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Thank you[edit]

Thank you for creating Jekyll Memorial, Busbridge and using the photo I took! Thank you also for the lovely tribute you paid to Brian. Carcharoth (talk) 17:04, 8 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi KJP1 - hope you're well? Sorry if I'm being a bit cheeky in asking this, but I'm going through my first FAC with Margaret Macpherson Grant, and so far it's got a couple of 'supports' (and a 'not quite'), but it's been up for a month and may be archived in the next few days if it doesn't get any more reviews. I see that you do a bit of FA reviewing, so just wondered whether you might have the time/inclination to take a look before it slips away. No worries if you're too busy, or if that kind of article just isn't your bag. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 14:11, 25 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Girth Summit - It would be my absolute pleasure, and congratulations on your first FAC! I don't do nearly enough reviewing and should be pleased to take a look over this weekend. Don't be disheartened by the number of reviews, it's nothing to do with the quality of the article, just that FA doesn't have enough reviewers. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 14:16, 25 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
KJP1, thanks! Most appreciated, I'm looking forward to seeing what you think of it, and will try to respond quickly to any suggestions. GirthSummit (blether) 14:24, 25 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Great Britain/Ireland Destubathon[edit]

Hi. The Wikipedia:The Great Britain/Ireland Destubathon is planned for March 2020, I doubt "contests" are your thing but it's not the point, a good chance to get some of those stubs on hamlets and listed buildings improved!♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:49, 4 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dear Dr B - How very good to hear from you and my apologies for the delay in responding. You're right that contests aren't really my thing, but I shall certainly see if I can do some destubbing in March. All best wishes for the success of the Destubathon. KJP1 (talk) 18:20, 13 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: Previous George Szell[edit]

Hi KJP1,

Thank you for your advice on all of these matters. I've gone through what I had entered previously for George Szell's tenure in Cleveland and cited all of the material for which citations were necessary; it amounts to just about every sentence that I wrote. Would you mind taking a look at it and letting me know if what I've put there is acceptable? If so, I will be able to proceed for the appropriate citing for all of the Cleveland Orchestra-related content I'm working with on here.

Cheers, Samuel T. Nemeth (talk) 16:01, 19 February 2020 (UTC) STNTCO4Reply[reply]

Will do, and sorry for the delay. Got rather absorbed in something else. KJP1 (talk) 18:51, 28 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi. I found your name at a recent nomination and wanted to ask if you could perform a source review for my nomination of Aftermath (Rolling Stones album). It has received several substantial reviews, leading to 4 supports and a successful image review. isento (talk) 19:34, 28 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

isento - Sorry, it’s very well-reasearched, for which congratulations, but, as a consequence, a source review would take more time than I currently have. KJP1 (talk) 13:58, 29 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

March Madness 2020[edit]

G'day all, March Madness 2020 is about to get underway, and there is bling aplenty for those who want to get stuck into the backlog by way of tagging, assessing, updating, adding or improving resources and creating articles. If you haven't already signed up to participate, why not? The more the merrier! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:19, 29 February 2020 (UTC) for the coord teamReply[reply]

How about a big collaborative FA?[edit]

Encouraged by the collaboration at Sic Bar, I have been thinking how great it would be if a few of us got together and knocked out a new FA as big collaboration. Might you be interested? Giano (talk) 21:24, 29 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Replied on Giano’s page. KJP1 (talk) 21:15, 2 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your question at the Help desk[edit]

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Thank you: Papillon Hall, Lubenham[edit]

Just a quick thank you for your advice about Papillon hall. The template will be very useful --WPCW (talk) 14:53, 30 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fat finger[edit]

