Talk:International Campaign to Save the Monuments of Nubia

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 00:09, 14 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

International Campaign to Save the Monuments of Nubia
International Campaign to Save the Monuments of Nubia
  • ... that the global coalition to save Abu Simbel, Philae and many other temples (pictured) led to the creation of the modern list of World Heritage Sites? Source: The World Heritage Convention: "The event that aroused particular international concern was the decision to build the Aswan High Dam in Egypt, which would have flooded the valley containing the Abu Simbel temples, a treasure of ancient Egyptian civilization. In 1959, after an appeal from the governments of Egypt and Sudan, UNESCO launched an international safeguarding campaign. Archaeological research in the areas to be flooded was accelerated. Above all, the Abu Simbel and Philae temples were dismantled, moved to dry ground and reassembled. The campaign cost about US$80 million, half of which was donated by some 50 countries, showing the importance of solidarity and nations' shared responsibility in conserving outstanding cultural sites. Its success led to other safeguarding campaigns, such as saving Venice and its Lagoon (Italy) and the Archaeological Ruins at Moenjodaro (Pakistan), and restoring the Borobodur Temple Compounds (Indonesia). Consequently, UNESCO initiated, with the help of the International Council on Monuments and Sites (ICOMOS), the preparation of a draft convention on the protection of cultural heritage."

Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Self-nominated at 13:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Wow, interesting. Also surprising that we haven't got an article already covering this topic; seems to have had quite an impact. It's a new article and it's long enough, but there are several uncited paragraphs. Could that please be mended, as it's a DYK requirement to not have that? Schwede66 19:20, 3 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Schwede66, thanks for reviewing these articles. I have been through both articles and added citations as required. Onceinawhile (talk) 08:45, 4 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
International Campaign to Save the Monuments of Nubia
International Campaign to Save the Monuments of Nubia
  • Right, let's get into this. International Campaign to Save the Monuments of Nubia first. This is a new enough article (nominated just outside the 7-day window; no issue) and long enough. The last sentence of the first lead paragraph needs a copyedit. It's neutral and adequately sourced. Earwig is happy. That article is good to go.
  • Regarding the hook, the image has a clean license. I'm not sure that it really works to have the text as part of the image, which turns it into an infographic. It's just too small at the size at which it is displayed on the main page. Maybe use this crop instead (International Campaign to Save the Monuments of Nubia (page 1 crop).jpg)? The hook is interesting. It uses the word "global" which isn't in the "International Campaign to Save the Monuments of Nubia" article. As the 50 countries aren't listed, maybe global isn't the right word (there's no way to know whether those countries span the globe). Having watched the first video, it uses the term "multi-national" and whilst this term isn't in the article either, it more accurately describes the situation. See what you think using this word in an ALT1. If you use the cropped picture, maybe the phrase "pictured" should be amended to read "relocation pictured". Hook is sourced.
  • QPQs are done.

I'll review the other article next and will then use a review symbol. Schwede66 19:00, 9 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for a great review. On the countries involved, see pages 185, 191 and 196 of this excellent article by Lucia Allais. She took the data from the 1987 book by Torgny Säve-Söderbergh, which is also in the bibliography (and available on archive.org). I am fine with the cropped picture as you suggest. Onceinawhile (talk) 22:39, 9 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see two options going forward:
  1. You talk about the 50 countries covering the whole globe and use that source as a reference, or
  2. You add the 50 countries to the article (preferably in a collapsed box) using that source as a reference
Either will do to satisfy hook sourcing requirements. Me simply checking out the source won't do. Schwede66 00:47, 10 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK no problem. I have gone for option 3, and added a large new section summarizing the contributions of the various countries. I had been meaning to do this work, so thanks for the push. Onceinawhile (talk) 09:31, 10 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Very nice! Individual Egyptian campaigns needs a reference. Schwede66 17:10, 10 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • World Heritage Convention New article; plenty long enough. Adequately sourced. The big issue is that more than half of the article is a quote (Earwig is obviously not happy, but it does relate to the quote only) and on top of that, it's only clear from context that it's a quote; it's not using quote marks. There are no hard and fast rules about how much is too much, but WP:OVERQUOTING would suggest that we are in breach here. What I suggest you do is to retain article number and titles, and the paraphrase what those articles say. I'm open to other suggestions, too.
Symbol possible vote.svg Overall, this is where we are at. Schwede66 18:53, 13 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Schwede66, many thanks for your review. I have addressed the quotation question by collapsing the detailed text. I have kept the titles of the key articles, as they help explain the key contents of the convention. On a related note, I can confirm that the treaty text is not subject to copyright (see Commons:Template:PD-UN-doc). I have also added the reference for the Individual Egyptian campaigns section in the other article. Onceinawhile (talk) 21:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol confirmed.svg Both articles are now fine and all DYK requirements have been met. Very good work! Now that you've removed the text of the individual articles, the headings should no longer be in bold font (but that's a stylistic issue that won't hold up promotion). Given the significance of this plus the good quality of the articles, I suggest that this should be considered as lead hook. Schwede66 21:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]