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==Notes==

The diffs indicate issues of [[WP:HOUND]] (''"Hounding on Wikipedia (or "wikihounding") is the singling out of one or more editors, joining discussions on multiple pages or topics they may edit or multiple debates where they contribute, to repeatedly confront or inhibit their work. This is with an apparent aim of creating irritation, annoyance, or distress to the other editor. '''Hounding usually involves following the target from place to place on Wikipedia''' ''." " '' '''The important component of hounding is disruption to another user's own enjoyment of editing, or disruption to the project generally''', for no overridingly constructive reason.")'' and issues of [[WP:TEND]] ''("Thus a single edit is unlikely to be a problem, but a pattern of edits displaying a bias is more likely to be an issue, and repeated biased edits to a single article or group of articles will be very unwelcome indeed." "Problems arise when editors see their own bias as neutral, and especially when they assume that any resistance to their edits is founded in bias towards an opposing point of view. The perception that “he who is not for me is against me” '''is contrary to Wikipedia’s [[assume good faith]] guideline'''" "There is nothing wrong with questioning the reliability of sources, to a point. But there is a limit to how far one may reasonably go in an effort to discredit the validity of what most other contributors consider to be reliable sources, especially when multiple sources are being questioned in this manner. This may take the form of arguing about the number of or validity of the information cited by the sources. The danger here is in judging the reliability of sources by how well they support the desired viewpoint.")'' Also [[WP:TEND]] includes '' "Ignoring or refusing to answer good faith questions from other editors" "Failure to cooperate with such simple requests '''may be interpreted as evidence of a bad faith effort''' to exasperate or waste the time of other editors." ''

Repeated issues of HOUND and TEND began after 08SEP, increased on 11SEP and unfortunately reappeared again on 30SEP. As WP quotations specify, [[WP:HOUND]] can disrupt the project with no overidingly constructive reason, and [[WP:TEND]] can be interpreted as bad faith effort.

Interestingly, of the six million plus pages in English Wikipedia, a group of four pages with diffs occur - on subjects directly related to Chinese human and religious rights abuses in Tibet - where HOUND and TEND by editor occur. And interestingly, a group of three of the four page are also specifically included in a US State Department 26APR2019 statement: ''"On April 25, we marked the birthday of the '''11th Panchen Lama, Gedhun Choekyi Nyima''', who has not appeared in public since he was reportedly abducted two decades ago by the Chinese government at age six. The United States remains concerned that Chinese authorities continue to take steps to eliminate the religious, linguistic, and cultural identity of Tibetans, including their ongoing destruction of communities of worship, such as the '''Larung Gar''' and '''Yachen Gar''' monasteries."'' [diff from CTA, haven't dug through US.gov site yet [https://tibet.net/us-state-department-calls-for-the-immediate-release-of-tibets-panchen-lama/]]

The group of pages where diffs indicate patterns of HOUND and TEND include:
* [[Sinicization of Tibet]]: Where attempts to use talk, assumption of good faith to build CON with editor, began on 08SEP[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sinicization_of_Tibet#POV_category], then continued on 09SEP[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sinicization_of_Tibet#Delete_text%2Fsections_or_massively_reedit_CCP-apologist_text%3F], and on 10SEP[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sinicization_of_Tibet#Photo_caption_changes]. These efforts were followed by repeated TEND after again editing text here[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/977842777]and here[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/977843558]and here[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/977845515]and here[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/977845862]and here[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/977847843] which were mischaracterized as "deft hackery" and revertedhere[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/977911932].
* [[11th Panchen Lama controversy]] is a page with edits from 15Jun[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/962599162]. The editor had never edited page before[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=11th_Panchen_Lama_controversy&dir=prev&action=history], but on 11SEP2020, editor reverted multiple edits from June, to an earlier version of page with numerous factual errors and POV issues here [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/977879525]. Another attempt on early 14SEP to use talk for CON is here[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:11th_Panchen_Lama_controversy#Bad_faith_revert%2C_guidelines_for_controversial_page_not_being_followed]. By late 14SEP, assumption of good faith is officially weakened due to ignored errors in content, which also support POV of page subject's abductors; as recommended in such cases, I reverted here[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/978442445]. TEND and HOUND are indicated again by editor's revert here[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/978443344]. Editor does not address [[WP:V]] and [[WP:RS]] issues, so this revert [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/978462062] follows. Editor doubles down, reverts again, and incorrectly cites BLP category ban for a Bio with non-living category page here[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/978462595]. Eight hours later, editor coordinates BLP note on page[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Valereee#Tangential_notice] which effectively protected content with multiple serious errors on a BLP page. On 29SEP, effort again made to assume good faith here[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/981042827].
* [[Yarchen Gar]] is another page never edited by editor before 06SEP. The first revert by editor is here[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/977049649] where a Facebook source is untouched, but a source Tibet Watch is deleted. Basic info is deleted in opening, including the words 'Tibetan', 'nuns', and 'with both Tibetan and Han Chinese students'. Deletions were reverted on 11SEP [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/977894889], but kept editing and was again reverted while all RS & sources were deemed "advocacy groups" in editors opinion. Editor adds detailed geography notes [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/977896827]. Here's an attempt to use talk[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yarchen_Gar#Stop_reverts_and_discuss_dispute] and a request to stop reverts on 17SEP[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/978887243], but editor did not respond to the good faith requests, which meet the definition of interpretation of bad faith effort in TEND. Editor responds instead with another revert[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/978810305].
* [[Larung Gar]] is another page not edited by editor before 06SEP[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Larung_Gar&offset=20131217200050%7C586538511&action=history]. The page is related to Yarchen Gar page in subject, and in RS on international concerns of persecution of nuns and monks; both pages were reedited by editor. Here's the 06SEP revert of Larung Gar by editor[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/977049471]which deletes NYT RS, replaces Tibetan people's name with Chinese versions, reedits text associated with BBC RS, and deletes source and text from Free Tibet while pushing opinion that source Radio Free Asia should be basically deprecated.
* [[WP:RSN]]: To settle matters while still hoping for good faith, topics were opened on 17SEP[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Views_on_Central_Tibetan_Administration]* and[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Views_on_International_Campaign_for_Tibet,_UNESCO,_Tibet_Post_International/The_Tibet_Post,_Tibet_Watch,_Unrepresented_Nations_and_Peoples_Organization,_Free_Tibet,_Radio_Free_Asia]* on RS & sources disputed by editor and editor's opinions. In these topics, editor again indicates HOUND and TEND in the 2nd thread, while later inappropriately calling for a double block in the 2nd topic. CON on 2nd topic states general policy on sources, but makes the point that reliability of each source has not been established separately.
* With these guidelines, fresh edits were undertaken again on 30SEP at [[Yarchen Gar]] here[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/981125935] with a reference to earlier bad faith effort which meet TEND definitions, and here[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/981126581] and here[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/981127720] and here via RS Buddhist Door[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/981132573]. Editor again reverts before examining RS and calls for a block in an edit summary[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/981135072] which signifies HOUND and TEND by editor are continuing. The lack of RS review by editor before revert was noted as was editor's history of blocks for feuding, here[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/981136217]. Editor again reverts here[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/981145513] while wrongly claiming "You have been told [[Tibet Post]] is not a WP:RS", but the RSN review did not specify that finding. Next, editor re-ads a [[South China Morning Post]] source provided by me[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/981146051], a re-adding that supports the interpretation of bad faith effort, since the earlier revert was therefore made without review and meets the definitions of HOUND and TEND. The re-adding also indicates editor's TEND issues are based on POV (the apparently non-independent Scmp POV fails to mention fully the notable topic of the demolitions, and includes a tone slightly disrespectful to the nuns). Editor's revert was undone, bad faith/feuding cited among other issues here[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/981162953]. An image of Yarchen Gar was added here[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/981163500].