Sorry, I just thanked you for an edit I didn't mean ;) - hope you are as well as possible. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:46, 5 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No problem. I’d rolled it back when I didn’t mean to! Take care. KJP1 (talk) 17:17, 5 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I take care of articles of people who died recently, too many. Ceoil invited me to a lovely Chapel today, see my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:43, 5 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Be happy, or: the resurrection of loving-kindness --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:28, 12 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
... and today Credo, or this is the day from Psalm 118. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:15, 28 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We have a featured topic to review. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:34, 6 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for your support for Monteverdi's operas that now became a featured topic! ... exactly 10 years after both Brian and I were declared awesome ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:44, 3 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I can't quite believe that Peterborough Town Hall] is missing from the NHLE. A master of municipal buildings, I'm surprised that all of them are not on the ruddy list. I've not visited it in the flesh, but going by the pictures, Peterborough seems to certainly be up there with the likes of the Grade II* listed one at Southampton. When you have the time, would you mind consulting Sir Nick re the Peterborough one and of the one in Southampton? Thanks in advance. CassiantoTalk 13:43, 6 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Cassianto - I have a bit of time, just now! There's much on the Guildhall - I've put a quote in but ditch at will, of course. I'll check Peterboro' later. KJP1 (talk) 13:51, 6 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry to have jumped in on this one during your 'in use'... I thought you had finished and forgotten to remove the banner. I'll leave off until you appear to have finished. Best. Acabashi (talk) 08:33, 10 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Acabashi - Thanks. KJP1 (talk) 08:34, 10 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]



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Welsh Streets, Liverpool Violation Possible




Apologies - now done. Was just mass adding them. I first came across the him via this gorgeous pile by Victoria station. Hope you and your family are well in these unusual times. No Swan So Fine (talk) 10:01, 15 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No Swan So Fine - No worry at all. The rear of that building bears a very close similarity to this, Church of St Nicholas, Burnage. KJP1 (talk) 10:26, 15 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Murdered melons[edit]

Hope you are keeping well KJP. You expressed an interest in this subject a couple of weeks ago, for your pains  :) if you're still interested, it's up. Take care of yourself! ——SN54129 18:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello there. This is an invitation to join the 50,000 Destubbing Challenge Focus of the Week. £250 (c. $310) up for grabs in May, June and July with £20 worth of prizes to give away every week for most articles destubbed. Each week there is a different region of focus, though half the prize will still be rewarded for articles on any subject. Sign up if you want to contribute at least one of the weeks or support the idea! † Encyclopædius 19:18, 27 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

BISD Article copyright violations?[edit]

You mentioned that the article had copyright violations. Please specify. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MRC2RULES (talkcontribs) 12:01, 29 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

MRC2RULES - No I didn’t. KJP1 (talk) 12:48, 29 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Sign of the times, but my order, which was from an intermediary book seller in the US, via (sigh) amazon, has been cancelled, no explanation given. Wondering what bookseller did you get your copy from? Am on tendterhooks here, given there is f all else to do on earth at this time. Hope all is well with you and yours. Ceoil (talk) 21:11, 1 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ceoil - What a pain in the *&%£. I got mine direct from Amazon UK, which appears still to have it, [1]. But I think you can't use Amazon UK? If it helps, I can scan the pages relevant to the Honan Chapel and mail them over for you. I provide a Pevsner copying service to a number of editors on here! Just let me know. Hope you're keeping well and safe. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 06:23, 2 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you very much; that would be great man; it was down for arrival for the 22nd april, having been ordered in early Feb. Bo ho. All is well here, but given Liz in the states looking after her parents through this, the days are long and the weeks unending. Still, can't complain, our parents are safe and well which is the most important thing. Ceoil (talk) 09:28, 2 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ceoil - Scanned and ready to go. Are you emailable on here? I am, so you could mail me and I’ll reply with the scan. KJP1 (talk) 09:51, 2 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yup KJP1, click on my username and you get to my gmail account. You are a star. Ceoil (talk) 10:23, 2 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
YGM. Ceoil (talk) 10:25, 2 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Recent changes[edit]

