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This page holds approved nominations that are waiting to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page. Following DYK approval, nominations are processed and moved into a Prep area, and from there, prep sets are promoted to a queue, and then to the main page.

To create a new nomination or to see those that are yet to be approved, see Template talk:Did you know. For the discussion page see WT:DYK. Click on the link to go directly to the Special occasion holding area.

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
October 27 1
October 29 1
November 2 1
November 4 1
November 12 3
November 14 1
November 16 1
November 17 3
November 26 1
November 27 4 2
November 28 1
December 3 2
December 4 1
December 5 1
December 7 1
December 8 1
December 9 1
December 10 3
December 11 3
December 17 1
December 19 2
December 22 1
December 24 2 1
December 25 2
December 26 2
December 27 2
December 28 1
December 29 1
December 31 3
January 1 1
January 2 1
January 3 2
January 4 1
January 5 4
January 7 4 1
January 8 3 1
January 9 4 1
January 10 1 1
January 11 4 1
January 12 6 4
January 13 4
January 14 9 4
January 15 11 6
January 16 7 5
January 17 7 4
January 18 7 2
January 19 7 2
January 20 14 9
January 21 9 4
January 22 9 3
January 23 7 2
January 24 10 4
January 25 5 2
January 26 11 6
January 27 9 3
January 28 5 2
January 29 10 3
January 30
Total 220 73
Last updated 02:36, 30 January 2023 UTC
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Where is my hook?[edit]

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to the nominations page, and it also isn't on this page, in most cases it means your article has been approved and is either in one of the prep areas, has been promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

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How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g., "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
  • Back on DYK nomination page...
    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g., "Promoted original hook to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
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  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.


Special occasion holding area[edit]

February 1[edit]

February 11[edit]

Two Lovers and a Beachcomber by the Real Sea

  • ... that Sylvia Plath criticized her own award-winning poem for its "old crystal-brittle and sugar-faceted voice"? Source: Award-winning: "The same year, Plath won the Glascock Prize for her poem, Two Lovers and a Beachcomber by the Real Sea."[3] Criticism: "Her dissatisfaction with her previous work became a sweeping, self-castigating contempt, so that even her finest poems such as 'Circus in Three Rings' and 'Two Lovers and a Beachcomber by the Real Sea' were rubbished as products of 'the old crystal-brittle and sugar-faceted voice'."[4]

5x expanded by Mx. Granger (talk). Self-nominated at 00:13, 2 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg @Mx. Granger: Good article. Moving for the selective date. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:32, 2 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Grotto of Our Lady of Lourdes, Notre Dame

The Grotto of Our Lady of Lourdes, 1896
The Grotto of Our Lady of Lourdes, 1896
  • ... that the Grotto of Our Lady of Lourdes at the University of Notre Dame (pictured) contains two stones originally from the Grotto at which Our Lady of Lourdes is said to have appeared to Saint Bernadette? Source: Dorothy V., Corson (2006). A Cave of Candles: The Story Behind Notre Dame's Grotto. Nappanee, IN: Evangel Press. pp. 148–151. ISBN 978-1-933858-11-1. LCCN 2006908917.

5x expanded by Red-tailed hawk (talk) and Eccekevin (talk). Nominated by Red-tailed hawk (talk) at 22:49, 12 December 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg @Red-tailed hawk: Intereseting read. It's wonderful to see how far the article has come in shuch a short time. I'm going to assume good faith with the offline source, but other than, everything chekcs out. Approving; I'll let the DYK promoters deal with the special date request. Unlimitedlead (talk) 17:08, 20 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

February 17[edit]

Tonan Maru No. 3

Tonan Maru No. 3 in 1939
Tonan Maru No. 3 in 1939

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 15:04, 6 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg @Dumelow: Good article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:57, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

February 20[edit]

Equestrian statue of George Washington (Morristown, New Jersey)

Created by Zeete (talk). Self-nominated at 16:08, 23 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article created 21 January. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Hook is interesting and sourced. QPQ is done. Looks ready to go. Thriley (talk) 02:27, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

March 8 International Women's Day[edit]

Beverly Robertson (businesswoman)

Moved to mainspace by Bruxton (talk). Self-nominated at 15:48, 8 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Symbol confirmed.svg Dr Salvus 00:32, 14 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Dr Salvus: Symbol question.svg explained at another nom, but this one needs to be given a full review. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 01:27, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

General eligibility:

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Salvus (talkcontribs)

  • @Dr Salvus: would you like to explain what needs to happen before the nomination is approved? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 23:58, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • @Theleekycauldron:, what do I need to say? Everything looks like to be fine. Dr Salvus 20:25, 19 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • @Dr Salvus: If you are approving the nomination, you have to add a green tick mark with the code {{subst:DYKtick}} as a final step. Instead you used the "Query" symbol with the question mark sign, which means that an issue still needs to be addressed, and that the review is not yet complete. You can't just say it in words. Cielquiparle (talk) 08:44, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Joanna E. Schanz

  • ... that Joanna E. Schanz, who received a lifetime achievement award, revived broom making and basket weaving in the Amana Colonies? Source: Schmeal, Jacqueline Andre. Iowa Folk Artists. Iowa State University Press. and Lynch, James Q. (July 2, 2019). "Amana basket weaver keeps tradition alive". The Gazette. Retrieved January 15, 2023.

Created by SL93 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:12, 16 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough, long enough, interesting with the correct inline citations. The hook is also interesting. The QPQ is completed and the article is free of copyright violations. Possible March 8 International Women's Day article? Bruxton (talk) 23:19, 20 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Bruxton I would be fine with waiting for March 8. SL93 (talk) 23:20, 20 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nilofer Khan

Created by TheAafi (talk). Self-nominated at 17:21, 19 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Hi TheAafi (talk), review follows: article created 19 January and exceeds minimum length; article is well enough written and cited inline throughout to what look to be reliable sources; hook is interesting, mentioned in the article and checks out to sources cited; I didn't pick up on any overly close paraphrasing, Earwigs shows only the job titles as being copied; a QPQ has been carried out. Looks OK to me - Dumelow (talk) 10:11, 20 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@TheAafi and Dumelow: Possible March 8 International Women's Day hook? I checked it out and it passes. Bruxton (talk) 16:56, 21 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Bruxton, I have no issues. ─ The Aafī (talk) 17:02, 21 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bruxton:, any updates on this? Are you promoting this to IWD? ─ The Aafī (talk) 16:54, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
TheAafi It is in the holding area for March 8th: if you want it to run before March 8, I will have to move it. Bruxton (talk) 17:45, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bruxton:, that's what I was asking about. I didn't notice the holding area. I can wait for March 8. Best, ─ The Aafī (talk) 17:54, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pania Newton

Charcoal and chalk pastel sketch of Newton
Charcoal and chalk pastel sketch of Newton
  • ... that New Zealand activist Pania Newton (pictured) gave up a legal career to become an activist and spokesperson for the preservation of her ancestral lands at Ihumātao? Source: "She'd planned to move to Rotorua as soon as she graduated, to join her boyfriend and work at his dad's law firm. But then the survey pegs appeared on the land next door to her village at Ihumātao ... and everything changed." [5]; "The 27-year-old gave up a career in law to work for the preservation of Ihumātao – a 33km piece of Māori ancestral land on the shores of the Manukau Harbour – and she's already taken the cause to the United Nations three times." [6]
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jamie Beaton (entrepreneur)
    • Comment: The sketch is by Wikipedian Pakoire, would be great to see it on the main page. I understand from speaking with a more experienced DYK user that the linked review is OK to use as a QPQ even though the process isn't complete yet (awaiting further review by the OP). Grateful for any suggestions for improvement, to the hook or article. Cheers!

5x expanded by MurielMary (talk), Chocmilk03 (talk), and Pakoire (talk). Nominated by Chocmilk03 (talk) at 06:38, 23 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Comment only Just wondering about the credits as only the submitter has worked on the expansion. The point of the credit is to acknowledge those who have created "new" content (be that for a new article, an expanded article, or achieving GA). Pakoire produced the artwork (ages ago) and MurielMary started the article in 2019. I suggest there should thus be just one credit. Schwede66 20:46, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • @Schwede66: That'd be all good by me! I wasn't sure of the correct approach to credits so took a conservative one. The reason for including MurielMary was that the template instructions have a question mark next to "Author" which says, "If nominating an article created by another editor, change this value", but I did wonder whether that was meant to only apply to the new content. Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 20:54, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • Yeah, those instructions aren't at all clear, are they? I've adjusted the credits accordingly. Schwede66 20:56, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Note to reviewer – could this please be considered for International Women's Day on 8 March and moved to the appropriate holding area once approved? Schwede66 22:53, 25 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Review by Maile
  • Done
  • 6603 characters (1104 words) "readable prose size", 5X expansion began January 21
  • Stated in the article and sourced
  • Uploaded and freely licensed on Commons by L Maule, "sketch of Pania Newton by L Maule From the adamant, knowledgeable, strong and determined women and girls series"
Copyvio check
  • Looks OK. Earwig's Copyvio Detector picks up on institutional names, etc., that can't be avoided

Symbol confirmed.svg Nomination passes. — Maile (talk) 15:16, 26 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Maile66: Marvellous. Thanks for your review! Chocmilk03 (talk) 20:48, 26 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Josiane Lima

  • ... that rower Josiane Lima has competed at every Paralympic Games that has featured her sport, being proud to represent queer indigenous women in sport, and won Brazil's first rowing medal?

Created by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 05:36, 15 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol question.svg Article new enough and long enough. Well-referenced throughout, hook is verified with 2 sources. QPQ done, copyvio says no. The Brazilian sources seems to only say "first Paralympic rowing medal", though, not "first rowing medal"?. Added an ALT1 as "proud" is sort of subjective. Juxlos (talk) 12:44, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • @Juxlos: I think at least one of the sources says something like "Brazil's first medal in her sport", I can't remember if in Portuguese or English, though I guess you can also go through Brazil at the Summer Olympics and see there haven't been any rowing medals there ;) - and in the ESPN mini-doc, she says proud (orgulhosa) several times, for what it's worth - but I would be fine with the alt. Kingsif (talk) 22:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Kingsif and Juxlos: "competed at every Paralympic Games that has featured her sport" it appears in the lead, but not in the body. And the given references do not state this from what I can see. Foreign language source translated. Bruxton (talk) 19:01, 19 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Bruxton: I can't remember what is and what isn't in that source, it's a bit long for me to go over right now - but did you check the one right next to it? Because that's all it says. Of course, re. appearing in body text, I thought I had included it with the last paragraph of the career section, apparently not. I suppose it is perhaps asking too much to consider mentions of her competing in each of those Paralympic Games to convey the superlative - will incorporate. Kingsif (talk) 04:14, 20 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Bruxton: Check the tweet by WorldRowing (footnote no 2). Juxlos (talk) 04:58, 20 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Juxlos I saw but it is a WP:UGC Bruxton (talk) 15:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Due to the author of the Tweet, it is classified under WP:SELFSOURCE, and I believe that the org that runs the events is as good as you can get as a primary source. Juxlos (talk) 17:03, 20 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Kingsif It is a tweet from World Rowing so I do not know if it is Selfsource, but if it were a tweet from the Paralympic Games? I do not see it on their site, or in other RS. I will ask for an opinion from RoySmith. Bruxton (talk) 18:39, 20 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not exactly sure what I'm being asked here, but in general, tweets are not WP:RS, and the medianija source is an interview, so that's generally not a WP:RS either. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:02, 20 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@RoySmith: Tweets from random people, no, but a tweet from World Rowing? Come on. And the midia Ninja source isn't just an interview, it's like a profile that incorporates an interview - and it's a very respected independent outlet, especially covering women. If these aren't considered RS, something is wrong. Kingsif (talk) 01:48, 21 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If determined unacceptable, maybe a second ALT:
  • ALT2: ... that Paralympic rower Josiane Lima won Brazil's first rowing medal?
Juxlos (talk) 01:24, 21 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Happy to continue with reviewer, but adding this so that it returns to the noms page. Kingsif (talk) 15:38, 25 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well that doesn't seem to have worked, ping @Bruxton:; while we're here, to anyone, is it possible to mark this as a special occasion hook for women's day? I know we're doing a set or two for that. Kingsif (talk) 06:45, 26 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol confirmed.svg moved the tick to the bottom, will move this to March 8 with ALT2 Bruxton (talk) 18:17, 26 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Approved nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on November 27[edit]