To address other related topics, I would like to add that while the editor has said the reference to previous blocks is "intolerable"[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pasdecomplot#Ban_lifted] I took editor's more experienced lead to include mention of the feuding block
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3ACaradhrasAiguo], based on the editor's mention of the BLP parameter ban (see diffs) - if following the lead was a mistake, I apologise. I would also add that I hope the good faith efforts made at Sinicization of Tibet and 11th Panchen Lama and their diffs might clarify any misunderstanding in regards to a Tea House [[Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1076#Huge_problems_with_an_administrator,_help_needed_fast|thread]], where quotations from those talk pages and good faith efforts were used: ''"The first sentence states clearly that Sinicization of Tibet is a term used by critics of China; then, the rest of the page is largely written from the POV of China, imo in flowing CCP-apparatchik goobolee-gook phrases."'' '''and''' ''"Those statements don't address the serious issues. Goldstein's bias diff [1]; Rice, Kissinger, and Albright do not change the issues. Also in the first paragraph are non-standard references to the Chinese government, as in "Chinese leadership" and "leadership in China". Twice. Hum."'' After a requoting, a light-hearted but possibly poor attempt at joking (humbly offering AKGG as possible WP policy) was made. No personal attacks were intended towards editor, nor was disrespect towards policy at all intended - I apologise if I caused a misunderstanding. But, editor exhibited more HOUND instances by following into that request for help, and into another helpful discussion afterward.

I trust the copious amounts of diffs and this very lengthy response to be good enough to explain the interpretation of bad faith effort by the editor. I also trust that the good faith edits I've been providing as a recently joined editor to the project are as apparent, if not more so. Thank you most sincerely, and I look forward to continuing the editing.
___________________
*Archive diff for RSN topic CTA and RSN topic for International Campaign for Tibet, UNESCO, Tibet Post International/The Tibet Post, Tibet Watch, Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization, Free Tibet, Radio Free Asia is[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_313]



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Revision as of 19:32, 2 October 2020

Working Notes

Palri Monastery

  • Palri full name =

Chongye Palri Thegchog Ling, monastery, central Tibet; founded by _________ [1]

  • "Trengpo Tertön Sherab Özer (Wyl. 'phreng po gter ston shes rab 'od zer) (1518-1572/84), also known as Drodul Lingpa or Prajñāraśmi, was an important tertön in central Tibet who revealed the Droltik (dam chos grol ba'i thig le) or Gongpa Rangdrol cycle. The student of Drikung Rinchen Phuntsok (1509-1557) (the father of Chögyal Phuntsok), he was the founder of Palri Monastery. "His three immediate reincarnations were:

"Tsele Natsok Rangdrol (body incarnation) (b.1608), Minling Terchen Gyurme Dorje (speech incarnation) (1646-1714), and Pema Dechen Lingpa (mind incarnation) (1627/63-1713)." [2]

  • See also TBRC on Sherab Ozer, but mention of Palri?[3]
  • See also mentions in: [4]

Larung Gar & Yarchen Gar

https://tibet.net/us-state-department-calls-for-the-immediate-release-of-tibets-panchen-lama/ "The statement issued on April 26 by Heather Nauert, [US State] Department Spokesperson read: “On April 25, we marked the birthday of the 11th Panchen Lama, Gedhun Choekyi Nyima, who has not appeared in public since he was reportedly abducted two decades ago by the Chinese government at age six. The United States remains concerned that Chinese authorities continue to take steps to eliminate the religious, linguistic, and cultural identity of Tibetans, including their ongoing destruction of communities of worship, such as the Larung Gar and Yachen Gar monasteries. We call on China to release Gedhun Choekyi Nyima immediately and to uphold its international commitments to promote religious freedom for all persons.”

Panchen Lama

https://tibet.net/where-is-11th-panchen-lama-bbc-broadcasts-the-image-of-11th-panchen-lama-24-years-after-the-abduction-by-chinese-government/ "...the fact that he plays an essential role in the recognition and education of Dalai Lamas, and vice-versa apparently makes his disappearance politically crucial for the Chinese Government..."

"Today, there are two Panchen Lamas, one recognised by His Holiness the Dalai Lama and respected by all Tibetans and another six-year-old picked and installed by the Chinese government, known as Panchen “Zuma” Fake Panchen." "Given Chinese statement of Gendun Choekyi Nyima, the 11th Panchen Lama, leading a “normal life as an ordinary Child”, there are some pressing questions that the Chinese authority must address to the international community. Firstly, what makes China keep on declining the request of the international community, including UN human rights mandate holders, to see Gendun Choekyi Nyima?" "Secondly, If Gendun Choekyi Nyima is leading a normal life as China claims, why has he been not seen in a public place?"

