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This is a really useful resource, but it ought to be on wikisource (which I don't think existed when the page was created), not on WP. Furius (talk) 10:43, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - a straight translation of a primary source is not an appropriate encyclopedia article. Anyhow, it looks like a direct copy of the translation linked in the source table at the bottom, making it a COPYVIO of that translation. Agricolae (talk) 12:26, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Not a copyvio because the translation was published in 1907. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 14:23, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - ...and the translator, E. A. Wallis Budge, died in 1934, meaning it went out of copyright in 2004 (life of author + 70 years). One of the book authors, Reginald Campbell Thompson, did not die until 1941, so anything else in the book did not go out of copyright until 2011. SpinningSpark 12:49, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    - OK, not a COPYVIO, but still WP:NOT what Wikipedia is for. Agricolae (talk) 19:34, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      - Specifically, WP:NOTREPOSITORY: "Public domain or other source material such as . . . original historical documents, . . . Complete copies of primary sources may go into Wikisource, but not on Wikipedia." Agricolae (talk) 18:33, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The text itself is very useful and actually has many accompanying elements, especially many photographs with captions as well as explanatory titles, which do add encyclopedic value. I would also like to volunteer to add a few lines of explanations at the beginning of each paragraph. If anything else has to be done, I think we should just change the name of the article to make it more in line with Wikipedia usage, or merge with the Behistun inscription article. पाटलिपुत्र (talk) 15:41, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Transwikify to Wikisource, linking to oldwikisource:Behistun Inscription/Column I. Smmurphy^(Talk) 18:30, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above; this should not be buried on Wikisource; the pictures and captions add greatly to the article. RobDuch (talk) 06:45, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really understand why the images, which are all of the primary source, could not be included in the article if it were on Wikisource. Furius (talk) 07:41, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Transwikify to Wikisource, and provide a sister project link to it in Behistun Inscription. SpinningSpark 13:09, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Transwikify -- The inscription is an important historical source, so that the article on it should certainly be kept, but the translation belongs in Wikisource, not WP. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:07, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep :: see User:RobDuch 's message above "this should not be buried on Wikisource"; and, as well as being a source, (now that it has been translated into English and given links and section titles) it stands fairly well as a Wikipedia article about part of Achaemenid Persian history, even though its author lived over 2000 years before computers or the internet or Wikipedia. King Darius referring to himself as "I" can be excused. The WIkisource version does not have the added notes. and secrion headings etc. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:05, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Transwikify''' to Wikisource, and provide a sister project link to it in [[Behistun Inscription]]. [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 13:09, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 *'''Transwikify''' -- The inscription is an important historical source, so that the article on it should certainly be kept, but the translation belongs in Wikisource, not WP.  [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 15:07, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' :: see User:RobDuch 's message above "''this should not be buried on Wikisource''"; and, as well as being a source, (now that it has been translated into English and given links and section titles) it stands fairly well as a Wikipedia article about part of Achaemenid Persian history, even though its author lived over 2000 years before computers or the internet or Wikipedia. King Darius referring to himself as "I" can be excused. The WIkisource version does not have the added notes. and secrion headings etc. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 06:05, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
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