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Game 3[edit]

2023[edit]

January songs
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happy new year

The colours of my January calendar image are Ukrainian for a reason. - I wish you luck with DYK, - feeling much lighter without it for the moment. I have a question open at WT:DYK#see you later, though, looking at recent operas singers and their DYK show. I think that the phrase "have underperformed as of late" that I keep reading (not by you) is not supported by the latest, on top of that this staring at views is my key reason to have gone on strike. I had 184 articles on DYK last year, which also means 184 reviews, and most of them appeared without any problems. - I'm reducing your workload now, with a focus on RD, GA and FA. RD views: Galina Pisarenko c. 13k, Pope Benedict XVI 1.6+ mio. I tried to say a bit more about Pisarenko than just giving her name as on RD, - will we do that? Probably not. But at least it looks like she will not be rejected for not finding something juicy to say about her ;) - One more idea: DYK credits still say "and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed", - could that perhaps be clarified to that we all thank you for writing the stats automatically? "may be added" is too vague. - Also "Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page." sounds so inviting, and then you do and get told that it's not interesting ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:40, 4 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

today, I point at two singers I whose performance I enjoyed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:44, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you for the well wishes, Gerda :) best of luck to you as well, in your other endeavors. I'd be happy to update {{UpdatedDYK}} and {{UpdatedDYKNom}} as soon as GalliumBot passes its trial period. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 23:56, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Your edit summary on the second message says "pointy", is that a reference to WP:POINTY? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 23:57, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
the German word - aufzeigen - has more than one meaning: "show, point at, demonstrate", - today, less pointy: a composition from a remarkable 2022 concert, the sad record of four articles about people who recently died on the Main page at the same time, and singing for Epiphany (which ends the Christmas season), with the star singers (some pictured) - As views are of so much importance for DYK: the views for Pope Benedict XVI were impressive, naturally (but I contributed only little, the other three are Rosi Mittermaier (a celebrity at least in German, [1]), Kurt Horres [2], and Andrew Downes, the last one entered only today. Keep watching in case of interest. You can check out the reviews on WP:ITNN: efficient. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:04, 8 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
adding the stats for Downes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Today's featured article is Osbert Parsley, not by me but Amitchell125 where I commented, including the beginning of my songs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:07, 10 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Gerda Arendt: Well, I'm glad you're finding success elsewhere. I imagine views are less important for ITN as they are for DYK, because they have different missions; ITN seeks to inform users about what is currently relevant and what they should know, while DYK seeks to "hook" users in to reading new content with a catchy blurb that makes users want to know more. ITN is aggregate journalism, DYK is narrative storytelling; different people have different talents. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 23:56, 10 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
At the airport, no time for philosophy (perhaps later on vacation): would you be interested in a woman because she learned Norwegian? Not me. I debate with myself if I will list hook #19 here, probably not. My goal was to say a bit more about that unique woman, not something she shares with thousands. - a complete failure on my part. Moving on. -Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:36, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yesterday Guido Dessauer was on OTD. When this friend of mine died 10 years ago, I wrote his article, and summarized in a hook as much as I could about what he achieved. I run my own stories now, and that is top right now. With the current DYK environment, I'm afraid I'd have to say what he did when young instead, and I am glad that - at least for most of the years since I wrote DYK - I was to free to say something to the core of the person. Enough philosophy for another vacation day ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:53, 14 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Today's topic Elisabeth Waterhouse, top of my top list. - Manistina: in the hook now in prep you could exchange her name for any other singer in the situation of stepping in last minute without enough time to learn the staging (undefined when where what), - some explanation of why that would be a good hook about her would be welcome, because I just can't believe it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:56, 21 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Gerda Arendt: Good, then – our base of theatre performers will find a hook they can relate to, and our unacquainted readers will learn something new and fun. Sounds a lot more exciting than publishing the fact that she, err, sang in three different countries. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 07:22, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
countries? - what was suggested to say was that she performed in Tchaikovsky's favourite opera which is too little known, as all reviews say, some in the headline. instead, we want to specify the position of her substitute?? I can't believe that we want to miss a chance like that. - What I liked about DYK was the know aspect, and I miss it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Gerda Arendt: Ah, my bad, I forgot that you proposed hooks. I was going off of what you told Storye book at her talk.
So, I suppose, for those playing along at home, this is Gerda's must-run hook:
Nifty, I suppose. Impressive. But here's my question, because I'm reading this hook, and – keeping in mind that I'm a classically trained vocalist and violinist, a proficient pianist and guitarist, and a general lover of music – I have no idea what in this hook could compel me to want to know more about Manistina. DYK wants me to know that she performed The Enchantress? Awesome – now I know, and then I'm going about my day as usual, instead of actually taking the time to care about a great woman that Gerda worked hard to write about. I haven't been given a reason to want to know more.
And that's the real kicker – it's not about whether people wanna read about opera, it's not about pageviews, it's not about whether a hook might contain too much information. I can live with all of that, most of the time. It's about the fact that this style of hook writing is fundamentally poor. And that's because it equates simply being neat or situationally impressive with actually being intriguing. If we're just giving people neat facts to live with, perhaps we should rename our unit of information, because Google says that "hook" means "a thing designed to catch people's attention."
Between this comment and an essay on hook interestingness I'll shamelessly self-plug, I have nothing more to say on this talk page about Gerda's hooks. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 08:11, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
we say the same - it's about hooks and no longer about know, and I won't participate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:16, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
back from vacation - 26 Jan was variations on views of a lighthouse --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:14, 31 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