Dear KJP1, and pinging @PrisonerB:, who first reverted my changes on Eton College, as can be noticed from the sources I added, Doon does reject the label. In Spectator article: "rejects the label", and in the the quoted Times of India citation, featuring Doon headmaster. However, dear @Nerd271:, I tend to agree with KJP1 that adding "due to its pride and global ambitions" in the end is somewhat a case of WP:EDITORIALIZING, as it establishes a direct causal relation between the two things. I read the ToI source again and that line appears in another context, that "things are changing at school, but given the global ambitions hopefully remain the same" (paraphrased). So, by inserting the statement in the end, we seem to establish a tenuous link between the two. In the interests of actual NPOV, may I suggest a solution? We should end it at "eschews the label" -- after all, that was the stable version since at least April 2018, until last week, and it's just that now we have the proper references in place...what say? May I change it? Thank you all for your time. Stay safe FloraMayser (talk) 09:27, 4 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

FloraMayser - I'd be fine with that. I remain of the view that Nerd271's ending is an inappropriate synthesis, where they are taking the comments in the article and drawing a conclusion from them, which we don't know is what the head meant or intended. KJP1 (talk) 09:44, 4 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Great, I've taken the liberty to end at the previously stable version "eschews the label". Nerd271, please feel free to revert if you think it wrong, and if there are other citable sources that show the relation. Cheers FloraMayser (talk) 10:25, 4 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New GA nomination[edit]

Hey, hope you're keeping well. After the review you did of the Welsh Streets article, I wondered if you would be interested in reviewing an article I have just GA nominated for the nearby Granby Four Streets? I have been working on it for the last few weeks and feel happy with it's current state now. No expectation though, just that the other review you did was very comprehensive and I felt the article was far better afterwards thanks to it. Bungle (talkcontribs) 12:24, 8 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bungle - I am, thank you, and I hope you and yours are too. I am pathetically susceptible to flattery, so it will be done. I'm in the middle of commenting on an FAC, so it may be a day or so. KJP1 (talk) 21:40, 8 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh cool, that's great, thanks. No imminent expectation, as I appreciate you have involvement on an FAC so whenever is convenient. Many thanks. Bungle (talkcontribs) 22:35, 8 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bits for Granby[edit]

  • [2] - Turner
  • [3] - community regeneration
  • [4] - as above
  • [5] - Tuner
  • [6] - Turner
  • [7] - Winter garden
  • [8] - a nice External link

Hi there KJP1, thanks for weighing in on this nomination with your measured take on the use of sources in the article. Now that the reliance on the sources in question has been significantly reduced, I wonder if you might be interested in providing a full review? It would be helpful to see if the changes are in line with what you envisioned, not to mention that it would also be generally helpful to have the benefit of another opinion about the article. --Usernameunique (talk) 23:10, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Usernameunique - It would be my pleasure. Work’s a bit crazy just now but it will be done by the weekend, if not before. Hope you are keeping safe and well. KJP1 (talk) 16:53, 20 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, KJP1, much obliged for the review. Hope you and yours are safe also. --Usernameunique (talk) 07:42, 2 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hold the Bold[edit]

Purpose of bolding in the East Knoyle intro was to show that those placenames redirect to this article. I know it looks ugly but it saves people from wondering if any of those places have articles of their own. --Wire723 (talk) 09:01, 25 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wire723 - very happy to revert myself if you think they add something. But would not the absence of a blue-link tell readers the same thing, without looking quite so BOLD! You don’t happen to have a photo of Wren’s Memorial by any chance? KJP1 (talk) 17:59, 26 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I follow MOS:BOLD which suggests bold for redirects under 'Article title terms' but stops short of making this a requirement. I can't speak for the general reader since I'm on a multi-year mission to complete & expand the coverage of places in Wiltshire, so when I see a placename I want it to be either blue, red or bold. --Wire723 (talk) 14:19, 27 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Will try to remember to make a photo stop next time I'm passing, which could be some months away. --Wire723 (talk) 14:19, 27 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wire723 - Certainly don't want to stand in the way of that, so I've rolled myself back. I love the "little places of a shy county", and had great pleasure working up Grade I listed buildings in Monmouthshire and Grade II* listed buildings in Monmouthshire, which also took several years! If you do get a chance to photograph the Wren memorial, I'd hugely appreciate it. I also like doing articles on quirky little bits of architecture such as, Alvediston Manor, which may interest you, but I only write them when we've an image on Commons. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 14:43, 27 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For your thorough and comprehensive GA reviews of Liverpool's Welsh Streets and Granby Four Streets articles. Bungle (talkcontribs) 09:28, 26 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Good to see we still have some competent GA reviewers here!! † Encyclopædius 18:10, 26 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bungle - That’s very kind. It was my pleasure to offer a little help with two great articles, on less common but very interesting architectural topics. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 18:21, 26 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi. I may live to regret this, but for better or worse have decided to pull the trigger and call in the heavies; the article is now at PR and yours is an opinion I especially value, as you are a topic expert. So if you get a chance, blast away. Ceoil (talk) 22:45, 29 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ceoil - It will be a pleasure. KJP1 (talk) 21:02, 30 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tudor Gothic[edit]

