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{{blockquote|For African Americans across the country who read about the horrors of East St. Louis, the rhetoric of democracy and unconditional loyalty to the nation rang painfully hollow. How could black people muster the patriotic spirit and strength to fight for the nation, when the murder of innocent men, women, and children went unpunished? As East St. Louis made abundantly clear, loyalty did not and could not necessitate acquiescence to segregation, racial violence, and government discrimination. Editorials criticizing the violence filled the pages of black newspapers.60 The Norfolk Journal and Guide , which had only recently boasted of the loyalty of Richmond’s black community, boldly called upon the government to provide justice or “renounce its purposes for entering the world war and stand convicted among the nations of the earth as the greatest hypo¬ crite of all times.”61 The Cleveland Advocate called upon Woodrow Wilson to denounce “the barbarity committed at East St. Louis” and questioned just how he could boast “to make ‘democracy safe for humanity’ when humanity is un¬ safe in our own country.”62 In addition to the fiery words of black editors, the East St. Louis massacre sparked collective political action. On July 28, 1917, the naacp held a “silent protest parade” down Fifth Avenue in New York City in response to the riot and the continued terrorism of African Americans through¬ out the country. It represented a dramatic demonstration of black political for¬ titude and civilized respectability in the wake of raw barbarism. To the sounds of muffled drums, eight thousand African Americans, women dressed in white gowns, men dressed in black suits, marched and held signs of protest, many in¬ voking Woodrow Wilson’s own rhetoric. “Mr. President,” one of the placards poignantly read, “why not make America safe for democracy?}} [[User:Noleander|Noleander]] ([[User talk:Noleander|talk]]) 02:25, 8 June 2025 (UTC) |
{{blockquote|For African Americans across the country who read about the horrors of East St. Louis, the rhetoric of democracy and unconditional loyalty to the nation rang painfully hollow. How could black people muster the patriotic spirit and strength to fight for the nation, when the murder of innocent men, women, and children went unpunished? As East St. Louis made abundantly clear, loyalty did not and could not necessitate acquiescence to segregation, racial violence, and government discrimination. Editorials criticizing the violence filled the pages of black newspapers.60 The Norfolk Journal and Guide , which had only recently boasted of the loyalty of Richmond’s black community, boldly called upon the government to provide justice or “renounce its purposes for entering the world war and stand convicted among the nations of the earth as the greatest hypo¬ crite of all times.”61 The Cleveland Advocate called upon Woodrow Wilson to denounce “the barbarity committed at East St. Louis” and questioned just how he could boast “to make ‘democracy safe for humanity’ when humanity is un¬ safe in our own country.”62 In addition to the fiery words of black editors, the East St. Louis massacre sparked collective political action. On July 28, 1917, the naacp held a “silent protest parade” down Fifth Avenue in New York City in response to the riot and the continued terrorism of African Americans through¬ out the country. It represented a dramatic demonstration of black political for¬ titude and civilized respectability in the wake of raw barbarism. To the sounds of muffled drums, eight thousand African Americans, women dressed in white gowns, men dressed in black suits, marched and held signs of protest, many in¬ voking Woodrow Wilson’s own rhetoric. “Mr. President,” one of the placards poignantly read, “why not make America safe for democracy?}} [[User:Noleander|Noleander]] ([[User talk:Noleander|talk]]) 02:25, 8 June 2025 (UTC) |
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== Areas for expansion == |
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Seemingly valuable secondary sources include [https://archive.org/details/jamesweldonjohns0000morr/page/242/mode/2up?q=%22Silent+Protest+Parade%22+1917 Morrissett 2013], [https://archive.org/details/civilrightsmakin0000fran/page/196/mode/2up?q=%22Silent+Protest+Parade%22 Francis 2014], [https://archive.org/details/the-harlem-renaissance-and-transatlantic-modernism/page/328/mode/2up?q=%22Silent+Protest+Parade%22 Denise 2024], [https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Democracy_and_the_Politics_of_Silence/o-8SEQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 Viera 2024], [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/27671127.2022.2049452 Golding 2022], [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1041794X.2023.2211965 Crow 2023], [https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-the-gilded-age-and-progressive-era/article/deeds-not-words-american-social-justice-movements-and-world-war-i/78F85ED8DD55287034BB0CC3FA994184 Keene 2018], and [https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Black_Movements/ZG8kDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=modeled+on+the+the+%221917%22+%22silent+parade%22&pg=PA145&printsec=frontcover Colbert 2017]. |
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I've taken a look at some other sources with coverage, to highlight aspects that I think are missing from the article. I haven't looked as closely at those that I linked above, but a good few of them seem to have ''even more'' coverage than those that I use as examples below: |