Hacı Abdullah Restaurant

Created by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 12:39, 27 November 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Gave this a copyedit, feel free to review. New enough, long enough, neutral, every sentence has in-line citations and I trust that the translation process has eliminated any close paraphrasing issues that could have popped up. The corresponding sentence in the body for the hook fact is directly cited. QPQ completed. DigitalIceAge (talk) 17:26, 28 November 2022 (UTC)|}}Reply[reply]
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Hook was pulled from the Main Page after discussion at WP:ERRORS. I failed to catch that the hook fact is not entirely true, as the article brings up a few of instances where unconnected non-cooks have taken ownership of the restaurant. Reopening this in case CeeGee can think of another interesting angle for a hook; I am also willing to adopt this nomination. DigitalIceAge (talk) 02:59, 15 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @DigitalIceAge: First of all, thank you very much indeed for your efforts. You did a great job. I was not aware of the discussion in my absence, so that it was impossible for me to intervene. I did now a copy editing in the artcile, and suggest the following hooks: CeeGee 09:38, 15 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol confirmed.svg I can confirm the copper pots hook as interesting and referenced. The article has the correct inline citations and the QPQ is done. When nominated it was new enough and long enough. I spot checked one of the foreign language articles and I did not find copyright violations. Bruxton (talk) 18:08, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deaths of Arnold Archambeau and Ruby Bruguier

  • ... that police doubt that Arnold Archambeau and Ruby Bruguier died shortly after a car accident, even though their bodies were found near the scene three months later? Source: "Couple seen after crash, officials say" Argus Leader; March 20, 1993: "Tuttle and Bruguier's family agree with Whalen that the bodies likely were not there after the accident. Family members and authorities searched the ditch and area several times. 'I don't believe the bodies were there because if they weren't hurt, they would not lay down and die,' Tuttle said. Dr. Brad Randall, the Minnehaha Countv coroner, has said Archambeau and Bruguier died of exposure and were not injured in the rollover accident. Randall, however, could not confirm from the autopsies whether the two died on the spot. Among the people who have come forward with information is a Lake Andes man who rode his horse through the ditch Jan. 31 looking for a lost hub cap, Whalen said. 'This individual found no bodies and didn't find his hub cap either,' he said. Asetoyer said Bruguier's body likely was not in the ditch after the accident because her glasses and shoes were gone when the body was found."
    • ALT1: ... that unmatched keys and a tuft of hair suggest that Arnold Archambeau and Ruby Bruguier did not die after a car accident despite their bodies being found nearby three months later? Source: "Arnold Archambeau and Ruby Bruguier", Unsolved Mysteries, aired April 1995: "We found a tuft of hair alongside the road. This hair was later determined by the forensic laboratory to belong to Ruby Bruguier. That hair couldn’t have stayed there for three months. In my opinion, it was when whoever brought the bodies back to the ditch, that’s when that piece of hair fell off of Ruby. At the time we pulled Arnold’s body from the ditch, I found a set of keys in his pocket, the keys were a car or vehicle key. And what appeared to be two house keys. I still have these keys in my possession. And to this day I have not found the vehicle nor that house that these keys fit."
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Church Clothes 4
    • Comment: I would like this to run on December 12, the 30th anniversary date mentioned in the hook

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self-nominated at 22:32, 2 December 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg @Daniel Case: Good article. But I have a question. What makes Unsolved Mysteries a reliable source? Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:26, 3 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Onegreatjoke: Granted, it's not listed on WP:RSPS, which of course doesn't say anything either way, since both reliability and unreliability are indicated there; really, that page is only about reporting for easy reference by editors as to sources where discussions at RS/N have reached a consensus about a given source.

I do not think we presume anything regarding the reliability of a given source if it is not covered on that page, even where (as it seems in this case) there have not even been any RS/N discussions, so I of course won't make that argument. But ...

  • It initially ran for 11 seasons on two major American broadcast networks, and has since been revived and run on two cable networks. Now it is on Netflix. I do not recall any significant controversies over the time it has run about sloppy presentation of facts (I could say it is a bit superficial, but when you have to compress some very complicated stories into 7-minute segments, that's inevitable, and not a problem unique to that series), certainly none that reached the level of even threatened litigation, which is noteworthy in the context of a series which largely focuses on unsolved crimes or possible crimes, where those interviewed often showed no compunction about naming possible suspects (some of whom were, indeed, later arrested and convicted of the crimes in question).
  • For those first 11 seasons, during which the segment aired, UM ran on the aforementioned networks which had brands and reputations to protect. We thus can safely assume that this required the involvement of the sort of vetting and fact-checking processes, both internal to the show's production and external to it (i.e., the networks' legal departments), which have been found in many RS/N discussions to be essential to holding a source reliable no matter how unquestioned the veracity of its reportage may otherwise be.
  • I also doubt that Lifetime, Spike and Netflix would have supported the series's production and run episodes if the show had a dubious reputation for untrustworthiness.
  • Notwithstanding the foregoing, I would also note that everything in the UM segment is supported and restated in the news articles also cited as sources.
  • And finally, there is metaimportance to UM as a source: as a television series broadcast nationally, it primarily establishes the incident's notability, which the otherwise primarily regional coverage might not.

Daniel Case (talk) 19:55, 3 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol confirmed.svg I guess I can approve. Thoguh, im still too confident about the source. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:04, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol question.svg My apologies, Daniel Case, but I'm afraid I have to echo Onegreatjoke's concerns. For a source to be considered reliable on a topic like this, I'd want affirmative evidence that the source is considered reliable by reputable media outlets; not just a lack of evidence for missteps. To me, it would seem that major organizations could easily ignore Unsolved Mysteries as broadcast television, instead of taking it seriously. If the information in the segment is restated in other reliable sources, could those sources be used instead? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 05:19, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Theleekycauldron: They mostly are, and I can certainly add the extra cites. However, a fair amount of those sources, articles in small-town South Dakota newspapers, are limited-access at newspaperarchive.com and newspapers.com. Not every reader will have Wikipedia Library access. As the UM page is freely reachable online, I think it serves as a reasonable substitute for those sources for the many readers who can't reach the paywalled ones.

Frankly, it's more of a secondary source (two years ago, The New York Times described the show's website as "an information portal"—does that meet your standards? Comics Beat characterizes the episodes of its original series thusly when writing about the recent revival: "Much like the original, the show doesn't reach conclusions. It prefers to present the facts, perhaps nudge the audience down a particular road or two, and then leave viewers up to their own devices." Sounds almost familiar ...), really, aggregating all the factual claims from the other articles into one page, as well as some direct, attributed quotes. I don't see any difference between it and this article save in the style—there are no original theories of the case being advanced there, no facts reported only by Unsolved Mysteries.

And again, it establishes the case as having achieved national notability. I'm willing to add more sources to the end of sentences in addition to UM, but for a variety of reasons, not all of which I've gone into yet, I think it would be ill-advised and short-sighted to remove them all from the article entirely. Daniel Case (talk) 06:05, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Daniel Case: The New York Times piece from Tallerico you've cited is quite concerning – the work treats Unsolved Mysteries as the entertainment broadcast that deputized true-crime viewers, not a hard-hitting journalistic serial that happened to get shunted into NBC's weekly lineup. The piece reports that original NBC episodes (of which the Unsolved Mysteries episode in question would have been a part) came with a disclaimer that included "What you are about to see is not a news broadcast.", and the Times commented that "NBC was careful to distinguish it from the programming coming out of its news division." That suggests to me that this program was not intended to be news – both Tallerico and the show itself are telling us that it should not be relied on as journalism.
As for coverage of the serial's reliability itself, I also find it to be lacking. Tallerico writes that Unsolved Mysteries "was sensationalistic, it had low-budget aesthetic, and the dramatizations could be downright sleazy and laughable." Being sensationalistic and prone to dramatization are hallmarks of poor journalism, and it's part of why some sources (particularly tabloids) get a side-eye.
What I would suggest is that if Unsolved Mysteries had an impact on the progression of the story, that should be documented in more reliable secondary sources, even if they're less accessible. Notability aside, it shouldn't be used as a source for the facts of the case. I also think that if this case is notable, than the impact of Unsolved Mysteries should be demonstrated with independent sources. That implies national notability as much as anything else. I think, from what you've said, that those sources exist, but if they don't... well, Tallerico says that Unsolved Mysteries seems to have a penchant for exaggerating the importance of small, local stories. Maybe this is a case of that? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 06:46, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Theleekycauldron: I would also argue that the FBI getting involved because of a lawsuit that ultimately went to the Supreme Court made it nationally notable. Or, if you're OK with state-level notability being enough (as we seem to be in many other such articles), the attention the Argus Leader, more or less South Dakota's newspaper of record even though you've never heard of it, would be enough.

I don't think we should use characterizations of a television program's style and aesthetics as a criterion to judge the reliability of the facts it reports. You didn't quote Tallerico saying that UM ever got anything wrong, because he didn't. A sensationalistically-reported fact is nevertheless a fact, just as much as a lie reported in the most sober and neutral-sounding language, with apparent real sources cited in its support, is no less a lie (as we and many major respectable mainstream media outlets have found out to our embarrassment on more than one occasion). Just because a story feels like it's playing fast and loose with the facts doesn't necessarily mean that it is.

And as to the question of whether UM is credible in reporting facts of true-crime stories, I would note that The Hollywood Reporter said recently, in comparing the Netflix reboot unfavorably to the original series, "The original series was driven heavily by re-enactments and, yes, sometimes they were cheesy as heck, but they were a way of illustrating claims or possibilities." Just as we cite and attribute sources to illustrate claims or possibilities.

I also find this unusual level of scrutiny on this one particular source to have potentially troubling implications that, of course, I am sure neither you nor Onegreatjoke intend, but that makes it especially more compelling that we discuss them.

This incident occurred in a remote corner of a sparsely populated state, far from any major media centers. The two victims were Native Americans, further marginalizing them. And the one nationally broadcast program that publicized the story outside southeastern South Dakota is relentlessly questioned here as somehow suspect in its recounting of the facts despite no real reason to do so, just a sort of "it feels icky because I mainly remember watching it during high school with my friends while we were all drunk or stoned out of our gourds" type argument.

It would be altogether too easy, at least to me, for someone outside to look at this and wonder if in fact systemic bias isn't in play, at least at a structural level. And where someone wonders that, the perception will at least linger, perhaps even strengthen, no matter how forcefully we deny it.

If this case had happened with exactly the same set of facts to a couple in the suburbs of Minneapolis, and been covered by local newspapers there as well as Unsolved Mysteries, I think we might not be having this discussion. We have the article Missing and murdered Indigenous women because activists have called attention to not only those women and their cases but the relative lack of media coverage due to the same factors I pointed to above, making the subject notable enough for us. I know and accept that Wikipedia is not the place to right great wrongs, but neither should we knowingly play a part in perpetuating them, and one of those wrongs, we would all agree, is one we have an article ably documenting: missing white woman syndrome, partly enabled by the fact that it's structurally easier for the media to cover those cases for geographical reasons, but knowing that doesn't make the media look any less racist to many people.

