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My edit on Harry-Oscar 1812 (my previous account)

Just recieved a message from you claiming I vandalised Harry-Oscar 1812 (talk page), which is indeed my first account. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anticitizen 98 (talk • contribs) 12:29, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

@Anticitizen 98: I'm glad you've explained that you changed accounts, although we only have your word for that. Had you made the change in your old account or at least claimed the other account on your current user page, I'd've left it alone. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:44, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

I also deleted this account's userpage, will be using my new account from now.Harry-Oscar 1812 (talk) 12:54, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

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Yeah for the squirrels

They made it to DYK. It is also the first listing. I am so proud. Best Regards, Barbara ✐  ✉ 10:26, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

@Barbara (WVS): I'm happy for you that your eccentricity has found a home in the humor column at The Signpost and the April Fools' DYK. I think it's important that you have your niches within which to contribute. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:42, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you? Best Regards, Barbara ✐  ✉ 01:18, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

personally i am concerned about the security risk of cute kittensCoolabahapple (talk) 00:14, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2018).

Administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

• Administrators who have been desysopped due to inactivity are now required to have performed at least one (logged) administrative action in the past 5 years in order to qualify for a resysop without going through a new RfA.
• Editors who have been found to have engaged in sockpuppetry on at least two occasions after an initial indefinite block, for whatever reason, are now automatically considered banned by the community without the need to start a ban discussion.
• The notability guideline for organizations and companies has been substantially rewritten following the closure of this request for comment. Among the changes, the guideline more clearly defines the sourcing requirements needed for organizations and companies to be considered notable.
• The six-month autoconfirmed article creation trial (ACTRIAL) ended on 14 March 2018. The post-trial research report has been published. A request for comment is now underway to determine whether the restrictions from ACTRIAL should be implemented permanently.

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• There will soon be a calendar widget at Special:Block, making it easier to set expiries for a specific date and time.

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• The Arbitration Committee is considering a change to the discretionary sanctions procedures which would require an editor to appeal a sanction to the community at WP:AE or WP:AN prior to appealing directly to the Arbitration Committee at WP:ARCA.

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• A discussion has closed which concluded that administrators are not required to enable email, though many editors suggested doing so as a matter of best practice.
• The Foundations' Anti-Harassment Tools team has released the Interaction Timeline. This shows a chronologic history for two users on pages where they have both made edits, which may be helpful in identifying sockpuppetry and investigating editing disputes.

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Shayna Baszler

What more proof do you need? That's their official music page. What else do you need for a "source"? --Evil Yugi (talk) 01:14, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

@Evil Yugi: First, that youTube video is a song uploaded by WWE. It doesn't say that it's her entrance theme. Second, you put a link in your edit summary. You need to make an in-line citation. Also, the rest of that section is cited and you restored all of that, as well. Please see WP:42 and WP:V. We need an independent, reliable source. You don't belong on Wikipedia if you can't be bothered to cite the stuff that you as a fan want to see. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:23, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

With all due respect, she's been using that song since she came into NXT. I'm not entirely sure how else to cite it except link video of the WWE Network, which is quite reliable in itself. I'm not a pro at editing and I probably never will be, but you could at least look into video footage and see that her theme is correct. --Evil Yugi (talk) 01:29, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

@Evil Yugi: No, you need to understand that not everything that is true can be cited. Wikipedia is a collection of what can be cited, not what's true. Because you're a fan, you're invested in making the article say what her current entrance theme is. But without a proper citation, that's a fact which can't be included. Some people might be willing to accept the WWE's YouTube channel and that's their fault, not mine. I'm not editing that article anymore because of you. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:59, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

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Got It (but can't add it)

I'm trying to add ref (7) to a CIA document: https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol-61-no-1/pdfs/virginia-halls-steps.pdf I cut and pasted the address, (it's about the discovery of Virginia Hall's trail she used across the Pyrenees) but doesn't seem to open the link. Any thoughts? thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CGralley (talk • contribs) 19:53, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

@CGralley: Already fixed it. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:55, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Mike Jackson (fighter)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Jackson_(fighter) The MMA Fighter page just got a Maintenance Tag. I did every i can to avoid that, but still tagged it.🥇BUSriderSFUser (talk • contribs) 20:09, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