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* Dray, ''At the Hands of Persons Unknown'' (2003), gives two pages (235-7) to the march, and attributes the idea for its silence to Weldon Johnson, not Villard, and attributes writing of the "Why We March" flyer to "probably" Johnson. Patricia Sullivan, ''Lift Every Voice'' (2009) also attributes the suggestion to Johnson (69), and Wedin, ''Inheritors of the Spirit'' (1998) attributes "the skilled diplomatic hand of James Weldon Johnson" with shaping the parade that "astounded Fifth Avenue onlookers" Wedin also says that the Harlem branch of the NAACP was organized during the organization of the march, not the other way around, which seems to contradict what we say in our article(161). |
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* Butler, ''God in Gotham'' (2020) gives an attendance figure of "between five and ten thousand" (124). She also expands that what we describe as a "group of NAACP leaders" who went to DC included Du Bois, Adam Clayton Powell, and Madam C. J. Walker (189). Zangrando, ''The NAACP Crusade Against Lynching'' (1980) adds that "they conferred instead with his [Wilson's] long-term secretary, Joseph Tumulty, who promised vaguely that "the matter would not be neglected" (38) |
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* Sullivan 2009 describes the march as "one of the most stunning protest marches in the annals of the black freedom struggle" (69). |
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;Legacy: |
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You mostly describe the failures of the march (fair enough), but many secondary sources highlight the precedent it set as a success. These include Dray (p.237). Ovington apparently told [[Arthur Spingarn]] that it was "the most encouraging thing I have seen for years" (Wedin 1998, 161). This aspect of the Parade's legacy and attention feels under covered in our article. It wasn't forgotten by everyone between 1917 and 2017. |
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* LOC states that from 1917-1930s, similar silent parades continued [https://guides.loc.gov/chronicling-america-silent-protest-parade]. Zangrando mentions that "Johnson sent letters to all NAACP branches urging that they, in turn, organize parallel demonstrations throughout the nation" (38) |
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Specific parades that were inspired by this one include: |
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** 1917, Providence, R. I. ([https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=vNCmXlv_5zAC&pg=PA129&dq=inspired+by+the+%221917%22+%22silent+protest+parade%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjwjomktOGNAxU3dUEAHQAIM3U4ChDoAXoECAsQAw#v=onepage&q=providence&f=false source]) |
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** 1942, after the execution of [[Odell Waller]] ([https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Along_the_Color_Line/NF3H7QwQaVIC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22odell+waller%22+%221917%22+silent+protest&pg=PA347&printsec=frontcover source]) |
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** 2020, in support of Black trans women ([https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/15/black-trans-protests-rally-america source]) |
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* Inspired a sculpture by [[Meta Vaux Warrick Fuller]] ([https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yDAlDQAAQBAJ&pg=PA33&dq=modeled+on+the+the+%221917%22+%22silent+protest+parade%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi0koTYtOGNAxUOQkEAHUY6JnQQ6AF6BAgKEAM#v=onepage&q=modeled%20on%20the%20the%20%221917%22%20%22silent%20protest%20parade%22&f=false source] [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ymcIEQAAQBAJ&pg=PT166&dq=modeled+on+the+the+%221917%22+%22silent+protest+parade%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi0koTYtOGNAxUOQkEAHUY6JnQQ6AF6BAgLEAM#v=onepage&q=modeled%20on%20the%20the%20%221917%22%20%22silent%20protest%20parade%22&f=false source 2]) |
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I think there's more to say about the unique role of women and children. Some sources that discuss the symbolic importance of their positioning include: |
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Children |
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* [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=xr1EH6OlXuwC&pg=PA28&dq=%22Silent+Parade%22OR%22Silent+protest+parade%22+%22children%22+lynching&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj6uMrutuGNAxVBWEEAHaJmD4IQ6AF6BAgMEAM#v=onepage&q=%22Silent%20Parade%22OR%22Silent%20protest%20parade%22%20%22children%22%20lynching&f=false Smith 2006, 28-29] |
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* [https://academic.oup.com/book/3747/chapter/145165622#acprof-9780190664732-chapter-6-milestone-196 Wright 2017, Ch 5] |
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Women |
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* Evelyn M. Simien, ed. ''Gender and Lynching: The Politics of Memory'' (2011). |
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;Race and class |