All that said, I am willing to trim the citations down to just those that quote Dep. Youngstrom as to facts of the case he believes to be true based on his observations and investigations, since he gave those quotes to no other media outlet, and any supporting the segment's actual airing. But not till later today, after I have had a good night's sleep. Daniel Case (talk) 07:52, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I have done what I said I would above. If this cannot be added to the queue for the date requested, I request that the date be adjusted to March 11, to coincide with the 30th anniversary of the bodies' discovery; I will rewrite the hooks appropriately.

Actually, that might work in our favor. It might be enough time to request copies of the police reports from the Charles Mix County Sheriff's Department, so I can cite them instead since, apparently, Unsolved Mysteries is such an untrustworthy source that we cannot trust even quoted material from on-camera interviews where the speakers are clearly identified. Daniel Case (talk) 06:26, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Theleekycauldron: Done Yes, and I've done that. Do you want to hold it for March 11? Daniel Case (talk) 03:45, 17 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Considering March 11 is over six weeks from either the nomination date or the request date, you will need to request at WT:DYK if you really want that date; otherwise, I'd suggest this just run as a regular hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:16, 19 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Fine, I will do that then. Give me a chance to redo the hooks slightly, obviously. Daniel Case (talk) 04:09, 20 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Done Daniel Case (talk) 19:47, 21 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol confirmed.svg looks good to me! We'll see how the special occasion request turns out. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 12:31, 22 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on December 3[edit]

Piano Concerto (Reger)

Frieda Kwast-Hodapp
Frieda Kwast-Hodapp

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 20:37, 3 December 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg

New enough (5x on December 3), long enough, properly sourced, and otherwise free of relevant issues. Hook (which I trimmed)

is cited and interesting. Image properly licensed, appropriate and used in article.

Just need QPQ. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 05:44, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you for the review! I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/C. S. N. Patnaik. You trimmed the hook a bit too much for my taste, - I therefore show both, for more transparency. It is common to give the key for compositions that travel under a generic title (and also: major or minor tells about the mood) and the Op. number, which reflects that it's a mature work. I tried to say that neutrally, - if we skip it, we may want to add something about as how monumental and challenging ... it has been described (but I'm no friend of the flowery critics' language). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:56, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Gerda Arendt, could you add an inline citation for "1970s"? --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 08:45, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That's what the sources say but now I found a YT from 1959, and by his father oh dear ... - I'll keep digging, YT is not a RS. - I found something else, - will ping you when used, and found more for the recording. - I want to work on an overdue RD article first. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:20, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Now I added a source about his father doing the first recording, and the son doing a famous performance at Carnegie Hall.
ALT1: ... that the Piano Concerto in F minor, Op. 114, by Max Reger, dedicated to Frieda Kwast-Hodapp (pictured) who played the premiere in Leipzig in 1910, was first recorded by the American pianist Rudolf Serkin in 1959?
I had to change both pianists' names, the lady because she seems to have used a double name. I found two more good sources, liner notes by Hyperion, with details about the background - composer promised her a concerto for years - and another review of the 2016 concert, by the New York Times. I'll expand later today or tomorrow, but you could could check for DYK already as it is. - The overdue RD was Christiane Hörbiger, and perhaps check the ITN nom. - I have a rehearsal today for a concert on Sunday, so will have to see how far I get. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:54, 6 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ALT1 is now 202 characters. I prefer trimming "F minor, Op. 114". Right now there are too many links and it is hard to understand because of too much information. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 00:37, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ALT2: ... that the Piano Concerto in F minor by Max Reger, dedicated to Frieda Kwast-Hodapp (pictured) who played the premiere in Leipzig in 1910, was first recorded by the American pianist Rudolf Serkin in 1959? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:20, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go with ALT2! --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 03:47, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Gerda Arendt and Coffeeandcrumbs: Symbol question.svg While the hook has an interesting core, I'd wager that it still has far too much information to parse for most readers. Normally, this is something I would simply take care of in prep, but I'll extend the courtesy of floating my version here instead. Every piece has at least one key, as well as at least one composer. We've also tried the "first recorded much later" angle several times; it doesn't seem to be very catchy. How about:

theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 14:14, 14 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If Gerda Arendt is in agreement, I would want to see the name of the composer put back in, "in 1910" moved to right after "premiered", and the quotation marks removed from Piano Concerto as that is not how untitled compositions are written. @theleekycauldron
--- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 15:31, 14 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay, I'm willing to work with that :) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 21:18, 14 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • ALT3a: ... that in 1910, Frieda Kwast-Hodapp (pictured) premiered Max Reger's Piano Concerto, which was dedicated to her?
    Sorry, that's way to common that a work is dedicated to the first performer to be of interest. That a German work is first recorded by an American is unusual, and several sources remember that first recording even if about other recordings or performances: 1) "The soloist, Peter Serkin, however was stellar throughout and played thrillingly in what was also a poetic continuation of his late father’s work. Rudolf Serkin took on Reger’s F minor concerto for a 1959 recording with conductor Eugene Ormandy and the Philadelphia Orchestra." (2016), 2) "This was for a long time the property of Busch’s son-in-law, Rudolf Serkin, insofar as it was anyone’s. His CBS recording of it was really the only way one could hear it." (2006), 3) Rudolf Serkin was a strong advocate of the Piano Concerto (Sony should prepare a new transfer of his CBS recording ..." (1998). It's a legendary recording worth telling the world. Those readers for whom it would be too much could just look at the pic. - Thank you for the courtesy to discuss. - I was out. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:51, 14 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Trying to please:
    ALT2... that the 1910 Piano Concerto by Max Reger was first played by Frieda Kwast-Hodapp (pictured), and first recorded by the American pianist Rudolf Serkin in 1959? But why we would drop the minor key, the dedication and Leipzig I don't know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:59, 14 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Since this nomination has been stuck for a while, I'll have to say that I don't think ALT2 meets the broad intriguingness criterion. It's reliant on specialist knowledge like knowing who Reger/Kwast-Hodapp/Serkin are, or why them performing it is a big deal. If I were to suggest an angle, I suppose one involving the manuscript being destroyed but a dedication being known could work. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:46, 19 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Another possible angle, although it would require some changes to the article (One possible source to support this angle I found is [8], with a possible alternative source being [9])
ALT4 ... that in the dedication page of his Piano Concerto, Max Reger refers to himself as "The Chief Pig"?
Personally I don't think this would be considered a negative hook since the "Chief Pig" wording seems to have come from Reger himself, at least according to the sources I read. However, I can't seem to confirm for sure if the phrase came from Reger or from Kwast (as what is apparently suggested by [10]). Some sources also say "Head Beast" rather than "The Chief Pig"; I don't have access to the original German so I don't know what the actual wording is. Courtesy pings to Coffeeandcrumbs and Theleekycauldron. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:31, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am not interested in approving a hook the creator doesn't like. I am happy to review this hook, if Gerda Arendt likes it. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 06:36, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(edit conflict) For reference, here are the quotes in question that discuss the "Chief Pig"/"Head Beast" angle:
  • The Irish Times: Reger knew the piece would meet resistance for years (it was savaged at its premiere), and inscribed a copy to Frieda Kwast-Hodapp, who commented: “This beastly stuff belongs to Frau Kwast. The Chief Pig, Max Reger, confirms it.”
  • Hyperion: The autograph manuscript was lost when Bote & Bock’s Berlin headquarters were destroyed in 1943, but it apparently bore a characteristic inscription to Frieda Kwast-Hodapp: ‘This beastly stuff belongs to Frau Kwast. The Chief Pig, Max Reger, confirms it.’ (Note: an Academia.edu link also says the same thing)
  • Boston Symphony Orchestra 1994: "He struggled through an early concerto in F minor intended for Eugene d'Albert — reputedly through four complete drafts — before giving it up as a lost cause, destroying the score, and sending the title page of the manuscript to pianist Frieda Kwast-Hodapp with the inscription "An unfortunate piano concerto," to which he added the note, "This beastly thing belongs to Frau Kwast, as affirmed by the Head Beast Max Reger."
  • American Symphony Orchestra: The autograph score, which was destroyed when the offices of Reger’s publisher were bombed in 1943, is said to have included a characteristically heavy-handed dedication: “This beastly stuff belongs to Frau Kwast. The Chief Pig, Max Reger.”
Three out of the four sources above suggest that "Head Beast"/"Chief Pig" both came from Reger himself, only one apparently suggests that it came from someone else. I've also made a slight change to ALT4 to instead say "supposedly" because that's what the sources are suggesting and the actual manuscript has been lost; for the same reason I've also added an alternative wording as ALT4a. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:45, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also, in response to the above comments, I'm still skeptical the other proposals meet the "intriguingness to a non-specialist audience" criterion, hence why I suggested an alternative here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:49, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Pageviews precedent would weigh against ALT4 as a hook (flashy titles don't do much), and ALT2 is pretty boring. Regardless, Coffeeandcrumbs, I can pretty much guarantee that Gerda's not springing for ALT4. Ain't no way. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 06:45, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(edit conflict) @Theleekycauldron: Do you have any possible alternative hook suggestions then? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:50, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Already said my piece. ALT3a is workable, everything else isn't. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 06:56, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Gerda already stated that she doesn't like ALT3a either so it's a non-starter. Either Gerda will have to agree with ALT4 or some variant, or a totally new angle different from ALTs 0-4 will be needed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:59, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ALT4a is an insult. It misses that we talk about an underrated masterpiece, and only speaks about the composer's strange way of humour, and the humour lost in translation. But I'm used to DYK not wanting to pass valuable information any more. - Why would a hook about the first performer rely on knowledge about her? When she is pictured?? We seem to underrate the curiosity of our readers to learn what they don't know. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:59, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The way I see it, you will have to agree to a hook as the nomination will be closed as successful if no agreement about a hook can be reached. ALTs 0 to 3 and their variants above are essentially non-starters for reasons stated above. If you don't like ALT4, you will need to propose a completely new angle here, or you will need to accept the nomination be closed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:06, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Giving a few more shots at proposing non-specialist hooks since ALTs 0-4 are non-starters:
ALT5 ... that Max Reger's Piano Concerto is considered to be difficult to play and is rarely performed or recorded?
ALT6 ... that Markus Becker's 2017 recording of Max Reger's Piano Concerto won him the Opus Klassik for the best concerto recording from the 19th century?
ALT7 ... that although Max Reger's Piano Concerto was first composed in 1910, it was not recorded until 1959?
I'm no longer suggesting hooks involving review quotes as, with a few notable exceptions, they have tended to underperform with our readership.
I also have some questions about the article content itself. Firstly, the article mentions Serkin's performance of the piece as "a poetic continuation of his late father’s work"; however, it does not clarify who is the "he" being referred to here and who is this late father: is the he Serkin or Botstein? In addition, I think parts of the article, particularly the "Structure and music" and "Performance and recording" sections, may need to be copyedited as I'm not sure if the wording is exactly neutral (notably the quote but also exposed the extreme sensitivity and beauty of the second movement). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:54, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for not giving up. ALT5 looks less promising than ALT6 and ALT7 because "rarely" is relative - compared to what, and in whose eyes? ALT6 misses when the concerto was composed - we can't assume people to know when Reger lived - and it has the topic rather late. ALT7 is acceptable but why miss that this very German concerto was first recorded by an American? Especially on the English Wikipedia? Which takes us back to ALT2, and its offer of an attractive image of a woman. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:47, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Theleekycauldron already objected to ALT2 above, and I agree with her that the hook will not intrigue readers who are less well-versed in the realm of classical music. I'm opposed to extending ALT7 further as time and time again has shown that adding too many extra details to hooks would drive away readership. I understand that clicks aren't everything, but statistics have shown that classical music hooks are consistently at the bottom of the view statistics, and multiple editors have observed that extremely detailed and meandering hooks rather the hooks getting straight to the point is a major factor in this. As a music fan myself, I also do not necessarily find it intriguing or unusual at this point anymore that music composed in one country is recorded in another country, even if it was the first recording. Artists recording music composed abroad is by itself no longer unusual since it happens all the time, even outside the realm of classical music. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:14, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Gerda Arendt, can we go with ALT7? --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 03:30, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Short version; yes.
I said yes before,
Longer version: yes but why couldn't we say the part (ALT7) for the mainstream, and add something for the specialist also?
Long version: see you later, DYK. A DYK project only addressing the mainstream interests - so censored in a way - is not for me. I doubt that it is good for the readers. In resilience to that trend, Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:27, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Narutolovehinata5, you know there is a version of ALT7 that would make Gerda Arendt very happy. A version that starts with "although German composer Max Reger" and ends with "1959 by American Rudolf Serkin". What is a few more characters to make the creator happy. Would you mind suggesting it? Then I can approve ALT7 and ALT7a to let the promoter pick. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 15:18, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm open to mentioning that Reger is German but I do not think the mention of Serkin is necessary. As I mentioned above, I think adding too many details would just drive readership away instead of attracting them. I also do not think the mention would add to the hook's intriguingness anyway for reasons I've already mentioned. Here's ALT7a regardless:
ALT7a ... that although German composer Max Reger's Piano Concerto was first composed in 1910, it was not recorded until 1959?
Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:25, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol confirmed.svg, good to go with either ALT7 and ALT7a. I even thinking adding "by American Rudolf Serkin" at the end works well and adds more intriguingness without making the hook too verbose. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 16:28, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol question.svg @Coffeeandcrumbs: Actually, I do have some concerns about the tone of the article, which I elaborated on above earlier in the discussion. Maybe those aspects could be reworded/rewritten before this is approved? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:57, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
One of the concerns was that you think the reader will have forgotten by the time that Peter Serkin is mentioned, that Rudolf Serkin had been named in the previous para as the one who played the first recording. Please suggest a way to say so that doesn't insult the reader, because I can't find one. The critic's quote about the second movement is clearly marked as such, and is not in the neutral music section but from a review of a recording. What would you need? Perhaps listen to the movement? I did, and agree with the reviewer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:11, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on December 24[edit]