@BusriderSF2015: Mike Jackson (fighter) fails WP:MMABIO, which requires three fights in a top-tier promotion. I thought the rule only required one fight, which is why I didn't nominate it for deletion, myself. When starting a new article, you need to be sure the subject passes some part of WP:N. When you just write stuff you have citations for without taking notability into consideration, your hard work could get deleted. Jackson already has one fight in the UFC and he's scheduled for a a second one. What I could do is move the article into draft space and then it can stay there unsubmitted until Jackson has his third fight in the UFC when he'll be notable. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:16, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/20057-mike-jackson Tapology stated he has 3 MMA Fights already?..CM PUNK fight going be 4th...how to fix.🥇BUSriderSFUser (talk • contribs) 20:32, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

@BusriderSF2015: The amateur fight doesn't count and neither does the Muay Thai fight. Jackson has only one UFC fight so far and he needs three. Not just planned matches, but fights he actually competed in. Shall I move it to draft or would you rather take your chances? It's possible people might ignore it for now but the subject isn't notable so it could be deleted. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:38, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

I will take my chances because in many years people with Maintenance Tags are able keep the page alive within that status. Even if MMA Fighter Mike Jackson did not fight 3 UFC fight, its should be "worthy of notice" enough to know that he fighting a Former ECW Championship, World Heavyweight Championship, World Tag Team Championship, WWE Championship and WWE Intercontinental Championship. CM Punk is a superstar. I believe this is "worthy of notice" after the UFC225: CM PUNK vs Mike Jackson fight. 🥇BUSriderSFUser (talk • contribs) 21:25, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

That's not how notability works here. When the article is nominated for deletion, be sure to ask for a WP:REFUND. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:43, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Here submit my Challenges on one of your edits

@Chris troutman: I am here to challenge your recent edit stating that it does not follow a policy in Wikapedia, {WP:SPS} under "Sources that are usually not reliable" Dispute these source ""usually" not reliable. For this case i disagree for reddit part of the source. Mike "The Jackson" had a verification successfully passed (to confirm he the actual source of owner of the person) in the Q&A He made and this is a valid reliable source at this time. https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/5bp1dt/i_am_mike_the_truth_jackson_pro_fighter_and_mma/ and his Personal Site too (ok source for this case with use of WP:COMMONSENSE. Cheers.

Short Version

• Mike "The Truth" Jackson Q&A at Reddit (its really him and was verified) for this case, this is a reliable source at this time.
• The Podcast site/BIO Site is also reliable for this case. (No other google research can be found for his bio except that site.

🥇BUSriderSFUser (talk • contribs) 23:52, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Archive

Hi Chris, I very nearly headed to ANI fearing the worst!, I'm assuming your link was meant to point to this and not my reply moving on their page?, Hope you're okay, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 20:56, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

@Davey2010: So sorry if I've caused misunderstanding. I am, as usual, unhappy with life and the human race. I was pointing to the removal of MizaBot enabled by a generous reading of WP:IAR. I wasn't pointing to any of your actions. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi Chris, Ah no worries I'm just glad you're okay!, Bizarrely I feel the same way as you .... If it helps it's all only going to get worse lol, Bring back the 90s I say!, I feel as if I want to revert that editor but at the same time I don't want to edit war on a deceased editors talkpage I feel that'd be disrespectful although one could say it's disrespectful to tamper with their talkpage like that, Anyway I'm just glad you're okay!, Take care, –Davey2010^Talk 21:13, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Ichthus April 2018

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Belated Happy Easter and Kalo Pascha! We're excited to announce the return of our newsletter Ichthus! Getting this issue out was touch-and-go for a while. Check out what's happening at the Project:

• There was a lively discussion about the Easter Did You Know nomination Christ the Lord is Risen Today
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• In anticipation of being nominated for Featured article, Presbyterian Church in the United States of America was put up for Peer Review by Ltwin
• The death of Billy Graham on February 21 was a profound loss for many. For the Wikipedia reaction see this discussion. Graham received a blurb.
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Jesus (7–2 BC to 30–33 AD) is the central figure of Christianity, whom the teachings of most Christian denominations hold to be the Son of God and the awaited Messiah of the Old Testament. Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that a historical Jesus existed, although there is little agreement on the reliability of the gospel narratives and how closely the biblical Jesus reflects the historical Jesus. Most scholars agree that Jesus was a Jewish preacher from Galilee, was baptized by John the Baptist, and was crucified in Jerusalem on the orders of the Roman prefect, Pontius Pilate. Christians generally believe that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of a virgin, performed miracles, founded the Church, died by crucifixion as a sacrifice to achieve atonement, rose from the dead, and ascended into heaven, from which he will return. The great majority of Christians worship Jesus as the incarnation of God the Son, the second of three Persons of a Divine Trinity. A few Christian groups reject Trinitarianism, wholly or partly, as non-scriptural. In Islam, Jesus is considered one of God's important prophets and the Messiah. (Full article...)

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Harassment and hounding

I feel harassed and now hounded by Davey2010. As you noted at his talk page, he stated he wanted me to stay away from it. If you also notice, he stated he wanted nothing more to do with me. So, if that's truly the case, why is he - just a short time afterward - reverting my edits and thanking me for something I put on in my own userspace? (see the following: [1], [2][3] This whole drama with him started almost two nights ago. He reverted a photo I had placed in an article, when I went to his talk page to discuss it with him, he responded with the following edit summary: "It's 3 in the morning I'm not arguing - If you want it changed start an RFC". Because he had I have been friendly for a couple of years, I thought it odd he wouldn't even discuss it, so I thought he was joking with his edit summary, or maybe just having a bad night. In an attempt to lighten the mood, I responded by Trouting him here. His response? "Fuck off!, Just sayin'". To say I was confused would be an understatement. I figured maybe he just needed some time to sort some things out. Just a few days ago, he commented on an RfC I started and everything seemed fine. Curiously, after he told me to fuck off, he removed the FRS notice for that RfC (see here). And then this happened today: [4]; the reason why I went back to his talk page: [5], [6], [7], [8], [9]. His response: ""it does seem as if you have a vendetta" - You really know how to ruin things huh, Kindly don't ever post here again unless it's ANI notifications, I genuinely want nothing more to do with you.) [10]. And then, my response to him re: reverting my edits: [11]. That's what you reverted off his talk page. Fair enough. But... in your message to me on my own talk page ("You were asked not to edit there, so I reverted you. On talk pages other than your own, you don't get to have the last word. If you still have issues with Davey2010, then I suggest a drama board would be more appropriate"), I don't still have issues with him. *HE* has issues with me, and I have no idea what they are. Which I can live with, but not if he's going to continue to revert my edits and then "thank" me for something I placed on my own talk page and certainly not after he says, "I genuinely want nothing more to do with you". That's harassment. And, frankly, I believe that he's reverting my reversions knowing I can't revert again because of my 1RR restriction. I don't want to go to a drama board. I'm coming to you because you stepped in. I'm hoping you can get him to change his behavior. It feels very, very much like harassment and I'd like it to stop. Thanks. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 01:28, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

• I'm about to head off so not going to write one gigantic statement so i'll keep it short and to the point - Winklevi having seen you argue with everyone you're IMHO someone who argues to death with someone until you get your own way or desired way ..... which is why I was unwilling to discuss it with you (also your talkpage message wasn't even a polite one you just came demanding I do something),

I don't have an issue with you and as I explained in one of my replies today I would've reverted regardless who the editor or admin was .....

The whole 1RR thing is horsehit - Truth be told I had absolutely no idea you were even on a 1rr ....

At the end of the day Winklevi If I object to you changing something I'll then say/revert - Alls you need to do is go to the talkpage and start an RFC - Had you been more of a community person I would've happily discussed it with you but I'm not discussing something with someone who sees it as "I'M RIGHT, YOU'RE WRONG, REVERT NOW" .....,

Last but least that whole segement on your userpage was directed at me and so in a sarcastic way I thanked you for it ..... but duly noted I shan't thank nor shall I interact with you - I don't like reverting you trust me but If I object to you doing something than it's my right to revert just like it is with everyone else - If you want to take my reverts as a personal thing than that's your problem not mine),

If you want an IBAN done by all means go & do that but for me life's too short for pathetic dramas such as this and quite frankly I think it's fair to say you and I have far better things to do with our time,