"After nearly 25 years, the deep concern for the well-being and whereabouts of Tibet’s Panchen Lama continues and with the availability of one picture of His Holiness the Panchen Lama, ITN’s new project on the Forensic Image of Panchen Lama has sparked interest and excitement amongst many Tibetans and supporters. Moreover, BBC’s interest in the case of the missing Panchen Lama and the new forensic image has made a short film called ‘Where is Panchen Lama?’ for ‘ The One Show’, a primetime UK programme."

Notes

The diffs indicate issues of WP:HOUND ("Hounding on Wikipedia (or "wikihounding") is the singling out of one or more editors, joining discussions on multiple pages or topics they may edit or multiple debates where they contribute, to repeatedly confront or inhibit their work. This is with an apparent aim of creating irritation, annoyance, or distress to the other editor. Hounding usually involves following the target from place to place on Wikipedia ." " The important component of hounding is disruption to another user's own enjoyment of editing, or disruption to the project generally, for no overridingly constructive reason.") and issues of WP:TEND ("Thus a single edit is unlikely to be a problem, but a pattern of edits displaying a bias is more likely to be an issue, and repeated biased edits to a single article or group of articles will be very unwelcome indeed." "Problems arise when editors see their own bias as neutral, and especially when they assume that any resistance to their edits is founded in bias towards an opposing point of view. The perception that “he who is not for me is against me” is contrary to Wikipedia’s assume good faith guideline" "There is nothing wrong with questioning the reliability of sources, to a point. But there is a limit to how far one may reasonably go in an effort to discredit the validity of what most other contributors consider to be reliable sources, especially when multiple sources are being questioned in this manner. This may take the form of arguing about the number of or validity of the information cited by the sources. The danger here is in judging the reliability of sources by how well they support the desired viewpoint.") Also WP:TEND includes "Ignoring or refusing to answer good faith questions from other editors" "Failure to cooperate with such simple requests may be interpreted as evidence of a bad faith effort to exasperate or waste the time of other editors."

Repeated issues of HOUND and TEND began after 08SEP, increased on 11SEP and unfortunately reappeared again on 30SEP. As WP quotations specify, WP:HOUND can disrupt the project with no overidingly constructive reason, and WP:TEND can be interpreted as bad faith effort.

Interestingly, of the six million plus pages in English Wikipedia, a group of four pages with diffs occur - on subjects directly related to Chinese human and religious rights abuses in Tibet - where HOUND and TEND by editor occur. And interestingly, a group of three of the four page are also specifically included in a US State Department 26APR2019 statement: "On April 25, we marked the birthday of the 11th Panchen Lama, Gedhun Choekyi Nyima, who has not appeared in public since he was reportedly abducted two decades ago by the Chinese government at age six. The United States remains concerned that Chinese authorities continue to take steps to eliminate the religious, linguistic, and cultural identity of Tibetans, including their ongoing destruction of communities of worship, such as the Larung Gar and Yachen Gar monasteries." [diff from CTA, haven't dug through US.gov site yet [1]]

The group of pages where diffs indicate patterns of HOUND and TEND include:

  • Sinicization of Tibet: Where attempts to use talk, assumption of good faith to build CON with editor, began on 08SEP[2], then continued on 09SEP[3], and on 10SEP[4]. These efforts were followed by repeated TEND after again editing text here[5]and here[6]and here[7]and here[8]and here[9] which were mischaracterized as "deft hackery" and revertedhere[10].
  • 11th Panchen Lama controversy is a page with edits from 15Jun[11]. The editor had never edited page before[12], but on 11SEP2020, editor reverted multiple edits from June, to an earlier version of page with numerous factual errors and POV issues here [13]. Another attempt on early 14SEP to use talk for CON is here[14]. By late 14SEP, assumption of good faith is officially weakened due to ignored errors in content, which also support POV of page subject's abductors; as recommended in such cases, I reverted here[15]. TEND and HOUND are indicated again by editor's revert here[16]. Editor does not address WP:V and WP:RS issues, so this revert [17] follows. Editor doubles down, reverts again, and incorrectly cites BLP category ban for a Bio with non-living category page here[18]. Eight hours later, editor coordinates BLP note on page[19] which effectively protected content with multiple serious errors on a BLP page. On 29SEP, effort again made to assume good faith here[20].
  • Yarchen Gar is another page never edited by editor before 06SEP. The first revert by editor is here[21] where a Facebook source is untouched, but a source Tibet Watch is deleted. Basic info is deleted in opening, including the words 'Tibetan', 'nuns', and 'with both Tibetan and Han Chinese students'. Deletions were reverted on 11SEP [22], but kept editing and was again reverted while all RS & sources were deemed "advocacy groups" in editors opinion. Editor adds detailed geography notes [23]. Here's an attempt to use talk[24] and a request to stop reverts on 17SEP[25], but editor did not respond to the good faith requests, which meet the definition of interpretation of bad faith effort in TEND. Editor responds instead with another revert[26].
  • Larung Gar is another page not edited by editor before 06SEP[27]. The page is related to Yarchen Gar page in subject, and in RS on international concerns of persecution of nuns and monks; both pages were reedited by editor. Here's the 06SEP revert of Larung Gar by editor[28]which deletes NYT RS, replaces Tibetan people's name with Chinese versions, reedits text associated with BBC RS, and deletes source and text from Free Tibet while pushing opinion that source Radio Free Asia should be basically deprecated.
  • WP:RSN: To settle matters while still hoping for good faith, topics were opened on 17SEP[29]* and[30]* on RS & sources disputed by editor and editor's opinions. In these topics, editor again indicates HOUND and TEND in the 2nd thread, while later inappropriately calling for a double block in the 2nd topic. CON on 2nd topic states general policy on sources, but makes the point that reliability of each source has not been established separately.
  • With these guidelines, fresh edits were undertaken again on 30SEP at Yarchen Gar here[31] with a reference to earlier bad faith effort which meet TEND definitions, and here[32] and here[33] and here via RS Buddhist Door[34]. Editor again reverts before examining RS and calls for a block in an edit summary[35] which signifies HOUND and TEND by editor are continuing. The lack of RS review by editor before revert was noted as was editor's history of blocks for feuding, here[36]. Editor again reverts here[37] while wrongly claiming "You have been told Tibet Post is not a WP:RS", but the RSN review did not specify that finding. Next, editor re-ads a South China Morning Post source provided by me[38], a re-adding that supports the interpretation of bad faith effort, since the earlier revert was therefore made without review and meets the definitions of HOUND and TEND. The re-adding also indicates editor's TEND issues are based on POV (the apparently non-independent Scmp POV fails to mention fully the notable topic of the demolitions, and includes a tone slightly disrespectful to the nuns). Editor's revert was undone, bad faith/feuding cited among other issues here[39]. An image of Yarchen Gar was added here[40].

