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Variable gauge axles#Canada

Variable gauge axles were used for a while in 19th century Canada but proved unreliable. Some technical details, if possible??? Peter Horn 19:06, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Know no details. Sorry. Tabletop (talk) 01:03, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Then where does the info originate? Peter Horn 23:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I.e. what is the outside reference? Peter Horn 23:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Easy Access

An article that you have been involved in editing, Easy Access, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Easy Access. Thank you. Zondor (talk) 12:42, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help

Thanks for your help on the Lake Placid bobsleigh, luge, and skeleton track article. It earned a DYK yesterday. Chris (talk) 14:51, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

On a similar topic: Thank you for your Copy editing on Beating Retreat, it is much appreciated, from a dyslexic editor over here! Philip.t.day (talk) 17:55, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Compagnie Internationale des Wagons-Lits

Hello Tabletop, thanks for spelling correction on the CIWL article. I noticed that there were a large number of other "whitespace" alterations on this page at the same time. The (otherwise non-visible) changes make it much harder to track down what has changed when viewing a diff, and also introduce a large CPU usage hit onto the servers. Please when you make changes try to avoid altering any other white-space layout in an article's source (although I appreciate that it can be tempting). Once again, thank you for your Wikipedia contributions! —Sladen (talk) 02:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Macarthur railway station

When you started Macarthur railway station, Sydney way way back in 2005, you stated Diesel trains on the Southern Highlands line also stop here. I am going to remove that because i have seen diesel trains go past there as i work near that area. I assume the diesel trains go all the way to the yards where they are supposed to go for their destination. They definitely dont stop at Macarthur.Roadrunnerz45 (talk) 01:30, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

My mistake i wont change anything. It was a misunderstanding. I thought you meant terminate but of course you didnt. My mistake. Roadrunnerz45 (talk) 02:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Usage of Term Remonetisation

Your use of the term Remonetisation does not seem to be correct. It would be more appropriate to use the term redenomination. Please see talk: remonetisation and talk: denomination (currency) and check your dictionary. Karl (talk) 11:50, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

By all means combine the articles, but keep a #REDIRECT from Remonetisation to Denomination (currency), since I couldn't think of the correct term. Tabletop (talk) 02:34, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

No. Remonetisation must not be so redirected because it means something else. Instead all links that would benefit from such a redirection need changing as I have already done for Italian Lira#redenomination Karl (talk) 10:03, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of The Eighth Hour Romance

An article that you have been involved in editing, The Eighth Hour Romance, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Eighth Hour Romance. Thank you. Donald Albury 21:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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Your attention to correct spelling makes me :D.

• User:Adrian walks away slowly before he has a chance to leave any spelling errors.

—User:Adrian/zap2.js 2008-03-03 20:01Z

Spelling Mystake on "Get This" page

Hey there sorry you had to correct a spelling mystake of mine on the Get This page. Always had trouble with February. Thanks anyways for correcting it. MattyC3350 (talk) 05:53, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

White-space changes on Iobox

Hello Tabletop, thank you for your spelling correction on the Iobox article. I notice that there were a large number of other "whitespace" alterations to the heading on this page at the same time. The (otherwise non-visible) changes make it much harder to track down what has changed when viewing a diff, and also introduce a large CPU usage hit onto the servers. Please when you make changes try to avoid altering any other white-space layout in an article's source (although I appreciate that it can be tempting).

I recall that I previously notified you of similar changes, at #Compagnie Internationale des Wagons-Lits, one month ago above. Once again, thank you for your Wikipedia contributions! —Sladen (talk) 09:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello again 'Tabletop', thank you for continuing to enthusiastically contribute to Wikipedia. Please could you confirm that you have read this comment regarding large numbers of white-space changes. (You are welcome to indicate either here, or on User:Sladen, both pages of which I have 'watched'). Bearing in mind you may have missed the highlight alerting you to new messages—this further update should give you another indication opportunity! Thank you for helping to improve wikipedia. —Sladen (talk) 10:55, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I am reducing the amount of whitespace insert to where it is more justified, such as lack of space after full stop.Next sentance starts here. Tabletop (talk) 10:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for getting back! As you point out, the example of adding a space after a full stop is actually one of correcting an error and you are definitely to be congratulated for correctly doing so. A full-stop-space change alters the page when viewed; the changes I raised (spaces in heading; plus spaces in list items and newlines within paragraphs) do not visibly alter the output of the rendered article.

