glad you liked the Felix theme! That was a fun article to work on, and finding that public domain comic was a real treat. Your expansion of the local detail on RR is just fantastic, by the way. I couldn't have asked for anyone better than an Antelope Valley resident to add details. I just can't wait to see the pix! Speaking of pix, one or two of the antiques might fall under fair use. I'll drop a line to resident copyright expert Angela and ask her to investigate. - Lucky 6.9 05:13, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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