The short answer is, I don't know enough about the style overlap at this point and don't have time for the kind of in-depth reading it might need. I got led there after finding the term used to describe a 19th century mansion in Australia, and added the term in the article as per the redirect that led me there. Googling, and skimming both articles, hasn't delivered a nicely summarised answer as to where the redirect should point. This abstract refers to several time phases in US architecture, but I suspect that variations manifest themselves in different countries... Be my guest, if you have the time or know more! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:54, 5 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Laterthanyouthink - can you point me in the direction of the redirect/the Australian house article that led you there? I'll then take a look. Many thanks. KJP1 (talk) 07:29, 5 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hmmm, now that I take a closer look, probably not the most reliable sources, although I have come across this flickr author (also a photo here) before and his info usually checks out. The other source is this flyer, and the house in question is mentioned in the Stonyfell, South Australia article. It's probably more Gothic than Tudor, I think. Google doesn't bring up more associations with the house name and both terms. Thanks for the attention. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 07:53, 5 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Laterthanyouthink - It's this, I think, [9] and it's certainly rather odd! Overall, I'd probably go for Gothic Revival, although that central two-storey bay, with the little turret does have a hint of Tudorbethan. I'll have a think. KJP1 (talk) 08:01, 5 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah yes, that's it. I did come across a source with that address. Shall I leave you to change accordingly (the redirect and/or the article)? Or just ping me with advice and I'm happy to follow your direction on this one. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:05, 5 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Changed the article. I'll have a look at the redirect. KJP1 (talk) 08:07, 5 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Laterthanyouthink - Both Green tickY done now. KJP1 (talk) 08:11, 5 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:21, 5 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for tracking down that useful council source for the LLanarth Court article. Meticulo (talk) 05:13, 6 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Meticulo - No problem. Mr Gradgrind wasn't wrong about the Benedictines, they were there when friends of mine went to the school in the late 70s. But he was a bit less solid on a source! KJP1 (talk) 08:26, 6 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


A barnstar for you![edit]

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To thank you for your effort, patience and encouragement in reviewing my first FA. It went well beyond the call of duty, and made a big difference to me. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 07:30, 8 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Kohlrabi Pickle - The pleasure was all mine, and delighted to see that it’s deservedly through. Many congratulations and I look forward to more - although the buzz of the first is something special! KJP1 (talk) 17:03, 8 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

DYK nomination of Statue of Mary Seacole[edit]

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DYK for Statue of Mary Seacole[edit]

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pale globe-thistle above the Rhine

Thank you for a good one! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:21, 22 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Grade I listed buildings in Rhondda Cynon Taf[edit]

I've nominated Grade I listed buildings in Rhondda Cynon Taf as a featured list candidate, thanks for your help with the peer review. EdwardUK (talk) 18:57, 24 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Architecture of Wales[edit]