To address other related topics, I would like to add that while the editor has said the reference to previous blocks is "intolerable"[41] I took editor's more experienced lead to include mention of the feuding block [42], based on the editor's mention of the BLP parameter ban (see diffs) - if following the lead was a mistake, I apologise. I would also add that I hope the good faith efforts made at Sinicization of Tibet and 11th Panchen Lama and their diffs might clarify any misunderstanding in regards to a Tea House thread, where quotations from those talk pages and good faith efforts were used: "The first sentence states clearly that Sinicization of Tibet is a term used by critics of China; then, the rest of the page is largely written from the POV of China, imo in flowing CCP-apparatchik goobolee-gook phrases." and "Those statements don't address the serious issues. Goldstein's bias diff [1]; Rice, Kissinger, and Albright do not change the issues. Also in the first paragraph are non-standard references to the Chinese government, as in "Chinese leadership" and "leadership in China". Twice. Hum." After a requoting, a light-hearted but possibly poor attempt at joking (humbly offering AKGG as possible WP policy) was made. No personal attacks were intended towards editor, nor was disrespect towards policy at all intended - I apologise if I caused a misunderstanding. But, editor exhibited more HOUND instances by following into that request for help, and into another helpful discussion afterward.

I trust the copious amounts of diffs and this very lengthy response to be good enough to explain the interpretation of bad faith effort by the editor. I also trust that the good faith edits I've been providing as a recently joined editor to the project are as apparent, if not more so. Thank you most sincerely, and I look forward to continuing the editing. ___________________

  • Archive diff for RSN topic CTA and RSN topic for International Campaign for Tibet, UNESCO, Tibet Post International/The Tibet Post, Tibet Watch, Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization, Free Tibet, Radio Free Asia is[43]

Tibetan uprising

  • Dalai Lama statements from News Archive: March 2008
  • An Appeal to the Chinese People, March 27, 2008
  • Clarification, March 18, 2008
  • Press Release, March 18, 2008
  • His Holiness the Dalai Lama Meets Members of the Media, March 16, 2008
  • Press Release, March 14, 2008
  • Statement of H.H. the Dalai Lama on the 49th Tibetan National Uprising Day, March 10, 2008

https://www.dalailama.com/news/archive/2008/3

  • Tibetan Review
- Tsering Woeser [page only lists last name 'Woeser'?] compiled best docs (BBC (find RS again) agrees?); is academic source?
- 150 self immolate after 2008/9?
- 10 March details add; more RS

https://www.tibetanreview.net/the-2008-uprising-and-the-olympics/

  • Olympic in Greece

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/mar/24/tibet.olympicgames2008

  • Images, cities & dates

https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2008/mar/14/1

  • Lots of refs

https://freedomhouse.org/report/2017/battle-china-spirit-tibetan-buddhism-religious-freedom

"The Dalai Lama released a statement on Friday [14?] calling on both sides to avoid violence and appealing to China’s leaders to “address the long simmering resentment of the Tibetan people through dialogue with the Tibetan people.” A spokesman for the Dalai Lama called China’s accusations “absolutely baseless.” "

"In the past China has not hesitated to crush major protests in Tibet or to jail disobedient monks. President Hu Jintao, who is also the general secretary of the Communist Party, served as party boss in Tibet during a violent crackdown in 1989. His support for the bloody suppression of unrest that year earned him the good will of Deng Xiaoping, then the paramount leader, and led directly to his elevation to the Politburo Standing Committee and eventually to China’s top leadership posts."

Occupation timeline guide

  • 1949/1950: Chinese [military] invasion; Battle of Chamdo
  • 23 May 1951: China's 17 point agreement signed under duress
  • [1954-1955: The Dalai Lama visits China]
  • [1955: after his return, Kham & Amdo klans announce rebellion against Chinese for destroying monasteries and for land reforms]
  • [1956-'58, beyond: Gompo Tashi leads rebellion; CIA begins aid in '58, arms drops until 1965; by 1968 aid announced to end; Nixon travels to China]
  • 10 Mar 1959: tens of thousands [check for #] take to streets
  • 12 Mar: 15,000 Tibetan women uprising
  • 30 Mar 1959: Dala Lama escape party crosses border
  • 1959-'65: UN passes 3 resolutions of grave concern re suppression of fundamental hr
  • 1960-'62: Tibetan famine under Mao's "Great Leap Forward", hundreds of thousands die [find #]
  • 1966-76: 6,000 monasteries & sites destroyed during "Cultural Revolution"
  • [Early 1970's: Middle Way developed- find info]

[44]

  • [1982: delegation sent to China; China refuses discussion on Middle Way; total of 6 delegations sent to China in 1980's]
  • 21 Sep 1987: 5 point peace plan by Dalai Lama rejected by China
  • Sep-Oct 1987: large scale protests against China by Tibetans in response
  • [1988: Strasbourg Proposal
  • Mar 1988: Protests in Lhasa, 30 Tibetans killed [find refs]
  • Sep 1988: 9 Drepung monastery monks protest in Barkhor
  • 10 Dec 1988: Chinese police open fire on protestors in Lhasa, international incident
  • 1989: 10's of 1000's protest in Lhasa; brutal force and martial law; foreigners expelled. Dalai Lama awarded Nobel Peace Prize
  • [1994: CTA stops sending delegations to China]
  • 1995: 11th Panchen Lama kidnapped, becomes China's political prisoner at 6 years of age.
  • 1996: "patriotic reeducation" campaign launched
  • 2001: China wins Olympics
  • [2002: Dalai Lama "Middle Way" proposal continues, one delegation per year until 2008]
  • Oct 2007: US Congressional Gold Medal awarded to Dalai Lama, China responds with show of force
  • Mar-Jun 2008: Tibetan Uprising: 100's killed, +2000 arrested
  • Aug '08: Olympics
  • [2008: 3 Tibet-China meetings, China rejects Middle Way officially?; find info]
  • 2009-2018: "In February 2009 a young monk named Tapey set fire to himself in Ngaba, eastern Tibet."; self immolations spread, 150 deaths

https://tibetuprising.org

Tibet | Xinjiang

  • Kelsang Dolma, Tibet Was China’s First Laboratory of Repression, Xi Jinping is bringing methods honed in Xinjiang back to the Himalayas, (31 August 2020)