Changes that update the source-code without changing the layout, or visual formatting, of a page cause problems with storing and reviewing the differences of those changes. I have reviewed some of your recent changes and found it much easier to detect what was materially changed. My appreciations! —Sladen (talk) 12:11, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

The problem of lack of space after full stops (periods) is most noticable in contributions by sub-continentals (IN,PK,BG,SL), who Are also Poorish At capitalisation! Tabletop (talk) 05:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

This concern is about unnecessary white-spaces changes, not about useful edits. —Sladen (talk) 15:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Spelling correction methodology

Spelling corrections really need to be done one at a time with manual control because there are too many exceptions that have to be dealt with:

• deliberate errors in say historical documents need to be left alone.
• what if there are more than one correction.
• foreign languages and proper names need to be left alone.
• Image:file_names.jpg

When a misspelled word is encounterd, say foriegn or forein, it makes sense to deal with all similar misspellings by doing a search using the button on the left hand side of the screen. Wikipedia helpfully lists each matching misspelled word with one or two lines of contextual text. As each occurrance is corrected, then, depending on version of Internet Explorer, the listing of that misspelled word is updated immediately or when the screen is updated.

A count of the number of occurrances of that misspelled word, current and recent, is also displayed, and this count is updated on a daily basis. The update is not carried out correctly with some words for reasons that are unknown.

Tabletop (talk) 06:00, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Ragnarok

Heya, who's this? -- Skye. Damate

Ragnarok Tabletop (talk) 08:21, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Spelling archaeology

archaeology is stinky hard to spell.

arkeyallohgee, archeaology, archeolegy, archaealogy? Bah!

Note, this greek word means the science of old things. So says User:Damate.

So spell it Oldology and have Oldology either:

• print the correct spelling of archaeology, or else
• #REDIRECT archaeology! Ah!

Tabletop (talk) 08:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

White-space changes on St Pancras railway station

1. Thank you for enthusiastically editing Wikipedia and fixing one (1) spelling mistake on St Pancras railway station
2. The same edit introduced a further eight (8) unnecessary white-space changes.
3. These white-space changes made no difference to the rendered view of the document.
   • inserting spaces around the pre-existing heading A new role is planned
   • extra spaces between seven (7) pre-existing sentences.
4. Please stop making white-space adjustments.
5. This concern has been raised on this talk page twice before, at:
   • User_talk:Tabletop#White-space changes on Iobox
   • User_talk:Tabletop#Compagnie Internationale des Wagons-Lits
6. Please limit your edits to those making real changes.
7. Thank you. —Sladen (talk) 15:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Cleanup

It would seem like a good idea to tackle some Wikipedia:Cleanup backlog, at the same time as tackling spelling errors and spelling correction. Tabletop (talk) 07:14, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Tops !

Hello Tabletop,

Great to see you on top.

I am very grateful for your correction of my spellingmistakes.

I keep making them, and annoying friend and foe with them.

Let's make friends.

P.S. I tried to follow the advice you gave in the above section "Spelling Correction Methodology":

if a misspelled word is encounters, say foriegn

It did not help. Quod erat demonstrandum.

Lunarian (talk) 11:38, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

encounters should be encountered - nate that s and d are adjacent on the keyboard and are easy to mistype. Tabletop (talk) 22:39, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Life is fun, Nate !

Tops to know you.

