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Fails GNG. Article was refbombed with unreliable and trivia articles. BEFORE proves that this topic doesn't have any sigcov at all. This source perhaps [1] is the only good one but theres nothing more. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 00:42, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Video games. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 00:42, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
• Keep A vanilla scholar search appears to be legitimately confounded by the term's use as a last name. But there is this: Winter, J. (2023). “There Is No War, There Is Only Harvest”: Diplomatic Realpolitik and Combat Gameplay in Mass Effect. In: BioWare's Mass Effect. Palgrave Science Fiction and Fantasy: A New Canon. Palgrave Macmillan, Cham. https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-031-18876-3_3. This whole book is available here, and I've ordered a copy. I'll note that if Salarians are covered significantly in multiple independently authored, this one book would provide significant coverage to retain the article. I'll know more Tuesday, but the first chapter I downloaded (I have university library access) appears to be valid. Jclemens (talk) 07:24, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
• Keep While it is true that some of the used sources are not suitable (blogs), there are other fine ones like Storytelling in Video Games. Taking those together we are nearing the threshold where this is not a stub. Including Jclemens' source and The Bloomsbury Handbook of Sex and Sexuality in Game Studies, p. 269-270, which analyzes the Salarians in their asexuality providing story-telling opportunities beyond "heteronormativity", should bring the article pretty clearly beyond that. Therefore notability is established. Daranios (talk) 11:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
• Keep...but consider TNT & Rebuild While there is definitely some idea of notability here, I think a bit problem is so much of it relies on questionable refs and Valnet, and some of the former are interwoven into the article, concerns I brought up to the article's main contributor on his talk page. I would love to see this get overhauled as looking at their contribs they're working on further articles, and it'd help prevent a snowballing problem that'll be a pain to fix later.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 15:12, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

But WP:TNT would mean there is nothing worthwhile to preserve of current article content. But - aside from plot summary, which is also a relevant part of such an article - we have realiable, academic sources in the article. And Valnet sources have to be distinguished: While generally not relevant with regard to notability, many are still considered reliable for entertainment purposes. Daranios (talk) 11:40, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

TNT also means sometimes there's something worth using but it needs to be rebuilt. A key problem is that there are references that shouldn't be used nestled in the body, not just the reception, and it needs to be taken apart and possibly started over in some areas. Either way the comment is directed at the author, not a suggestion for the AfD results.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 13:32, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

• Draftify Per Kung Fu Man. I had rejected it earlier, but it was incorrectly approved by a different reviewer. Still requires massive fixes/rewrite. Will these ever be done by the creator? Unknown, but badly sourced articles should not be allowed into mainspace. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:15, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

  Comment There are several drafts that are not being updated by original authors per the comments left there and it leads to decline. I performed WP:BEFORE before accepting it and it turned out to be a notable subject.

  There was too much relevant information to decline with multiple sources. I tried to bring the tone to neutral myself and informed the author on their talk page to do so. Since then, the author is also active and has done their part including cleaning such sources. There are other editors who have done their bid to rectify any errors. No need for drafity as it is much better now than previously rejected versions. Give it a day, I will inform the author again and help them out in more cleaning wherever if needed. HilssaMansen19Irien1291S • spreading wiki love ~ Message here; no calls 17:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

  Comment article is fine now, well attributed and good refs. I appreciate Oreun who has been working for past few days in order to save the article. If there are still any minor issues please share that on the talk page or help by editing. HilssaMansen19Irien1291S • spreading wiki love ~ Message here; no calls 15:31, 9 June 2025 (UTC)