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/08/31/tibet-china-repression-xinjiang-sinicization/

"In the early 2000s, the Free Tibet movement galvanized the world. From celebrity endorsements to Simpsons cameos, the media launched the plight of Tibet into the Western imagination; the suffering of Tibetans under a foreign regime became well known. But today, with atrocities in Xinjiang and Hong Kong dominating the narrative and Tibet now more sealed off than ever, news about the Himalayan region has been reduced to stray sentences in coverage on Chinese aggression."
"Yet oppression in Tibet has only gotten worse. On Aug. 29, Chinese President Xi Jinping announced plans to “strengthen unity and socialism” in Tibet by building an “impregnable fortress” to ward off splittism. The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) views Tibetan disobedience, violent or nonviolent, as separatism, which, in Beijing’s eyes, threatens national security and expansionism. So when the 2008 Tibet protests erupted, fomented by discontent with decades-long repression, the CCP ruthlessly responded by killing and arbitrarily arresting protesters. But these immediate measures were not enough. The CCP began to plan a long-term policy of forced assimilation."
"Chen Quanguo, then a rising star in the CCP, arrived in Tibet as the new party secretary in 2011 and rapidly transformed Tibet into one of the most pervasive police states in the world, a model that would soon be adopted in Xinjiang against the Muslim Uighurs. Chen implemented an urban design—a panopticon-like system that is euphemistically referred to as “grid-style social management”—that enables CCP police officers to easily surveil Tibetans. Also in the name of counterterrorism, Chen oversaw the formation of “double-linked households,” an Orwellian social system in which family members are encouraged to report one another to the authorities at any hint of transgression. In 2016, Chen became Xinjiang’s Communist Party secretary and nationalized these policies, bringing the techniques practiced on Tibetans to Xinjiang."
"...Nepal and China signed a contentious extradition treaty in January. Xi arrived in Nepal to negotiate diplomatic proposals between the two countries. One proposal was a treaty that would extradite newly arrived Tibetan refugees from Nepal. After initial reports that Nepali officials would not authorize the treaty, Xi met secretly with Nepal’s foreign minister, Pradeep Gyawali, to sign it. This agreement condemns captured Tibetan refugees in Nepal to the rarely merciful penal system of mainland China.
"Meanwhile, the techniques honed in Xinjiang may be returning to their birthplace in Tibet. The CCP passed a bill titled “Regulations on the Establishment of a Model Area for Ethnic Unity and Progress in the Tibet Autonomous Region” this spring, which aims to Sinicize Tibetans. While the bill’s title seems innocuous, similar ethnic unity regulations in Xinjiang preceded the detention camps for Uighurs and other ethnic minorities. The CCP strives to promote an “All ethnic groups in China are one family” narrative, since CCP totalitarianism necessitates conformity and obedience—anything to the contrary is considered a threat to CCP legitimacy. It has become clear what this means in Xinjiang. Ethnic unity means incarcerating millions of Uighurs in political reeducation camps, where detainees are forced to renounce Islam and profess devotion to communism. Ethnic unity means that children can be forcefully separated from their parents at a CCP official’s whim. Ethnic unity means that the Uighur identity must be beaten out of the individual."
"Meanwhile, the techniques honed in Xinjiang may be returning to their birthplace in Tibet."
"Although attention has been understandably focused on Xinjiang’s vast network of prison camps, the increasing oppression of Tibetan human rights should cause equal alarm. The new ethnic unity bill in Tibet is likely to presage a new round of cruel ethnonationalist policies under the guise of reeducation in Tibet. This June, the CCP ordered the destruction of Tibetan Buddhist prayer flags, justifying it as “behavioral reform,” and Tibetan Buddhist monasteries are steadily restricted by CCP-appointed officials. The CCP is fixated on “fostering ethnic unity” by dismantling Tibetans’ and Uighurs’ faith; after all, according to Karl Marx, religion is the opium of the masses. Though state-ordered family separation is not as common in Tibet, enforced political reeducation has been integral to Tibetan prisons. Other than the erasure of religion, increased language Sinicization will almost surely occur given that the CCP considers the Tibetan language as a vessel for separatism. The ethnic unity dilemma may not be reserved for Tibetans and Uighurs either. Recently, the CCP widened its language Sinicization; teachers in Inner Mongolia will be forced to replace Mongolian-medium education with Chinese-medium education beginning in September."
"The upcoming months may see an international resurgence of Tibet coverage. In a rare move, five independent mandate holders at the United Nations, including two working groups and three special rapporteurs, recently demanded that the CCP provide more information regarding the whereabouts of Gedhun Choekyi Nyima—Tibet’s 11th Panchen Lama. The Panchen Lama, second only to the Dalai Lama’s lama rank in Tibetan Buddhism, was kidnapped by the CCP in 1995 as a 6-year-old and was replaced by a Chinese-chosen figure."
"Understanding the future fate of Uighurs and Hong Kongers can be strengthened by studying the historical and ongoing repression of Tibetans. The Associated Press first reported in June on the Chinese government’s accelerated forced sterilization of Uighurs—a genocidal policy that was diabolically imposed on Tibetans decades ago. Now, more than ever, journalists and foreign-policy makers must focus on Tibet to contextualize current events across the Asia-Pacific and to bear witness to the splintering human rights of Tibetans; the lack of human rights has become so unbearable that 156 Tibetans have self-immolated since 2009. Based on the history of repression of Tibetans and Uighurs, which seems to work in tandem, the new ethnic unity bill in Tibet is a menacing harbinger for what may come next."
Image of monks with placards around necks and under arrest is Wiki commons
"Internment camps like those built in East Turkestan for the Uyghur population are now spreading into Tibet. New satellites images show the recent construction of several prison-like camps in Chinese occupied Tibet. The name used by the Chinese Communist Party to describe those prisons is even more ridiculous than the “Reeducation Camps” used to describe the ones in East Turkestan, as the CCP calls them “Buddhist Temples”."
"Recently, The Print used satellite images to prove that at least three “re-education camps” are currently under construction in Tibet. The author of the survey, Vinayak [Dhat], is a colonel retired from the Indian military intelligence unit and is a well-known satellite image research expert. He has repeatedly revealed Chinese military deployment dynamics through satellite photos. This time, he revealed construction done by Chinese authorities in Tibet. The so-called “temple” of Tibetan Buddhism is actually a concentration camp that is surrounded by high walls and guard towers and has the same structural design as a prison. Observers warned that China may soon start mass detention of Tibetans following the model of concentration camps for Uyghur Muslims in Xinjiang."
"Historical data has shown that, from 1949 when the CCP began to invade Tibet to the end of the Cultural Revolution in 1979, the CCP’s rule caused a total of 1.2 million deaths in Tibet [find #'s] (including the surrounding provinces), accounting for nearly 20 percent of the entire Tibetan population of 6 million. The destruction of more than 6,000 monasteries caused irreparable damage to Tibetan culture."
  • Col. Vinayak Dhat, Ret., China claims it has no ‘Gulags’, but satellite imagery shows 3 new ones coming up in Tibet, (12 February 2019), ThePrint, [ link from UNPO ]

