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Hebrew

El C, can you please do Psalm 69? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

The next 2 to be expanded are Psalm 146 and Psalm 115, because they will be linked from the TFA on 4 April. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:31, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Gerda, is your changes to the TOS (heading/subheading) intentional? Also, for my own reference: perm link to 124-150. Anyway, below is your March 30 request. As for your April 4 requests: I already did 146 — would you like me to do 115? El_C 02:45, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

115 instantly done! El_C 02:47, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

That's great, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:53, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Psalm 69 also taken with thanks! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:59, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for Psalm 12, and next time you can just overwrite the below when sure I took it. (Unless you dare to copy it right to the psalm article, - I see no danger, really ;) ) - I don't know which the next one will be. I go to church, and usually there is a psalm, and when we haven't improved it, that's the one, otherwise just the next missing in our list, which would be Psalm 14. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:43, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

But will it be all set up again? Asking for a fweind. El_C 09:48, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

I could do that, but it would not be difficult to change the "12" to "14" (three times), and remove the present Hebrew by the new. I don't know how you work with the table. For English KJV, there's no table but I can copy the source text which has verse numbers, and replace them by our # sign, with the same result. The Hebrew has a table because initially it had an English translation, but - sad, sad, sad - that was removed as copyvio because Yoninah chose a better modern one. If we give up ever having a translation, we could probably handle the Hebrew the same way: just verse #. Very often the numbers are not the same for both, nor is the KJV a good translation of the Hebrew, - that's why they are below each other. Also, of course, with Hebrew written from right to left, it looks better right aligned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:57, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Interesting. I've never read the KJV in full, but every couple of years I read the Hebrew Bible from cover to cover. KJV is what the Mimre Institute is using right? Not, say, the Tyndale Bible. ;) El_C 10:13, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Out of interest, what was the modern source that Yoninah was using? El_C 10:16, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

The KJV is Wikisoource, a historic Bible, with some old language. In Germany, in normal services it will be a newer translation than Martin Luther's. - I don't know exactly which source Yoninah used for a translation, but take about any psalm where not you added the Hebrew, and check the history for the revdel process. Or - perhaps better - check out the archive of Psalms, Talk:Psalms/Archive 2, - well, not better, didn't find it, possibly https://outskirtspress.com/ mentioned in archive 1. Perhaps check out her talk, or ask Diannaa. - I wonder why the archives don't show on the talk, btw. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:32, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

62 as a model

Hebrew Bible version

The following is the Hebrew text of Psalm 62:

Verse	Hebrew
1	.לַמְנַצֵּחַ עַל-יְדוּתוּן-- מִזְמוֹר לְדָוִד
2	.אַךְ אֶל-אֱלֹהִים, דּוּמִיָּה נַפְשִׁי; מִמֶּנּוּ, יְשׁוּעָתִי
3	.אַךְ-הוּא צוּרִי, וִישׁוּעָתִי; מִשְׂגַּבִּי, לֹא-אֶמּוֹט רַבָּה
4	:עַד-אָנָה, תְּהוֹתְתוּ עַל-אִישׁ-- תְּרָצְּחוּ כֻלְּכֶם .כְּקִיר נָטוּי; גָּדֵר, הַדְּחוּיָה
5	:אַךְ מִשְּׂאֵתוֹ, יָעֲצוּ לְהַדִּיחַ-- יִרְצוּ כָזָב .בְּפִיו יְבָרֵכוּ; וּבְקִרְבָּם, יְקַלְלוּ-סֶלָה
6	.אַךְ לֵאלֹהִים, דּוֹמִּי נַפְשִׁי: כִּי-מִמֶּנּוּ, תִּקְוָתִי
7	.אַךְ-הוּא צוּרִי, וִישׁוּעָתִי; מִשְׂגַּבִּי, לֹא אֶמּוֹט
8	.עַל-אֱלֹהִים, יִשְׁעִי וּכְבוֹדִי; צוּר-עֻזִּי מַחְסִי, בֵּאלֹהִים
9	;בִּטְחוּ בוֹ בְכָל-עֵת, עָם-- שִׁפְכוּ-לְפָנָיו לְבַבְכֶם .אֱלֹהִים מַחֲסֶה-לָּנוּ סֶלָה
10	:אַךְ, הֶבֶל בְּנֵי-אָדָם-- כָּזָב בְּנֵי-אִישׁ .בְּמֹאזְנַיִם לַעֲלוֹת; הֵמָּה, מֵהֶבֶל יָחַד
11	:אַל-תִּבְטְחוּ בְעֹשֶׁק, וּבְגָזֵל אַל-תֶּהְבָּלוּ .חַיִל כִּי-יָנוּב-- אַל-תָּשִׁיתוּ לֵב
12	.אַחַת, דִּבֶּר אֱלֹהִים--שְׁתַּיִם-זוּ שָׁמָעְתִּי: כִּי עֹז, לֵאלֹהִים
13	.וּלְךָ-אֲדֹנָי חָסֶד: כִּי-אַתָּה תְשַׁלֵּם לְאִישׁ כְּמַעֲשֵׂהוּ

