Wikipedia:Templates for discussion

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On this page, the deletion or merging of templates and modules, except as noted below, is discussed. To propose the renaming of a template or templates, use Wikipedia:Requested moves.

How to use this page[edit]

What not to propose for discussion here[edit]

Shortcut

The majority of deletion and merger proposals concerning pages in the template namespace and module namespace should be listed on this page. However, there are a few exceptions:

Stub templates
Stub templates and categories should be listed at Categories for discussion, as these templates are merely containers for their categories, unless the stub template does not come with a category and is being nominated by itself.
Userboxes
Userboxes should be listed at Miscellany for deletion, regardless of the namespace in which they reside.
Speedy deletion candidates
If the template clearly satisfies a criterion for speedy deletion, tag it with a speedy deletion template. For example, if you wrote the template and request its deletion, tag it with {{Db-author}}.
Policy or guideline templates
Templates that are associated with particular Wikipedia policies or guidelines, such as the speedy deletion templates, cannot be listed at TfD separately. They should be discussed on the talk page of the relevant guideline.
Template redirects
List at Redirects for discussion.

Reasons to delete a template[edit]

Shortcut
  1. The template violates some part of the template namespace guidelines, and can't be altered to be in compliance.
  2. The template is redundant to a better-designed template.
  3. The template is not used, either directly or by template substitution (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), and has no likelihood of being used.
  4. The template violates a policy such as Neutral point of view or Civility and it can't be fixed through normal editing.

Templates should not be nominated if the issue can be fixed by normal editing. Instead, you should edit the template to fix its problems. If the template is complex and you don't know how to fix it, WikiProject Templates may be able to help.

Templates for which none of these apply may be deleted by consensus here. If a template is being misused, consider clarifying its documentation to indicate the correct use, or informing those that misuse it, rather than nominating it for deletion. Initiate a discussion on the template talk page if the correct use itself is under debate.

Listing a template[edit]

Shortcuts

To list a template for deletion or merging, follow this three-step process. The use of Twinkle (explained below) is strongly recommended, as it automates and simplifies these steps. Note that the "Template:" prefix should not be included anywhere when carrying out these steps (unless otherwise specified).

Step Instructions
I: Tag the template. Add one of the following codes to the top of the template page:

Note:

  • If the template nominated is inline, do not add a newline between the TfD notice and the code of the template.
  • If the template to be nominated for deletion is protected, make a request for the TfD tag to be added, by posting on the template's talk page and using the {{editprotected}} template to catch the attention of administrators or Template editors.
  • For templates designed to be substituted, add <noinclude>...</noinclude> around the TfD notice to prevent it from being substituted alongside the template.
  • Do not mark the edit as minor.
  • Use an edit summary like
    Nominated for deletion; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]]
    or
    Nominated for merging; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]].
  • Before saving your edit, preview your edit to ensure the Tfd message is displayed properly.

Multiple templates: If you are nominating multiple related templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like "American films by decade templates"). Tag every template with {{subst:Tfd|heading=discussion title}} or {{subst:Tfm|name of other template|heading=discussion title}} instead of the versions given above, replacing discussion title with the title you chose (but still not changing the PAGENAME code).

Related categories: If including template-populated tracking categories in the TfD nomination, add {{Catfd|template name}} to the top of any categories that would be deleted as a result of the TfD, this time replacing template name with the name of the template being nominated. (If you instead chose a meaningful title for a multiple nomination, use {{Catfd|header=title of nomination}} instead.)

TemplateStyles pages: The above templates will not work on TemplateStyles pages. Instead, add a CSS comment to the top of the page:

/* This template is being discussed in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Help reach a consensus at its entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023_February_6#Template:template_name.css */
II: List the template at TfD. Follow this link to edit today's TfD log.

Add this text to the top of the list:

  • For deletion: {{subst:Tfd2|template name|text=Why you think the template should be deleted. ~~~~}}
  • For merging: {{subst:Tfm2|template name|other template's name|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

If the template has had previous TfDs, you can add {{Oldtfdlist|previous TfD without brackets|result of previous TfD}} directly after the Tfd2/Catfd2 template.