Melissa Ong

Selfie of Ong, commonly replicated by the Step Chickens
Selfie of Ong, commonly replicated by the Step Chickens
  • ... that "Step Chickens" on TikTok replace their profile pictures with an image (shown) of Melissa Ong, whom they call "Mother Hen"?
    • Reviewed: r/antiwork
    • Comment: Image is still in the process of obtaining permission, so please hold until it is :)

Created by Theleekycauldron (talk). Self-nominated at 12:58, 24 December 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

[11] this seems like a good source to add in if you fancy KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 19:41, 24 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol question.svg My main concern is that the prose is not "tight" enuf. This reads too much like a puff piece with many superfluous "facts" about her and her "cult". I'm sure she's notable (although I find that bewildering...) but the article could use some trimming while the image is waiting to be cleared. KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 19:53, 24 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Kingoflettuce: argh! that's what happens when the sources get granular on silly things. I've done some culling – possibly take a look and point out any puffery that remains? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 23:00, 24 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol question.svg Will give it the holy tick once the image clears. Otherwise the article is new and long enough, with an interesting hook that's appropriately referenced. No evidence of copyvio. I would recommend removing the "(shown on the right)" for the benefit of mobile users, but that's about it. Merry Christmas! KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 12:16, 25 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Theleekycauldron: The image seems to have been deleted. Do you wish to proceed without it anyway? BorgQueen (talk) 14:01, 4 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@BorgQueen: No, thank you, I'm fairly sure I'd rather wait. I'm in contact with the creator, waiting on her to do the necessary stuff to release the image. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 19:42, 4 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I shall reach out one more time – we'll proceed without the image if it's not released within a week or so. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 22:34, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Kingoflettuce: Image has cleared! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 08:19, 27 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@BorgQueen: Kol's been inactive for a few days, wanna give this the holy tick? You can just tick per him. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 21:24, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol confirmed.svg Sure thing. But then I can't promote it now... lol BorgQueen (talk) 21:29, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
d'oh :) it is what it is. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 21:30, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Old-Fashioned Cupcake

Created by Lullabying (talk). Self-nominated at 19:06, 27 December 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - Personally, I'd prefer to see the term yaoi used directly, rather than boys' love, which — especially for a work where the protagonists are clearly adults — feels inappropriate.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Everything is sourced fine except the plot section, which does not need inline references per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Writing about fiction#Plot summaries of individual works. Please use {{lang}} within Template:Graphic novel list to apply language tagging to the original titles of the manga. Consider rewording the hook to use yaoi rather than BL. Good work! OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 09:55, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @OwenBlacker: Thanks for the review, but I fail to see what the problem is with using "boys' love." It's what all the Japanese-language sources use and the genre itself doesn't have a specific age limit for its characters or readership. lullabying (talk) 22:50, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Symbol voting keep.svg Referring to what reliable sources call it is fine. Approving. SL93 (talk) 07:22, 20 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol question.svg I'm afraid the hook falls rather flat for me. It's a neat fact, but it's not very hooky – I'm not reading that and wanting to know more about the article. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 02:53, 26 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol confirmed.svg Good for you I guess. Re-approving. SL93 (talk) 03:08, 26 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol question.svg Disclaimer: I came to this discussion after seeing a WT:DYK discussion about this nomination, although my comments and thoughts are my own.
I do agree that the hook could be better. For one thing, I'm not much of a fan of how the hook is currently written as it seems to be more about Takeda rather than Cupcake itself. I am not totally opposed to a hook focusing on Takeda instead of Cupcake (I've admittedly done similar hooks in the past myself), but if focusing on Takeda is desired, I don't think the current hook wording is the best option. It seems to rely on specialist knowledge, particularly knowing the relationship between this series and boy's love works. If we do want to focus on Takeda rather than Cupcake specifically, I think a hook about this particular part: Kimura prepared for his role by doing muscle training at a gym, and he also stated that, during filming, he had to eat pancakes and drink coffee while talking for eight hours, even on a full stomach. is actually a better angle than "he got interested in this because his co-stars worked on similar projects". I understand this angle would mean that the mention of boy's love would have to be dropped, but I personally think that it would be a more intriguing hook overall than the original proposal.
@SL93: I should note that two editors have already objected against the original hook, and if you include me as a third objection, that means approving it would mean going against consensus. Courtesy pings to OwenBlacker and Lullabying regarding the above concerns. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:53, 26 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have no intention to break consensus, which is something that I have sometimes been annoyed at theleekycauldron about. SL93 (talk) 04:57, 26 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To be clear, the use of the term "boy love" was not the rationale for me not approving straight-off — hence "consider". I don't particularly like the term personally — not least, I'm a queer man and accusations of pædophilia have long been directed at queer people as homophobic invective. It is a term of art and I can live with it, I just think using the term yaoi is preferable. Had there not been a need to add {{lang}} as well, i would have approved with the same "consider…" comment.
Personally, i like the existing hook — that a popular actor only became interested in performing in queer art after talking with other (presumably cis-het) artists struck me as interesting.
Given the language-tagging is in place now, I would be happy to approve; I'm sorry I didn't see that that was the case sooner — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 08:16, 26 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Lullabying, SL93, and Narutolovehinata5:
@OwenBlacker: Do you have other suggestions for a new hook? You and SL93 are fine with the current hook but Leeky and I have concerns, so it doesn't seem like there will be consensus anyway to go with the original hook unless some form of compromise can be reached. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:21, 26 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Not off-hand, but I can give it some thought later, after my working day. What is it about the original hook that you dislike; is there room for compromise there or do we need to work with Lullabying to find a different fact to excerpt? — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 10:09, 26 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@OwenBlacker: I'd personally prefer a different hook fact altogether, although I'm not opposed to a rewording of the original. My original concern was that the original hook seemed reliant on specialist knowledge, specifically what boys love is. I also had some minor reservations since the hook seemed to focus less on Cupcake and more about Takeda, but I'm not against totally against the idea and I think a Takeda-centric hook could work albeit with a different angle (I gave a possible suggestion above). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:16, 26 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ALT0a ... that actor Kouhei Takeda was interested in starring in the boys' love television drama Old-Fashioned Cupcake because his co-stars from Kamen Rider Build also starred in similar shows?
ALT1 ... that actor Tatsunari Kimura prepared for his role in the television drama Old-Fashioned Cupcake by doing muscle training at a gym?
ALT1a ... that one main cast member of the television drama Old-Fashioned Cupcake prepared for his role by doing muscle training at a gym?
ALT2 ... that actor Tatsunari Kimura once ate pancakes and drank coffee while talking for eight hours during the filming of the television drama Old-Fashioned Cupcake?
ALT2a ... that a main cast member of the television drama Old-Fashioned Cupcake once ate pancakes and drank coffee while talking for eight hours during filming?
I understand ALT0a is basically a re-wording of the original, but I hoped to give the hook additional context for the benefit of non-specialists. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:17, 27 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for giving this more thought, Narutolovehinata5; that's very helpful. My first impressions are that this ALT2 feels a bit "wtf?!" clickbaity, so it might work better with a little more context perhaps and ALT1 doesn't feel very remarkable (surely many actors prepare for roles in the gym?), but I'm happy with any of those. (I still prefer the term yaoi over BL, but I won't block approval over it.) — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 09:30, 27 January 2023 (UTC)4Reply[reply]
@OwenBlacker: Thank you for the response. I guess we should wait now for a response from the others before a final choice in hook is made? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:31, 27 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I'm fine with the new ALTs, but the actor mentioned in ALT1 and ALT2 is Tatsunari Kimura, not Kouhei Takeda. lullabying (talk) 01:03, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've also added alternative versions of ALT1 and 2 in case the "don't mention people who don't have articles by name in hooks" thing still applies. Unless, of course, Lullabying would be willing to write him up an article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:17, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think, while I gather my thoughts, it would probably be best for me to stay off this page. SL93'll know what to do. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 03:44, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@SL93: Are you okay with ALT0a/ALT1/ALT1a/ALT2/ALT2a? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:58, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on December 31[edit]

Niwar (cotton tape)

Created by RAJIVVASUDEV (talk). Self-nominated at 13:37, 31 December 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • General eligibility:
  • New Enough: Red XN - The article was not expanded 5x; it looks like it's just under 4x
  • Long Enough: Green tickY
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - As is, the hook doesn't sound particularly interesting. I would rewrite the hook to generate interest.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol delete vote.svg As it stands, the article is not eligible for DYK. To qualify for DYK, the article should be at least 15,215 bytes in size (using the article's size based on the edit before expansion, 3,043 bytes, as the basis for this computation); the article is currently at 11,942 bytes. --Sky Harbor (talk) 15:00, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Symbol question.svg Sky Harbor, DYK measures prose characters, not bytes. According to DYK check, which is the gold standard for DYK size checks, this article had 3810 prose characters as of when you reviewed it, and Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 65 edits ago on December 28, 2022, which was three days before. Indeed, the nominator notes this in their nomination. (Prior to the expansion, it had 530 prose characters, so only 2650 prose characters were needed to qualify.) It appears that RAJIVVASUDEV needs to create a new hook; what they don't need to do, although it is welcome, is to further expand the article for DYK purposes. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:24, 14 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