My suggestion would be if you want to change an image then start an RFC beforehand as that way it makes you, me and others happy. –Davey2010^Talk 01:57, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Also inregards to the fuck off thing - After removing that section (telling you to start an RFC) you then decided trouting me was a great idea hence that fuck off comment, I shant keep replying here as I feel it's unfair to take up someone elses tp with it all. 02:03, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

"The whole 1RR thing is horsehit - Truth be told I had absolutely no idea you were even on a 1rr" Blatant lie. You were the last one to comment at the AN filing where I was brought back from 0RR to 1RR. Your words there were: "Support 1RR - The opposes all raise valid concerns however lets be honest this 0rr is a gag and it's great short term however I don't agree with it being an indef thing - Everyone deserves atleasr 1rr! - Obviously you shouldn't edit war but you also shouldn't be gagged indef." [12]. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 02:12, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Blatant truth - We've never really interacted as such in all the years we've known each other so why in gods name would I remember something I commented on in 2017 that had absolutely nothing to do with me ?, I had genuinely forgot that I even commented on it because it clearly wasn't something worth remembering (After ANI, had we interacted on a daily basis then yes I would've remembered but as we haven't I clearly forgot) .... But then again had I had any sort of clue about your 1rr thing then that's still your issue not mine - I've never forced you to revert and tried to make you ? .... I've reverted stating my opinions and expected you to head to the talkpage on each occasion (the same way I revert any and every one) . –Davey2010^Talk 02:30, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't know if you're having memory problems or what, but for a while, you and I exchanged several emails in the past regarding...ta-da!...images. We've interacted quite a bit since at least 2016. Our interactions have always been friendly until you told me to fuck off a couple of nights ago. The AN comment was in November (only five months ago) and you commented at the other ANI re: 0RR for me and Coffee's block discussion about a year ago as well. We've exchanged pleasantries on numerous occasions including RfCs and article talk page discussions. I don't know what the deal is, if you're having memory issues or what, but if you really, really "genuinely" don't want to have anything to do with me, then cut the crap. Stop reverting my edits over and again and don't "Thank" me for something I did at my own talk page. It really does feel like harassment and I want it to end. Now. I don't think that's asking too much in the least. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 02:45, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Nope my memory is absolutely fine thanks!, My bad we've interacted but it's never been a frequent thing..... It's not as if we interact on a daily basis .... Point is why would I remember something that doesn't remotely concern me ? ....., Anyway I fail to see what on earth my memory has got to do with any of this - Although I think it's you who may have memory issues as I have now explained twice that I will revert anyone (three times now!) and again I've already stated the thanking will stop,

No idea how many times I've said this but again start an RFC before you change any image and we'll all live happier lives,

Apologies Chris for this whole charade, I shant reply now. –Davey2010^Talk 03:18, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

@Winkelvi: I took a quick look over your interactions with Davey as well as some of your editing history. I can see why you'd want to avoid ANI, although I suggested a drama board because I don't seek to use my talk page to host third party battles. I acknowledge your feelings about Davey's editing but I don't think I could consider what I'm seeing as harassment. I agree here at Lucy Lawless that the image you inserted was too bright. Per BRD, you should have discussed it on the talk page, not reverted each other. With your editing restrictions, you should avoid reverting any Wikipedian. There's a right way for you to contribute and this isn't it. I'll ask Davey to give you more room; I'm sorry you feel this has been unfair. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:21, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

@Davey2010: (edit conflict) If you want Winkelvi to leave you alone, arguing with him here isn't accomplishing that. Winkelvi feels harassed and I think we both agree that our goal is not to make editors feel as if they were being bullied. Please let this drop. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:21, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi Chris, I never want anyone to feel like they're being bullied that certainly isn't who I am although from an outside perspective I can see it may look different, Will do, Thanks for your comments. –Davey2010^Talk 03:35, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Follow up events

