Talk:Barzani jash campaign: Difference between revisions

POV concerns

@DataNomad I've noticed that whenever you create articles about topics involving conflicts between Iraqis and Kurds or Turks and Kurds—whether battles, campaigns, or other conflicts—you don't present the complete picture of the engagement between both sides. From what I've observed, you tend to focus primarily on the Kurdish perspective in these conflicts while omitting information about the other parties involved. This appears to be a POV issue when covering conflicts between Kurds and Iraqis or Turks and Kurds. You either need to reading about the entire conflict and fix these issues, or refrain from creating articles on these conflicts. R3YBOl (talk) 10:12, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

@DataNomad Qasim is getting removed from the infobox because as I said previously: He later declared war on kurds as the "First Iraqi-Kurdish War", and That's what clearly is mentioned in your part, He wasn't anything else rather than a supporter or an ally to the kurdish tribes in this campaign. R3YBOl (🌲) 14:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

I made an entire section explaining it DataNomad (talk) 15:05, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

The infobox is supposed to be a short summary of what the article talks about DataNomad (talk) 15:07, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

I can see that you reverted me without giving a clear explanation here about Qasim's involvement, I made an entire section explaining it Well let's read about this section which is supposed to show Qasim's involvement:By summer 1961, Barzani was working more closely with tribal rebels in the north while stepping up attacks on Jash forces loyal to Baghdad. In September, fighting intensified when a local tribe (the Arkou) attacked an Iraqi army column, prompting a direct response from the government.Qasim ordered airstrikes on Barzani’s positions, stopping his push near the border.What started as indirect tensions turned into open conflict, marking the beginning of the First Iraqi–Kurdish War. The first part I underlined, a tribe raiding the army but no mention to Qasim's involvement, The second Part I underlined talks about how the coarse of the conflict changed from Several kurdish tribes conflict to a conflict between Mustafa Barzani and the government. So qasim was indeed involved in the First Iraqi-Kurdish War, But not in the Campaign of Mustafa, if we read the whole article, it only talks about how mustafa Barzani fought the kurdish tribes who opposed him, and some of them were allied to Qasim, Can you explain please and make it clear and tell me where Qasim is mentioned in the campaign? The section that you created is literally an aftermath of the campaign. R3YBOl (🌲) 15:48, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

issues

Multiple sources in this article don't have any pages, and other are inaccessible and a quote from the text being cited is needed. This page also reads like something generated by an AI chatbot, and according to GPTzero, it is 60% ai generated 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 15:24, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

Why are you lying???? You havent even checked these sources 100% cause they are all on google book DataNomad (talk) 15:26, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

Name one thats fake DataNomad (talk) 15:27, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

What am I supposed to read if you haven't provided the pages? 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 15:27, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

Thats not my issue search for keywords DataNomad (talk) 15:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

NAME A SINGLE FAKE SOURCE LMAO IM WAITING DataNomad (talk) 15:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

I shouldn't be interfering, 3-6 Cited sources haven't got page numbers mentioned R3YBOl (🌲) 15:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

But can u show me where on wiki it says sources HAVE to have page numbers DataNomad (talk) 15:33, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

WP:BURDEN 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 15:36, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

“ideally giving page number” literally means you should add the page number if you can, but it’s not absolutely required.💀 DataNomad (talk) 15:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

It is required when your edits are being challenged, ie now. 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 15:42, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

you said the sources are fake and ai generated so tell me which one is fake? If you can name a single one thats fake i will leave this entire page and delete it DataNomad (talk) 15:47, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

Where did I say that the sources are fake? 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 15:48, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

But can u show me where on wiki it says sources HAVE to have page numbers Per WP:V, sources must directly support claims and be verifiable. Page numbers are needed for specific military claims or information or details. R3YBOl (🌲) 15:37, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

Additionally as I can see Abo yemen is a new page viewers and pending changes Reviewers, He definitely has got the rights to move your article to draft R3YBOl (🌲) 15:33, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

OK, here's one bad source (I only looked at one): "The Kurdish revolt: 1961-1970" used to substantiate 3,000 killed. Page 81 states that in March 1962 Zakho and Dohuk were assaulted but remained in government hands. Mullah Mustafa claimed (very over-optimistically) that in his spring offensive his Kurds inflicted more than 3,000 casualties....

So the problems are:

1. Spring 1962, not 1961

2. Did not capture Zakho

3. Did not kill 3,000

And that is just the problems with one page of one reference. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 17:26, 7 June 2025 (UTC)