Use an edit summary such as
Adding [[Template:template name]].

Multiple templates: If this is a deletion proposal involving multiple templates, use the following:

{{subst:Tfd2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be deleted. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ). Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

If this is a merger proposal involving more than two templates, use the following:

{{subst:Tfm2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|with=main template (optional)|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ), plus one more in |with=. |with= does not need to be used, but should be the template that you want the other templates to be merged into. Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

Related categories: If this is a deletion proposal involving a template and a category populated solely by templates, add this code in the |text= field of the Tfd2 template but before the text of your rationale:

{{subst:Catfd2|category name}}
III: Notify users. Please notify the creator of the template nominated (as well as the creator of the target template, if proposing a merger). It is helpful to also notify the main contributors of the template that you are nominating. To find them, look in the page history or talk page of the template. Then, add one of the following:

to the talk pages of the template creator (and the creator of the other template for a merger) and the talk pages of the main contributors. It is also helpful to make any interested WikiProjects aware of the discussion. To do that, make sure the template's talk page is tagged with the banners of any relevant WikiProjects; please consider notifying any of them that do not use Article alerts.

Multiple templates: There is no template for notifying an editor about a multiple-template nomination: please write a personal message in these cases.

Consider adding any templates you nominate for TfD to your watchlist. This will help ensure that the TfD tag is not removed.

After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors[edit]

While it is sufficient to list a template for discussion at TfD (see above), nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention from and participation by informed editors. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing.

To encourage participation by less experienced editors, please avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations in the messages you leave about the discussion, link to any relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the TfD discussion page itself. If you are recommending that a template be speedily deleted, please give the criterion that it meets.

Notifying related WikiProjects[edit]

WikiProjects are groups of editors that are interested in a particular subject or type of editing. If the article is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, they may welcome a brief, neutral note on their project's talk page(s) about the TfD. You can use {{Tfdnotice}} for this.

Tagging the nominated template's talk page with a relevant Wikiproject's banner will result in the template being listed in that project's Article Alerts automatically, if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a template with {{WikiProject Physics}} will list the discussion in Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.

Notifying substantial contributors to the template[edit]

While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the template and its talkpage that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, look in the page history or talk page.

At this point, you've done all you need to do as nominator. Sometime after seven days have passed, someone else will either close the discussion or, where needed, "relist" it for another seven days of discussion. (That "someone" may not be you, the nominator.)

Once you have submitted a template here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is successful it will be added to the Holding Cell until the change is implemented. There is no requirement for nominators to be part of the implementation process, but they are allowed to if they so wish.

Also, consider adding any templates you nominate to your watchlist. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.

Twinkle[edit]

Twinkle is a convenient tool that can perform many of the posting and notification functions automatically, with fewer errors and missed steps than manual editing. Twinkle does not notify WikiProjects, although many of them have automatic alerts. It is helpful to notify any interested WikiProjects that don't receive alerts, but this has to be done manually.

Discussion[edit]

Anyone can join the discussion, but please understand the deletion policy and explain your reasoning.

People will sometimes also recommend subst or subst and delete and similar. This means the template text should be "merged" into the articles that use it. Depending on the content, the template page may then be deleted; if preserving the edit history for attribution is desirable, it may be history-merged with the target article or moved to mainspace and redirected.

Templates are rarely orphaned—that is, removed from pages that transclude them—before the discussion is closed. A list of open discussions eligible for closure can be found at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Old unclosed discussions.

Closing discussion[edit]

Administrators should read the closing instructions before closing a nomination. Note that WP:XFDcloser semi-automates this process and ensures all of the appropriate steps are taken.

