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Notability of Ipo Arakeji

Can someone familiar with Osun State and the general political sub-divisions of cities, villages, etc. in Nigeria look at Draft:Ipo Arakeji from a WP:Notability and WP:PLACEOUTCOMES perspective? It appears to be a populated area of less than 3 square km. surrounded by less-populated land.

If this page WOULD survive a deletion discussion then the draft should be improved and citations added. If it would not, it's probably best to let the editor know that the topic simply does not qualify for a stand-alone article in the English Wikipedia.

My hunch is that if it's got a recognized government, it will meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, if it does not, it's iffy. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:06, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Davidwr:,

Its nice to still see you wikifying contents on Wikipedia after so many years. I remember you during my very very early years on Wikipedia when I was working on The Headies article. Back to the article, I agree that the article should be notable, we normally keep articles on towns such as this, but it will be difficult getting internet sources for this (same with most Nigerian towns). However, I am confident there will be significant offline sources. But I want to mention that it was not until 2014 that the community became fully autonomous from Ikeji-Arakeji, although they have been having their rulers centuries earlier, but not recognized directly by the government (only through other rulers). So I wouldn't have mind a merger with the more prominent Ikeji Arakeji if we were in 2014, but presently they are completely separate communities, so that is completely out of it. I think Wikimedia Nigeria has a thing with some public libraries in Nigeria, or if there is an active Wikimedia community in Obafemi Awolowo University, those are places who can get offline sources for this article. I will speak to someone if there is a Wikimedia community in OAU. I don't know what else I can do. Maybe some other persons have something to add? HandsomeBoy (talk) 18:27, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

I am aware that some Nigerian universities are properly digitalized, if we can come to an agreement for them to give us access to their portal or get some of them to become editors I think we could easily search the database for coverage. As it is, the only tool I have is the internet and going to a library that is close to my house. This is the more reason why good strategization is required.HandsomeBoy (talk) 18:50, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

HandsomeBoy Thank you for the accurate information, Ipo Arakeji is different from Ikeji Arakeji and there is a copy of the official gazette from the State Government. Although most parts of the town was known as Ikeji Arakeji for so many years, however, the town has its own Palace and recognized traditional ruler. What do you suggest? I also appreciate your efforts User:Davidwr You are doing a really great job on this subject Anonymoussix (talk) 00:40, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Creation of an Article Seax Penz

The artiste name is Seax Penz, real name Ajetomobi Abraham Oluwafemi, an Estate Management graduate of University of Lagos. He featured on a notable Naijaloaded Cypher that was released on 1st of January 2016, the day of the Headies Awards in the same year. He also had his slang "Leave Trash For Lawma" famously used by Olamide. I would like to create an article about him, kindly suggest what to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymoussix (talk • contribs) 00:50, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Note: A draft version is at Draft:Seax Penz. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 00:56, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

@Davidwr: Yes it is there, what do you think I can do to make it a worthy content please Anonymoussix (talk) 01:38, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

As I said on my talk page, I don't have the time to give you the help you need, I hope you find the help you need here or at the Wikipedia Teahouse. I also gave you some general advice on my talk page about how to be a more productive Wikipedia editor (diff). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:43, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

@Anonymoussix: Don't waste your time on the article, he fails WP:NMUSICIAN and will be deleted by another editor. We have an Wikipedia:WikiProject AfroCine coming up in October. If you're truly interested in adding content, that will be a great avenue to make cinematic contributions to Wikipedia. Watch this space for information on that. HandsomeBoy (talk) 05:51, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

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Someone have a look?

The article Superstar (2015 film) is up for deletion and I was wondering if anyone could have a look for sourcing. It feels like there should be more out there, however Google isn't the greatest at searching non-European or American English websites. I was wondering if someone who is more familiar with getting around this could look for sourcing, to see if it passes NFILM as at present there really isn't enough to firmly establish that it does. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:15, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this to the attention of the WikiProject, hopefully someone has a look...keeping in mind the geographical bias that may arise on such films.HandsomeBoy (talk) 18:18, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

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First woman/women elected to parliament

Hello. I am aware that Wuraola Esan was the first woman in the National Assembly, as an appointed Senator. Does anyone know who the first woman (or group of women) elected to parliament was? Cheers, Number 57 18:27, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Number 57: When you say "Parliament", I believe you mean "Federal House of Representatives". My hunch tells me Patricia Etteh, but will double check and get a reference for it.HandsomeBoy (talk) 05:02, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Margaret Icheen was the first woman speaker of any Nigerian legislature 1, 2 HandsomeBoy (talk) 05:06, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Franca Afegbua was the first woman elected senator in Nigeria 1. HandsomeBoy (talk) 05:18, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