Thank you for your kind comments on the the Architecture of Wales. I still think that there are some rough edges to sort out and I may get around to writing something more about Tai Unnos and Peasant Housing. Also the omission of William Owen of Haverfordwest as a significant Welsh architect, needs to be remedied. I feel that the article is getting too long and some of the themes and topics need to be developed as separate articles. Also the article needs parallel articles on Welsh churches, chapels castles, industrial and transport structures, so that it truly covers Welsh architecture. Anyway keep up with your good work on Welsh Listed Buildings. Best wishes. Tyssil (talk) 15:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Would you mind taking a look over Honan Chapel, guidance appreciated. No rush obviously, given the on-going end of the world. Ceoil (talk) 02:02, 26 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ceoil - Certainly will. I somehow ended up missing the PR, which closed before I got back to it. I'll take a look in the course of the week. KJP1 (talk) 11:04, 26 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Culverthorpe Hall.[edit]

Thanks for drawing my attention to your entry for Culverthorpe Hall- not a house that I actually know. I had been puzzling about the connection with Robert Morris. The original Pevsner (1964, pp 507-8) entry would, I assume, have been by John Harris. Colvin (3rd ed. 1997, 667) is careful to say that Culverthorpe is “attributed” to Robert Morris. I note that until the mid. 18th century Culverthorpe was more normally referred to as Hather Thorpe and there is a splendid print by Badeslade/Boydell originally published in 1750 and then included in 1780 Boydell’s “Hundred Views”. This shows the Hall with its wings and the proposed curving links to the outlying pavilions. [10]. There was also an interesting painting of the Hall ?1740 by ?Nathan Drake of Lincoln and York which was sold by Sworders last year showing the Hall and a hunting scene. David Roberts in “Lincolnshire Houses” (Shaun Tyas 2018, fig 1.153, pg 227-8) provides a detailed plan and discussion of the building history of Culverthorpe plus additional references. If you don’t know it, this is a monumental book , similar in scale to Smith’s “Houses of the Welsh Countryside”. If I come across anything more I will let you know.: Tyssil (talk) 20:51, 26 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Disambiguation link notification for August 11[edit]

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Filling an idle moment[edit]

Would you be interested in writing an article on Shute House garden, Shaftesbury by Geoffrey Jellicoe? [11] [12].SovalValtos (talk) 22:07, 21 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

SovalValtos - Idle moment filled. It needs work! There seems to be some debate as to whether it's in Wiltshire or Dorset. I've gone with HE which gives Wiltshire as the unitary authority, even though it uses a Shaftesbury address. It would be very good indeed to have an image or two of the gardens, but we appear not to have such in Commons. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 06:55, 22 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
p.s. Or Geograph - even though the gardens do seem to open to the public on occasion. Surely some editor's been? KJP1 (talk) 07:28, 22 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It was the missing blue link in Jellicoe that threw me. Clearly in Wiltshire using the Unitary Authority function in [13]. What's HE? Groups only and the distance would make it tricky for me to photograph. Best wishes.SovalValtos (talk) 10:36, 22 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry, Historic England. Yes, I think it is Wiltshire, but even the Bournemouth Echo ascribes it to Dorset! I suppose it’s the proximity to Shaftesbury. It looks a very beautiful garden. We should actually have something in about accessibility. And it needs expansion regarding the garden. Take care. KJP1 (talk) 18:50, 22 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for all that you have done in creating the article. Let us hope that someone takes the time and trouble to provide images. Sound recordings would also be of benefit. However no amount of description or illustration could replace the experience of living with the garden. Meanwhile the BBC external link is valuable. I would likely have passed it by because of the 'Secret History' in its title. Local papers barely do the minimum of fact checking to prevent legal action so no surprise that a county is got wrong. Perhaps they should only be used with caution when making passing mentions or just used when discussing a point in detail.SovalValtos (talk) 16:45, 25 August 2020 (UTC)SovalValtos (talk) 13:36, 25 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good work. And yes, it is in Wiltshire. Moonraker (talk) 19:58, 6 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open[edit]

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Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced[edit]

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Ashorne House[edit]

There is no need to be rude.