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The NAACP in this time had many prominent white leaders (Ovington, Villard, [[May Childs Nerney]] (to plug my own article :P)). This makes the statement {{tq|organizers of the Silent Parade felt that it was important that only African American people participate}} especially interesting, and I would think that there might be more to say on this. Sullivan writes that "the [organizing] committee did not specifically exclude whites", but "the parade was designed to be an expression of black protest." She states that "members of the race representing all conditions and walks of life participated" including "for once, [as] the ''New York Age'' observed, Negro Americans, West Indians, and Haitians" (69). It would also have been shocking that Black people were allowed to participate in a parade in NYC in this time at all: [https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9781003104421-26/parades-manhattan-karen-franck Franck 2023] writes "For many years, black residents of the city were not permitted to participate in parades held along major avenues in Manhattan...A notable exception to the exclusion of parades of black people from avenues in Manhattan was the Silent Protest Demonstration held in 1917]" (p. 292). |
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A major aspect of civil rights advocacy in this period was the influence of soldiers returning from the War. See, for instance [[Victor Daly]], [[Robert T. Kerlin]], [[User:Eddie891/Edgar Caldwell|Edgar Caldwell]]. I don't think this is really addressed sufficiently in the article now. I imagine that Slotkin, Williams, or Mjagkij might talk about this. |
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* [https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Harlem_s_Rattlers_and_the_Great_War/5NutEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22villard%22+%22july+28%22+silent+parade&pg=PA146&printsec=frontcover Sammons and Morrow 2014] explicitly link the two (pp. 146-147) |
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* Dray writes that the men who marched were wearing military uniforms and "bearing a sign that read: WE WERE FIRST IN FRANCE--ASK PERSHING." (p. 236). It is worth noting that other sources state that the men were wearing suits (Butler 2020, 124) Sullivan 2009 clarifies that "some" wore US Army uniforms (69). |
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Anyways, long comment to say: I think there's a good bit of scholarship that is not cited in the article, which could expand it and allow you to decrease reliance substantially on primary reporting (always a good thing). [[User:Eddie891|Eddie891]] <small>''<sup> [[User talk:Eddie891|Talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Eddie891|Work]]</sub>'' </small> 12:03, 8 June 2025 (UTC) |
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Lead paragraph factuality
"when between 40 and 250 black people were killed by white mobs who were whipped into a frenzy by labor unions in order to resist strike breaking efforts."
Is this factual, or yet another attempt at Wikipedian editorializing and POV? Dynasteria (talk) 14:36, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
High Traffic - Google Doodle
The Google doodle for 28 July 2017 depicts the Silent Parade on its centenary. The Wikipedia page appears at the top of the search results if you click on the doodle, but there is no specific url featuring it, hence not appropriate for using the {{high traffic}} template. Link for page view analysis. Already more than 65 edits today. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 15:40, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Hey! Just wanted to send a shout out to everybody that helped improve the article today.. It looks much better than this morning! Haxwell (talk)
- How is this decision made? Google definitely is linking to this article, albeit through their search results. Why is this not considered sufficient for including the {{high traffic}} template. --2A01:5A20:100F:110:0:0:0:DC4 (talk) 22:22, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
WikiProject African Diaspora
Can we raise the class of this article from 'start' to 'B' ? Haxwell (talk)
GA2 review
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Nominator: Noleander (talk · contribs) 17:10, 28 March 2025 (UTC) Reviewer: Chchcheckit (talk · contribs) 11:51, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
Broad
Prose Definitely parts in need of copyediting, i'll go through
Idk how good this is or if I missed something. Call me out if there is // Chchcheckit (talk) 13:43, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
References
Copyvio
Spotchecks
NPOV
Stable
For the record, here is what happened:
And that is what happened. Noleander (talk) 23:51, 4 April 2025 (UTC) |
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Nominator: Noleander (talk · contribs) 23:36, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
Reviewer: OlifanofmrTennant (talk · contribs) 18:58, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
- @OlifanofmrTennant - Hi. No pressure, but I wanted to make sure you haven't forgotten about this GA review. Noleander (talk) 02:50, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
Lead
- "president Woodrow Wilson" President should be capitalized
- Done. Noleander (talk) 14:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
Background
- Under St. Louis massacre the second mention of "W. E. B. Du Bois" should be "Du Bois"
- Done. Noleander (talk) 22:25, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Ref 18 has a CS1 error
- Done. Noleander (talk) 22:25, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
The parade
- "New York City" should be "New York City, New York"
- Done. Noleander (talk) 22:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Link "57th Street"
- Done. Noleander (talk) 22:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
Aftermath and legacy
- Could more detail about the Emmett Till antilynching act be added?
