Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs

How to describe sound/music?

Anyone knows how to describe the sound or structure from a song? Sometimes there are some unique sounds or structures in music and no one pay attention to it. There are a few general words from music theory, but for me, it's not enough. I mean, some people can feel some emotion to a particular sound. Basic tags such as "uplifting" etc. are not enough to find more examples of such music - sometimes there is something cool in one song, and you want to find it in other songs, but there is no way to describe it so further research is impossible. Eurohunter (talk) 15:19, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

This is awfully vague to give much of an answer, so I think all I can say is either use the music glossary for help and use direct quotes from reliable sources when necessary? Sergecross73 msg me 15:22, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

@Sergecross73: Yes, but it fits more to "ancient" than "modern" music and for example you can listen 1000 tracks described as "mysterious" or "emotional" and you can't find "this" thing which you heard in one particular song. There are a lot of examples I'm looking for, and I can't find any more tracks like them. I also tried to check how particular song is described by critics in its reviews, but often not found anything interesting. Eurohunter (talk) 15:41, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

I personally just direct quote or paraphrase descriptions reliable sources say about songs/albums. I don't have any other advice to give. Sergecross73 msg me 15:58, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

@Sergecross73: I mean my perspective is to actually find music first then write article on Wikipedia about. Eurohunter (talk) 13:19, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Why doesn't "just using the descriptions reliable sources use" work with that? Sergecross73 msg me 14:06, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

@Sergecross73: I will show you an example. I just found this example and there is really no way to find exactly this vibe in more tracks. Eurohunter (talk) 17:31, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps I need to restart my argument to better illustrate where I'm coming from. You, as an editor, should not be interpreting and describing the music in your own words. That would be original research and is not allowed. You need to find reliable sources that describe the songs themselves, and either direct quote the reliable source, or paraphrase how they describe it (while adding it as a source). If you can't find reliable sources describing the music, then you shouldn't be writing about a song's sound. You should not be listening to Youtube songs and wondering how you personally would describe it. Sergecross73 msg me 17:39, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@Sergecross73: Describing songs and editing articles are two different things, and I wouldn't mix them. Apart from this, you need to know the song exists then you can find sources and write article about "The Way I Are", "Freaky Like Me" or "Remember the Name" etc.. Eurohunter (talk) 18:13, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't know if it's a language barrier or something, but I'm struggling to follow what exactly you're talking about here. Perhaps someone else will be able to understand and help you better. Sergecross73 msg me 18:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@Eurohunter Excuse me if I've also misunderstood, but it's starting to sound like this topic doesn't belong here. If your concern is not to do with editing articles and just with describing songs in other context such as a conversation, then a Wikipedia talk page is not the place to bring it up. We're here to discussing Wikipedia editing and operation only. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 22:26, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@QuietHere: @Sergecross73: I meant something other. If there are no sources describing that song, there is no article on Wikipedia. I'm in a place where I can't find song, then I can't find sources about it, and finally I can't write an article on Wikipedia. For example, If I discovered this track I can now search for sources and write an article about it on Wikipedia (track only added as example and there are no sources about). Eurohunter (talk) 15:43, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

So you're struggling to find sources for a song, I see that. Is searching by the artist's and song's name not good enough? If you did that and nothing came up, perhaps sourcing just doesn't exist. The example you shared was only released eight days ago on YouTube, and just two days ago on Spotify, so perhaps reliable publications just haven't gotten around to covering it yet. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 15:52, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@QuietHere: No, it's wider. I'm struggling to find song first. Eurohunter (talk) 18:04, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

@Sergecross73: I just could explain it in this way. If you have some song that you like, and it has some characteristic part, so you would like to find more examples, but you don't know how to call it to find more songs with such part. Eurohunter (talk) 18:42, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

This doesn't sound like a question related to editing Wikipedia... Sergecross73 msg me 19:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Sergecross73: Yes, it's a wider question, but without knowledge there is no Wikipedia. If you have knowledge, then you can find sources. Eurohunter (talk) 18:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

I think you may be better off letting this one go. I don't think you're gonna get the response you're looking for here, given it's been multiple months and the only respondents so far have both been more confused than anything about what you're asking about and why it's relevant here. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 21:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Move request for Silver Train (song)

An editor has requested that Silver Train (song) be moved to Silver Train, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. Aoeuidhtns (talk) 14:49, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Dark Eyes' origin?

A discussion Talk:Dark Eyes (Russian song)#Sindo Garay got stalled and can benefit from extra eyes looking at the issue. In short, some Cuban musician in his interview apparently claimed the authorship of very well-known Dark Eyes (Russian song). No independent claims (either confirming or denying it) exist, but Lute88 insists on the current version of the text that describes this WP:EXTRAORDINARY claim based on the interview with the claiming side alone (primary, non-independent source). If you are interested, please join the discussion using the link in the first sentence (Talk:Dark Eyes (Russian song)#Sindo Garay). Викидим (talk) 05:59, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

B-checklist in project template

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council § Determining the future of B-class checklists. This project is being notified since it is one of the 82 WikiProjects that opted-in to support B-checklists (B1-B6) in your project banner. DFlhb (talk) 11:54, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Vocal type

How is this type of vocal called? (0:51-1:14) Eurohunter (talk) 18:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

It's most likely heavy reverb and delay. It's also sounds either pitch shifted, or formant shifted. Captainbratwurst (talk) 23:38, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Inertia article

Since AJR's song "Inertia" got a music video yesterday, i'm thinking of making an article for it. Should I? ThatOneWheatleyGuy (talk) 17:28, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@ThatOneWheatleyGuy: Do you have reliable sources that show that the song is notable? I suggest reading WP:YFA if you do decide to go through with it regardless. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{blaze__wolf} 17:29, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

I'll try and find some sources, thanks for the tips. ThatOneWheatleyGuy (talk) 18:40, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Death on Two Legs (Dedicated to...)#Requested move 7 December 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Death on Two Legs (Dedicated to...)#Requested move 7 December 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 12:21, 7 December 2023 (UTC)