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'''Aerm Ariaentje''', also known as '''Adriana''' (born c. 1516; buried on 12 August 1624 in Zutphen), was a Dutch woman known for her remarkable longevity.<ref>{{Cite book |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=Q-FLAAAAcAAJ |via=Google Books |title=Memoryen, ofte cort verhael der gedenck-weerdichste so kercklicke als werltlicke gheschiedenissen |author=[[Willem Baudartius]] |publisher=Ian Iansz |year=1625 |language=nl |access-date=22 June 2025 |pages=125–126}}</ref> |
'''Aerm Ariaentje''', also known as '''Adriana''' (born c. 1516; buried on 12 August 1624 in Zutphen), was a Dutch woman known for her remarkable longevity.<ref>{{Cite book |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=Q-FLAAAAcAAJ |via=Google Books |title=Memoryen, ofte cort verhael der gedenck-weerdichste so kercklicke als werltlicke gheschiedenissen |author=[[Willem Baudartius]] |publisher=Ian Iansz |year=1625 |language=nl |access-date=22 June 2025 |pages=125–126}}</ref> |
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Comment: This is a direct translation of the Dutch language source, which appears to be copyrighted. I can see that you've attributed the translation from dewiki, but unfortunately that page appears to be a copyright violation of the Dutch source too. MCE89 (talk) 11:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
- I wasn't aware that the German wikipedia has pages that are a copyright violation. I started all over, starting from the Dutch wikipedia and improving sentences and references. 95.98.65.177 (talk)
- Comment: merely being old doesn't make her notable and this requires some editing to be comprehensible. Theroadislong (talk) 11:21, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Note she is a long lasting effect and is seen as one of the most important women in Dutch history and more than just a centenarian. And note WPGNG where you are linking to is about sourcing. With the correct sources a person meets GNG.
- I tried to improve the English language and improved the reasoning for notability. I don't think sourcing is an issues as explaiend at the talk page of Theroadislong. 95.98.65.177 (talk)
- In previous reviews Theroadislong and CoconutOctopus on 23 June had comments regarding to sourcing. I had asked them about the sourcing at the talk page of Theroadislong and argued I didn't feel there was enough significant coverage (without further substantiation). I also asked talk page of CoconutOctopus who who also didn't reason the reliability and indepences of the sources (they commented that in the review) and stated "feel free to resubmit!" (and as the person is seen as one the main women in Dutch history, WP:BIO1E is not a good reasoning).
- In my opinion the sources is good enough as wanted at WP:GNG. For instance reference work Digitaal Vrouwenlexicon van Nederland (containing 1001 biographies of famous women of the Netherlands) is reliable and this specific source has even its own Wikipedia article. And this work by Willem Baudartius (1625) and this book by François Halma are works from the 17th century and 18 century with sections written about her from reliable writers. The books are old, but I think reliable sources cannot become outdated? No one has been able to tell me what is wrong with the sources. 95.98.65.177 (talk) 21:03, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
Aerm Ariaentje, also known as Adriana (born c. 1516; buried on 12 August 1624 in Zutphen), was a Dutch woman known for her remarkable longevity.[1]
Due to her extraordinary age, a children’s street song was composed about her and several historical works have been written about her. She is adopted in the 1001 Vrouwen uit de Nederlandse geschiedenis; 1001 biographies of famous women of the Netherlands.
Biography
Despite living in poverty, Ariaentje reportedly never lacked necessities. Her nickname "Aerm" derives from the Dutch word arm, meaning "poor." She lived as a kostkoper, a resident who paid for board and care, in a proveniershuis or poorhouse. She never married. Until her death, she was said to retain "the full use of all her senses and her cheerfulness." She died in August 1624 and was buried on 12 August in Zutphen. There is some inconsistency among sources regarding her exact age, but the most reliable account appears to be from the preacher Willem Baudartius (1598–1640). Reportedly astonished by her age, he is said to have commissioned the following Latin inscription on her gravestone: “Virgo Adriana jacet tumulo tumulata sub isto / centenos septemque annos quae vixit, et ultra.” (Translation: "Under this stone lies buried a maiden of one hundred years, and to that seven more. Believe it freely, for it is true.") Her estate at death consisted of a debt of four stuivers, a small amount, likely owed for boarding at the institution.[2][3][4]
Legacy
Due to her extraordinary age, a children’s street song was composed about her, which has been passed down for over a century. Around a hundred years after her death, Dutch historian François Halma included a section titled Adriana in his 1725 work Tooneel der Vereenigde Nederlanden ("Theatre of the United Netherlands"), which featured stories of very old people. Her story continued to be cited in other works over time including reference works by Chalmot and Jan Christiaan Kobus / W. de Rivecourt. She is adopted in the 1001 Vrouwen uit de Nederlandse geschiedenis; 1001 biographies of famous women of the Netherlands.[3][4][5]
References
- ^ Willem Baudartius (1625). Memoryen, ofte cort verhael der gedenck-weerdichste so kercklicke als werltlicke gheschiedenissen (in Dutch). Ian Iansz. pp. 125–126. Retrieved 22 June 2025 – via Google Books.
- ^ "Aerm Ariaentje". Biografisch Portaal. Huygens Institute. Retrieved 22 June 2025.
- ^ a b François Halma (1725). Tooneel der Vereenigde Nederlanden (part 1) (in Dutch). Hendrik Halma. p. 34. Retrieved 22 June 2025 – via Google Books.
- ^ a b "Aerm Ariaentje". Digitaal Vrouwenlexicon van Nederland. 2014. Retrieved 22 June 2025.
- ^ Sjoerd Galema (2000). Bewoners gereconstrueerd. De bewoning van het zeventiende-eeuwse Zutphen (in Dutch). Stadsarchief Zutphen. ISBN 9074722075.