BlueMoonset, Sky Harbor, thanks for your reconsideration. Kindly check the ALT1 if it suits. Regards RV (talk) 05:30, 15 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol confirmed.svg The hook does seem better, so I think this is good to go with ALT1. --Sky Harbor (talk) 18:35, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol question.svg Sky Harbor, RAJIVVASUDEV, I have some concerns about ALT1. The first is the "cotton tape" assertion, as the article makes it clear that Niwar is a type of tape or ribbon that is now manufactured using materials such as cotton, polyester, and nylon, not just cotton alone as the hook states, even if it may originally have only been made from cotton. Further, while some Niwar has historically been produced by prisoners, the article says was produced in various parts of India by cottage industries and also in jail industries, so not ever only by prisoners. The hook needs to be more accurate if it's to run. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:58, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Sky Harbor, BlueMoonset, ALT2 added. Thanks RV (talk) 08:34, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
RV, I'm afraid that ALT2 is also problematic: it is saying that the niwar bed, according to Sikhism, is both superior and the bed itself "attributes life's injustices to man's acts, not God's caprice", which seems unlikely. The words in quotes are nearly identical to the header immediately before XVI in Macauliffe's The Sikh Religion, and might be better as a direct quote and a better attribution, as these are from the writings of Kabir—based on what I'm seeing in the entire section, each header before the subsection numbers seems to be a brief explanation of what the section is conveying to the reader. The connection in the article is also not obvious between the niwar bed and the rest of it, just that the bed is used, along with silk and satin, as an example of luxuries that the gods might give to someone while others have not even a ragged coat or any bed, with the underlying thought that it all goes away when one dies. I'm not clear where those pre-number header lines come from: are these Macauliffe's summation, or a summary or header in the original Kabir? Finally, "niwar" is not a proper noun as best I can determine from the sources, and should not be capitalized in the hooks or in the text of the article, except as the first word in a sentence; I have adjusted the article accordingly, lowercasing a number of non-proper nouns. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:31, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@BlueMoonset Thanks, Kindly check ALT3 and ALT4. Regards RV (talk) 09:17, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@RAJIVVASUDEV and BlueMoonset: I've removed the bit about life's inequality and God's caprice from the article, so I've struck ALT3 and ALT4 as no longer usable. Also, some parts of the article are poorly sourced, eg. the "Present" section is sourced to raw export data and the third paragraph of the "Applications" section is sourced to invitations to tender. There may be close paraphrasing issues; compare the passage beginning "In 1956, approximately 215 units..." with this source (p. 147, 2nd paragraph). I'm not sure if this is a problem – the source may be public domain, or this may be a permissible WP:LIMITED exeption – but flagging it just in case. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 17:54, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Sojourner in the earth and BlueMoonset: After copy editing as per the given comments, ALT5 has been added. Please advise. Thanks RV (talk) 19:12, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Note that there are two bare URLs (currently references 11 and 26) that will have to be filled in before the article can be approved. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:43, 25 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@BlueMoonset: It is sorted. Thanks RV (talk) 04:18, 25 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on January 2[edit]

Yogie Suardi Memet

Moved to mainspace by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 04:43, 2 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited: Green tickY - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol voting keep.svg All good. Done a bit of editing on the spelling of the names. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 04:54, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on January 4[edit]

Northeastern Army

Chiang Kai-shek and Northeastern General Zhang Xueliang
Chiang Kai-shek and Northeastern General Zhang Xueliang

5x expanded by SilverStar54 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:09, 8 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg @SilverStar54: Good article. However

  • "In early 1927, the forces of the NPA engaged the National Revolutionary Army (NRA) in Henan and Jiangsu." Needs a citation
  • "and on 17 October, Yu Zhishan surrendered Eastern Liaoning to the Japanese." Needs a citation
  • Other notable commanders list should probably be cited.

If you can fix that then I'll pass. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:02, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hopefully this is the right spot to respond (first time in the DYK process), but thank you for the quick review. I've revised the article to add sources (or remove unsourced material) where you requested. Let me know if there's any further steps I should take. SilverStar54 (talk) 07:46, 10 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol voting keep.svg Forgot to promote. Hope to see more expansions about the warlord era. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:24, 19 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@SilverStar54: Symbol question.svg could you point as to where in the article we're going with "kidnapping", rather than detainment? Also, where could I find the bit about convincing him to join the second united front? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 09:13, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Theleekycauldron: I feel that either term could be used to describe the events, I chose "kidnapping" just because it's more eye-catching for a hook. Do you feel like that's too much of a creative liberty? About the Second United Front, thank you for pointing that out. I describe it, but I never actually included a link to the Second United Front in that section (fixed now). It's what I'm describing in these two sentences: "By the end of the negotiations, Chiang had verbally promised to end the civil war, to resist the Japanese together, and to invite Zhou to Nanjing for further talks. Although he publicly renounced his promises after being released, he quietly followed through on them over the following months." I think that more detail about the Second United Front would be tangential to the article, but I could add more about the negotiations.

SilverStar54 (talk) 20:19, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@SilverStar54: I'd say that "kidnapping" probably has connotations we couldn't back up, but I could be wrong. When you say "join the Second United Front", you don't mean as a card-carrying member? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 03:42, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Theleekycauldron: I guess I feel that "kidnapping" connotates illegally seizing a person, whereas "detaining" implies a legal or official action, such as by the police. This was done by an army, but their actions were perceived as illegal (at least by the Nanjing government). Perhaps "took hostage" works better?
I'm a bit confused by what you mean by "as a card-carrying member". The Second United Front wasn't a political party that you could be a member of, it was just an alliance between the CCP and the KMT to resist the Japanese. Chiang denied that he was bound by his verbal promise to create such an alliance after he was released, but gradually eased hostilities and eventually did sign an official alliance with the Communists after six months of continued negotiations. For political reasons the KMT framed this as a "surrender" by the CCP, but in reality it was an alliance. I'll try to rewrite that section to make it more clear. SilverStar54 (talk) 05:58, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on January 7[edit]

Dean Huijsen

Created by Dr Salvus (talk) and Oltrepier (talk). Nominated by Dr Salvus (talk) at 21:47, 12 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General eligibility:

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg QPQ satisfied. Random copyvio check found nothing, nor has Earwig flagged anything. Page is long and reasonably well written. Nominated on the 12th, making it eligible for new page creation. The hook shouldn't be this compound. Keep each fact to its own discrete lead. Change the 'Juventus U17' fact to an ALT lead.

Sourcing needs to be more granular, which should be solved by splitting the lead into 2. It's difficult to follow what source goes to which claim. Is Juventus II synonymous with Juventus U19? Pinging @Dr Salvus: and @Oltrepier:, I assume this is a co-nom. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 00:21, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Etriusus: Hello! Sorry for replying just now, this came a bit out of the blue for me. Yes, I confirm the co-nom and I'm happy to give my input, as well. Before I start, I wanted to clarify that this is my second ever DYK nomination - Valentín Carboni being the first one. I think it's not a problem for QPQ anyway, but still.
Right, first of all, I realized that the hook's first half is actually incorrect: according to the Dutch source mentioned, Huijsen scored seven goals for Juventus' U17 team, and I'm not sure about the number of games he played for them, either. This could be a blessing in disguise, though, as we need to rephrase the hook anyway.
I think this could be a good compromise:

ALT1 ... that Dutch centre-back Dean Huijsen went from scoring seven goals in one season for Juventus' under-17 squad, to playing for their professional reserve team in just half a year?

This way, the aforementioned nos.nl link would cover the first half, while the Italian citation would refer to the second claim (we could replace this last link with another one, though, just to have an even more reliable source to pick a reference from).
On a side note, I would exclude the Worldfootball link entirely, at this point, because it likely creates more confusion than clarity in this context (there, Juventus II is synonymous with Juventus Next Gen, the club's reserve team).
I hope I've articulated myself well enough... Let me know what you think about it! Oltrepier (talk) 11:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Etriusus: My bad, I forgot to mention: all of the citations used here - including the one I've proposed myself - are already present on the original article, so we should be alright from that point of view. Anyway, thank you for taking the time to review this. Oltrepier (talk) 11:29, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Oltrepier: The sourcing is fine, but it doesn't address the fundamental issue that the hook is too long and too compound for the purposes of DYK. I am going to stand by my statement that the lead should be broken up. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 03:01, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ALT1 is fine by me, Etriusus and Oltrepier. The hook has 177 characters, so no issues. Dr Salvus 17:07, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I altered it so that the 'alt 1' hook by Oltrepier is the main hook. I didn't realize that it was a revision at first, I thought Oltrepier was proposing another hook!!! Passing. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 17:37, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol question.svg provided QPQ is invalid, as it does not link to a full review with respect to the DYK criteria. 01:27, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

@Etriusus: Whoops, sorry, I didn't notice your previous message... Yes, I just wanted to trim the original hook a bit more, and actually, we could even take off "Dutch centre-back", since that part might be redundant. Dr Salvus, did you mean to link this review? Oltrepier (talk) 13:51, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Theleekycauldron:, would QPQ be required for a co-nom where the one user doesn't yet have 5 DYKs? I'll revert my passing for now since Oltrepier wants to rework the hook. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 14:30, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Etriusus: No big deal, actually! Like I said, ALT2 would just take off two words from ALT1:
"... that Dean Huijsen went from scoring seven goals in one season for Juventus' under-17 squad, to playing for their professional reserve team in just half a year?"
So, I would just remove that specification to Huijsen's position on the pitch, since we added that detail to the article itself. Oltrepier (talk) 14:46, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Etriusus: a QPQ credit is required whenever the nominator has over five prior nominations – we don't really care about the status of co-noms, nor how many of those noms are successful. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 21:27, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A full review has now been given. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 23:59, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Alright, now it can be passed. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 05:08, 21 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Etriusus: @Theleekycauldron: Thank you for your help! Oltrepier (talk) 13:29, 20 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ida Ospelt-Amann

Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Self-nominated at 13:20, 7 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg I assume good faith on the references. I added "the" to the hook. SL93 (talk) 04:30, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Lajmmoore and SL93: Symbol question.svg From an outsider's perspective, I'm not sure that I'm seeing much in this hook. She's writing her poems exclusively in a dialect that is spoken across her country, and particularly in the area in which she worked? It doesn't seem like there's that great a payoff in here, although her work is definitely important. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 09:25, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks very much theleekycauldron - it's always good to be pressed on hookiness. How about:
ALT1: ... that Liechtensteiner poet Ida Ospelt-Amann collected proverbs for Liechtenstein National Museum? Source: "Liechtensteinischen Landesmuseums, und Ida Ospelt-Amann sammeln Sprichwörter und Redewendungen." https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QYEccgAACAAJ&newbks=0&hl=en&redir_esc=y is the ref & you can access the book here https://www.eliechtensteinensia.li/viewer/image/000468127/80/LOG_0014/
If other people can see a hookier hook than me, it would be great to see other suggestions Lajmmoore (talk) 18:22, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hmm. What makes a hook hooky, in my opinion, is its ability to make the reader ask questions about the topic. This is certainly a neat fact, but I don't think it quite has that curved point at the end of it. This article doesn't look like it offers up so much in terms of hooks, so I would love to hear what other people have to offer. ALT0 might be the best we've got, but I don't really want to go with it... theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 21:04, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
hi Theleekycauldron, I do know what you mean! I'm struggling to find that uplift though - I've been trying to find more sources, but there's not much to add that might make anything hookier. Lajmmoore (talk) 12:45, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on January 8[edit]

