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What again?

I'm a long term user (first edit 2006) and have been an admin on or off since 2007. When we first started there was so much idealism and we really had no strong policies about inclusion except a desire to have some level of sourcing. As time moved on we became more structured and around the time I became an admin in 2007 we were grappling with the concept of collapsing non notable articles into lists which I was at the forefront of as a regular afd closer and constant presence at DRV. I had a lot of patience once and for that reason was regular DRV closer for a long time after GR Berry left the project. Sadly, my patience was degraded over time and getting involved in the PORNBIO wars pretty much washed out a lot of the good faith that policy and courtesy quite rightly requires us to show. This was again a major change in our approach to content and one of the first SNGs that was deprecated in favour of a more rigid approach to proper sourcing. Since then our content in this area has become much better and we are seeing similar struggles now in the sports arena where SNGs are slowly giving way to GNG level standards.

I have always taken a very legalistic approach to closing discussions that I recognise does not fit well to the current community standard, where low participation level allowing more brigading of votes or allowing more non-policy based arguments. For this reason I'm not really closing discussions but will still happily review old closes. Otherwise I mostly review and nominate unsuitable content as a BLP is a serious matter and needs to be properly sourced.

i am willing to userfy deleted articles for improvement as long as there is a reasonable likelihood that they can be saved. If you are challenging a deletion, do you have three good sources?

Useful Links:

• Deletion Review
• Articles for Deletion
• Unblocks

Please don't leave talkback templates as I always watchlist pages when I edit and I'm perfectly capable of looking for a reply myself.

please stay in the top three tiers

Yoast SEO

Hello, I want to ask if you will consider backing out the closing of this AfD and relist? The article was a strong keep as (Yoast) in August 2919. User High King then gave the article a name change, and the original participants did not know that the article was up for deletion. In the Yoast AfD even JW !voted to keep. Keep - 100 employees, multiple reliable sources, notable product.--Jimbo Wales. I want to be clear that I am not accusing you of a bad close of the Yoast SEO AfD. I am just asking for a relist. Lightburst (talk) 23:14, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm surprised at the outcome as well; Yoast SEO is probably the gold-standard for that type of functionality on WordPress, itself the most widely-used CMS on the internet. At least one person favoring delete didn't realize that (thinking the product was two weeks old), and the comments in general didn't really engage with the topic. I realize that this doesn't translate into passing the GNG, but I would be shocked if sources didn't exist and the article deserves a better debate than what it got so far. Mackensen (talk) 00:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done to be clear I don't give Jimbo's opinion any weight as he has been out of synch for community expectations for retention for a very long time but the disparity between the first and second AFD are quite marked. When two well respected and sensible editors ask for a relist with reasonable grounds I would have to be extremely churlish not to give the AFD more time. Spartaz ^Humbug! 04:55, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, you had a good close based on the local consensus, so I appreciate the chance to look further into the subject. Also regarding block voting, we mostly try to !vote after either bringing rs to the AfD or adding rs to the articles. And I for one follow the contributions of the editors I respect. I used to follow Rebeccagreen, but her editing fell off a while ago. 7&6 is an editor I thoroughly respect, as I also respect Dream Focus, Green C and Andrew Davidson. Thanks for your kind comments on my talk, and for your comments about toning down on the ANI. I will examine the Yoast. Lev Reyk and Serial seem to have a visceral dislike of this ARS group. So much so that they are willing to sacrifice content in order to hurt ARS. Lev has AfDd articles I started and tried to sink DYKs that the group nominates, he even recently helped sink one for a DYK that was approved. I find that my life is better if I spend time creating content or improving content. I see why you are an admin, you are measured, accurate and fair. Sorry for dumping this on your talk page. Lightburst (talk) 13:39, 3 August 2020 (UTC)