From my findings, Margaret Ekpo and Janet Nwadiogo Mokelu were the first women parliament members at state level. HandsomeBoy (talk) 05:39, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Also want to point out that when Wuraola Esan became a federal senator (from 36) in 1958, there was no woman member of house of representatives (from 312) in history yet 1. HandsomeBoy (talk) 06:01, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Since there was no woman in the house of rep election of 1959, then we need to check if the next election, which is 1964 Nigerian general election if it produced a woman.HandsomeBoy (talk) 09:09, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

I have found some references stating that the first women (possibly three) were elected to the House of Representatives in 1979. The article on Janet Akinrinade claims she was elected to the Constituent Assembly in 1977, which would make her the first. However, I cannot find any information about the 1977 election and am wondering whether there really was a proper election, or whether delegates were indirectly elected by other bodies? Number 57 09:23, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm also a bit confused by the claim that Esan was a Senator from 1958; the source claims that this happened at the 1958 elections, but there were no federal elections in 1958 (there were in December 1959). The sources I have seen say she was appointed in 1960,[1][2] (the latter gives her appointment date as 8 January 1960, which would be more logical if she was appointed after the December 1959 elections. Number 57 09:29, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

@Number 57: Sources suggest there were elections in 1958 and 1959, what is unclear is if hers took place in 1959 or 58 (it may be possible that for some odd reasons, her constituent election happened earlier than other regions in Nigeria). I won't also rule out the possibility of an error from references stating it happened in 1958. This sort of discrepancy in records is one of my motivations of contributing to Wikipedia. I believe Wikipedia should be used as a tool to propagate correct information even when some sources could be missing it. Secondly, I am not convinced that a legislator in 1979 will be the first. According to the scholarly article, "Women's Political Participation in State Legislatures in South West Nigeria" (2018), it says "...The first republic (1960-1965) saw only an insignificant number of women in Southeast playing prominent roles. In the Eastern house of Assembly for instance, only two women were members. Mrs Margaret Ekpo and Mrs Janet Muokelu. From 1960 - 1965, there were only two female legislators in the federal parliament and four female legislators in the whole country...". This suggest to me that we had female legislators during the 1964 elections! HandsomeBoy (talk) 05:52, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

The two it refers to are Esan and Bernice Kerri, who was appointed to the Senate in 1964.[3] The vast majority of sources state Esan was appointed in 1960;[4] the 1958 election was her being elected to Ibadan Urban District Council.[5] Number 57 12:01, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Obinwanne Okeke

HandsomeBoy, good evening. I made a discovery that MIGHT need the attention of this Wikiproject. A certain JoshuaMokwuah made some edits on Obinwanne Okeke. Considering the fact that he’s yet to be proven guilty, I do think that some edits needs to be reverted until he’s proven guilty — my thought though. Timi (talk) 19:13, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

@Timileyin Olalere: I have gone through most his changes, and I have to agree with you that I am not comfortable with may of them. At the same I want to be careful not to remove additions based on my personal assessment, and not necessarily against policy or guideline since that might be tending towards WP:OWN, and everyone should be able to freely contribute on Wikipedia. I also do not have enough time to invest in this article at the moment, but if you can make specific edit suggestions, I will review and make the changes on the article. First of all, I am going to remove the "...is a Nigerian fraudster." as the first sentence, as I believe that is giving undue weight to an individual that has only been convicted once. If he is sentenced, I'd rather have "...is a convicted Nigerian entrepreneur". Please send me your suggestions, so as to save me time, thanks. You are doing a great job monitoring the article.HandsomeBoy (talk) 06:08, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

@HandsomeBoy: I'm not Timileyin Olalere but I do have some "style-related" input: Any sentence that says "... is a convicted ..." should be followed by the crime he was convicted of, or possibly a layman's term for the crime if the actual charges are in "legalese." "Convicted [nationality] entrepreneur" is confusing, "... is a convicted [criminal charge] and entrepreneur from [nation]" or "... [nationality] entrepreneur convicted of [criminal charge]..." or something similar would be much better. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 14:23, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