The convention on Wikipedoa is that normal terms like that don't need quotes. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 11:32, 26 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Murgatroyd49 - First, apologies. I like collegiate editing, and try to achieve that so I’m sorry for my abrupt edit summary. That said, I found your reverting me, and your own edit summary, to be somewhat less than cordial. I’ve written over 300 architecture articles from scratch, and worked on others that have achieved some recognition here, so terms such as “classical” are not unknown to me. Anyways, sorry that our first interaction’s not been great. I’ll look to do better next time. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 13:42, 26 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry in turn, I overreacted. I try to be brief in edit summaries, possibly too much so at times. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 13:46, 26 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Portsmouth etc[edit]

Hiya KJP! I know I've been radio silent lately. Things have been busy here! Hope you and yours are keeping well. Is there any chance you could dust off your Pevsner for Hampshire? I'm interested in anything he has to say about Portsmouth War Memorial and the surrounding Guildhall Square? It's not Lutyens, I know, but I was looking for a little side project. Btw, the main dedication is particularly moving. And if you have your Westminster edition to hand, I'd be interested in anything he has to say about the Royal Artillery Memorial. That was one of Hchc's projects but I'm looking at giving it the final push to get it through FAC (hopefully maintaining Hchch's style and not changing anything he holds too dear!). The content is all there, it just needs some creases ironing out that would bog down an FAC and I've got another couple of sources I want to add but if you had time to give it a read through I'd appreciate it. How are the listed buildings in Wales going? All the best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:27, 28 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

HJ Mitchell - Evening Harry and good to hear from you. I’ve been pretty low-key on here myself but can certainly drag down the Pevsners from the shelves. I shall scan and mail over to you whatever they have, unless the snippets are so meagre that I’ll just put them on your Talkpage. And I shall try and have a look at the RAM, but I can’t promise. The listed Monmouthshire’s went well, and the Grade I and II*s are now both FL. Whether anyone looks at them is another matter. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 21:54, 29 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Would be much appreciated! I'm sure he'll have quite a bit to say about the Royal Artillery (I'd be curious to know if he was pro or con!). Portsmouth is a bit of a backwater and the memorial has only recently come to prominence, thought it was by a famous sculptor so he may have more than a sentence or two to say about it. And while you're there, I'd love to know what he has to say about Portsmouth Naval Memorial. I'm sure people do read the listed building lists. I expect there are two markets—people like me who know they exist and use them when I'm curious about areas I know or when I'm exploring a new area, and people who find them from "see also" sections after reading about a particular building that's of interest to them. Don't be in any doubt that they're useful; even if they weren't interesting in their own right (and I think they're a fascinating snapshot of an area), they're a handy index of links to other places. I'd like to see more "listed building by type" sort of lists as well; I've done Grade I listed war memorials in England (and Grade II* listed war memorials in England but there are a lot of missing articles there), but I'd love to do something like Grade I listed railway bridges in England and other niches. One project at a time though! Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:07, 30 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
HJ Mitchell - Morning Harry - Pevsner entries added to the relevant Talkpages. Some useful gobbets, I think. I see the RAM is now at FAC. Shall certainly try to comment but my promise on Honan Chapel must take precedence and Wikitime is in very short supply at present. All the very best. KJP1 (talk) 09:05, 31 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks a lot for that! And thanks for the typo fix while you were there! 2003 for a Pevsner? There must be a new edition due soon! Don't worry too much about the RAM. It's only in the very early stages of FAC so it's probably got a month to go yet, longer if there are any unanticipated spanners in the works. Of course, if you do manage to get to it I always appreciate your feedback. Might have a look at the Honan Chapel myself if I get chance. I like architecture FACs. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:40, 31 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hiya! I'm hoping to get a bit of writing done over the festive period. Could I trouble you for some Pevsner lookups? I'm currently thinking about the railway war memorials, particularly Paddington (the Great Western Railway War Memorial), Euston (the London and North Western Railway War Memorial), and the Victory Arch at Waterloo (which doesn't have an article ... but might be notable enough to sustain one; it currently only gets a passing mention in the station article). Happy Christmas to you and yours! It's been a strange year but hopefully we'll be able to meet for a pint again in 2021. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:00, 24 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request for thoughts[edit]