:D ! Lunarian (talk) 10:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Casula Railway Station

Hi Tabletop, Saw that you were the user that started Casula back in 2005. Have you ever been there or used the station? I took some pics today and will put it up and damn it is isolated. It is in the middle of nowhere, i dont know why they built it there. No wonder there is so much trouble there, the vandalism about the machine on the wiki page and my friend lives near there but doesn't use it because of this. I wouldn't want to go there at night. Thanks, take it easy Roadrunnerz45 (talk) 01:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

There is not much on the east side where the river is, but if you climb the hill on the west side there are lots of houses and a shopping centre. Tabletop (talk) 11:34, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

List of rail trails

Hey Tabletop, see my comments on Talk:List of rail trails#List of pipeline trails. Please continue the discussion there for the benefit of others. Thanks Bleakcomb (talk) 02:41, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Biography

Please note that it is not necessary to add a "Biography" header within a biographical article. Neither is it necessary to add spaces around headers. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:00, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Other people do do this, eg Richard Peck or Thomas Posey.

It can bring the contents menu to the top where it can be seen straight away.

Tabletop (talk) 11:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

It is done by some, but the vast majority of biographical articles do not include it. A biographical article is a biography - if it needs dividing the article should be divided by stages of the person's life. If it's short it doesn't need a ToC at all, since it can all be seen on one page. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:45, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Military railways

Hi, seeing how you are interested in railways, I was wondering if you can assist, or recommend other editors who could contribute to User:Mrg3105/sandbox_for_Military_railways? I don't have sufficient time to expand it much, and someone "helped out" by cropping the structure of the Military railways--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 06:48, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Why I rolled back your spelling fix

Uh-oh While your typo fixes are appropriate literally 99.9% of the time, on Vext it wasn't. Just so you know, that is a deliberate misspelling. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:35, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Reason for deleting 2/3rd of an introduction to an article?

Tabletop, firstly, thank you for correcting the spelling error on the article entitled The Senussi Uprising. However, why did you also remove 2/3rd of the introduction of the article, for no given reason? I have undone that particular chance to the article. EasyPeasy21 (talk) 13:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe I hit the wrong key by mistake, it wasn't intentional or noticed. Good that you picked this up. Tabletop (talk) 00:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

List of driverless trains‎

Automated - 11187 matches Driverless - 157 matches

Thus driverless is a better keyword to indentify relevant article.

Tabletop (talk) 07:40, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank You Section

12 April 2008: Thank you for the spelling corrections to “Marginal utility” and to “Marginalism”. —SlamDiego_←T 02:57, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

You have a section for "Thank You"s? Cool. Anyway, thank you for catching my spelling errors. How embarassing! Sociotard (talk) 08:17, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Correcting mistakes on citations

I've noticed this occuring twice now, specifically that the term kms, which is used in the titles of citations for references of racing events. You've twice now "corrected" it to km. I understand that the latter is the correct abbreviation, but when it comes to a reference, I believe title used by the author is paramount, even if they use an alternative abbreviation. Just want to give you a heads up on this mistake so that it doesn't happen in the future. The359 (talk) 03:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Point taken. Do check each change one at a time, but the odd exception to the rules cannot be avoided. Tabletop (talk) 23:08, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

FYI

You have been written about here [1]. The writer thought that you were User talk:KimDabelsteinPetersen. The author of the piece is here User talk:Lawrence Solomon and he apologized to you here [2]. Just thought you should know about this. Remember (talk) 19:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I seem to have been badly mauled by mistake. Expect apology on national post. Tabletop (talk) 23:07, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, if you do, then you better bring it to the attention of Solomon 'cause I don't think otherwise you will get one. Cheers. Remember (talk) 01:13, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure how these things work but this page might be of interest to you: Wikimedia Communications committee. Regards --Apis 20:50, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Scarborough RT (TTC)

The Scarborough RT's trains are not fully automatic, which means that drivers are necessary to operate these trains. Thank you. Johnny Au (talk) 15:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Kim Dabelstein Petersen (Tabletop) caught POV-pushing in Canada's national media

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=440268&p=1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.222.149.167 (talk) 18:47, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

There's a world of difference between 'accused' and 'caught,' subby. Learn the difference. --LeyteWolfer (talk) 16:05, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Haven't been around TOW for very long, huh? And don't tell me that Wikipedia has ever cared about evidence when it comes to its own articles, and how it abuses non-admins. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.222.149.167 (talk) 16:55, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Let me ask you a question: do you believe Tabletop is Kim Dabelstein Petersen? Actually, let me jump to the point. Tabletop was 'accused' of engaging in a POV edit war, however Tabletop was actually 'caught' simply correcting a spelling error. See the difference? In other words, don't believe everything you read on the internet, even if its not Wikipedia. Try and have a good day; do good things. --LeyteWolfer (talk) 23:25, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry that i haven't commented here before, as there has been quite some commotion. I tried to get Solomon to apologize for the misattribution [3] (and apparently got it here [4]).