Current discussions[edit]

February 6[edit]


February 5[edit]

Template:Pp-reset[edit]

These three unused templates are redundant to {{pp}}. See the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Protection policy. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:46, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Redirect / Delete No point having duplicate templates to maintain especially when I am not aware of a single page which has been office protected (I am only aware of it through the policy page), so its not as if they are used often either. Terasail[✉️] 00:16, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    On second thought, I think these templates should be left as they are. The module which creates these appears to directly check which template is being called in order to serve the correct banner and since they are individually selected based on which template is transcluded it is probably best to keep things the way they are unless a better solution is provided (I am not the best with modules so I may have misunderstood the nuance of the module here though). Terasail[✉️] 00:30, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Khulna-Dhaka line[edit]

All three BothUseddenim (talk) 01:01, 2 February 2023 (UTC) unused. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:00, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Both could be added to Khulna railway station (although they should be cleaned up). Useddenim (talk) 01:04, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 22:24, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Fatehabad–Kaptai line[edit]

Unused with no articles for use. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:55, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Delete; without station and line articles there's nothing to navigate. Mackensen (talk) 00:09, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Could go on List of railway lines in Bangladesh. Useddenim (talk) 01:36, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 21:55, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Edmonton–Drumheller train map[edit]

Unused. Just a route of the train stops in local communities instead of stations. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:57, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Comment. Via Rail discontinued the Edmonton–Drumheller service in 1981. The concept is notable but the template needs an article. Mackensen (talk) 00:16, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 20:12, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:UGM Bus Route[edit]

Unused. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:26, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I will attach it to UGM Wikipedia to explain the University Bus Route. It's not the same with Trans Jogja since it only serves the university. So Keep the template as valuable information and need many contributions to developing it. Thoriq85 (talk) 07:37, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 20:11, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Guerneville Branch[edit]

Unused. No links to route stations or a mainspace for use. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:43, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 20:11, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Bakersfield Subdivision[edit]

Unused with no articles for use. The mainspace article link is a redirect to this template. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:58, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 20:11, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Black Butte Subdivision[edit]

Unused. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:59, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

They are all linked from a respective template. Normally, rail templates are to be used on articles. It doesn't make sense why railway templates need to be linked from another rail template when if they if links to articles exist on respective templates. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:31, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 20:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Olive Subdivision[edit]

All unused. I added the River Subdivision to the main Metrolink article before realizing it was the wrong place. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:27, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Keep. These are all transclusionless templates with valid inbound links from the article space (and other templates). I've added {{transclusionless}} to all five. Mackensen (talk) 00:25, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 20:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:PNR Northrail[edit]

Unused. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:40, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 20:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:2000 Summer Olympics men's football group A standings[edit]

unused after being merged with the parent article with attribution. Frietjes (talk) 17:19, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Stong oppose: These templates were created – I may not have created these, but I have created many similar ones – in order to minimize maintenance and maximize completeness of articles, so that updates only had to be done in one place, and that completeness could be obtained by a small effort (transcluding the template). Has someone actually gone through the trouble of duplicating the code in them in order to maximize maintenance? That should be reverted. And which article is "the parent article"? Each template was obviously transcluded by more than one article. Total madness. Geez. HandsomeFella (talk) 17:44, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    no duplication, the parent article is Football at the 2000 Summer Olympics – Men's tournament which has <section /> for WP:LST. madness is having over 30 templates when you can use WP:LST and have all the match information in one place. Frietjes (talk) 20:46, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:2006 Winter Olympics men's ice hockey group A standings[edit]

unused after being merged with the parent article with attribution. Frietjes (talk) 17:19, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:2006 Winter Olympics women's ice hockey group A standings[edit]

unused after being merged with the parent article with attribution. Frietjes (talk) 17:19, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:PLAAF Civilian cadre badges[edit]

Single-article content with no template parameters. Subst and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:37, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:San Gabriel Subdivision[edit]

Unused. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:50, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:06, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Downlink selected page[edit]

Similar to the two discussions below this banner contributes to banner blindness while contributing very little other than advertising the newsletter. To see the problem in action you can look at basically any page where this template is used such as Talk:International Space Station where there are ten other banners that are more important than this one. --Trialpears (talk) 00:59, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Indonesian selected picture[edit]

