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John Dawson (slave trader)‎[edit]

Hi Desertarun, thanks for adding the vessels. Where are you getting the info? I would like to follow up. Cheers, Acad Ronin (talk) 00:25, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Acad Ronin:. Hi, the ebook I'm reading is Slave Captain - The Career of James Irving (slave trader). I've re'd the ships I added. The book contains a lot of info on Ellen. Irving himself was a slave trader who became a slave himself, and upon release went straight back to slaving before dying on his very next voyage! The morality of this is hard to fathom. Regards, Desertarun (talk) 09:25, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Derertun, I will have to get the book. As for the morality: "The past is another country, they do things differently there." One of the difficulties I am facing in keeping some of my articles about slave ships from being deleted is that slavery was so normal, no one wrote about it or the ships, so it is hard today to establish Wikipedia "notability". Anyway, thanks for getting back to me. Cheers, Acad Ronin (talk) 10:56, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Acad Ronin: I think every slave ship is notable. Is there a way of keeping track if/when slave ships come up for deletion? If so I'll watch that page. Regards, Desertarun (talk) 11:02, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Desertarun, unfortunately, under Wikipedia rules, I may not solicit/canvas for support when an article is up for deletion. My talk page is not a bad place to look to observe the process, though many of my articles up for deletion are whalers, and just straight, boring merchantmen. Wikipedia has some weird practices. A naval ship is automatically notable; that part of WP Ships has won for itself an automatic, presumed notability. A slave ship that went down without a trace, drowning 200 people aboard, is not notable because nobody wrote about the incident and so there is nothing in the press, or in books, then or now, about the vessel, beyond one line in Lloyd's List that she foundered with all aboard. On another note: in both the Irving and Dawson articles you have put up, there is a reference to "Schwartz" - what is that? Cheers, Acad Ronin (talk) 11:16, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Acad Ronin: I agree with the sentiment. As for Schwarz it is the author of the book/source Slave Captain - The Career of James Irving (slave trader). Maybe I've not formatted it properly, I'm not sure. Regards, Desertarun (talk) 11:21, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]