https://theprint.in/defence/china-claims-it-has-no-gulags-but-satellite-imagery-shows-3-new-ones-coming-up-in-tibet/190940/#

"ThePrint has identified at least three re-education centres - or 'Gulags', as the Soviet-era equivalents were called - under construction in Tibet."
"ThePrint had last August reported the existence of such major camps in the western province of Xinjiang. These camps were also indicated in the United Nations and the US Congressional-Executive Commission on China."
"Image credit[s]: Col. Vinayak Bhat (retd.)"
"These monasteries, it is suspected, are used as correction facilities or Gulags for Tibetan monks who are unwilling to follow the diktats of the Chinese Communist Party."
"Recently-updated satellite imagery has also revealed that massive structures are being created by Chinese authorities in the Tibet Autonomous Region. They are what are referred to as ‘extremist eradication’ schools or ‘re-education’ schools."
"These are allegedly used as detention centres for political indoctrination. The detainees are also allegedly used as forced labour in government factories and projects during the day time or as per shift timings. At least three such facilities can be identified through satellite imagery, though none of them is fully constructed yet."
"All three ‘Gulags’ have high wall fencings, with the inner wall fencing taller than the outer wall. The inner walls have round guard posts at the corners."
"The indoctrination centres are located outside the main high inner walls and have administrative and other support buildings co-located."


Xinjiang

"Last Monday, the Washington-based International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) published the China Cables, consisting of seven classified documents detailing the inner workings of Beijing’s program of detention, mass-surveillance and “re-education” of its Muslim Uyghur minority."
"Mass surveillance": "The China Cables also contain four “bulletins,” providing details and reasons for the daily use of the “Integrated Joint Operation Platform,” a mass-surveillance and predictive-policing program which analyzes data from Xinjiang and was revealed to the world by Human Rights Watch last year."
"The ICIJ says the leak represents a first-ever glimpse “revealing the inner workings of the camps,” and give support to an earlier leak of over 400 pages published on November 16, reproduced by the New York Times in their Xinjiang Documents leaks."
"The combined documents paint a sinister picture of Beijing’s well-advanced plans to “integrate” its complete Uyghur population of some 12 million through what critics say is detention, intimidation, brainwashing and physical and mental torture."
"All of this data is being entered into centralized, searchable government databases. While Xinjiang’s systems are particularly intrusive, their basic designs are similar to those the police are planning and implementing throughout China."
"The classified intelligence briefings reveal the scope and ambition of the government’s artificial-intelligence-powered policing platform, which purports to predict crimes based on these computer-generated findings alone. Experts say the platform, which is used in both policing and military contexts, demonstrates the power of technology to help drive industrial-scale human rights abuses. "
"The China Cables reveal how the system is able to amass vast amounts of intimate personal data through warrantless manual searches, facial recognition cameras, and other means to identify candidates for detention, flagging for investigation hundreds of thousands merely for using certain popular mobile phone apps. The documents detail explicit directives to arrest Uighurs with foreign citizenship and to track Xinjiang Uighurs living abroad, some of whom have been deported back to China by authoritarian governments. Among those implicated as taking part in the global dragnet: China’s embassies and consulates."

China censoring

RS on Chinese state censoring of information

Here's good RS on Chinese monitoring, censoring, and crackdowns on online speech under Xi Jinping: the social media crackdown in 2013 [45], and on the 39 Chinese companies agreeing to aid in censoring efforts in 2011 [46], and (live link?) [47], and on the 2 million "public opinion analysts" hired to help in 2013 [48], and on Xi's intensified crackdowns in 2016 against "dissenting versions" of China's history [49].

Here's more good RS on China's censoring of BBC affiliates and their blocking of access to English Wikipedia as well as Chinese Wikipedia before Xi in 2008, [50] which includes mention of blocking access to sites that report on Tibet, But other domains are still blocked, The BBC says, including sites for the Hong Kong newspaper Apple Daily, human rights groups like Amnesty International, and organizations promoting Tibetan independence..

Another on China's blocking Wikipedia, from 2006, [51] and a quotation, The Communist Party polices these emerging Internet communities with censors and undercover agents, and manages a Web site that it said received nearly a quarter-million anonymous tips about "harmful information" online last year. But the methods the party uses to control speech and behavior in the real world have proved less effective in cyberspace, where people get away with more, and where the government is often a step behind. When authorities catch up, citizens often have already weakened the party's grip on public life and succeeded in expanding civil society. They have organized charity drives for rural schoolchildren and mobilized students for anti-Japanese protest marches. And they learned to work together to write an encyclopedia. The point? China has a history of blocking access to English Wikipedia, and is censoring reports on history which involves China.