Appa Jalgaonkar

Moved to mainspace by DaxServer (talk). Self-nominated at 10:40, 8 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Before a more formal review, and waiting until the maintenance tags have been removed,
  • Does "eminent" (2 locations) and "renowned" need to be written?
  • The quote would be better inline. In general where headers can be reduced it would be advisable to create readable prose as compared to single line headers. Though some of the headers are understandable and useful despite the section size.
  • There is an ISBN missing template; if the original version is cited then it wouldn't have an ISBN.
  • Are there any other Indian-language sources available to help expand the article?
Hey FacetsOfNonStickPans! Thanks for the comments.
  • I've toned down to a more neutral word "prominent". I've retained the eminent in the lead first sentence. Let me know what you think of it.
  • Quote moved to inline. I'm not sure where the "Teaching" section can merged to, any ideas?
  • I found the book, let me find the page number. (Why didn't I think of it 😅)
  • I'm afraid I couldn't find sources in Marathi, but then again I don't speak it and thus limited to English sources
Looking forward for more inputs — DaxServer (t · m · c) 12:28, 10 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yikes, the book doesn't have an ISBN here either — DaxServer (t · m · c) 15:11, 10 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
DaxServer, just a short reply to the ISBN issue. The book version you are seeing is from a time when they didn't have ISBNs. It doesn't matter where it is online. There are newer versions with ISBNs. It took me a long time to figure this out when I first came across this in other old books. It is a rather interesting tidbit/curio, a gem of a one really. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 13:38, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah I see, thanks for sharing the info, it's invaluable :) I don't have access to any new versions. Can I remove the ISBN missing template or do you have other suggestions? — DaxServer (t · m · c) 14:28, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Reviewing...FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 19:08, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol possible vote.svg, article is new, long enough. There is no copyvio, there are two quotes, and some short phrases, whose usage doesn't seem to raise any direct close paraphrasing concern however it could be better. This particular paraphrasing needs close attention: Did he start to play the harmonium only after he lost his voice, or, was he learning the harmonium before his voice change (maybe with other instruments, we don't know), and following the voice change, he focused on the harmonium more, going on to specialize in it. You have paraphrased it to mean to former. The article uses these two citations TIE, TOI for the line, He later started learning to play harmonium.
  • The hook is cited. (Voice change in the voice/music area is a big thing.) Here is a shorter version, however the longer ALT0 reads better,
  • Basic maintenance tags need to be sorted out by the editor. A number of them, along with associated content, can simply be removed to save time if researching it takes too long. Since the article is now listed there isn't really a definite time frame. Article specifics are out of the bounds a DYK review and need to be taken to the talk page. QPQ not required. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 18:15, 14 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Thanks for the review. Actually QPQ is required, I completely forgot about it. I'll do it on Monday and go thru your review on Monday as well — DaxServer (t · m · c) 00:09, 15 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @FacetsOfNonStickPans: QPQ done. I've changed the Harmonium phrase to "he later focused on learning to play harmonium and specialized in it" as suggested. I'm adding the links to voice change in the ALTs:
    DaxServer (t · m · c) 11:30, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Symbol confirmed.svg gtg FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 17:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @DaxServer: Symbol question.svg the hook might be hedged, but the lead of the article basically spells out but-for causation – could we align the two? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 09:29, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Theleekycauldron: Let me know how this looks like? Do you have other suggestions? — DaxServer (t · m · c) 10:26, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • @DaxServer: I guess what I'm confused about would be: do we know that puberty was the but-for cause of the switch, or was that only one factor, or was it completely coincidental? And sourcing would be appreciated. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 21:09, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      @Theleekycauldron: I think I understand now what you meant. So, according to the source from The Indian Express, he stopped taking singing lessons due to voice crack because of puberty and only then started playing harmonium. We actually do not know if he already started learning it before, but from the source we could determine he shifted his focus to harmonium. Puberty voice cracking is the absolute cause for stopping singing lessons. This is actually my original hook at the top. I guess FacetsOfNonStickPans further simplified it and created ALT1 and ALT2. I'd say the original ALT0 is the closest one that reflects the source. Would you recommend striking off ALT1 and 2? Also, in the article I didn't cite the lead as its already cited in the body — DaxServer (t · m · c) 21:57, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      I'd probably just write a hook to that effect – "stopped singing due to puberty, subsequently picking up the..." theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 03:43, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Theleekycauldron: As you suggested — DaxServer (t · m · c) 14:13, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Kalle Rovanperä

Improved to Good Article status by Teevee (talk). Nominated by Unnamelessness (talk) at 01:38, 9 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Hi Unnamelessness (talk), welcome to DYK, review follows: article promoted to GA on 8 January; article is well written and cited inline throughout to what look to be reliable sources for the subject (not an expert on rallying); I didn't find any issues with overly close paraphrasing in a spotcheck on sources and Earwig was clear; hooks are interesting, mentioned in the article and check out to sources cited; a QPQ is not required. Looks good to go. My only criticism is that I don't think the number of stage wins and podiums stated in the infobox is verifiable from the information in the article and so should be cited, but it's not big enough to hold approval up over - Dumelow (talk) 18:30, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the review, Dumelow (talk). A source is cited at the bottom of the infobox to complete the final jigsaw. Unnamelessness (talk) 01:19, 10 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Dumelow and Unnamelessness: Symbol question.svg could the hook be reworded so that possible future record usurpers don't make this hook untrue? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 09:31, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
theleekycauldron (talk), added "as of". Unnamelessness (talk) 09:57, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Adding ALT. Unnamelessness (talk) 10:02, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol confirmed.svg I don't know much about rallying but for ALT0 presumably the 2022 season is still ongoing; would it be possible for someone to break the record this season? I prefer ALT1 with the actual dates anyway and happy to approve that - Dumelow (talk) 10:58, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on January 9[edit]

Wennington wildfire

Burned-out houses viewed after the fire
Burned-out houses viewed after the fire
  • ... that the Wennington wildfire (destroyed houses pictured) shows the danger posed by climate change? Source: ITV News (quoting Dr Rory Hadden, University of Edinburgh): "as the climate changes, the UK will be susceptible to these kinds of fires which can be extremely devastating...we should expect more and larger wildfires".

Created by Blythwood (talk) and Greyzxq (talk). Nominated by Blythwood (talk) at 00:59, 16 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Symbol confirmed.svg, promoted. Dr Salvus 21:23, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Dr Salvus: Symbol question.svg Per part c of the DYK reviewing requirements, an article can't be considered approved (not promoted, approved) until a full review is done with respect to the DYK criteria. If you're not sure how to get started on that, please see WP:DYKR. On another note, I'm quite uncomfortable with the fact that the hook is claiming narrative inference in wikivoice. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 01:26, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol possible vote.svg @Blythwood, Greyzxq, and Dr Salvus: New hook is needed. I do not think we can state in wikivoice, an opinion as a fact. Bruxton (talk) 16:51, 21 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK. I'm going to think about an alternative hook. Blythwood (talk) 15:41, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It has been a few days Blythwood just checking back. Bruxton (talk) 01:16, 26 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, apologies for delay, I've now added an alt hook and clearer sourcing. Blythwood (talk) 23:44, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Blythwood, Greyzxq, and Dr Salvus: I am concerned that our article is a POV push. The hooks and our article state that this fire is the result of global Warming. Nowhere in our article do we state the actual cause of the fire, which, "started when a compost heap “spontaneously combusted". I think as it is the article should not be promoted until it is neutral and complete. The hooks should also not push a theory. Of the articles on the topic, the ones that do not state the actual cause, use global warming or climate change as the reason for the fire. The articles that do state the cause - do not blame climate change. Our article should be neutral and state the actual cause. And I was looking for a hook that is written from WP:NPOV. Bruxton (talk) 15:18, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Bruxton, thanks for the message. The article always mentioned the compost heap spontaneously combusting (it's the second sentence of the "Events" section) but I agree that it was a little hard to find. I've moved it to the lead of the article using the Telegraph article you're recommending. It specifically quotes the Assistant Commissioner of the London Fire Brigade, "we are increasingly being challenged by new extremes of weather as our climate changes", I could add that to the article if you want an additional perspective. I've added an alt hook with less strong phrasing (changing "would" to "could"). Blythwood (talk) 18:56, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The hooks and our article blame the fire on climate change. But that is a theory and not based on empirical evidence. Isn't the compost pile more interesting and accurate? Otherwise we seem to be pushing this boogyman theory. Major media outlets also have an agenda when they concentrate on this idea, but the facts in evidence seem to be a compost pile, and it is not terribly rare for compost piles to spontaneously combust. Bruxton (talk) 20:14, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Paul Freeman (communist)

The Aerowagon
The Aerowagon

Moved to mainspace by ITBF (talk). Self-nominated at 07:42, 14 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg Looks good! Happy to pass. No concerns and comparison with sources doesn't reveal any close paraphrasing. I tracked down an image of his burial on the Kremlin wall and added it. Blythwood (talk) 00:58, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on January 10[edit]

Herbert Salvatierra

Improved to Good Article status by Krisgabwoosh (talk). Self-nominated at 23:08, 10 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Substantial article, meeting of GA critera implicates DYK pass. Article was nominated within 7 days of passing GA. Article is long enough, neutral, cited, and well-written. Hook is interesting, cited, and neutral; AGF on foreign language source. Earwigs just pings some long proper titles, but no copyvio or close paraphrasing. QPQ has been completed. Morgan695 (talk) 17:27, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on January 11[edit]


Created by Prosperosity (talk). Self-nominated at 22:46, 12 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Everything appears in working order and this is a great hook, but, unfortunately, the article is not new enough—created in 2015—so I'm afraid I have to reject it. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 19:32, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Prosperosity and Krisgabwoosh: The hook checks out, but it's a mouthful and you've possibly overexplained, so there's less of a reason to click. Can we try something shorter, like...
Other suggestions welcome. Think "catchy song lyric, catchy hook"... Cielquiparle (talk) 15:28, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Cielquiparle: I feel like this oversimplifies the hook to the point that it becomes generic. Any album can be nominated for an award, what makes this particularly interesting? Mentioning that the awards are from different countries (something like "... for both a Canadian Juno and New Zealand Aotearoa" award) could work but, eh, I still like the original. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 16:02, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree that awards are inherently boring; it's nicer when there's something more to say. Cielquiparle (talk) 16:44, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Cielquiparle: How about ALT0b: ... that Chickaboom! by country musician Tami Neilson was nominated for both a Canadian Juno and an New Zealand Aotearoa Music Award? Pretty much the same as the original alt with added country names, giving users a reason to click to find out why two different countries awarded her. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 17:23, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, @Krisgabwoosh: ALT0b is definitely an improvement over ALT0 and ALT0a, IMO. (I've struck ALT0a.) It also overcomes another issue with ALT0, which is that the article doesn't explicitly say that the reason she was nominated for both awards was because of her dual citizenship. (Yes, it's awfully picky I know – I get that it's "implied" – but it also requires some outside knowledge that isn't in the article, whereas in an article like Super Ballon d'Or, the winner's eligibility due to dual citizenship is very explicit.) Listening to the album now (it is great!!) and another thought I had was – is there any way to work in the word "rockabilly" into a hook...? Cielquiparle (talk) 21:25, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Cielquiparle:Is she a rockabilly singer? If so, just replace "country musician" with "rockabilly musician". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 02:10, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm happy for the changes but I'd strongly recommend against "New Zealand Aotearoa" - Aotearoa is the name of the country (and we only ever see the name listed in dual languages as "Aotearoa / New Zealand", so it looks very peculiar). --Prosperosity (talk) 02:31, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
How about ALT0c: ... that Chickaboom! by country musician Tami Neilson was nominated for both Canadian and New Zealand music awards? --Prosperosity (talk) 02:31, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That works for me. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 03:04, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol confirmed.svg ALT0c is the best so far. Thanks for workshopping. Cielquiparle (talk) 10:03, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on January 12[edit]