Hello KJP1, I hope you're doing well! I remembered how helpful you were with my first FA, and I was hoping to ask your opinion on a new article I want to create: the Cranworth Law Society of Downing College, Cambridge. There's a couple of obstacles in my way:

  1. The first is that it doesn't cleanly meet WP's notability guidelines, because it has barely any independent coverage. What it has is
    1. passing coverage and mention by a number of distinguished former members: Robert Jennings, the Lord Wallace of Tankerness.
    2. It is one of Cambridge's oldest and largest college-run law societies (formed in 1921 by Harold Dexter Hazeltine), and is the law society of a college that has a reputation for law within Cambridge.
    3. There are old issues of the Cambridge Law Journal documenting events that took place in the early half of the 20th century, as well as distinguished guest speakers they had.
    4. There are also a number of photographs of Cranworth events showing the kind of position it has in the English legal world: in their 2019 annual dinner, a quarter of the UK's Supreme Court was present and some Court of Appeal judges as well (Lord Reed, Lord Lloyd-Jones, Lady Arden, Richard McCombe, Kim Lewison). This is a kind of guestlist that even the Cambridge University Law Society cannot command. When I created the Cambridge University Law Society page, another editor opined that it was not as big a deal that it didn't have too much independent coverage, because the societies of Oxbridge are where many of the personal and professional networks that run the English world are formed.
  2. The second is... that I'm a former member of the Cranworth Law Society, so I'll probably need to ask another editor to look it over to ensure neutrality. I'm keen to pre-empt issues of COI editing and notability, and settle them forthwith so that the page doesn't become a frequent target for railing against self-promotion.

What I'm looking for, I suppose, is to hear whether you know of a way I can settle this early on, perhaps by giving my reasons on the talk page, some sort of RfC, or submitting it to AfC (though that tends to take weeks and weeks)? Also, whether you think the reasons I gave for the page's notability are persuasive, or whether I'm running a fool's errand. Thanks very much for taking the time! Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 06:04, 14 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Kohlrabi Pickle - Hi Kohlrabi, I'm very well, thanks, and I hope you are too. I well understand how frustrating it is to struggle to create an article on a topic which one intrinsically believes to be notable but for which there is a paucity of coverage. I've had exactly the same experience with some of my Monmouthshire houses. With the Cranworth Law Society, you have a 100-year old institution that is part of a distinguished university and which has a very impressive list of past members. On the face of it, it is therefore going to be notable. But it hasn't got significant coverage in reliable, independent, sources. Having thought about it, I think you will struggle unless you can find at least one, solid and independent source. If you have one, then I think you can do it. I originally wrote this with a single source, although I've now managed to locate a couple more. That said, it did get tagged for being single source. Once you've got one, then you can use others, less independent [14] or more "passing" [15], in support. But without a single, fully-compliant, source, I'm afraid I think you'd struggle to defend it at an AfD. The CoI is less of a problem; you're not benefiting, you can declare it, and you can write it up in a Neutral fashion. But I think it could compound your difficulty at AfD. Sorry, not that encouraging. Surely there must be a source somewhere! All the best. KJP1 (talk) 10:55, 14 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello KJP1, thank you for your thoughtful and candid reply, it is a big help! A quick follow-up question: do you think that an article in the Cambridge Law Journal might count as "independent"? The small reports from 1921–1923 were from a time when the CLJ was an undergraduate law journal. Today, it is peer-reviewed and run by the Faculty of Law - so standards are very high and an article about a college law society would be very rare. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 02:03, 15 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Kohlrabi Pickle - what, something like this, [16], or this, [17]? Well, they aren’t CLS talking about itself, but nor are they particularly independent! It’s Downing College’s Law Society, and DC is a constituent part of the UoC. Personally, I’m not sure either crosses the close affiliation bar. But that’s only one view. Others could well disagree. KJP1 (talk) 16:31, 16 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was thinking of a separate, new article potentially titled "The History of the Cranworth Law Society". But that's helpful, thank you. Your thoughts are very much appreciated. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 01:49, 17 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lloyd George[edit]