China also has a history of blocking access to BBC China. Here's a good RS on the 2008 Tibetan uprising in Lhasa and clashes with Chinese security forces, which is offered as an illustration of the unreliability of Chinese state media, as versus the reliability of BBC UK in reporting on the events, including the mention of difficulties in verifying reports due to Chinese controls:[52] with quotations, 'Eighty killed' in Tibetan unrest... Chinese troops were out in force in Lhasa on Sunday...At least 80 people have been killed in unrest following protests by Tibetans against Chinese rule, the Tibetan government in exile says. Indian-based officials said the figure was confirmed by several sources, even though China put the death toll at 10. The Dalai Lama called for an international inquiry into China's crackdown, accusing it of a "rule of terror" and "cultural genocide". Chinese troops were out in force in Lhasa, Tibet's main city, on Sunday. Hong Kong Cable TV reported that about 200 military vehicles, each carrying 40 to 60 armed soldiers, had driven into the city. Loudspeakers broadcast messages, such as: "Discern between enemies and friends, maintain order." China tightly restricts Western journalists' access to Tibet and it is sometimes extremely difficult to verify what is going on. The Chinese official news agency Xinhua says 10 people died on Friday, including business people it said were "burnt to death". But the Tibetan government in exile later said at least 80 corpses had been counted, including those of 26 people killed on Saturday next to the Dratchi prison in Lhasa. Other bodies were spotted near the Ramoche Buddhist temple, and near a Muslim mosque and a cathedral in Lhasa, said Tenzin Taklha, a senior aide to the Dalai Lama. "These reports come from relatives, from our people inside and from contacts of our department of security. They have all been confirmed multiple times," he said. In an interview with the BBC, the Dalai Lama, the Tibetan spiritual leader, said he feared there would be more deaths unless Beijing changed its policies towards Tibet, which it has ruled since invading in 1950. "It has become really very, very tense. Now today and yesterday, the Tibetan side is determined. The Chinese side also equally determined. So that means, the result: killing, more suffering," he said. "Ultimately, the Chinese government is clinging of policy, not looking at the reality. They simply feel they have gun - so they can control. Obviously they can control. But they cannot control human mind," he warned.

Based on this report and the other RS, the Chinese state controlled efforts to censor media also extends outside the internet and into the communities of Tibet, into which foreigners are denied access.

In the last few days, four different pages related to Tibet in the English Wikipedia project have been reverted by an editor, responsible for deleting RS and associated text. The RS included reports from BBC, The Statesman (India), International Campaign for Tibet, Free Tibet, governmental entities Central Tibetan Administration and UNESCO, International Tibet Post, The Tibet Post, and from UNPO. On a page entitled the 11th Panchen Lama controversy, the remaining RS detailing the 1995 abduction and forced disappearance by China of the recognized Panchen Lama were from a Chinese source (without translation) and from a criticised academic source, among another also without verifiability, found likewise on other pages. Image files were also deleted. One of the images was reinserted.

In 2020, RS indicate the abduction and forced disappearance of the Panchen Lama continue to be condemned by the international community - recently, by 159 international organizations acting together with the UN - but the deleted RS and text also removed this information.

The given reason? The editor opined all the RS were from "advocacy groups", without providing RS to support the opinion. No additional reason was given for deleting the image files.

In 2008 China blocked sites that report on Tibet, and then intensified efforts in 2016 to crackdown on "dissenting" versions of history. Sources that support the Chinese government's censored version of events also effectively advocate for censored versions of history.

In this editor's opinion (allowed on talk), the reverts and deletions on the pages follow a exceedingly similar patterns used by China's state controlled media outlets, which can be defined as advocacy groups, and by its corps of "public opinion analysts" to block access to information or to the reporting of historical events which China deems "dissenting".


Other

WP:Library https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/OA


Notes

The diffs indicate issues of WP:HOUND ("Hounding on Wikipedia (or "wikihounding") is the singling out of one or more editors, joining discussions on multiple pages or topics they may edit or multiple debates where they contribute, to repeatedly confront or inhibit their work. This is with an apparent aim of creating irritation, annoyance, or distress to the other editor. Hounding usually involves following the target from place to place on Wikipedia ." " The important component of hounding is disruption to another user's own enjoyment of editing, or disruption to the project generally, for no overridingly constructive reason.") and issues of WP:TEND ("Thus a single edit is unlikely to be a problem, but a pattern of edits displaying a bias is more likely to be an issue, and repeated biased edits to a single article or group of articles will be very unwelcome indeed." "Problems arise when editors see their own bias as neutral, and especially when they assume that any resistance to their edits is founded in bias towards an opposing point of view. The perception that “he who is not for me is against me” is contrary to Wikipedia’s assume good faith guideline" "There is nothing wrong with questioning the reliability of sources, to a point. But there is a limit to how far one may reasonably go in an effort to discredit the validity of what most other contributors consider to be reliable sources, especially when multiple sources are being questioned in this manner. This may take the form of arguing about the number of or validity of the information cited by the sources. The danger here is in judging the reliability of sources by how well they support the desired viewpoint.") Also WP:TEND includes "Ignoring or refusing to answer good faith questions from other editors" "Failure to cooperate with such simple requests may be interpreted as evidence of a bad faith effort to exasperate or waste the time of other editors."

Repeated issues of HOUND and TEND began after 08SEP, increased on 11SEP and unfortunately reappeared again on 30SEP. As WP quotations specify, WP:HOUND can disrupt the project with no overidingly constructive reason, and WP:TEND can be interpreted as bad faith effort.

Interestingly, of the six million plus pages in English Wikipedia, a group of four pages with diffs occur - on subjects directly related to Chinese human and religious rights abuses in Tibet - where HOUND and TEND by editor occur. And interestingly, a group of three of the four page are also specifically included in a US State Department 26APR2019 statement: "On April 25, we marked the birthday of the 11th Panchen Lama, Gedhun Choekyi Nyima, who has not appeared in public since he was reportedly abducted two decades ago by the Chinese government at age six. The United States remains concerned that Chinese authorities continue to take steps to eliminate the religious, linguistic, and cultural identity of Tibetans, including their ongoing destruction of communities of worship, such as the Larung Gar and Yachen Gar monasteries." [diff from CTA, haven't dug through US.gov site yet [53]]

The group of pages where diffs indicate patterns of HOUND and TEND include:

  • Sinicization of Tibet: Where attempts to use talk, assumption of good faith to build CON with editor, began on 08SEP[54], then continued on 09SEP[55], and on 10SEP[56]. These efforts were followed by repeated TEND after again editing text here[57]and here[58]and here[59]and here[60]and here[61] which were mischaracterized as "deft hackery" and revertedhere[62].
  • 11th Panchen Lama controversy is a page with edits from 15Jun[63]. The editor had never edited page before[64], but on 11SEP2020, editor reverted multiple edits from June, to an earlier version of page with numerous factual errors and POV issues here [65]. Another attempt on early 14SEP to use talk for CON is here[66]. By late 14SEP, assumption of good faith is officially weakened due to ignored errors in content, which also support POV of page subject's abductors; as recommended in such cases, I reverted here[67]. TEND and HOUND are indicated again by editor's revert here[68]. Editor does not address WP:V and WP:RS issues, so this revert [69] follows. Editor doubles down, reverts again, and incorrectly cites BLP category ban for a Bio with non-living category page here[70]. Eight hours later, editor coordinates BLP note on page[71] which effectively protected content with multiple serious errors on a BLP page. On 29SEP, effort again made to assume good faith here[72].
  • Yarchen Gar is another page never edited by editor before 06SEP. The first revert by editor is here[73] where a Facebook source is untouched, but a source Tibet Watch is deleted. Basic info is deleted in opening, including the words 'Tibetan', 'nuns', and 'with both Tibetan and Han Chinese students'. Deletions were reverted on 11SEP [74], but kept editing and was again reverted while all RS & sources were deemed "advocacy groups" in editors opinion. Editor adds detailed geography notes [75]. Here's an attempt to use talk[76] and a request to stop reverts on 17SEP[77], but editor did not respond to the good faith requests, which meet the definition of interpretation of bad faith effort in TEND. Editor responds instead with another revert[78].
  • Larung Gar is another page not edited by editor before 06SEP[79]. The page is related to Yarchen Gar page in subject, and in RS on international concerns of persecution of nuns and monks; both pages were reedited by editor. Here's the 06SEP revert of Larung Gar by editor[80]which deletes NYT RS, replaces Tibetan people's name with Chinese versions, reedits text associated with BBC RS, and deletes source and text from Free Tibet while pushing opinion that source Radio Free Asia should be basically deprecated.
  • WP:RSN: To settle matters while still hoping for good faith, topics were opened on 17SEP[81]* and[82]* on RS & sources disputed by editor and editor's opinions. In these topics, editor again indicates HOUND and TEND in the 2nd thread, while later inappropriately calling for a double block in the 2nd topic. CON on 2nd topic states general policy on sources, but makes the point that reliability of each source has not been established separately.
  • With these guidelines, fresh edits were undertaken again on 30SEP at Yarchen Gar here[83] with a reference to earlier bad faith effort which meet TEND definitions, and here[84] and here[85] and here via RS Buddhist Door[86]. Editor again reverts before examining RS and calls for a block in an edit summary[87] which signifies HOUND and TEND by editor are continuing. The lack of RS review by editor before revert was noted as was editor's history of blocks for feuding, here[88]. Editor again reverts here[89] while wrongly claiming "You have been told Tibet Post is not a WP:RS", but the RSN review did not specify that finding. Next, editor re-ads a South China Morning Post source provided by me[90], a re-adding that supports the interpretation of bad faith effort, since the earlier revert was therefore made without review and meets the definitions of HOUND and TEND. The re-adding also indicates editor's TEND issues are based on POV (the apparently non-independent Scmp POV fails to mention fully the notable topic of the demolitions, and includes a tone slightly disrespectful to the nuns). Editor's revert was undone, bad faith/feuding cited among other issues here[91]. An image of Yarchen Gar was added here[92].

To address other related topics, I would like to add that while the editor has said the reference to previous blocks is "intolerable"[93] I took editor's more experienced lead to include mention of the feuding block [94], based on the editor's mention of the BLP parameter ban (see diffs) - if following the lead was a mistake, I apologise. I would also add that I hope the good faith efforts made at Sinicization of Tibet and 11th Panchen Lama and their diffs might clarify any misunderstanding in regards to a Tea House thread, where quotations from those talk pages and good faith efforts were used: "The first sentence states clearly that Sinicization of Tibet is a term used by critics of China; then, the rest of the page is largely written from the POV of China, imo in flowing CCP-apparatchik goobolee-gook phrases." and "Those statements don't address the serious issues. Goldstein's bias diff [1]; Rice, Kissinger, and Albright do not change the issues. Also in the first paragraph are non-standard references to the Chinese government, as in "Chinese leadership" and "leadership in China". Twice. Hum." After a requoting, a light-hearted but possibly poor attempt at joking (humbly offering AKGG as possible WP policy) was made. No personal attacks were intended towards editor, nor was disrespect towards policy at all intended - I apologise if I caused a misunderstanding. But, editor exhibited more HOUND instances by following into that request for help, and into another helpful discussion afterward.

I trust the copious amounts of diffs and this very lengthy response to be good enough to explain the interpretation of bad faith effort by the editor. I also trust that the good faith edits I've been providing as a recently joined editor to the project are as apparent, if not more so. Thank you most sincerely, and I look forward to continuing the editing. ___________________

  • Archive diff for RSN topic CTA and RSN topic for International Campaign for Tibet, UNESCO, Tibet Post International/The Tibet Post, Tibet Watch, Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization, Free Tibet, Radio Free Asia is[95]


Verify sources

BARNETT

  • From Barnett, Viewpoint: Are Tibet burnings plot or policy failure?

16 November 2011 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-15738522,

  1. Verify:" 'Premeditated' "In the eastern Tibetan monasteries which have seen recent immolations, the pressures have been more serious than this. Since 2006, government spending per person on security in the Tibetan areas where the immolations have occurred has been 4.5 times greater than in neighbouring non-Tibetan areas and has increased at twice the rate." "This suggests that a security build-up had begun in these areas at least a year before the first major protest occurred there in 2008, probably because they included one of the largest monasteries on the plateau."
  2. Cites Xinhua as evidence of plot: "But in fact, there is one piece of evidence that one protest was planned: the Chinese government arrested two Tibetan monks in August for sending photographs to an exile of a fellow monk three days before he set himself on fire, thus "proving that the self-immolation was premeditated", according to Xinhua, China's official news agency." "But no other evidence of a plan has been produced by the Chinese government,..."
  • TIN

http://worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no93014814/ Sourcewatch https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Tibet_Information_Network Fr.wiki https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet_Information_Network Hiring report in Lhasa https://savetibet.org/tag/tibet-information-network/

  • 60th anniversary event

https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2011/08/22/chinas-liberation-tibet-rules-game/

Diffs

02OCT on talk [96] then[97] then[98]. Then on another talk[99] then[100]