Chris, remember this? The drama continues from Davey2010. It started today with when I did this [13] and just four minutes later, while I was creating an RfC at the article's talk page (see here), this happened. I left the following warning and message: [14]. Responses are here: [15], [16], [17], [18], [19]. He finally came to the RfC to comment, and after I had invited a few editors I know who like to comment at image RfCs, Davey decided to copy and paste my message on another editor's talk page here. I only found out about it because I was pinged due to Davey forgetting (or not forgetting) to remove my signature from the copy and paste. I put the following on his talk page: here. He now has to be hounding/stalking my edits because all three of the editor talk pages where I placed that message... he had never edited their pages before. Following someone's edits is pretty odd behavior for someone who said to me, "I genuinely want nothing more to do with you" (diff is here) just a week ago and when you pointed out that I was feeling bullied then, asking him to drop it, he responded, "I never want anyone to feel like they're being bullied that certainly isn't who I am although from an outside perspective I can see it may look different, Will do...". [20] I'm sorry, but I have no problem leaving the other editor alone. He doesn't seem to be able to do so. I'm not asking for any kind of sanction or interaction ban, but when I'm obviously being hounded/stalked, mocked, bullied, harassed, and told once more to "Fuck off" in an edit summary here when I've done nothing close to deserving such treatment, something stronger than offering an olive branch needs to be done. It would seem. I can continue to ignore him, but when he's purposefully trying to get my attention (for God knows what reason)... ugh. Any thoughts or suggestions? Once again, I appreciate your time and patience. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 22:21, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

• Apology: Chris troutman, I have to apologize to you. When I wrote the above, for whatever reason, I thought you are an administrator. That's the only reason I came to you with this issue. I feel pretty foolish now for bothering you with all this. I hope you saw my response to you at AN/I - I did not ping you for the reason you speculated. Again, my sincerest apologies for taking up your talk page space. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 03:51, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

@Winkelvi: I don't feel you owed me an apology but I accept, regardless. Please do me a favor and avoid Davey. Sometimes editors don't get along and I'd really prefer we pursue improving articles rather than let arguments get in the way. Rest assured, I want every Wikipedian to get a fair shake; WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA protect all of us. I am not now nor will I ever be an admin, but I will check out WP:IBAN if the two of you can't stop this cycle of nonsense. Chris Troutman (talk) 04:11, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Dude, I am avoiding him. He's been seeking me out, seeking my edits out, commenting at RfCs I've started or participated in, not the other way around. This is what I tried to explain to you last time, in this thread and the one previous. My participation in the report at AN/I came about only because I have the page on my watchlist. After reading it, and Davey's claims of "rarely" telling people to f-off, I couldn't let it go - that would be irresponsible. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 04:38, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

@Winkelvi: "I couldn't let it go..." I disagree. Wikipedia allows you to chime in if you like, but your involvement is going to confuse the issue into this ongoing disagreement between the two of you when it was Celia Homeford complaining about four-letter words. Your input is not useful as it's hard to assume good faith with your level of involvement. As Softlavender points out, I, myself, was the subject of an ANI lynch mob not long ago; she apparently feels that was a great solution. I can only assume you feel the same. I don't. Just because you see Davey being the recipient of a complaint does not obligate you to pitch in. You could choose to stay out of it. Let's remember that you have quite a block log, too. I would think avoiding drama would be the order of the day. I have been asking both sides for deescalation and I keep hearing replies that the other guy started it. Chris Troutman (talk) 05:08, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Muslim conquests of the Indian subcontinent

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Muslim conquests of the Indian subcontinent. Legobot (talk) 04:24, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Your comments

I realize it's a contentious topic, but your demands and actions at User:Felsic2/Gun use were inappropriate. In the future please try to be more civil. –dlthewave ☎ 16:32, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@Dlthewave: I was civil. Simply because you disagree or you felt uncomfortable does not mean that I was not civil. Accordingly, I don't take much stock in your opinion of what's "inappropriate". Next time, I'll just send the matter to MfD since you did not want to be engaged on the topic or defend your actions. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:24, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Nutshell on common outcomes

I saw the addition you suggested to WP:OUTCOMES and its unfortunate that it wasn't better received. Editors are mistaking that page for guidelines, very much to the detriment of AfD discussions. If someone really wanted an effective page about precedent, it would list previous discussions on a case-by-case basis, not summaries without any context or background. Since there's no sourcing, its not even clear to what extent the common outcomes actually are common - though given that they're self-reinforcing, they probably become common once they're added to the page. Bangabandhu (talk) 02:47, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

