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== Cross-Strait conflict: PRC and ROC ==
'''Initiated by ''' [[User:Supreme Dragon|Supreme Dragon]] ([[User talk:Supreme Dragon|talk]]) '''at''' 00:43, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

=== Involved parties ===
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*{{userlinks|Supreme Dragon}}, ''filing party''
*{{admin|JohnBlackburne}}
*{{userlinks|Matt Smith}}
*{{userlinks|Lemongirl942}}
*{{userlinks|Kanguole}}
*{{userlinks|AjaxSmack}}
*{{userlinks|Miklcct}}
*{{userlinks|George Ho}}

;Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGeorge_Ho&type=revision&diff=787029463&oldid=786980221 George Ho]
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMiklcct&type=revision&diff=787030838&oldid=786595692 Miklcct]
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Matt_Smith&diff=787029513&oldid=774079272 Matt Smith]
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JohnBlackburne&diff=787029548&oldid=785638728 JohnBlackburne]

;Confirmation that other steps in [[Wikipedia:dispute resolution|dispute resolution]] have been tried
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republic_of_China&type=revision&diff=786595605&oldid=786534148]
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republic_of_China_(1949%E2%80%9371)&oldid=742912219]

Pages that related to Cross-Strait conflict for example:
*[[National Emblem of the People's Republic of China]]
*[[Republic of China (1949–71)]] (now redirected)
*[[Taiwan]]
*[[China]]

=== Statement by Supreme Dragon ===
Because of the PRC/ROC edit confusion, I propose this case to make it similar to how the Israeli-Palestinian articles are treated as such and we wanted the articles related to the Cross-Strait entities under 1RR enforcement. Since many people referred to either the Republic of China as "Taiwan" the island and the People's Republic of China as "China" things came out of hand because Taiwan was a former Japanese colony for 50 years.

How about we propose a WikiProject Cross-Strait collaboration just like how the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration|WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration]] did. Is there a way to resolve this issue?

Another issue is the [[WP:COMMONNAME]] and [[WP:NAME]], why can't most pages like the PRC and ROC follow the [[Chinese Wikipedia]]?

=== Statement by JohnBlackburne ===
Not sure exactly what is being proposed here, but I have some prior experience of arbitration and this is not a suitable matter for arbitration, both in what is being asked and in other avenues being exhausted.--<small>[[User:JohnBlackburne|JohnBlackburne]]</small><sup>[[User_talk:JohnBlackburne|words]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/JohnBlackburne|deeds]]</sub> 00:50, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

=== Statement by Matt Smith ===
I'm not sure about what specific actions you would like to perform. Could you please elaborate? --[[User:Matt Smith|Matt Smith]] ([[User talk:Matt Smith|talk]]) 02:50, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

=== Statement by Lemongirl942 ===
=== Statement by Kanguole ===
=== Statement by AjaxSmack ===
=== Statement by Miklcct ===
Although undoubtedly, the [[WP:COMMONNAME]] of PRC is China and [[WP:COMMONNAME]] of ROC is Taiwan, it is not always true along the history, and after the prolonged discussion of [[Talk:Taiwan/Archive 20]], the original [[Taiwan|Republic of China]] article (most of which is about the current state [[WP:COMMONNAME|commonly known]] as [[Taiwan]]) moved to [[Taiwan]] and it is supposed that "An article narrowly formulated about the government of Taiwan and its history can be created at [[Republic of China]]."

However, the attempt to do the latter is frequently get reverted over years, leaving ongoing confusion, and against consensus of the discussion.

=== Statement by George Ho===
I have been involved in ArbCom. This time, the issue hasn't escalated yet. I told the requestor to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Supreme_Dragon&oldid=786858406#Your_interests_in_Taiwan_and_China reconsider] filing the request. However, seems that the requestor wants to go ahead as [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Szqecs&oldid=775544646#Last_ditch_attempt intended] and do this. Honestly, China and Taiwan titling has been debated for so long, yet I request that the full case be declined. <s>Unsure about a motion as there were [[User:George Ho/Centralized discussion/China|disagreements at one talk page]] (formerly "[[Wikipedia talk:Centralized discussion/China]]"). One editor [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Chinese)&diff=next&oldid=776127047#Arbitrary_break_2 accusing] another of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ANaming_conventions_%28Chinese%29&type=revision&diff=776051817&oldid=775978956 something like this], though it's [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Chinese)&diff=next&oldid=776127197 self-reverted].</s> Still, the requestor (Supreme Dragon) and [[User:Szqecs|Szqecs]] should reconsider pursuing the titling changes further. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 01:39, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

On second thought, declining a motion either. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 01:46, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

===Statement by uninvolved Softlavender ===
{{U|Supreme Dragon}}, this case request is going to be turned down flat by ArbCom. You have not engaged in even one single form of [[WP:DR|Dispute Resolution]]. And this is a content dispute, which ArbCom never deals with. -- [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 01:44, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Question for ArbCom: What the hell is with the plethora of brand-new [https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Supreme+Dragon&project=en.wikipedia.org] editors making unwarranted ArbCom case requests this week? Are the warnings about exhausting all other forms of dispute resolution not clear or visible enough? Apparently not, so could someone fix that? I'm tired of typing the same thing over and over and over again. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 01:44, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

=== Statement by {Non-party} ===
Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information.
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=== Clerk notes ===
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=== Cross-Strait conflict: PRC and ROC: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <0/8/0> ===
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*'''Decline'''. Seriously: what the editor is proposing is in no way the business of ArbCom. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 01:42, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Decline'''. I don't think {{u|Supreme Dragon}} understands the arbitration process or the role of ArbCom under the [[WP:ARBPOL]]. '''[[User:Mkdw|<span style="color:black;text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px white, -4px -4px 15px white">Mkdw</span>]]''' [[User talk:Mkdw|<sup>''<span style="color: #0B0080;text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px white, -4px -4px 15px white">talk</span>''</sup>]] 02:21, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' premature. Could open [[WP:RFC|RfC]] for starters. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 05:04, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' per above. --[[User:kelapstick|kelapstick]]<sup>([[User talk:Kelapstick#top|bainuu]]) </sup> 05:22, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' the "prior dispute resolution" consists of a revert and a fix of a link to a disambiguation page from a year ago? (That has to be a mis-paste, right?) Premature and not really within our scope. Try an RfC if needed. [[User:Opabinia regalis|Opabinia regalis]] ([[User talk:Opabinia regalis|talk]]) 05:42, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' per all above. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 09:11, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' ditto. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 09:52, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' per above. While I realise that this is a difficult and controversial issue at the moment, there are many other (less lengthy and stressful) options (see [[WP:CONTENTDISPUTE]]) you should try before arbitration. <b>[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]</b> ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 07:18, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

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