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Last updated: 12 December 2017

Planet Nine

Hi! I saw today that JPL likes your Planet Nine image over CalTech! The Super-Earth that Came Home for Dinner October 4, 2017, nothing new, but a good summary, and hopefully some good winter observing coming up for P9's most likely sky patches. Tom Ruen (talk) 20:35, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Hah! Nice one. I'd never have suspected that that image would be used in so many publications, but it's even more surprising that NASA would choose to use it, considering that they had previously been using the Caltech/R. Hurt image which we basically copied! nagualdesign 23:18, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

..A few more links: 1 2 3 - Looks like I'll have to email The Sun and the Daily Mail to get proper credit, as they seem to think that Caltech and NASA own the copyright. [Update: Done.] nagualdesign 23:23, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I've seen a number of copies over the last year+, mostly secondary media. Some usages also credit as NASA. I'll at least remove my name as author from the credits, and see if it disappears on future usages. File:Planet nine artistic plain.png Perhaps you'd like to put your real name as author, or contact information? I've had media sources request usage of various wikipedia images I've uploaded. Tom Ruen (talk) 00:00, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

No need to remove your name, Tom. That image was a team effort. In future I'll definitely pay more attention to licensing and wotnot though. It's kind of annoying when people don't give credit where it's due. nagualdesign 04:00, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

After some coaxing The Sun added a proper attribution. I see that you've already removed your name from the image description page but I asked them to mention you anyway. I think that's fair. On the other hand, despite several emails back and forth, the Daily Mail don't seem to give a damn about copyright violation. (Linked and bolded for all to see.) They have told me, "We are looking into the concerns you have raised and will revert once our investigation is complete." I'll have to remember that excuse if I ever get caught breaking the law. "Sorry officer, I'll begin looking into the concerns you've raised and I'll be sure to stop just as soon as my investigation is complete!" nagualdesign 15:12, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Interesting! At least you're making them spend time on it. I've never needed to communicate to a newspaper, but perhaps lucky because I'm "easy", and do have my name easily available. Thanks for including me, it is fun, I'll restore me! Probably I've mainly been directly contacted for book diagrams or photos for permission. I did challenge a grad student once for using some images on her website, but only because she had credit for lots of other people. And she was mortified and quickly added attribution. Tom Ruen (talk) 16:25, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I have no reason to believe that they're doing anything. I even pointed them in the direction of two of their own previous articles (1 and 2) where the images were (almost) properly attributed, as well as providing links to the image file pages on Commons, but alas they're not the sort of journalists who are adept at investigation. Still, if I ever need to know what one of the Kardashians had for breakfast I'm sure they'll be on it like white on rice. nagualdesign 17:17, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Agreed, lots of evidence the DailyMail [1] and The Sun are crappy news sources with no integrity, and as long as people read them, they don't have to care. Tom Ruen (talk) 02:59, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Another article, The Atlantic, Is Planet Nine Even Real? Ramin Skibba Dec 8, 2017. I saw it because of a tweet from Konstantin Batygin [2], saying The short answer is 'yes'. Tom Ruen (talk)

We're world famous, Tom! You and me are living the dream! You know, the modern, shallow, narcissistic dream.

..Speaking of shameless self-promotion, do you mind if I add my name as co-author of File:Oumuamua orbit at perihelion.png? nagualdesign 06:58, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

:D Please do!!! Tom Ruen (talk) 07:46, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I added you. One note, no harm in a highest resolution version since wikipedia resizes copies on use, even scaling larger, which is silly. Like [3] scales UP at least to 9000 pixels I tested. Tom Ruen (talk) 07:51, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. The reason I reduced the image size was because the file size had become bloated (599 KB) due to the gradual fades along the orbital paths and the glow of the Sun. I know that Wikimedia doesn't mind storing large files (hence me uploading both the large and reduced versions) but some of the users who download it just to take a closer look might not appreciate it eating into their data allowance, and there's very little benefit viewing the larger version at 100% (unless you like looking at really thick lines and massive text!) - you actually have to zoom back out a bit to see it properly. The large version's still available for further editing or printing (almost 11" × 15" @ 300dpi).