Will Ainsworth

5x expanded by Kafoxe (talk). Self-nominated at 21:58, 16 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol question.svg @Kafoxe: New enough and large enough expansion. This will be ready to go when QPQ is supplied. Ping me when a QPQ is supplied. Hook facts ALT0 and ALT1 check out. No textual issues. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 06:56, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Kafoxe: It has been a week since the nomination but a QPQ has yet to be supplied: please supply one soon if you still wish to pursue this nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:26, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Apologies for the delay, been busy. QPQ is now provided with my first review. :) Kafoxe (talk) 16:17, 26 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
        • Symbol confirmed.svg The necessary QPQ has been supplied. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 20:11, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sakhela Buhlungu

  • ... that Vice Chancellor Sakhela Buhlungu's anti-corruption efforts at the University of Fort Hare in South Africa lead to two failed assassination attempts? Source: " 'The suspects started firing gunshots at the driver. The vice-chancellor was not in the car. The suspects later escaped in their getaway vehicle. Police have registered a murder case for investigation,' said Kinana....
    "Buhlungu’s vision of a clean governance through clamping down on entrenched corruption and fraud at the embattled institution is believed to be one of the reasons for the latest incident. Last year police opened cases of attempted murder after gunmen fired shots at Buhlungu and a senior official’s home in March." [12]

5x expanded by Patar knight (talk) and Jono1011 (talk). Nominated by Patar knight (talk) at 08:18, 19 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg

  • DYK check says the article is still classified as a stub. Please give the article a non-stub rating and be sure to remove any remaining stub templates.
  • As observed by Metropolitan90, we should have Alt1: ... that Vice Chancellor Sakhela Buhlungu's anti-corruption efforts at the University of Fort Hare in South Africa led to two failed assassination attempts?
  • I will also suggest Alt2: ... that Sakhela Buhlungu's anti-corruption efforts at the University of Fort Hare led to two failed assassination attempts?
    • I prefer short simple hooks, so I think this one's slightly better, but I don't feel strongly about it if you prefer Alt1. Larataguera (talk) 23:39, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Larataguera: Thanks for the review. I've reclassified as C-class on the talk page template, which hopefully resolves the stub issue. I would actually suggest:
Alt3: ... that Sakhela Buhlungu's anti-corruption efforts at the University of Fort Hare led to a failed assassination attempt that killed his bodyguard?
I made a major edit - feel free to take another look if you want to - and sources were open about describing the 2023 attack as an attempted assassination, but not the 2022 attack despite an attempted murder case being opened. Better to err on the side of caution here. As for the South Africa, that was largely out of concern that people might now know where the University of Fort Hare is, but the shorter version is fine as well. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:34, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Patar knight:, looks good. I like Alt3, and I have struck the others for clarity. I reviewed your recent edit, and everything looks fine as far as I can tell. Thanks. Symbol confirmed.svg Larataguera (talk) 00:36, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Iszac Henig

Moved to mainspace by GRuban (talk). Self-nominated at 19:52, 13 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • General:
    • Symbol confirmed.svg New: Moved to mainspace a day before the nomination.
    • Symbol confirmed.svg Long enough: Well past 1500 characters
    • Symbol confirmed.svg Within policy: Well-cited. Copyvio detector came back negative. Prose is neutral. I'm not going to hold up the nomination over this, but some regard the terminology "female-to-male" and "male-to-female" as outdated: what terms do Henig and Thomas use to describe themselves?
  • Hook:
  • Other:
    • Symbol confirmed.svg QPQ: Verified.
    • Symbol confirmed.svg Images: Instagram page for the photo does in fact say it's CC licensed.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go unless anyone wants to improve on ALT1. Apocheir (talk) 01:08, 14 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Will ask Henig what terminology he prefers, I don't have a contact with Thomas. I am reluctant to use the words "exchanged wins" rather than "alternated", because "exchanged" has an implication of it being voluntary, and you'll see there was actually an accusation that Thomas let Henig win the first time, which I don't want to endorse by implication. --GRuban (talk) 19:08, 14 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Apocheir and Newimpartial: Henig responded:
I don't mind "ftm" (and I'm not sure exactly what the 'up-to-date' terminology is) but it could be worth cutting from the article because it does note in the next line down that I was assigned female at birth. Not sure about Lia's preference. I can shoot her a text.
What he says about "the next line down" is the first section as opposed to the lede. The lede is supposed to summarize the article, so it does need to be there, however it is phrased. Also pinging User:Newimpartial in case they do know what the up-to-date terminology is. --GRuban (talk) 19:12, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Apocheir and Newimpartial: Henig writes again!
Hey George, Heard back from Lia and wanted to follow up. She said, "I find “male-to-female” to be a little clunky. I’d say just use “trans woman” since that’s how I would describe myself. Also, if they can change it I spell my middle name 'Kathryn.'"
Henig doesn't say explicitly he prefers that terminology, but also doesn't say he objects, so I think we can assume he at least approves. Also, if nothing else, it's shorter. So I'll rephrase that in the article, and in this proposed hook:
As for the middle name in our article Lia Thomas, of course an email from her via Henig via me is pretty much the opposite of a reliable source that we can cite, but I will be digging around to see if there is a source that we can use for "Kathryn", and if so will do that. --GRuban (talk) 15:03, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


The Loophonium's exhibit at the Walker Art Gallery
The Loophonium's exhibit at the Walker Art Gallery

ALT0: ... that the Loophonium (pictured) played alongside the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic on April Fools' Day? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20100731145348/http://www.culture24.org.uk/places+to+go/north+west/liverpool/art18870 [1] Paull, Jennifer (2007). Cathy Berberian and Music's Muses. Jennifer Paull. ISBN 978-1-84753-889-5. [2] Treuherz, Julian; Figueiredo, Peter de (2016). 111 Places in Liverpool that you shouldn't miss (in German). Emons Verlag. ISBN 978-3-96041-030-0.

ALT1: ... that the Loophonium, a cross between a euphonium and a toilet (pictured), was played alongside the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic on April Fools' Day? Source: [1] Paull, Jennifer (2007). Cathy Berberian and Music's Muses. Jennifer Paull. ISBN 978-1-84753-889-5. [2] Treuherz, Julian; Figueiredo, Peter de (2016). 111 Places in Liverpool that you shouldn't miss (in German). Emons Verlag. ISBN 978-3-96041-030-0.

    • Reviewed: QPQ not needed.
    • Comment: Felt like having a little joke today, maybe a hook to save for April Fools' Day?

Created by Schminnte (talk). Self-nominated at 17:42, 12 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation

Image eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg
QPQ new user excused;
Article: PASSED: C/E'd and looks good; Closer: Consider hold for April Fool's Day publishing.
Hook: Suggested ALT1, that I whipped up, as a more interesting Hook;
Picture May need a copyrighter to check on usability per Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license; otherwise OK. GenQuest "scribble" 03:38, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @GenQuest: I prefer the hook with a little more detail. I've edited it slightly. As for the image, if it is unusable I will just change the hook. Schminnte (talk contribs) 08:10, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Schminnte The use of "euphonium" may narrow your audience quite a bit. Most people understand "tuba", which would give it broader appeal and interest, IMO. I can go with the euphonium for now and leave that particular detail up to the closer. As for the picture, hopefully, the closer has the knowledge for the copyright of the image. I think it is OK, but do not usually get too involved with the licensing. Good job. Regards, GenQuest "scribble" 08:24, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • Thanks GenQuest I thought it might be better in order to better understand the article. If the article says one thing and the hook another, people might get confused. Schminnte (talk contribs) 09:44, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on January 14[edit]

Michał Węsławski

  • ... that the first non-Russian mayor of Vilnius since the January Uprising was approved only after 43 years in 1905? Source: Wołkanowski, Waldemar (2015). Michał Węsławski. Biografia prezydenta Wilna w latach 1905-1916 [Michał Węsławski. Biography of the President of Vilnius in 1905-1916] (in Polish). Opole. p. 137.: At the Council session on December 7,. M. Węsławski chaired the session for the first time. Doctor J. Sumorok welcomed him on behalf of all councilors and gave a short speech in Polish: "Mr. President! We welcome You, as the first Polish president after 43 years"
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: After the January Uprising, Lithuania was put under martial law, and in 1876 a new city law was introduced, giving wealthy residents the right to elect a president. However, even if a non-Russian was elected, the governor blocked the election. Thus invalidated at least two elections of Poles (1893 and 1897) were thus invalidated. Until finally, on the wave of the political thaw in 1905, Węsławski's election was recognized. You can see the list of mayors: Mayor of Vilnius

5x expanded by Marcelus (talk). Self-nominated at 20:39, 14 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Length Newness Cited hook Interest Sources Neutrality Plagiarism/paraphrase

It's all good except:

  • This needs a copy edit; there are some typos and some phrasing oddities (probably translation artifacts) that need some refinement.
  • I would recommend a more straightforward hook:
  • Maintenance note: I relocated the misplaced notification template from here to the nominator's talk page, and added the unsigned comment tag above. Flibirigit (talk) 02:33, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @jengod Hi, I'm ok with the shorter version, I will try to fix the text, but it's possible I won't find every typos etc. since I'm the author, so any help is appreciatedMarcelus (talk) 09:39, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol confirmed.svg Ready to go. jengod (talk) 15:43, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Created by Psiĥedelisto (talk). Nominated by Psiĥedelisto (talk) at 10:41, 18 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • I don't really need to be listed as a DYK author for my contributions, but thank you for being generous with sharing credit. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:54, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg Interesting article. BorgQueen (talk) 10:25, 25 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


5x expanded by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 04:21, 19 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg @Sammi Brie: Good article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:43, 19 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Samuel Iling-Junior

Iling-Junior with Juventus U19 in 2021
Iling-Junior with Juventus U19 in 2021

Improved to Good Article status by Dr Salvus (talk). Self-nominated at 23:19, 14 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - n
  • Other problems: Red XN - Poorly worded, see below
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Article is new and long enough (GA yesterday), sourcing and prose is good. Earwig shows no issues. Hook isn't the greatest IMO; it is a little confusing, changes from past to present tense, and has an potential inaccuracy (readers may think that he entered, scored, and assisted within a span of two minutes based on how the hook is worded, which is incorrect according to the article). The assist on Fagioli's winner after 41 seconds is a much better hook fact in my opinion, and more easily digestible. QPQ also still needed.