- Done. Noleander (talk) 14:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
Misc
- Several images are missing alt text
- Done. Noleander (talk) 14:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- I think World War 1 is abbreviated to "WWI" not "WW I"
- Done. Noleander (talk) 14:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Linking source publishers is inconsistent
- Done ... I removed the few publisher links, so they are now all consistent.
- Several SFNs are missing page numbers
- For one cite (to a book) I added specific page numbers. Another cite to a book I removed entirely ... there was another cite there that was already sufficient. The remaining "sfn" cites that do not have page numbers are either web pages or small magazine articles under 4 pages. If there is a specific cite remaining that you feel needs a page number, let me know which one.
- @OlifanofmrTennant: I implemented all of the suggestions that were listed above. Noleander (talk) 14:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- @OlifanofmrTennant: I implemented the two additional suggestions you made on 16 April. Let me know if any more work needs to be done to meet GA requirements. Noleander (talk) 18:31, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- I made more than two notes Olliefant (she/her) 22:10, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- @OlifanofmrTennant - I implemented all of the suggestions listed above. Noleander (talk) 22:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- I made more than two notes Olliefant (she/her) 22:10, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- @OlifanofmrTennant: I implemented the two additional suggestions you made on 16 April. Let me know if any more work needs to be done to meet GA requirements. Noleander (talk) 18:31, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- @OlifanofmrTennant: I implemented all of the suggestions that were listed above. Noleander (talk) 14:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- For one cite (to a book) I added specific page numbers. Another cite to a book I removed entirely ... there was another cite there that was already sufficient. The remaining "sfn" cites that do not have page numbers are either web pages or small magazine articles under 4 pages. If there is a specific cite remaining that you feel needs a page number, let me know which one.
Did you know nomination
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The result was: promoted by Kingsif talk 02:58, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- ... that in 1917 over 8,000 African Americans protested lynchings by marching down New York City's Fifth Avenue in silence, accompanied only by the sound of muffled drums?
- Source: Du Bois, W. E. B., ed. (September 1917). "The Negro Silent Parade" (PDF). The Crisis. 14 (5): 241-244. ISSN 0011-1422. Archived (PDF) from the original on 6 February 2018. Retrieved 2 August 2017.
Note that the Earwig copyvio tool will produce two false positives:
Those were reviewed during the GA review, and they do not indicate plagiarism or even close paraphrasing. One is a block quote from a leader of the parade (a primary source). The other is a list of parade leaders' names.
Great job with this. With the false positives discarded, no sign of copyvio, well sourced, and recently promoted GA. Source checks out and is cited in article. I fixed one minor innacuracy I spotted about the Dawson Film Find, but beyond that everything looks ok! Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 00:50, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thank-you so much! Noleander (talk) 01:21, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
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I've listed this article for peer review because I'm planning on nominating it for Feature Article status, and I'd like an independent review before doing that. I'd appreciate any comments on prose quality & MOS compliance.
Thanks, Noleander (talk) 01:17, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
Tarlby
Heyo. I'll just be skimming the prose. Note that I'm not experienced with FAC.
- Link "discrimination and violence faced by African Americans" in the lead to Racism against African Americans.
- You can also link Anti-lynching movement in the lead. Maybe with "to enact anti-lynching legislation". [I dunno, links are discouraged in the Lead, except for major topics. Noleander (talk) 18:25, 21 April 2025 (UTC)]
- Lynchings is linked in the lead but not in Background. Consider doing so.
