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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 7, 2016.

Massimo Antonio Doris

Massimo Antonio Doris → Banca Mediolanum (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

It make no sense to redirect a name (the CEO) of the bank to the bank (and nothing inside the bank article for that person) Matthew_hk t c 17:54, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Professor of Politics

Professor of Politics → Daniel arap Moi (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Non-neutral, implausible redir, serving no valid purpose. Not recently created, and not a typo, so not subject to R3. DES ^(talk) 17:21, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. JohnInDC (talk) 17:31, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, though I would also be fine retargeting this to Politics in education. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 17:43, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dorset Olde Tyme Bulldogge

Dorset Olde Tyme Bulldogge → Bulldog breeds#Alternative bulldogs (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete. Not mentioned at target article, and not a synonym of Olde English Bulldogge; it's a WP:NFT "backyard breeder" attempt to invent a new dog breed by crossbreeding. We have no article on it, and surely will not unless some day a major kennel club (probably UKC, being the most permissive) recognizes it as a standardized breed. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ 15:41, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia padlocks

Wikipedia padlocks → Wikipedia:Protection policy (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Possibly misleading WP:XNR. Steel1943 (talk) 14:34, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete - on one hand it's not a useful redirect if there's no encyclopedic coverage of Wikipedia's protection system. It's possible there's a case for having such an article, but I'm not sure where it would be. On the other hand, you can already click on the padlock and be taken to the protection policy, so maybe this is actually harmless. I'm leaning delete because clicking on the padlock icon is already a better shortcut. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:40, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism of Jimbo Wales

Criticism of Jimbo Wales → Jimmy Wales (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Seems to be too negative to be appropriate, especially considering that Jimmy Wales is a BLP. Also, this redirect seems to meet WP:R#DELETE criterion 10: this could be expanded into its own article, and the article about Wales has very little information about how he has been criticized. Everymorning (talk) 14:23, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Poochie dog

Poochie dog → List of recurring The Simpsons characters#Poochie (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Poochie the dog → List of recurring The Simpsons characters#Poochie (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] added Si Trew (talk) 04:55, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Might be confused with a type of dog breed. Music1201 (talk) 00:49, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Weak retarget both to Poochie (The Simpsons), which I found on the DAB at Poochie (disambiguation) → Poochie, which I found on the DAB at Pooch. But at Poochie, there is only one entry that is not a dog (the Peanuts character), so that is a good if not perfect fit, too – we can split the DAB into sections for dogs and others. Si Trew (talk) 03:43, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I've taken the liberty to add Poochie the dog to the nom, with the section they both target. Si Trew (talk) 04:55, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Poochie -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 06:29, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep/Retarget I don't get the logic that a redirect to an informative article might lead to confusion with a type of dog breed. I would have thought such confusion would result from the lack of such a link. Bosley John Bosley (talk) 14:41, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So which is it, keep or retarget? If retarget, where? Si Trew (talk) 22:52, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is a Keep which is the most important part; but I worry that if someone feels the Retarget is the better option...and someone feels it is not...my keep vote will be used to argue that age old fallacy that there is no consensus to move. Bosley John Bosley (talk) 23:40, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody has suggested moving anything, and an argument that there is no consensus to move is not in itself a fallacy. Sometimes I find it difficult to follow your logic. Si Trew (talk) 14:56, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To clarify, the question is: Should these titles point to the breed of dog, or the character in The Simpsons?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Der yck C. 03:55, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Poochie is a disambiguaiton page, it lists all those topics. -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 05:40, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget both to Poochie given that every page option is presented CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:02, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hundreds-and-thousands

Hundreds-and-thousands → Sprinkles (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Hundreds and thousands → Nonpareils (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Hundreds & thousands → Sprinkles (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
100's and 1000's → Sprinkles (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
100s and 1000s → Sprinkles (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

~~Not sure~~ per WP:XY, WP:RFD#D2 confusing. Both targets mention both "hundreds and thousands" and "hundreds-and-thousands"; nonpareils also has "hundreds & thousands" (not linked) in the infobox, but Sprinkles, which it currently targets, doesn't use the "&" form. Hundreds & Thousands is an album; Hundreds And Thousands and Hundreds-And-Thousands are red.