I thought all of these were deleted, but apparently not. We don't really do selected X banners for portals any more because the banners were deemed to contribute to banner blindness while having very little value with their main use being to advertise the portal. This template is also only used once. --Trialpears (talk) 00:53, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:NI selected image[edit]

I thought all of these were deleted, but apparently not. We don't really do selected X banners for portals any more because the banners were deemed to contribute to banner blindness while having very little value with their main use being to advertise the portal. This template is also only used once. --Trialpears (talk) 00:53, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

February 4[edit]

Template:Alabama year nav[edit]

All these year navboxes for U.S. states link to categories of the year in the respective state and not to articles. And the articles these are used on are completely wrong and irrelevant. Per the discussion Alaska year nav on January 15 they all have been replaced by Template:Year in US state category which are used on the respective cats for the year in each U.S. state. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:51, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@WikiCleanerMan: While your evaluation is likely correct about most of the included templates, I wanted to mention an exception: Michigan's. Michigan's year navigation box has a majority of its links direct to articles covering said year in Michigan, not simply categories. RoundSquare (talk) 01:04, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for catching that. It had the year nav title hence why I made this error. I have removed it. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:06, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Kremenets Raion (former)[edit]

Unused and current blue links have been replaced by Template:Kremenets Raion or Template:Ternopil Oblast. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:41, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Taiwan Area[edit]

Unused transclusion to article Free area of the Republic of China. Created in 2016. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:32, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Beersheba suburban railway map[edit]

Unused with no articles for use. Just links of railway stations instead of a railway route. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:01, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Could be placed in Railway to Beersheba#Passenger service. Useddenim (talk) 00:42, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:01, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:South Ferry RDT[edit]

Unused. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:59, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 18:01, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Altamont Branch[edit]