- "...in the 1830s and continued until 1981." ---> "...in the 1830s and continued until 1981 with the lynching of Michael Donald." MOS:EGG (the period was also linked). [Done (period). Noleander (talk) 18:25, 21 April 2025 (UTC)]
- Given Michael Donald wasn't accused of any crime, and the List of lynching victims in the United States article lists more recent examples, by what standard could his murder be the last lynching in the USA? 61.69.163.132 (talk) 06:44, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- "...lynching was one of many forms of racism inflicted on African Americans." ---> "...lynching was one of many forms of racism inflicted on African Americans." Like the lead. [Done. Noleander (talk) 01:16, 22 April 2025 (UTC)]
- I believe the NAACP should be unabbreviated and introduced in Background like the lead again.
- Moreso personal preference, but I think efn A should say "This photograph" rather than "The photograph". [Done. Noleander (talk) 01:16, 22 April 2025 (UTC)]
- "...the United States declared war on Germany and joined the allied powers in World War I." ---> "...the United States declared war on the German Empire and joined the Allied Powers of World War I" [Done. Noleander (talk) 01:16, 22 April 2025 (UTC)]
- "Unlike the anti-war parade of 1914 and the red cross parade of 1917..." Know any links?
- "Men, women and children alike were invited..." Missing an Oxford comma.
- "During the week before the parade, major newspapers in several states published articles announcing the parade." ---> "During the week before the parade, major newspapers in several states published articles announcing it."
- "...prepared a flyer which was distributed before the parade as an invitation, and during the parade to bystanders." ---> "...prepared a flyer which was distributed before and during the parade as an invitation to bystanders."
- 57th street, Fifth Avenue, and Madison Square are linked in "The parade" but not the lead.
- "People of all races looked on from both sides of Fifth Avenue. The New York Age estimated that 15,000 African Americans watched the parade." ---> "People of all races looked on from both sides of Fifth Avenue, including an estimated 15,000 African Americans according to The New York Age."
- "...white people stopped to listen to African Americans explain the reasons for the march and other white bystanders expressed support..." ---> "...white people stopped to speak to the marchers as other white bystanders expressed support..."
- Unlink World War I per my suggestion earlier
- Jim Crow is linked again.
- "In July 1918 Wilson issued a..." Comma.
- "In 2022, 67 years after the murder of Emmett Till, and after the end of the lynching era, the United States Congress passed the Emmett Till Antilynching Act..." Personal preference, but I'd mention that it was the 117th Congress.
- "The report urged the U.S. congress to take action. The report identified..." ---> "The report urged the U.S. congress to take action and identified..."
- Unlink lynched in "Red Summer".
Good luck with getting that brown star. History like this needs it.
Consider reviewing my own peer review for FAC! Tarlby (t) (c) 04:52, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Tarlby - Thanks so much for taking the time to make these suggestions. I'll process these comments soon! Noleander (talk) 14:35, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Tarlby - Thanks again. I've finished implementing most of your suggestions. I skipped a couple suggestions you made to add links into the Lead, per MOS:LEADLINK ... which asks editors be careful with links in the Lead, otherwise the Lead could end up being 80% blue. Noleander (talk) 01:44, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
Phlsph7
Hello Noleander, happy to have a look at this nomination. I'm not very familiar with the topic so I'll focus on prose and other FA-relevant aspects.
WP:EARWIG finds a few potential copyvios with the websites https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/negro-silent-protest-parade-1917-anthony-houston-open-networker- (see [1]) and https://www.thecenterforruleoflaw.org/rule-of-law-blog/category/civil-rights-movement (see [2]). In some cases they are just unproblematic stock phrases and quotes, but not all of them. You could check whether the sentences appeared first on Wikipedia to evaluate who copied from whom or simply reformulate the problematic parts.
A few other other observations:
- African Americans soldiers of replace "Americans" with "American"
- worked with a group of influential community leaders at the St. Philip's Church in New York I think there should be no "the" before "St. Philip's Church in"
- the red cross parade of 1917 uppercase for "red cross"?
- African American boy scouts handed out flyer uppercase for "boy scout"?
- In 1968, the Civil Rights Act of 1968 created defined new federal crimes for violent acts based on the race of the victim. this sentence has two verbs: "created defined"
- the one hundredth anniversary should it be "one-hundredth"?
- in New York on the evening on July 28, 2017 I think it should be "evening of"
- country.... remove one period
- Lynchings were widespread extrajudicial killings which began in the United States' pre–Civil War South I think this is a restrictive relative clause, so it should have "that" instead of "which"
- members of a mob which conspired to injure a victim. Same here. Use "who" in case the pronoun is supposed to refer to the members.