I've cross-refed the merge discussion (at Talk:Nonpareils#Merger_proposal_with_Sprinkles_and_Muisjes) with this one. Personally I'd merge the two targets and split off chocolate nonpareils, but it doesn't look like the merge discussion will finish any time soon. Si Trew (talk) 06:20, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Hundreds-and-thousands (-> sprinkles) is at Glossary_of_British_terms_not_widely_used_in_the_United_States as "coloured sugar sprinkles used for dessert decoration (US: sprinkles, non-pareils, jimmies)". (non-pareils -> nonpareils.) Si Trew (talk) 06:54, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep & retarget to Sprinkles The pictures at sprinkles & non-pareils are what I recognise as 100s & 1000s. Bosley John Bosley (talk) 14:05, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- PS I've created a new one for hundreds & thousands (to sprinkles - they say eskimos have a hundred different words for snow. Us Brits have only one word for Hundreds-and-thousands...er...ok it is actually three... whereas it would seem you Americans have two. Unfortunately our one word -Hundreds & Thousands - has not been systemised in its spelling. Bosley John Bosley (talk) 14:14, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not American. British English also has "sugar strands". American English has "jimmies". To clarify, the "new one" was created at 100s & 1000s, not hundreds & thousands. If the pictures at both the targets are what you recognise as 100s & 1000s, why would you prefer one article over the other? Si Trew (talk) 22:40, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have fond childhood memories of Sprinkles which came in a container from the cake baking section - Nonpareils used to come on white chocolate buttons which were never my favourite. Bosley John Bosley (talk) 04:47, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate choose one and turn it into a disambiguation page for the two current targets shown, and all other uses (such as "many", as in the first two choices found at many) ; and redirect all the others to the new disambiguation page. Also indicate hundred thousand in the see also. -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 04:32, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are three issues: typography, lexicography, and the culinary basics. It is clear how to settel all these for the best:

for typography, have an article with title (exactly, mind) Hundreds and thousands (disambiguation) and list every last variation, capitalization, and/&, punctuation. DO the usual with music albums, book titles, movies, anything else, and links.
for the lexicography, give the article now called "Nonpareils" (which is definitely useless) the title Sprinkled confectionery nad begin by stating that this means a range of products known by a variety of names, then list all the names. Yes, ALL of them, and I mean the other European ones too because this is international cookery, people!! So: sprinkles, nonpareils (North America only), hundreds and thousands (British at least, with spelling & punctuation variations perhaps in a later note not here), strösseli (just in Wikipedia Finland is not enough to justify giving this but paste it into Google, click Images and just see the images you get!!), Muisjes (the aniseed core can be explained below), and any other terms by which English speakers may come across multicoloured sugar-coated stuff to be sprinkled on desserts or anything with sweet or sugary content as part of a fun sweet dish or snack.
for the culinary stuff, base the new on the existing page called "Nonpareils"; integrate the page now called "Sprinkles" because the only difference in the items discussed is that the latter are described as "strands"... Here some may quibble because the two definitive shapes are distinct, where the "Sprinkles" shape is the one in the top photo in the box called "rainbow sprinkles". But the 2nd photo there has much fatter, often shorter coated sugar particles that are often not geometrically distinct from the "nonpareils" in the photo in the box top right on that page though literalists might argue that these are by nature spherical and with a glossy finish. That is really just a detail. Then integrate also the page Muisjes.

92.21.221.68 (talk) 01:54, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That is all probably better off stated at the merge discussion, since it doesn't really affect the redirects. But I think we should convert to a DAB per 70.51, at Hundreds and thousands, and retarget all the others to it. Hundreds and thousands (disambiguation) can then be created as a {{R to disambiguation page}}; to put the DAB itself at (disambiguation) would imply a primary topic, which is exactly what we do not have right now. (If we did, we could just redirect all of these to that topic.) Si Trew (talk) 09:41, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I've created a draft DAB below the redirect at Hundreds and thousands. I don't think we need list every permutation of spelling. Si Trew (talk) 10:04, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Der yck C. 03:52, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Section header

Section header → Radical (Chinese characters) (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The term "section header" is ambiguous, so WP:XY applies. For example, on Wikipedia, it could mean text put between equal signs, which designate sections. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 00:02, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment so create a disambiguation page? -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 05:41, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Making a disambiguation page could make sense were this a more specific concept, but the usage of 'section headers' to organize bits of information into subsections is so incredibly broad. Think beyond just in terms of written Chinese, written English, written French, et cetera but then there's the organizational processes in computer programming, in physical engineering blueprints, and so on that's not even matters of 'written language' per se. It's possible that someone could create their own page on the general concept, I guess... we do have a Wikipedia article on 'The' after all. Yet that's justification to delete the redirect and leave the text red as well. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:35, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, though I'm also okay with making a DAB page. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 17:44, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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+*<span id="Massimo Antonio Doris">{{no redirect|1 = Massimo Antonio Doris }}</span> → [[:Banca Mediolanum]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Massimo Antonio Doris|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Massimo_Antonio_Doris&action=history history] '''·''' [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-08&end=2016-04-06&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Massimo_Antonio_Doris stats])</span></span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|''(@subpage)''|<span class="plainlinks">''[{{fullurl:Massimo Antonio Doris|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Massimo Antonio Doris]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Massimo Antonio Doris|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Massimo Antonio Doris]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Massimo Antonio Doris|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Massimo Antonio Doris]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]''</span>}}&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
+It make no sense to redirect a name (the CEO) of the bank to the bank (and nothing inside the bank article for that person) [[User:Matthew_hk|<span style="color:yellow; background-color:black;">Matthew_hk</span>]] [[User talk:Matthew_hk|''<font color="Blue">t</font>'']][[Special:Contributions/Matthew_hk|''<font color="red">c</font>'']] 17:54, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 ====<span id="Professor of Politics">Professor of Politics</span>====
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