Unused with no articles for use. All links are train/railway stations rather than a route which is what these templates are usually for rather than listing stations. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:28, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 18:01, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Distinguish[edit]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was keep. I think it's fairly obvious which way this is ending; closing early to get rid of the "see TFD" indication that's showing up on thousands of pages. Hog Farm Talk 21:16, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deprecate, replace with more useful and meaningful alternatives, e.g. {{about}} and {{for}}. This template is not helpful: first off, nothing is to be confused with anything else. Secondly, it's not clear from the hatnote which of the two things is which. E.g. if one uses {{for}}, then it's clear that the article I am about to read is about a singer and not a baseball player, so I immediately know to go to the article about the baseball player. Third, the when to use documentation still proves a weak use case, which is mostly related to misspellings. In practice, this is used for all kinds of kinda/sorta similar spellings, but to use the example from the documentation, if one sees a {{Distinguish}} hatnote at Coma that reads "not to be confused with Comma" (again, nothing is to be confused), then wouldn't it be more helpful to use {{for}} and have something like "For the typographical character, see comma" or {{about}} reading something like "This article is about the medical condition. For the typographical character, see Comma"? I see no use case where this is superior to a more specific hatnote. To use a final real-world example, the subtle distinction between Anarchism and Anarchy is not really explained by the hatnote: you'll have to read the article and suss out the difference, whereas something like "This article is about the political philosophy advocating a stateless society, for a state of affairs where there is no government, see Anarchy" be more helpful? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:07, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Keep - There are definitely real-world examples in which {{Distinguish}} is better than an alternative. To use your example, if one uses {{for}} to distinguish between say "John Smith (singer)" and "John Smith (baseball player)" (assuming that these are the only two people with that name), then you would be adding unnecessary explanation to the hatnote. Since there would only be two people with the same name, you don't need a hatnote saying "For the baseball player, see John Smith (baseball player)".
    Second of all, "nothing is to be confused with anything else" is just wrong; sometimes, there are things that may be confused with each other because of similarity in names. For example, Lisa Marie (actress) was just recently confused with Lisa Marie Presley. They are both actresses who were both born in the same year, so a more specific hatnote would not help at all, and a {{distinguish}} hatnote pointing from Lisa Marie (actress) is Lisa Marie Presley is decidedly appropriate. – Epicgenius (talk) 17:22, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    ""nothing is to be confused with anything else" is just wrong; sometimes, there are things that may be confused with each other because of similarity in names" They are not to be confused. Nothing here is supposed to be confusing. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:12, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep. There's like over 91,000 uses of this hatnote so deprecation would be highly disruptive. – wbm1058 (talk) 17:28, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Speedy keep - Seems pretty clearly useful. See the reasons provided above by Epicgenius - Tenpop421 (talk) 17:28, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I'm sure no one cares, but every wikipedia user now sees an absolutely useless ‹See Tfd› link to this page instead of an actual template. Please do something about it. Wurzel91 (talk) 17:36, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep, high use template. Also, as Wurzel91 said, the "See Tfd" is pretty annoying. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 17:54, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep no point in getting rid of this template, and "See TfD" is very annoying --Tbf69 18:21, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep. To cite an use case I just applied yesterday, Mathematica Inc. was a software company active in one form or another from 1968 to 1991. Contrary to popular belief (and there are secondary sources from the period that say they were often confused) they had no hand in the development of Wolfram Research's immediately popular Mathematica software, released in 1988. Using a hatnote like {{For}} would result in something clunky-sounding, like This article is about the software company. For the software package which this company had no part in developing, see Wolfram Mathematica. When Not to be confused with Wolfram Mathematica is shorter and to the point. DigitalIceAge (talk) 18:24, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Speedy keep. Of course, there are some cases where more specific templates are desirable, but there are plenty where it's not. Also has 90k transclusions, making the <<See Tfd>> very disruptive. Clyde!Franklin! 18:28, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep of course, reasons for deletion are not compelling. —Locke Cole • t • c 18:32, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep per Epicgenius and DigitalIceAge. There are plenty of times where {{distinguish}} would be necessary and preferred over {{about}} or {{for}}. In any case, if an editor wants to change {{distinguish}} to a better template than it can simply be done on a case by case basis for each article. 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 18:44, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep – per Epicgenius who can explain it better than I ever can. I echo that "nothing is to be confused with anything else" is just incorrect. ~~lol1VNIO (I made a mistake? talk to me) 19:24, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Speedy keep per Epicgenius. If there are no supports/replies for delete after one day I think this can be closed. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:03, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep, to take one real world example, there have been at least four association football clubs called Clydebank, founded in 1874, 1914, 1965, and 2003. Not only does it help to remind which one you are reading, but it is also an instant indication that the club you may have found information for from the 1930s is not the same one as you have found information for from the 1970s. In Vitrio (talk) 20:09, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • keep; no one cares about this discussion, but as said before, the >See Tfd< is highly annoying. Gott (talk) 20:25, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Snow close you could improve {{distinguish}} by adding |about= to it. If you want to replace it, you'd need to add |distinguish=, |distinguish1=, |distinguish2=, |distinguish3=, ... to {{about}}; slotting it it between the "about" portion and the "for" list. As {{about}} does not support such, there's no way to currently replace it. -- 64.229.90.199 (talk) 20:47, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Strong keep: This template is used in almost a hundred thousand articles and is definitely useful. Of course, you can use other, similar templates, but this one is kind of like a catch-all. Deleting this template would cause a lot of red-links to appear and it would take quite a while to replace them. Also, "see tfd" is annoying. from Piperium (chit-chat, i did that) at 21:03, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Speedy keep. Obvious case of WP:SNOW. What kind of tortured reasoning is "nothing is to be confused with anything else"? Phiarc (talk) 21:06, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What is confusing about the reasoning? Nothing is supposed to be confused with anything else, so writing that is just an obvious statement. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:13, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Strong keep, assertion by nominator that this templated is "not helpful" is, frankly, absurd. Dmoore5556 (talk) 21:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

Template:RfCU-OS[edit]

No transclusions, documentation, incoming links from discussions, or categories. Does not appear in any template code. Created in 2009. {{RfCU-OS-links}} exists and is used. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:10, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Sir or madam[edit]