- violence faced by African Americans; especially the recent I think this should be a comma since the following clause lacks a verb.
- marshalls replace with "marshals"
- The march began at 57th Street , and remove the space before the comma
- according to The New York Age." unnecessary quotation mark at the end
- them to due another appointment. replace "to due" with "due to"
- During the summer 1919 add "of" after "summer"
- for a prearranged appointment with the Wilson. remove "the" before "Wilson"
- In the citations section, you mix shortened footnote style with full citations. For consistency, it would probably be better to stick to one style. I have seen mixing in other FA nominations as well, so I'm not sure how central that is.
- I note that some commas are not where I would expect them to be. I remember we had an earlier conversation on this topic and I think it was not an obstacle for the nomination back then.
Phlsph7 (talk) 09:20, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Phlsph7 Thanks for the excellent feedback. I've corrected all of the issues (except cite format). I need to start using some kind of grammar checking tool :-) Regarding cite format: I arrived at this approach after balancing three goals (1) consistency of cite format; (2) minimizing # of clicks reader's must perform to reach the detailed cite info; and (3) limiting "Sources" section to include only major/significant sources (i.e. leave trivial/minor sources in the "Citations" section). After balancing all those goals, I arrived at this approach, which successfully passed FA in my prior FA article Margaret Sanger. I admire the elegance of the "100% short cite" layout seen in Value theory and many other FA articles, but it drives me crazy to have to click twice to reach the cite details (especially for sources that are cited only once). Noleander (talk) 14:36, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
Slotkin source quote re Silent Parade
For reference: from Lost battalions by Richard Slotkin
For civilian Harlem, Hayward's and Roosevelt's gestures did not outweigh this evidence that White America cared little for the victims of East St. Louis or the grievances of African-Americans. Community leaders organized a "Silent Protest Parade" on July 28, in which ten thousand marchers, led by children and women dressed in white, "paraded down Fifth Avenue to the sound of muffled drums." Though the marchers were silent, they carried banners that asked, "Mother, Do Lynchers Go to Heaven?" and challenged the administration to make good on its pretensions to be the worldwide defender of democracy: "Mr. President, Why Not Make America Safe for Democracy?" "Patriotism and Loyalty Presuppose Protection and Liberty." The marchers' manifesto memorialized "our butchered dead" as "honest toilers who were removing the reproach of laziness and thriftlessness hurled at the entire race. They died proving our worthiness to live."
Noleander (talk) 02:22, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
For reference: from Williams book
From Torchbearers of democracy : African American soldiers in the World War I era by Williams, Chad Louis
For African Americans across the country who read about the horrors of East St. Louis, the rhetoric of democracy and unconditional loyalty to the nation rang painfully hollow. How could black people muster the patriotic spirit and strength to fight for the nation, when the murder of innocent men, women, and children went unpunished? As East St. Louis made abundantly clear, loyalty did not and could not necessitate acquiescence to segregation, racial violence, and government discrimination. Editorials criticizing the violence filled the pages of black newspapers.60 The Norfolk Journal and Guide , which had only recently boasted of the loyalty of Richmond’s black community, boldly called upon the government to provide justice or “renounce its purposes for entering the world war and stand convicted among the nations of the earth as the greatest hypo¬ crite of all times.”61 The Cleveland Advocate called upon Woodrow Wilson to denounce “the barbarity committed at East St. Louis” and questioned just how he could boast “to make ‘democracy safe for humanity’ when humanity is un¬ safe in our own country.”62 In addition to the fiery words of black editors, the East St. Louis massacre sparked collective political action. On July 28, 1917, the naacp held a “silent protest parade” down Fifth Avenue in New York City in response to the riot and the continued terrorism of African Americans through¬ out the country. It represented a dramatic demonstration of black political for¬ titude and civilized respectability in the wake of raw barbarism. To the sounds of muffled drums, eight thousand African Americans, women dressed in white gowns, men dressed in black suits, marched and held signs of protest, many in¬ voking Woodrow Wilson’s own rhetoric. “Mr. President,” one of the placards poignantly read, “why not make America safe for democracy?
Noleander (talk) 02:25, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
Areas for expansion
Seemingly valuable secondary sources include Morrissett 2013, Francis 2014, Denise 2024, Viera 2024, Golding 2022, Crow 2023, Keene 2018, and Colbert 2017.