@Bangabandhu: Thanks for your message. Essays are generally opinion-based; they don't lay out facts and as you have intoned, if the facts actually pointed to something different that wouldn't help, at all. OUTCOMES is a political issue and the inclusionists will not be ceding ground any time in the near future. I didn't suggest the nutshell to push a deletionist narrative and I hope you can see that. I got ambushed by inclusionists while making good-faith deletion nominations. The nutshell was only meant to be an effective warning to editors strictly applying notability rules so no one else got bitten the way I was. You can always point to WP:OUTCOMESBASED if you see anyone cite OUTCOMES at AfD. Thanks again and good luck. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:11, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

I think that the essay can be misused by deletionists or inclusionists if cited. It really has no place in an AfD discussion - as your nutshell succinctly highlighted. Personally I think that the essay should go becuase its potential for misuse is too high. Since that's unlikely to happen, the nutshell is a great move in the right direction. Bangabandhu (talk) 21:10, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Jan Grabowski (historian)

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noahhoetger

can you please reply on my talkpage –noahhoetger ☎ 9:14 AM, 4/16/2018 (UTC)

Love that song

[21]. Long version:[22] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:31, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:Horst-Wessel-Lied

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Horst-Wessel-Lied. Legobot (talk) 04:24, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Cyber bullying

Please refrain from cyber bullying. It is not constructive. The MOS lays out very specific guidelines. The use of links and boldface in the lead is one very particular no-no (see MOS:BOLDAVOID). The Ukraine article like all others must follow this like any other. If you are not familiar with MOS, please read it before editing further. -- MC 141.131.2.3 (talk) 18:14, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Please see MOS:BOLDTITLE. "The Ukraine" is considered an alternative name for Ukraine by everyone except the Ukrainian nationalists who cannot abide English-language usage. If you disagree you can discuss it on the talk page. Also, be advised that my use of warning templates is not bullying just because you say so. Do not doubt my ability to hasten the blocking of editors via the careful use of such templates. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:21, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Mike Pompeo

OK I am sarry now I just looked at all the other Cabnit Leaders and Rex Tillerson's page is the only one who has it if you want to you can take it off the Rex Tillerson page. Or should I do it for you I don't know who put Rex Tillerson's and not on all the others but you know what I am talking about right. And just want to let you know I have ADHD. And can't spell that good.96.36.68.29 (talk) 16:47, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

No worries. I'm not the only editor looking at that page. As I've already done a lot of reverting there, I'm going to back off and let others figure out what they want to do with it. You can discuss the issue on the talk page, which is what I have been doing. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:49, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

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Publication handoff

Mass message sender on meta

Don't forget you will need mass message sender rights on meta. See Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Coordination#Manual_process for details. ☆ Bri (talk) 01:31, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

p.s. I'm about to start publication and there's an outside chance the step referred to above will fail, if my rights expired. It would probably make sense for you to complete it, rather than me re-applying for rights. If publication on meta fails for me ... would you do the honors? ☆ Bri (talk) 01:35, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Publication failed on meta, as I feared/expected. ☆ Bri (talk) 01:50, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Last minute editing

I haven't examined the publishing script yet, but am pretty sure I got a glitch you should know about. The first (zeroth) section apparently reverted to an earlier revision. It could be because I started the script, did some final edits on the section, then clicked the final "publish" button. It's likely that it was pinned to the revisions at the point the script was launched. Bottom line, it's probably necessary to cancel and restart the script if you make any changes to the issue. ☆ Bri (talk) 04:59, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

I'm going to stay on board as acting E-in-C for a while only, at least until we've got the next issue published. It was a very steep learning curve for me but it's a knowledge I can now use. Be aware that 'publisher' is a bit more than just pressing the buttons on the publishing script - there's a whole host of other templates and transcusions to check before you get that far. Stuff I wouldn't even know where to start with. I did most of the heavy copyediting this time. Quite a nighmare. There are authors who submit very clean copy, but there are others whose prose sometimes needs a rewrite. Thank heavens I majored in Creative Writing amongst other things. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:21, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

@Bri and Kudpung: It looks like the latest issue has not gone out globally. Do you need me to publish? I have the global mass message sender and can do this this weekend if not today. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:52, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes please do send globally (meta mass message). I mentioned it here. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:08, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