No transclusions, documentation, incoming links from discussions, or categories. Created in 2015. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:08, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Delete per nom. Partofthemachine (talk) 19:51, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:WikiProject Proposalsubst[edit]

No transclusions, documentation, or template parameters. One link from a 2009 discussion where this template was proposed for use, but it does not appear to have been adopted. {{WikiProject Proposal}} appears to be substable, per its documentation and recent use. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:49, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Comment it's a preload template, so should never be transcluded, and never have template parameters. -- 64.229.90.199 (talk) 21:06, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Delete per nom, as it dumps a subst statement into the project proposal page, instead of a skeleton, as what one would expect from a preload template. -- 64.229.90.199 (talk) 21:12, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:27, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:WikiProject Topicons topicon[edit]

Topicon for WikiProject that never existed. No transclusions. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:48, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Wikimedia projects[edit]

No transclusions, documentation, categories, incoming links from discussions, or template parameters. Created in 2013. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:44, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Wikipedia editor navigation shortened[edit]

No transclusions, documentation, categories, or incoming links from discussions. Created in January 2022. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:44, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:2023 WTA 125 tournaments[edit]

Right now, just a collection of red links. Liz Read! Talk! 02:16, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Liz,
Those red links you mention are for tournaments that are scheduled to take place this season. The pages for those tournaments have not been created yet - but will. There is a working link for Copa Oster - currently taking place in Cali. They will be created throughout the season. The red links will therefore become live/"working" throughout the season, as each page is created.
Just as an example, have a look at the following templates
- 2023 WTA Tour
- 2023 ATP Tour
They also have red links for tournaments that have not yet taken place and working links for current and past tournaments. So very similar to this template.
As I'm sure you know, there are multiple pages with red links on Wikipedia. It just means that the page to that link has not been created yet. I don't see why that should be the sole reason to deleting a template that many people are familiar with and find it useful. 0add0n (talk) 15:27, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

February 3[edit]

Template:1980 Winter Olympics United States men's ice hockey team roster[edit]

unused after being merged with the parent article with attribution. Frietjes (talk) 20:37, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:1996 Summer Olympics men's basketball group A standings[edit]

unused after being merged with the parent article with attribution. Frietjes (talk) 20:37, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Leadcite comment[edit]

This either needs to be significantly re-written, or it needs to be deleted. I think re-writing will make it pointless, so I suggest deletion instead.

The problem is that the template claims "No citations are required in the article lead per MOS:LEADCITE, as long as the content is cited in the article body", but the named guideline says the opposite. Specifically, LEADCITE says that contentious facts about BLPs must be cited in the lead even if it's additionally cited in the body of the article (look for the bold, italicized word every in the guideline). LEADCITE also explicitly says there is no special exemption for any content in the lead. (The FAC rules, WP:When to cite, say that once per page is enough, but LEADCITE doesn't say that.)

Finally, there's the problem that it says all information in the lead should be repeated in the body. There is quite a lot of basic contextualization information that isn't. Cutthroat trout, which is a Featured Article, begins with the claim that "The cutthroat trout (Oncorhynchus clarkii) is a fish species of the family Salmonidae", and this fact is not – and shouldn't be – repeated in the body of the article. If you want to cite that, it's going to have to be cited in the lead.

What might be possible for a boilerplate comment is to say something like "You can find the citation for this claim in the ==Named section== below. We talked about this at <link to archived discussion> and decided that providing the citation in the body of the article was sufficient." WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:51, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@WhatamIdoing: This template isn't meant to be used on all or even most articles. I created it because there were some articles that were getting a significant number of {{cn}} tags added to the lead because people were unaware of the LEADCITE guideline. It intentionally isn't worded to apply to every possible situation. I've explained this at the template's talkpage as well. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:17, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
When editors, especially newer ones, read a message in a template, they assume that it is completely correct. This template appears to have been subst:d into 48 articles, most of which are biographies and/or contentious subjects like Nazi concentration camps, Nannygate, and Doctors' plot. These are exactly the kinds of articles that MOS:LEADCITE doesn't support omitting requested citations. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:45, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This appears to have been used just about 50 times. Izno (talk) 21:58, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete or reword. The template should properly reflect Wikipedia guidance or else should be deleted. In its talk page, I started a couple of discussions to attempt to have it reworded, to no avail. Cheers! Thinker78 (talk) 22:26, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