@Davidwr: thanks for stopping by, and providing your always insightful interpretations of Wikipedia policies and guidelines. I have definitely taken notes and will apply that in the future. That being said, I will like to know what you think about the lede sentence for this article. When Bri created this article, the lede read "Nigerian businessperson", which I felt is more appropriate than the current "Nigerian fraudster" that was introduced by JoshuaMokwuah in September 2020. Before the fraud case, he was probably borderline notable (or soft/weak delete) as he has been independently featured on BBC, Forbes and several other Notable Nigerian media outlets. Plus, while he has already pleaded guilty, the case is still the court. I made a change, but was quickly reverted by Iridescent. Initially, I wanted to ignore and will still do, but since you are here I would just love to know what you think just for enlightenment purposes or in case of another similar situation in the future. Maybe I am just being too careful, but I think before Wikipedia categorizes someone as a fraudster alone as the intro lede, there should be more than what I am currently seeing as in the case of Invictus Obi. I was not convinced by the if most sources call someone a fraudster, then he should be addressed as such on Wikipedia argument by Iridescent.HandsomeBoy (talk) 23:23, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm not the best person to ask as I am not familiar with the judicial situation in Nigeria, but thanks for asking anyway. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 23:33, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much. HandsomeBoy (talk) 23:39, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

We are usually very careful with BLP articles because of potential harm to the subject. I'm not sure how a Wikipedia article could further harm someone who has pled guilty to a $11M fraud case in a U.S. federal court. The guilty plea relieves us of concern IMO; BLP protections wrt to a description as a "fraudster" seem irrelevant now. If we want to be extra careful maybe "confessed fraudster" would be appropriate, but I don't see the necessity. – ☆ Bri (talk) 04:11, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

@HandsomeBoy: @Timileyin Olalere: @Davidwr: Obinwanne Okeke has pled guilty for the charges against him before a federal judge. Bri brought this to my notice. He cannot be an 'alleged fraudster' after a sworn confession has been accepted by a federal judge. This made sense to me hence the change. I'm Nigerian too so I quite understand the sentiments but I don't think they are relevant to the article.

HandsomeBoy sorry for not being quite active (Job issues and all). I guess the decision has been made. But I do still believe the article isn't just right. I'm not affiliated to him or anything but it's quite awkward to me. Nevertheless, if it's among the Wikipedia policies to throw the positive side of an article and only give the negative side (idk what happened to the neutral view policy: WP:POV) then it's totally OK by me. Timi (talk) 01:42, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Members of Borno State House of Assembly

Are members of the Borno State House of Assembly generally presumed notable? That is, do they generally receive enough coverage to meet WP:GNG? In the United States, the equivalent groups - the members of the 50 states' legislatures - would almost always qualify under WP:GNG. I don't know if the same is true in Nigeria or not, so I am asking. A new editor has drafted an article on a newly-elected member here. The draft needs major trimming upon acceptance, but if notability is not clear, I won't bother moving it into the main encyclopedia. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 04:12, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

According to WP:NPOLITICIAN, elected state members of house of assembly should be notable. Considering that Borno State is in the Northern region who have limited internet penetration, you might not find many online sources to meet GNG. Personally, if I see such an article in mainspace, the only thing I can do is to add maintenance tags for more references and improvement. I think it has every right to be in mainspace (as long as no other policy is being broken), I will open the article rightaway for more context. HandsomeBoy (talk) 12:11, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

I guess my question was more along the lines of "is there anything particular about Nigerian politics that would say otherwise." Hypothetically, a nation could have "state legislatures in name only" that had no real power and whose elected members received no more press coverage than a small-town mayor would. As an analogy, in the United States, some county- and city-level lawmaking bodies are basically toothless, in others, they exercise a lot of power and, while not "automatically" meeting WP:NPOLITICIAN since it's not a "state-level office," their members stand a good chance at meeting WP:NBIO or WP:GNG. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:33, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

They actually do. State has a high level of independence and immunity from federal. What I find troubling is that there is another prominent individual by the same name (likely a relation)1 2. There might be sources in Hausa, if we can get this to a stub, it will be fine by me. HandsomeBoy (talk) 18:52, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Is this appropriate?

I wanted to make an edit at Hushpuppi when I received a warning from a higher authority. So my question is, since Obinwanne Okeke is a fraudster (who's yet to be proven), don't you think it would be appropriate if Hushpuppi can be edited? What am I saying? The short description says: “Nigerian Socialite” instead of "Nigerian Fraudster" and the lead sentence isn't anywhere close to what we know him as, someone who isn't "warned" should tell me on what to do. Timi (talk) 22:06, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Funny thing is while a pre-fraudcase Ivictus was a celebrated entrepreneur that founded several companies with many high profile individuals on the board, Hushpuppy is a narcisitc fraudster who use stolen funds to buy expensive cars and display on social media. But Wikipedia hierarchy will rather soften its stance on him, appalling! HandsomeBoy (talk) 06:25, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

@HandsomeBoy, I just peeped the Invictus obi article creator and was surprised it wasn’t a Nigerian who created the article. In my opinion & from how the article was worded, e be like say Invictus don scam baba or do baba strong thing or person wey him sabi. Celestina007 (talk) 06:45, 4 December 2020 (UTC)