We make a good team, you and I, Tom. You set 'em up, I'll knock 'em down. I wonder if we'll see this one in the Daily Fail? (Yep, that's a bona fide redirect.) I look forward to our next collaboration. nagualdesign 08:21, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

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Policy

What policy was I breaking when you reverted my contribution? My use of demarcation, a word you obviously did not look up as well as you could have? The noun demarcation means frontier, boundary or dividing line.

People are not gonna think the Greeks have a underworld colony 6 kilomateres beneath the surface of the ocean, I would have thought "mythological" would have been implied. 50.64.119.38 (talk) 18:20, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

You weren't breaking any policy. As stated in my edit summary, and as you have pointed out above, 'demarcation' means a boundary or dividing line (or the drawing of such a line). I looked it up. The Hadal zone is the region of ocean below ~6km. In this case, the demarcation would be the boundary between the abyysopelagic and the hadopelagic (at ~6km) but not either of the zones themselves.

As for what people reading the article might think, you'd be surprised at how people can take things the wrong way! If it were an article about Greek mythology the phrase probably wouldn't cause any problems, but in an article about the deep, dare I say mysterious ocean depths, the phrase "Greek underworld" might well be mistaken for something else entirely. Better to err on the side of caution when catering for a wide audience. There is a policy to support using layman's terms in article leads, though I can't remember the link.

And thank you for correcting laying → lying. Good call. nagualdesign 18:39, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

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'''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.3em; letter-spacing:-0.07em; line-height:1em;">[[User:nagualdesign|<font color="#000000">nagual</font>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<font color="#ABAB9D">design</font>]]</span>''' → nagualdesign

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'''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.3em; letter-spacing:-0.07em; line-height:1em;">[[User:nagualdesign|<span style="color: #000000;">nagual</span>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<span style="color: #ABAB9D;">design</span>]]</span>''' → nagualdesign

Respectfully, Anomalocaris (talk) 23:09, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

 Done Thank you for making that incredibly easy. Regards, nagualdesign 19:48, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! —Anomalocaris (talk) 14:13, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

@Anomalocaris: I've reconfigured my signature to compress the code (from 246 characters to 189):

<b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS; letter-spacing:-0.07em;">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000000;">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D;">design</b>]]</b>

Please let me know if it causes any problems. No need to reply if it doesn't. Cheers. nagualdesign 04:42, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

It's fine. If you want to save 3 more characters, change color:#000000; to color:#000;. If you want to save 3 more characters, remove the 2 final semicolons and the space after Trebuchet MS;. —Anomalocaris (talk) 05:23, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

 Done I actually managed to remove 3 semicolons, so that's shaved another 7 chars off, making my signature 26% smaller than it was 24 hours ago! Thanks again. nagualdesign 06:28, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

FYI

Photofit of User:nagualdesign

You've been accused of sockpuppetry, lol. 32.218.39.102 (talk) 15:33, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Huh? What for? And who by? nagualdesign 15:50, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Check the link above. Makes no sense to me. 32.218.39.102 (talk) 15:55, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Ahh... Looking at the page history I see that it was User:Kintetsubuffalo. He's an odd fellow. Never mind. Are you 32.218.36.178 by any chance? Or if not, how did you find out about this? The first I heard was you telling me here. nagualdesign 16:08, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Dynamic IP. 32.218.39.102 (talk) 16:17, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

I see that your IP address here doesn't match my alleged sockpuppet account. What I meant is, looking at these contributions, is that your handiwork?

That IP address made an edit to Afroasiatic languages earlier that was similar to an edit I'd made, which Kintetsubuffalo reverted. I say similar, it was actually different, but it seems like Kintetsubuffalo didn't appreciate it. The edit I'd made was actually identical to the one User:Landroving Linguist had made previously, so I'm surprized that we weren't accused of being each other's sockpuppets! It's funny, I've never been accused of sockpuppetry before.

For a potted history of Kintetsubuffalo's recent antics see this, which was closely followed by this. I hasten to add that I hadn't actually reported him to anybody, and User:