February 2[edit]

Template:Club Atlético Zacatepec squad[edit]

club is not active; no need for current squad template Joeykai (talk) 23:26, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Canadian party colour[edit]

Propose merging Template:Canadian party colour with Template:Party color.
I have just come across this template, and others relating to it, and believe that its content can be merged into the widely-used "party colour" template. I understand that some users may be hesitant towards using the widely-used one, but it makes things simpler and memorable, instead of if there were party colour templates for each and every country. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 22:33, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support idea but not as proposed. Eventhough the name of Template:Canadian party colour suggests it returns a color, that is in fact, not true, as it has multiple options it can return, including a color. The color template is actually Template:Canadian party colour/colour. That said, I agree that handling all information in Module:Political party is correct. This just means that any handling of this template will need additionaly to decouple the usages of this template into the more standard Party x family of templates that are used for other countries. Gonnym (talk) 22:42, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment. This merger proposal has pretty much broken tons of page this template is used on such as List of prime ministers of Canada. Given that thousands of pages are affected by this template, is there anything we can do so it continues to render properly with the tag? —WildComet talk 23:48, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment. All pages using this template are now broken because of the merger proposal. Suggest rolling back the template page for the duration of the discussion. Kiwichris (talk) 00:05, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose: Despite what the template is named, it does much more than simply return a colour: it's also instrumental in the formating of election results tables, and even used to generate party names for infoboxes. Even the colour return is a bit more complicated than it initially appears, since it's also used to generate colours for common historical non-party designations, which often come in various permutations — sure, you could have Template:Party colour make Labour candidates and parties in Canada return the label "Labour" and the colour pink, but Template:Canadian party colour allows Wikipedia to preserve the precise name they ran under (which could be "Labour", or "Farmer-Labour, "Independent Labour", "Federated Labour", etc). As such, this proposal isn't as simple as just replacing one template with another; the way Template:Canadian party colour is used would require large changes to huge numbers of pages, changes that I imagine go beyond simple automation. I can see that, sure, it may not have been the ideal to have a country-specific template, or to set it up like this, but why fix what isn't broken? — Kawnhr (talk) 00:10, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment: As the one who proposed this merger, I apologise for causing pages to be broken. @Kawnhr: You do realise that you can add party names that return the colour of a different party, right? For example, if you add "Democratic Liberal Party" in the party colour, it will return the colour for "New Korea Party", as they used the same colour. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 11:50, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment: In general, I like standardizing things like this. As other users observed, the merger would only replace Template:Canadian party colour/colour, not the entire functionality of the template. But I'm most worried about complicating Template:Canadian election result. Now, it can be used with a simple input like {{CANelec|NL|Liberal|John Doe|1,000,000}}. Would we have to change that to something like {{CANelec|Liberal Party (Newfoundland and Labrador)|John Doe|1,000,000}} on all 13,000 pages, or would we find a way to convert short inputs to the inputs needed for the global party color module? —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 17:04, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:1928 Summer Olympics men's field hockey group A standings[edit]

unused after being merged with the parent article with attribution. Frietjes (talk) 16:02, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:1988 Summer Olympics Australia men's basketball team roster[edit]

unused after being merged with the parent article with attribution. Frietjes (talk) 16:02, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:1988 Summer Olympics men's basketball group A standings[edit]

unused after being merged with the parent article with attribution. Frietjes (talk) 16:02, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:1988 Summer Olympics women's basketball group A standings[edit]

unused after being merged with the parent article with attribution. Frietjes (talk) 16:02, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:1988 Summer Olympics Australia men's basketball team roster[edit]

unused after being merged with the parent article with attribution. Frietjes (talk) 16:02, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Lefticon[edit]