I assumed that Solomon would post a correction to the article - but that apparently hasn't happened. Instead he has posted another article [5], where he repeats the same thing. I've commented on that article as well - and specifically mentioned this.

Again - sorry for not having informed you earlier - but its been a bit busy ;) --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 22:34, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Lawrence Solomon

You have been named on a National Post article. [6]SYSS Mouse (talk) 01:34, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, there's so little discussion of it here, I imagine you're pruning it and this comment will speedily disappear, but assuming article is true, knock it off already. Good going on the spelling work, though. It's wonderful to have first-hand information from foreign editors, but it's not always phrased in the most felicitous manner. 58.37.106.231 (talk) 09:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

The good thing about things that aren't Wikipedia, you can actually tell the truth about Wikipedia without being threatened with a perma-ban. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.222.149.167 (talk) 16:56, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Biotch just got SLAPPED by Lawrence...

Tabletop is not Kim Dabelstein Petersen

For all of you that are reading the article in the national post [7] and commenting on it here, you should know that there is no evidence that Tabletop is Kim Dabelstein Petersen and that the author of that article was mistaken when reporting the story due to his apparent misunderstanding of the history page. The author of the piece, User talk:Lawrence Solomon, actually apologized to Tabletop (in an odd fashion) here [8] for his mistake when he found out his error. Remember (talk) 17:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Why was it posted to Coppertwig's userpage talk, and not here, to Tabletop's userpage talk? It's quite possible that Solomon screwed up on the attribution, but as far as Wikipedians suppressing inconvenient knowledge, that's something that we've all seen or encountered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.222.149.167 (talk) 19:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

For what its worth, User:Tabletop had absolutely nothing to do with what Solomon writes in his article, just as User:Remember says. Which anybody can confirm by perusing the editing history of Naomi Oreskes. And he is most definitively not me. --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 22:37, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey there, Thanks for fixing Matas. It seems that I have to learn to spell recieved received :) Cheers, Bobber0001 (talk) 05:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

See I before E except after C Tabletop (talk) 06:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I have fixed Febuary => February so many times that I now know how it is spelled! Tabletop (talk) 00:57, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Userpage

Hey, your userpage seems to have come under a small amount of vandalism. Please let me know if you would like it protected and we can stop it from continuing. Cheers, Tiptoety ^talk 22:10, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

New Project

Myself and several other editors have been compiling a list of very active editors who would likely be available to help new editors in the event they have questions or concerns. As the list grew and the table became more detailed, it was determined that the best way to complete the table was to ask each potential candidate to fill in their own information, if they so desire. This list is sorted geographically in order to provide a better estimate as to whether the listed editor is likely to be active.

If you consider yourself a very active Wikipedian who is willing to help newcomers, please either complete your information in the table or add your entry. If you do not want to be on the list, either remove your name or just disregard this message and your entry will be removed within 48 hours. The table can be found at User:Useight/Highly Active, as it has yet to have been moved into the Wikipedia namespace. Thank you for your help. Useight (talk) 17:57, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Video games notable for negative reception

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libral->liberal

Hi Tabletop

You (and others in the past) have edited the roman republican coinage page to change "libral" to "liberal". This is wrong, liberal is an entirely unrelated word. To quote from the page.

The bronze coinage was initially a fiduciary currency rather than a token currency, based on a "libral standard" where the as weighed one Roman pound (libra) with fractions in units of Roman ounces (unciae), with 12 unciae in a libra.

I assume this is being done via bot - is there a way I can flag this so that these spurious changes do not reoccur?