DUPrefs[edit]

Per your question, yes. I generally reference every assertion while I'm actively working because that way I can move stuff around without worrying that I've moved it without its reference or inserted information between an assertion and its source. I even think it's a positive to leave an article that still needs work that way, as it helps the next person along. If someone decides, for instance, to split the final sentence off of a paragraph and expand a new paragraph from it, unless all the sources at the end of that sentence are easily available, how do they know which sources to leave at the old paragraph and which to bring to the new one? So I just drop my sources as I go. Valereee (talk) 17:50, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Valereee: Gotcha, that makes sense :) feel free to restore the tags if you'd like. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 06:23, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Meh, for those particular ones, after pretty much exhausting what's readily available to me in online English sources, those particular paragraphs are all sourced completely to a single source, so there's no confusion at this point. I just wanted to explain that there was indeed a method to my madness. :) Valereee (talk) 14:26, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Some help[edit]

Hi @Theleekycauldron, I'm trying to improve DYK on Urdu Wikipedia and I need some help. I'm good at both languages. I am trying to setup and update ur:ویکیپیڈیا:کیا آپ جانتے ہیں؟ first before planning to move forward. What pages should I get ready on Urdu Wikipedia to make the nominations happen on talk page. Best, ─ The Aafī (talk) 08:27, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey there, TheAafi! Damn, that's a super interesting question... I think – at bare minimum – you're gonna want a place where nominations are made or collected and a place where sets are assembled and finalized.
Behind the scenes of DYK, a lot of bots, scripts, and templates do some of the heavy lifting necessary to make DYK. I think you'll probably want to design a system that requires as little technical knowledge as possible. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 08:31, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Help updating Adam Pritzker's article[edit]

Hi leeky. I noticed you are an active and accomplished Wiki contributor. With your interest in U.S. politics and Judaism, I am hoping you'll be willing to help me update Adam Pritzker's article. I've posted an edit request that is still pending, titled Update roles, as my COI keeps me from making these changes directly. Thank you in advance for making these changes and helping me out. DCBPI (talk) 15:12, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey there, DCBPI! I've been eyeing this for a day or so now, but I don't think I have the bandwidth to hop in right now. COI editing can take a lot of time, so I would recommend patience :) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 22:09, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Silvera relatives[edit]

Karl Silvera makeup artist for the "Munsters" related to Frank Silvera and Darrell Silvera and Robert William Wheaton and Steven DeSouza 2601:C6:8302:1850:DDC9:EBC:D447:BDBB (talk) 00:53, 25 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Forgot I edited that SIA... Karl Silvera doesn't have an article at the moment, but I guess I could look into that? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 01:21, 25 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]