I've taken a look at some other sources with coverage, to highlight aspects that I think are missing from the article. I haven't looked as closely at those that I linked above, but a good few of them seem to have even more coverage than those that I use as examples below:
- Dray, At the Hands of Persons Unknown (2003), gives two pages (235-7) to the march, and attributes the idea for its silence to Weldon Johnson, not Villard, and attributes writing of the "Why We March" flyer to "probably" Johnson. Patricia Sullivan, Lift Every Voice (2009) also attributes the suggestion to Johnson (69), and Wedin, Inheritors of the Spirit (1998) attributes "the skilled diplomatic hand of James Weldon Johnson" with shaping the parade that "astounded Fifth Avenue onlookers" Wedin also says that the Harlem branch of the NAACP was organized during the organization of the march, not the other way around, which seems to contradict what we say in our article(161).
- Butler, God in Gotham (2020) gives an attendance figure of "between five and ten thousand" (124). She also expands that what we describe as a "group of NAACP leaders" who went to DC included Du Bois, Adam Clayton Powell, and Madam C. J. Walker (189). Zangrando, The NAACP Crusade Against Lynching (1980) adds that "they conferred instead with his [Wilson's] long-term secretary, Joseph Tumulty, who promised vaguely that "the matter would not be neglected" (38)
- Sullivan 2009 describes the march as "one of the most stunning protest marches in the annals of the black freedom struggle" (69).
- Legacy
You mostly describe the failures of the march (fair enough), but many secondary sources highlight the precedent it set as a success. These include Dray (p.237). Ovington apparently told Arthur Spingarn that it was "the most encouraging thing I have seen for years" (Wedin 1998, 161). This aspect of the Parade's legacy and attention feels under covered in our article. It wasn't forgotten by everyone between 1917 and 2017.
- LOC states that from 1917-1930s, similar silent parades continued [3]. Zangrando mentions that "Johnson sent letters to all NAACP branches urging that they, in turn, organize parallel demonstrations throughout the nation" (38)
Specific parades that were inspired by this one include:
- 1917, Providence, R. I. (source)
- 1942, after the execution of Odell Waller (source)
- 2020, in support of Black trans women (source)
- Inspired a sculpture by Meta Vaux Warrick Fuller (source source 2)
- Women children
I think there's more to say about the unique role of women and children. Some sources that discuss the symbolic importance of their positioning include: Children
Women
- Evelyn M. Simien, ed. Gender and Lynching: The Politics of Memory (2011).
- Race and class
The NAACP in this time had many prominent white leaders (Ovington, Villard, May Childs Nerney (to plug my own article :P)). This makes the statement organizers of the Silent Parade felt that it was important that only African American people participate
especially interesting, and I would think that there might be more to say on this. Sullivan writes that "the [organizing] committee did not specifically exclude whites", but "the parade was designed to be an expression of black protest." She states that "members of the race representing all conditions and walks of life participated" including "for once, [as] the New York Age observed, Negro Americans, West Indians, and Haitians" (69). It would also have been shocking that Black people were allowed to participate in a parade in NYC in this time at all: Franck 2023 writes "For many years, black residents of the city were not permitted to participate in parades held along major avenues in Manhattan...A notable exception to the exclusion of parades of black people from avenues in Manhattan was the Silent Protest Demonstration held in 1917]" (p. 292).
- Military
A major aspect of civil rights advocacy in this period was the influence of soldiers returning from the War. See, for instance Victor Daly, Robert T. Kerlin, Edgar Caldwell. I don't think this is really addressed sufficiently in the article now. I imagine that Slotkin, Williams, or Mjagkij might talk about this.
- Sammons and Morrow 2014 explicitly link the two (pp. 146-147)
- Dray writes that the men who marched were wearing military uniforms and "bearing a sign that read: WE WERE FIRST IN FRANCE--ASK PERSHING." (p. 236). It is worth noting that other sources state that the men were wearing suits (Butler 2020, 124) Sullivan 2009 clarifies that "some" wore US Army uniforms (69).
Anyways, long comment to say: I think there's a good bit of scholarship that is not cited in the article, which could expand it and allow you to decrease reliance substantially on primary reporting (always a good thing). Eddie891 Talk Work 12:03, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
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