Curtius (talk) 11:58, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Stop Libral being incorrectly corrected

The changes are done manually (and not by bot) one at a time, which gives time for a quick (not always reliable) check. There were a few occurances of liberal mispelled as libral which were correctly corrected.

Maybe there should be:

1. a note like (sic) only in reverse, or
2. a note like (Not a misspelling), or
3. a note like (Real spelling), or
4. an actual article about Libral being the adjective for Libra and not the misspelling of Liberal so that the word Libral is highlighted in blue like a valid link.

I think that I would prefer option 4 as it is the least cluttered.

Tabletop (talk) 23:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I liked the list of options, agree with your choice, and have added a little bit to the article you created. With the links present, it is my opinion that this article is now of an appropriate length and that the stub notices can be removed. I am not very expert on procedures for wiki-review, so am leaving that up to you and/or others. I consider your handling of this to have been most appropriate. Thank-you!

Curtius (talk) 00:46, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Ferrocarril Central Andino

Talk:Ferrocarril Central Andino#Poor English This article needs a grammatical and syntactical clean up. Parts of it have obviously been written by someone who is less than 100% proficient in English! Right now I don't have the time to do this large job myself, otherwise I would do so. Peter Horn 22:42, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Make that Ferrocarril Central Andino#History Peter Horn 23:32, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: ADC

Mainly, that was because

1. You didn't provide inline citations, and
2. I was too lazy to look it up on Google.

Sorry. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 03:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Compensation

I just thought you had gone and created an article on the topic in a railway sense, but i turns out the link was wrong. Compensation (engineering) isn't quite it, and Compensation is just a disambiguation page. Wongm (talk) 02:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Khorgos

Hi Tabletop - just a short note to let you know that {{China-geo-stub}} isn't used any more, since it causes confusion between the two Chinas. Please in future could you use either {{PRChina-geo-stub}} or {{Taiwan-geo-stub}}, depending on where the place is? Cheers, Grutness...wha? 01:13, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Fine. Tabletop (talk) 03:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Leaviest trains

A tag has been placed on Leaviest trains, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect from an implausible typo.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you believe that there is a reason to keep the redirect, you can request that administrators wait a while before deleting it. To do this, affix the template {{hangon}} to the page and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this.

I can't really see anyone typing this by mistake, so there's little point keeping this redirect. I have fixed the text in train to suit. EdJogg (talk) 10:23, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Please delete this implausible typo! Tabletop (talk) 10:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Meekatharra

Really odd to see an external link with 30 year long gone rail line put add hoc in the ref section -

• (1) if its a ref - make it one
• (2) if its an ext link put it in ext links - as it stands it looks really odd
• (3) there are np current public plans about rebuilding any rail system in the area - if you put a comment like that it needs a cite.

and i stand by the 'rebuild' and the idea that the map is a misrepresentation - there has been no government plans to rebuild previous raiways - speculation about new railways is another thing

cheers SatuSuro 06:13, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

A whole project could be made about proposed railway lines that never happened all around the world - I would be very reluctant to endorse adding info on planned lines unless it is very clear that they are planned at the stage of adding to an article. I would not support general comments - even if they are planned.- otherwise the clutter on the pilbara and mid west articles will look like a vast speculation thing - perhaps even a separate article about proposed lines - with very very good referencing - rather than cluttering otherwise good articles. It would appear you are not a west australian - be very careful about your geography SatuSuro 07:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Tamanend Middle School

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References

Formatting References

Learning to format your references.

Examples:

Here is mine:

1. Cudahy, Brian J., - "The Containership Revolution: Malcom McLean’s 1956 Innovation Goes Global". - TR News. - (c/o National Academy of Sciences). - Number 246. - September-October 2006. - (Adobe Acrobat *.PDF document)

2. Chronological History - Union Pacific Railroad Company

3. Kaminski, Edward S. (1999). - American Car & Foundry Company: A Centennial History, 1899-1999. - Wilton, California: Signature Press. - ISBN 0963379100

4. "A new fleet shapes up. (High-Tech Railroading)". - Railway Age. - (c/o HighBeam Research). - September 1, 1990

Here is yours:

5. http://www.railpage.com.au/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5753&mode=&order=0&thold=0

Which is nicer?