Many thanks for Grave of David Lloyd George. Somewhere or other I've got a source for him choosing the site years before (perhaps in his daughter Olwen's memoir) - I'll dig it out over the weekend. We should probably also mention the englyn by W. R. P. George that's on one of the plaques - not sure if I've got a proper ref for it but will have a look. I asked for a translation a while ago on the RefDesks, but we didn't get a definitive one. DuncanHill (talk) 16:16, 21 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

DuncanHill - Hi Duncan, hope you're well. If you have a source for LG choosing the grave site, that would be excellent. I can certainly put something in re. the englyn, and can find a source for that. I shall get my Welsh-speaking sister-in-law to provide a translation. I may put a little more in about the funeral, although the memorial was not built until the following year. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 18:10, 21 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Here's the RefDesk thread. DuncanHill (talk) 18:16, 21 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi again. Have added a bit about the choice of site to the article, using both Olwen Carey-Evans's Lloyd George Was My Father and Thomas Jones's Whitehall Diary - Jones makes an interesting link to LlG's reaction to the death of Michael Collins. Carey-Evans has a bit about the funeral - the family refusing Churchill's offer of the Abbey, and the service itself, which could be used if the article expands to cover that (I think it would be good to do so). I'm no good at sfn refs, so you may want to convert them. DuncanHill (talk) 13:00, 22 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
DuncanHill - Excellent, and many thanks. No worries re. the sfn, I can easily flip them. Yes, coverage of the funeral would be good. I’ll see what I can dig up. I found a translation of the englyn which reads quite well, although I think it is open to a number of interpretations. KJP1 (talk) 13:17, 22 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've got most of the standard works on Lloyd George, and a host of others. As I recall there isn't a great deal about the funeral in any of them - there's Churchill's lovely gesture of flying all four grandsons back from active service, the "village ancient" who had been a childhood playmate accompanying the body, the same farm cart being used as was used for Maggie. There is some Pathé footage which could go in the external links (and I think it names the old playmate), as well as some from the National Library of Wales. I suspect the newspapers and magazines of the time will have better coverage. DuncanHill (talk) 13:40, 22 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Dear KJP1 thank you for finally including a mention of Jan Morris on the Llanystumdwy page. Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 17:14, 22 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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revert revert?[edit]

Hi, i wonder if it was an accident that in this edit you reverted my recent edit(s) at Talk:List of bridges with buildings, including my thanking you for your edit there. I have accidentally deleted stuff sometimes myself. Could you revert your own reversion, or explain? Thanks --Doncram (talk) 02:52, 4 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Doncram - It was indeed a fat-fingered accident, for which apologies! I think I have already self-reverted, and explained in the edit summary? KJP1 (talk) 06:28, 4 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Swiss Bridge[edit]

Campaign to rebuildthebridge starts here! What a beautiful article, thank you. Hope the festive season has been merry merry. Keep safe :) No Swan So Fine (talk) 20:52, 28 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No Swan So Fine - Yes, it’s a beautiful, lost, thing. I wish I’d been able to see it. I fear the costs of rebuilding would be heavy. I had an interesting tour of the castle last year - if you cough up a bit more, you can go round privately and see bits not normally open, like the gallery of the Summer Smoking Room. The guide was lamenting the lack of funding - they don’t even get to keep all of the castle entry fees - and parts of it were looking rather dilapidated. The ceiling of the Roof Garden is leaking and the floor covered in buckets. Bute II’s chapel has a serious damp problem. Castell Coch has an even more serious problem with water egress and the murals in Lord and Lady B’s bedrooms are decaying. Burges was an expensive architect in life, and the maintenance costs must be ruinous. All rather sad. But I hope you and yours are keeping well in these challenging times. KJP1 (talk) 21:17, 28 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Best wishes for the holidays[edit]

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Seasons greetings. Hope you and yours are safe and well during this rather bleak period, though I think we will get through it. Best Ceoil (talk) 23:00, 29 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ceoil - That's very kind. And all the best to you and yours. Yes, I think it is survivable, but lord, 2020 was a pain! KJP1 (talk) 20:36, 30 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]