Arleady knew I need QPQ. See no issues with the hook. Better waiting for a second opinion. Dr Salvus 16:22, 15 January 2023 (UTC) PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 05:19, 15 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree that the hook needs to be changed or reworded. Even assuming most of the world is a football fan, it's hard to find the main idea here since the hook meanders and doesn't get to the main point clearly enough. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:56, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's simple: entrance to the field at the 70th minute, assist for 4-2 at the 77th, key pass for 4-3 at the 79th, he was about to save Allegri from a humiliation, in his Champions League debut. Dr Salvus 21:30, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We understand what the hook means, it's just not that interesting or broadly appealing. "Super sub scores game winning goal" is one thing but "super sub almost makes his team not lose a game that isn't really all that notable" is another. Also, again, the hook is poorly written, so even if this fact were the one that ended up getting a tick, it will have to be reworded for grammar and brevity. I am happy to recommend better hooks from the article if you'd like, or even a reword of this one. Like this:
ALT1: ... that Samuel Iling-Junior tallied two assists for Juventus F.C. within eight minutes of entering a game in 2022?
Something like that. Much more concise and doesn't give a ton of unnecessary information that isn't directly relevant to the fact itself; that information is, however, still in the article and will be available to readers if they find the hook interesting and click through to the article. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:43, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not being able of differentiating a goal from an assist is a blasphemy for us football lovers... But no, yours has too little content and it's horrible. I do want to point out that he was subbed in when the coach thought: "we've arleady lost, what risks can a youngster like him create at this moment?" And yet, he almost saved the team from losing in his CL debut. Dr Salvus 21:56, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, we have two opinions that your proposed hook will not work, so I'm not going to give it a tick. I'm sorry that you think my alternate proposal is terrible. Unfortunately none of us, not even you, know exactly what the coach was thinking at the time he decided to sub on Iling-Junior, and "almost saved his team from losing" really is not an interesting fact in and of itself. Please propose another hook or allow me (or somebody else) to come up with some alternates or we'll have to give up on this DYK. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 00:04, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
WP:DYKCRIT may be of interest: The hook should include a definite fact that is mentioned in the article and likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest. WP:DYKSG states: Don't assume everyone worldwide knows what country or sport you're talking about. Football may be the world's most popular sport, but not everyone is well-versed in it, and hooks need to ensure that even people with no knowledge or only passing knowledge about a topic (football in this case) can still understand it. We are writing for general readers, not solely for football fans, and so the hook has to appeal primarily to the first group and perhaps only secondarily to the second.
@PCN02WPS: I admit to not being a huge football fan (more of a casual fan of the sport at most), but making two assists withing 8 minutes of entering a game isn't as impressive as scoring two goals within 8 minutes of a game is it? I don't think the hook fact itself is unsalvageable but perhaps it could be worded better? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:10, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: you are correct in that if he had scored 2 goals in 8 minutes rather than 2 assists in 8 minutes it would have been much more impressive. Or if he had assisted a game-winning goal. Something other than "his team almost didn't lose", which sounds sort of pathetic to me. I proposed an alternate way to word the ALT0 hook fact but it was shot down by nom as "horrible"; there are plenty of other facts in the article suitable for a hook (one of which I suggested) but nom doesn't seem interested. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 06:56, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@PCN02WPS: If that's the case then I would second the motion of the nomination being marked for closure if the nominator cannot agree to an alternative hook fact or wording. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:04, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Dr Salvus: I will be away from Wikipedia until later tomorrow afternoon; please provide a reworded ALT0 that follows DYKCRIT and DYKSG as noted above or an alternate hook/hook fact by then. If this has not been done when I log back on I will be marking the nomination for closure and we’ll wrap this up. Thank you! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 14:32, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ALT2: ... that Samuel Iling-Junior (pictured) became a Juventus first-team player in December 2022 when he had played only nine matches with their Juventus Next Gen reserve-team in more than a year?

Want to add that this happened although Juventus' coach Allegri is one who does not trust youngsters at all (he hasn't played much for the first team).


Will do something similar at Dean Huijsen. Dr Salvus 16:53, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol confirmed.svg we’ll take it. If a prep builder wants to slim it down they should feel free. ALT2 approved. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:57, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Improved to Good Article status by Grnrchst (talk). Self-nominated at 15:49, 15 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg All good, article was promoted to Good Article status in a reasonable timespace. I recommend using the ALT0 hook. Still needs QPQ. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael

  • @Jeromi Mikhael and Grnrchst: Symbol question.svg Are we sure Alt0 is fully accurate? The article states that he remained in France because he believed that there would be a revolution following the end of the war. "following the end of the war" and "bring an end to [the war]" are two pretty different things. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 18:55, 20 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Krisgabwoosh: That's my mistake, apologies. The version in the article is correct. Here's a quote from the cited source:

After the Nazi invasion and the formation of the Vichy government, [Volin's] position became increasingly precarious. He went from hiding place to hiding place, living in extreme poverty and in constant fear of arrest. Yet he refused to seek refuge across the Atlantic. He hoped to take part in the coming events in Europe, about which, noted Serge, he cherished a "romantic optimism."29 Two of Volin's comrades, Mollie Steimer and Senya Fleshin, met him in Marseilles in 1941. They begged him to come away with them to Mexico, but to no avail. He was needed in France, Volin insisted, to meet with the youth and "prepare for the revolution when the war is over."30

I can change this to say either "[...] would follow the end of World War II" or "[...] would follow the liberation of France"? --19:00, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
I'd go with the latter as, at least to me, the article reads as though he thought the revolution would happen in France in particular. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 19:02, 20 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Done. --Grnrchst (talk) 19:03, 20 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on January 15[edit]

Henry Ketchum

Created by Ivanvector (talk). Self-nominated at 20:52, 17 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation

QPQ: Red XN - Not done
Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg @Ivanvector: Good article. But "That same year, the college released engineering students to gain practical experience working in railway construction during the summer." needs to be cited. What makes Grace's Guide To British Industrial History a reliable source? Also, you do need to do a QPQ based on your DYK check history. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:42, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Also, there's some minor sentence copyvio claims that earwig seems to display. Can you comment on that? Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:43, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the early review. I'll add an inline citation for the sentence you mentioned - I'm pretty sure it's supported by a citation already used in that paragraph and I'm not in the habit of citing every sentence in an article per WP:OVERKILL, but I'll see what I can do. I reviewed Earwig's results earlier today and did make some adjustments, otherwise I believe it's flagging long proper names like "University of New Brunswick" and "European and North American Railway" which should not count as copyright violations. Do let me know if you find anything more serious by reviewing the comparisons.
Regarding Grace's Guide, I assumed it to be reliable, although since you mentioned it I looked more closely and it does appear to be a wiki, however per their about page, "Anyone can volunteer to contribute information to the project and all such contributions are overseen by the editor-in-chief to ensure the content is as accurate as possible and properly attributed to the original sources." So it operates on wiki infrastructure but seems to have a staff editor review submissions against citations before publication, which I think meets our threshold for reliability. It has one entry I could find in the RSN archives: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 279#Grace's Guide to British Industrial History, which suggests it is considered reliable, although this was not evidently a thorough review. I would be happy to ask for a review for this subject specifically at RSN.
Note that the QPQ review tool counts one of my entries twice, since the bot seems to have posted the notification on my talk page twice for that entry. But that does bring the total to five by my count. It may take me a day or two to do a review. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:34, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
QPQ updated. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:26, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Onegreatjoke: checking in on this, as it's been a little over a week since I responded to your comment. I'm going to be away for a couple weeks and would like to address anything outstanding beforehand if possible. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 22:53, 26 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol confirmed.svg Assuming Grace is reliable Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:27, 27 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Achievement Test in English Composition

Created by Wasted Time R (talk). Self-nominated at 11:52, 16 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Spacy (film)

Created by MatthewHoobin (talk). Self-nominated at 08:15, 21 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol confirmed.svg/Symbol voting keep.svg Interesting little film; I really dig the soundtrack. I could not find any close paraphrasing in the article save for the odd long quote. Article is new enough, long enough, no neutrality issues found. QPQ fulfilled. Assume good faith for ALT0, and I could verify ALT1 hook fact checks out. DigitalIceAge (talk) 17:52, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Battle of Winwick

  • ... that in 1648 a mostly Scottish army was pursued for two nights and two days by an English army before turning to fight at the battle of Winwick? Source: Royle, Trevor (2005) [2004]. Civil War: The Wars of the Three Kingdoms, 1638–1660. London: Abacus. ISBN 978-0-349-11564-1, pp. 469; Bull, Stephen; Seed, Mike (1998). Bloody Preston: The Battle of Preston, 1648. Lancaster: Carnegie. ISBN 978-1-85936-041-5, pp. 76-79.

Created by Gog the Mild (talk). Self-nominated at 14:28, 21 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg @Gog the Mild: Good article. Agf on sources I can't access. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:39, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Improved to Good Article status by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 21:55, 15 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Recent GA, hook verified in source, well-referenced throughout. Don't seem to be any copyvio detected. Hook is interesting enough, QPQ done. Good to go. Juxlos (talk) 03:53, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Grammatica Litvanica

Title page of the Grammatica Litvanica (1653)
Title page of the Grammatica Litvanica (1653)
  • ... that Daniel Klein's Grammatica Litvanica (1653) is the first printed grammar of the Lithuanian language which also introduced the distinctive Lithuanian letter Ė that is still in use nowadays? Source: "The coining of the grapheme ė can be attributed to Danielius Kleinas, the author of the first Lithuanian grammar, printed in 1653" (see: The Lithuanian language: traditions and trends, page 9).
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: This is my fifth did you know nomination, therefore QPQ is not yet required.

Created by Pofka (talk). Self-nominated at 08:59, 15 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol confirmed.svg article is very interesting, long enough, new enough, and generally appropriately referenced. QPQ is NOT needed. Reliable sources are used properly throughout the article, and the hook is cited and mentioned in the article. However, I found overlap words "Lithuanian letter letter" in the hook. I can't seem to notice any significant copyvio, so it's good to go. Thanks Taung Tan (talk) 19:34, 15 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Taung Tan: I removed one word "letter". I can't believe I missed that out. Thanks for your kind words. -- Pofka (talk) 21:56, 15 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Shouldn't that say "... introduced the distinctive Lithuanian letter Ė ..."? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 19:15, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Metropolitan90: English is not my native language. If "the" is required grammatically, then I kindly accept your suggested modification of the hook. Feel free to correct any grammatical mistakes. -- Pofka (talk) 21:28, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Added the suggested "the". -- Pofka (talk) 22:33, 27 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on January 16[edit]

Danielle Marcano

  • ... that American Danielle Marcano was named the GHSA Girl's Soccer Player of the Year in 2014 and 2015, as well as the Player of the Week by TopDrawerSoccer.com in 2018? Source: "Was named the GHSA Girl's Soccer Player of the Year for all classifications in 2014, along with all-county honors after scoring 26 goals and 16 assists", "Unanimous GHSA Class AA Girls Soccer Player of the Year in 2015", "TopDrawerSoccer.com Player of the Week (11/20/18)" [13]

Created by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 12:03, 19 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Symbol confirmed.svg Article is long enough and new enough; no sourcing, copyright, or content issues were found. Hook has good source and meets length and format criterion. QPQ was done.--Orygun (talk) 05:58, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Action Computer Enterprise

  • ... that the first batches of Action Computer Enterprise's Discovery 1600, one of the first multi-user microcomputers, was delivered to a tobacco-growing business in Thailand? Source: "Along with two fellow engineers at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, in Pasadena, Calif., Kwok had been working on a new microcomputer that could serve several users at once. Now he and his colleagues agreed to go out on their own and, with a $50,000 investment from the Chungs, formed a joint venture called Action Computer Enterprise Inc. By February of the following year, the first California-made computers had been shipped to tobacco operations headquarters in Banphai, a small village 400 kilometers from Bangkok. While Kwok Ong and company chairman Herbert Siegel perfected the multi-user technology, Wing Chung turned to marketing Action's Discovery line of computers throughout Asia." Kotkin, Joel (June 1987). "The Chinese Way of Business". Inc. Mansueto Ventures. 9 (6): 66 – via Gale. (subscription required)

Created by DigitalIceAge (talk). Self-nominated at 07:00, 23 January 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited: Green tickY - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.