Which is correctly formatted?

See: Wikipedia:Citing sources

Thanks...~ WikiDon (talk) 07:28, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Sp

Thanks for your opinion. Users can also click on 'diff' when viewing the history page, and see what was corrected within context. I often find and fix a dozen or more words in an article, and am not about to detail them all in the edit summary. The 'sp' abbreviation is explained in WP:ESL, with the note that "It is not usually necessary to specify the spelling change". These changes are generally not controversial. Doing as you suggest would result in far fewer articles being corrected. Happy editing! Chris the speller (talk) 13:39, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I usually detail one of the spelling corrections at any one time. It becomes tedious to do more. Tabletop (talk) 23:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Railway stations in Rwanda

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receive achieve

receive, achieve. achieve, receive. You'd be amazed at how much i struggle with this small spelling difference! Cheers for the clean up. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 14:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Rail transport in Brazil

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You will need to quickly add some actual content to this article to prevent it getting deleted. In the future you may find it better to build articles in your sandbox until there are complete enough to be added to the encyclopedia. Rmhermen (talk) 02:49, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Longest trains

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Image copyright problem with Image:Double Switching Z.jpg

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Added GFDL-self Tabletop (talk) 01:06, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

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OK Tabletop (talk) 10:20, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

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How does one access media that is now in Wiki Commons? Tabletop (talk) 10:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Simply, Add {{subst:ncd}} on image's page (I have done). Admins will remove it during the week —there is a backlog. Thanks for your work.--OsamaK 11:01, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Made some progress. Tabletop (talk) 02:44, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

See Level crossing hazard and Traffic lights.

Good, good. You may read more about preferred image formats (JPG, GIF, SVG, PNG) at WP:IUP#Format.--OsamaK 06:32, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I shall now try saving screenshots in Windows Paint as .PNG rather than .JPG. Tabletop

Have created Commons version of Image:Level Crossing Lights Sequence.PNG but it cAnnot be found???? AH! Working now; must have taken wiki a few minutes to make visible. Note slight difference between "1" left and "1" right.

(talk) 07:56, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of August 2008 in rail transport

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Thanks

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		Thanks for correcting the spelling on a stub I have started Freedom of Dublin City. This kind of work a lot of times goes without anybody noticing. keep up the good work and happy editing BigDuncTalk 22:44, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Alonzo Harris

Do you think this article meets the criteria for WP:FICT? Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 03:32, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Lynton and Barnstaple Railway

Tabletop, I am surprised that you are not aleady aware that Wikipedia talk pages are primarily intended for discussion of details given in the main article, and for improving the quality of the article not for asking specific questions such as the three you posed on the Lynton and Barnstaple Railway talk page, and those you have recently posted to other railway talk pages. If you are looking for such information, may I suggest you search more completely on the Internet, read up on the subject using some of the article references, or find one of the many forums/discussion groups that cover the subject. Kind regards, Lynbarn (talk) 12:46, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Chicago Freight Car Leasing Australia

The 1000 figure - can you clarify this, I assume this is locos and wagons combined? Do they have separate figures in the article? Wongm (talk) 05:43, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

The T&S magazine arrived today, and only gave the grand total 1145 and not separate figures for locos, wagons (and pax carriages). The figures for locos are generally shown in Motive Power magazine, but you will have to wait a while for this to come. Tabletop (talk) 05:48, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Borung Highway collision

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Like, 'sup

Oh hay look here! Benshi —Preceding undated comment was added at 10:26, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Daylesford Railway

Why unusual? Daylesford was the end of the line for both Ballarat and Woodend. They can't come in from the other end if the line ends at Daylesford.--Sting Buzz Me... 09:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

At Cowra and Forbes, the two lines meet end to end (not side by side) and through trains can operate without having to shunt. This is by far the most common arrangement. Tabletop (talk) 09:41, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Gerogery level crossing accident

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Use of flagicons

Flagicons are a good idea, even though this is not a sporty topic, because:

1. Helps teach the flags, especially where flags of different countries are similar.
2. Helps find things, flags are easier to read than words.
3. E. Brittanica probably doesn't use flagicons.
4. Am copying others who thought it is a good idea.