No transclusions, categories, or incoming links from discussions. The template appears to put the first unnamed parameter inside div tags, which does not seem particularly useful and does not appear to match the template's name. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:58, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:FC Edmonton squad[edit]

team is not active; no need for current squad template Joeykai (talk) 05:54, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

February 1[edit]

Template:Topicwpphil[edit]

Old test page, originally intended for WikiProject philosophy in 2008 but never fully implemented. requested to take to TfD instead of CSD due to age. - car chasm (talk) 21:02, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:19, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment: This template appears to have been working reasonably well. It was removed by the nominator from pages it had been used in, in edits like this. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:07, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It was apparently intended to link Category talk pages together, part of a project of some sort abandoned by its creator in 2008, several years before they stopped editing. It was only used on two pages, and everyone in Wikiproject philosophy just uses the main project talk page, but there are plenty of other templates that link various philosophy articles together. - car chasm (talk) 07:48, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:1984 Summer Olympics Yugoslavia men's football team roster[edit]

unused after being merged with the parent article with attribution. Frietjes (talk) 19:25, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:1952 Summer Olympics men's basketball game A1[edit]

unused after being merged with the parent article with attribution. Frietjes (talk) 15:41, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Lowres[edit]

This template for use in File: space appears to be redundant to {{Non-free use rationale album cover}} or {{Non-free video cover}} or {{Non-free album cover}}. I admit that I do not understand the differences among all of these fair-use rationale templates, but this one, created in 2007 and used on only four pages, does not appear to have kept up with modern usage. – Jonesey95 (talk) 08:02, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Delete - This template is outdated and redundant to the non-free use rationale templates noted in the nomination. Of the four files that use this template, three of the files also have a standard non-free use rationale template. I added a non-free use rationale template to the fourth file so deletion of this template will not cause any issues with a missing rationale on any of these files. -- Whpq (talk) 21:29, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:21, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Election box candidate ranked choice with party link[edit]

No transclusions. Template is marked as obsolete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:38, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Intellectualism[edit]

Ill-defined template with no clear purpose, parent article Intellectualism is an unfocused stub that only cites dictionary entries and two seemingly unrelated subtopics, and template appears to be about multiple different topics that happen to share the same word. - car chasm (talk) 04:37, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Disenchantment (TV series)[edit]

Only links four articles other than the main one, navbox is not needed. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:28, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:12, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:MBTA Commuter Rail map[edit]

Removed from the mainspace per the edit description "RDT not needed - far too complicated and twisted to be useful." Otherwise, delete if not applicable to another article. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:08, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:MAX Light Rail RDT[edit]

Outdated and not needed on Max Light Rail. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:07, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

January 31[edit]

Template:LEN Champions League Performance by clubs[edit]

Formerly single-use that has been substituted on European Cup, Euroleague and LEN Champions League records and statistics. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:54, 31 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:IDF Enlisted ranks[edit]

Unused. More detailed charts exist on Israel Defense Forces ranks. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:52, 31 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Finch Central LRT[edit]

Had added it to the Line 6 Finch West article before removal. According to the edit summary that the Central line has not been announced possibly making this an OR route. As stated on the article "none of the proposed extensions have been funded for design or construction". WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:41, 31 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep. This section of the line is not OR, it was part of the original Transit City plan. The stops marked in the template can be seen in the image in this article.[1] BLAIXX 02:44, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, should we add it back and have a section about the Central line? --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:17, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Family of Michelle Robinson Obama[edit]

Replaced usages as a navbox with the Michelle Obama navbox I created which does a better job of connecting articles of family members than a tree chart using the navbox parameter with transclusion. Substituted this on the main article on the Obama family and works better as an inline collapsible chart instead of a bloated template. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:24, 31 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Obama family tree[edit]

Substituted this with credit given to the creator on the Family of Barack Obama article. Was single-use and works better as an inline collapsible chart instead of a bloated template. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:21, 31 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:1952 Summer Olympics men's water polo game E1-1[edit]