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Verse	Hebrew
1	.לַמְנַצֵּחַ לִבְנֵי-קֹרַח מִזְמוֹר
2	.שִׁמְעוּ-זֹאת, כָּל-הָעַמִּים; הַאֲזִינוּ, כָּל-יֹשְׁבֵי חָלֶד
3	.גַּם-בְּנֵי אָדָם, גַּם-בְּנֵי-אִישׁ-- יַחַד, עָשִׁיר וְאֶבְיוֹן
4	.פִּי, יְדַבֵּר חָכְמוֹת; וְהָגוּת לִבִּי תְבוּנוֹת
5	.אַטֶּה לְמָשָׁל אָזְנִי; אֶפְתַּח בְּכִנּוֹר, חִידָתִי
6	.לָמָּה אִירָא, בִּימֵי רָע-- עֲוֺן עֲקֵבַי יְסוּבֵּנִי
7	.הַבֹּטְחִים עַל-חֵילָם; וּבְרֹב עָשְׁרָם יִתְהַלָּלוּ
8	.אָח--לֹא פָדֹה יִפְדֶּה אִישׁ; לֹא-יִתֵּן לֵאלֹהִים כָּפְרוֹ
9	.וְיֵקַר, פִּדְיוֹן נַפְשָׁם; וְחָדַל לְעוֹלָם
10	.וִיחִי-עוֹד לָנֶצַח; לֹא יִרְאֶה הַשָּׁחַת
11	;כִּי יִרְאֶה, חֲכָמִים יָמוּתוּ-- יַחַד כְּסִיל וָבַעַר יֹאבֵדוּ .וְעָזְבוּ לַאֲחֵרִים חֵילָם
12	;קִרְבָּם בָּתֵּימוֹ, לְעוֹלָם-- מִשְׁכְּנֹתָם, לְדוֹר וָדֹר .קָרְאוּ בִשְׁמוֹתָם, עֲלֵי אֲדָמוֹת
13	.וְאָדָם בִּיקָר, בַּל-יָלִין; נִמְשַׁל כַּבְּהֵמוֹת נִדְמוּ
14	.זֶה דַרְכָּם, כֵּסֶל לָמוֹ; וְאַחֲרֵיהֶם, בְּפִיהֶם יִרְצוּ סֶלָה
15	:כַּצֹּאן, לִשְׁאוֹל שַׁתּוּ-- מָוֶת יִרְעֵם .וַיִּרְדּוּ בָם יְשָׁרִים, לַבֹּקֶר--וצירם (וְצוּרָם), לְבַלּוֹת שְׁאוֹל; מִזְּבֻל לוֹ
16	.אַךְ-אֱלֹהִים--יִפְדֶּה נַפְשִׁי, מִיַּד-שְׁאוֹל: כִּי יִקָּחֵנִי סֶלָה
17	.אַל-תִּירָא, כִּי-יַעֲשִׁר אִישׁ: כִּי-יִרְבֶּה, כְּבוֹד בֵּיתוֹ
18	.כִּי לֹא בְמוֹתוֹ, יִקַּח הַכֹּל; לֹא-יֵרֵד אַחֲרָיו כְּבוֹדוֹ
19	.כִּי-נַפְשׁוֹ, בְּחַיָּיו יְבָרֵךְ; וְיוֹדֻךָ, כִּי-תֵיטִיב לָךְ
20	.תָּבוֹא, עַד-דּוֹר אֲבוֹתָיו; עַד-נֵצַח, לֹא יִרְאוּ-אוֹר
21	.אָדָם בִּיקָר, וְלֹא יָבִין; נִמְשַׁל כַּבְּהֵמוֹת נִדְמוּ