Tabletop (talk) 06:25, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I have removed them from several articles, some where their use did not follow Wikipedia:Manual of Style (flags), and others in a grey area where they just seemed untidy and redundant. I suggest you discuss the grey areas on the article talk pages. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 08:23, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Twiga Cement

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Adding infobox maps to geo articles

Hi given that you state you are interested in maps if you create articles like Kisaki, Tanzania in future can you please add an infobox and enter the coordinates (and categorize it e.g. Category:Cities, towns and villages in Tanzania, cheers ♦ Dr. Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 12:29, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Do do this to some extent, but will endeavour to do more. Tabletop (talk) 00:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Mack Trucks

Regarding your edits to Mack Trucks.

Why all the spaces? It doesn't change to appearance of the article?

Since all of the other bullett points have a "*", why didn't you add one?

Do you know what a proper noun is? Well, if you slept through that class, all proper nouns are capitalizied (the only exceptions are registered trademarks, like eBay, or used in a work of fiction). Like:

winnsboro sc.

It should be:

Winnsboro, S.C.

And, here in Wikipedia we spell out S.C.:

South Carolina

And, shouldn't you question if that addition was factual or not?

Maybe it was a hoax? The real news was:

• Moving the company's administrative headquarters and most support functions from Allentown, PA, to Greensboro, NC, where many of these support functions - like Information Technology, Parts Logistics, Human Resources, Finance, etc. - are already headquartered, in order to improve organizational efficiency.

Please give the money back for your education and take better care with editiing.

207.69.137.25 (talk) 00:33, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:Kibangou

Hi TT - the stub template you were looking for is {{RCongo-geo-stub}} (and the one for Congo-Kinshasa is {{DRCongo-geo-stub}}) Grutness...wha? 01:05, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

The two Congoes are a real pain when it comes to their exact names! Tabletop (talk) 01:53, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Level crossing hazard

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Heads up

See this text about you that I removed from the tabletop disambiguation page. It had been there in some form for nearly four months, and edits to the item take up most of the history of that page. You might want to keep an eye on it - it's on my watchlist now. Graham87 09:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I've just read the sections above about the National Post article, saying that there was a mistaken reading of page history. The original article is unavailable now, probably for good reason. I'm still shocked that the vandalism stayed on the tabletop disambig page for so long. Graham87 09:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Level crossing hazard

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Proposed deletion of Falling Rain Genomics

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Spelling

Thank you for correcting the spelling in some of my articles. I can't believe I spelled Japanese as Japnese, twice, and in two different articles! Scapler (talk) 14:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Could be worse, I apparently spelled "education" as eduction. Talk about embarrassing! Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 02:06, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

School has even been spelled "Schoool" or "Scool" !! One can reasonably blame one's less than perfect typing! Tabletop (talk) 02:09, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Disagree

Ext links are ext links, refs are refs - have rearranged in Cue and Wiluna - SatuSuro 02:58, 8 September 2008 (UTC) I see no reason to actually link to an article page in this context - the point is the map ext links are very poor quality and close to useless, and could not be considered to be useful maps links - they are nowhere near quality of the Australian geoscience info - and the issue of finding edited pages with ref links in ext links, and ext links in ref links is disconcerting to say the least SatuSuro 03:15, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I will start using ext links as you suggest. Tabletop (talk) 03:17, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - if you dont mind - it is a problem that the maps are close to useless and dont correlate to other features well at all but the textual info is good - the old plus and minus balance issue for the info SatuSuro 03:21, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Just checking

And I noticed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tabletop/RSAUWA that you had created - would you like a long and complicated answer to that? If so please let me know - otherwise I will wait till you put it somewhere out of your own personal space - cheers SatuSuro 10:58, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

House Resolution 362

Thanks for spiffing up that article it is greatly appreciated it really needed it --Zaharous (talk) 03:05, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Curious