You and Bri may also wish to head over here and get a quick consensus for the watchlist notice in spite of the snark that was delivered last time. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:37, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

@Bri and Kudpung: I can confirm the latest issue went out globally. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:01, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Spot checked a few non-enwp users, and I see it too. Thanks for sending, Chris, and good luck with publication. I'll be around if you need any assistance, and it looks like Evad37 is here for help too. ☆ Bri (talk) 17:06, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Husan

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Brigham D. Madsen

Brigham D. Madsen passes wp:PROF #1 w rgd Native Americans of the Western U.S. studies and #8 w rgd numerous books having been reviewed. Also there are many reliable sources w rgd Madsen's awards and accomplishments, per wp:GNG.--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 21:22, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

@Hodgdon's secret garden: You are incorrect. I really wish you would have spent time developing the article instead of just moving into the main namespace, especially after I asked you about it. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:28, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

IMHO your knee-jerk nomination is emblematic of WP's problems, not a source of any solutions.

As to your accusations w rgd WikiRealpolitik. Please provide a timeline of my wp:BOLDly creating the page after you asked about it. I believe your research will show your contention to be mistaken. Thankyou.--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 21:55, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

@Hodgdon's secret garden: Perhaps I was unclear. I was watching you develop that article in sandbox and I waited patiently. When you moved it to mainspace, I stopped to ask you on your talk page why you thought the subject was notable, because I had already done a BEFORE search when you were still working on it. It would be my hope that, instead of writing articles about stuff you like, you would carefully consider WP:N, since you and I have had this interaction before. Further, since you habitually misunderstand WP:N, when I asked about it I would hope you'd consider that perhaps you were too quick to publish and we could have saved the trouble and moved the draft back into a sandbox. You defended your assertion which is why I have since sent it to AfD. Wikipedia is not a place for you to write your preferred narrative in defiance of community standards. Chris Troutman (talk) 22:02, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Look, this dude does have substantial pubs, unlike Park. Just because I believed/believe the original Park blp should have defaulted to keep, per my and another editors' arguments per wp:GNG, due to multiple not trivial discussion of his ideas in multiple sources...you're gonna follow me around Wikipedia arguing that awards from the UT state historcl soc., Westerners Int'l, Jn Whitmer historcl assoc. are schlock? pls get a life.--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 22:15, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

AN/COIN Discussion

In retrospect, WP:AN would have been the correct place, because we didn't have a paid editor but a warrior. Oh well. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:58, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Laurence “Scrappy” Blumer

Hello I received your message regarding the edits I did to my fathers profile on Wikipedia that we’re deleted by Canturberry tail. Thank You for your input. I am not versed on the rules and regulations of Wikipedia. As a Combat Veteran of the United States Army & Navy and being the Son of Laurence “Scrappy” Blumer I felt obligated to try and correct a few inaccuracies on his profile. Anyone wanting to improve his profile should read “ The Dynamite Gang” by Richard Groh. I also have several articles on my father as well as pictures I would be willing to donate to improve the accuracy of Wikipedia for the reader, thanks. Team Blumer (talk) 04:31, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

@Team Blumer: Thanks for reaching out. It's totally understandable why you're motivated to correct perceived errors. We get this sort of thing all the time. I once knew a woman who wanted me to fix an entry that listed her daughter's birthdate incorrectly. I told her that her personal experience giving birth wasn't something we could trust. We trust the LA Times, instead. Our interest is verifiability, not truth. As I have pointed out on your talk page, it is wholly inappropriate for you to edit an article about your dad. Instead, what you can do is list The Dynamite Gang as well as the articles you have on the article's talk page, so other editors know about them. Be sure to provide all the information on how editors can look-up these sources, including publication names, authors, publication dates, ISBNs, page numbers, etc. Wherever the data can be found, imagine Wikipedians like me going to the library to dig those sources up to use them. If you wanted to donate your pictures to public domain, you could upload them to Wikimedia Commons and then add links to those images on the talk page, too, so editors can find them and utilize them. If you're really itching to get changes made, visit the reward board where you can permissibly offer a reward to editors for their help. Thanks again for contacting me. Let me know if you have other questions. Chris Troutman (talk) 04:46, 1 May 2018 (UTC)