Is there any particular reason you edit headers from looking like this: "==HEADER==" to looking like this: "== HEADER ==" ? I can't tell that it makes a difference in any way at all in the way the header is displayed, but perhaps I'm missing something ... Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 10:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

My primary purpose is to fix repeated occurrences of a particular spelling error, and while I am on each such occurrence, it makes sense to change anything else that needs fixing or is less than conforming. BTW, "== Heading ==" is a quite common usage. I do from time to time bow to other's preferences, such as changing "== See Also ==" to "== See also ==" (note the lower case "a"). Tabletop (talk) 10:33, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

For "See Also => See also" fix, see Making History: The Calm & The Storm.

I understand capitalisation changes—I was more just curious about why the addition of the spaces when nothing else is changed. I'm not trying to be critical at all—just curious. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 11:15, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

The extra space, and also a blank line before a == Heading == make things easier to read, IMHO. Tabletop (talk) 11:18, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

OK; thanks. That's understandable. You're probably right that it makes it easier to read or edit. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 21:29, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Please excuse the intrusion but the mention of spelling and noting a word above - I just had to correct the spelling SatuSuro 11:21, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Please note

The redlink you have just created at Sandstone and other locations is innappopriate - are you prepared to have a discussion before I revert? SatuSuro 04:46, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I have no idea why or how you think such an item is needed - there is a process - we have a Western Australian noticeboard/project page and I think it needs very careful consideration - I have no idea where you get your information from or where you are - but there are quite considerable issues arising from starting such an article - however I am not going into the issue unless you are prepared to have a discussion - placing red links on obscure long dead railway locations suggests a limited understanding of the process - have a look at what already is there - or perhaps the way they have done so in the Victorian prject - please do not keep adding red links until a conversation has at least ascertained why you think your idea has validity SatuSuro 04:52, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok it may have come over a bit negative - just take care if you are going to try start the article expect very very close scrutiny (specially the sources) as I would argue that such an article is pointless for a whole lot of reasons - there need to be regional breakdowns and other further local context considerations - and it is far more appropriate to try smaller contexts - what you are focusing on here is a group of long closed stations that have little sense or context outside of local histories - so expect close scrutiny on this - cheers.

Also the falling rain maps are close to pointless and give little sense of where they are placed - I have no idea why you persist in putting them in? SatuSuro 04:55, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Please do not create Railway stations in Western Australia without either going to the WA project noticeboard or talking about what your sources are - also towns with railway stations from former lines is really a lost cause unless you have a very good source at hand and know what you are doing - imho SatuSuro 05:27, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

As an aside, looking at the Falling Rain map for Wanneroo [9], quite apart from the fact it uses a spelling of Wanneru which was gazetted out of existence in 1953, zooming in 2x by 2, it uses the 1966 urban boundaries and road system for Perth (the coastal one is Mullaloo Beach, the road to it is the old Mullaloo Drive which includes Craigie Drive, Coyne Road and the eastern part of Ocean Reef Road). Scanning southwards, I see roads that don't exist and have never existed. It's more accurate for Rockingham, although contains the pre-1985 road layout for Mandurah. If they can't even get basic stuff near a major city correct or up to date I fail to see why we should be using it for any sort of reference purposes - their information sources are clearly not up to scratch for WA. Orderinchaos 04:20, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion

If the urge is so strong - try thinking in terms or regions/branches - otherwise it is too big for practical purposes - Western Australian Government Railways check section 6 - you have Sandstone, Meekathara and Sandstone there - try starting an articles there from the red links - rather than the whole of WA - much more sensible SatuSuro 06:25, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_railway_stations_in_Western_Australia this already exists - also look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Closed_railway_stations_in_Western_Australia - thanks SatuSuro 06:38, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

My apologies for coming over so strong on the issue - thank you for your contributions SatuSuro 15:09, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a whole bunch!

		The Minor Barnstar
		Thank you so much for correcting my spelling on pretty much every article I've ever worked on. I promise I'll learn how to spell "received" correctly eventually! <:) Intothewoods29 (talk) 18:22, 29 September 2008 (UTC)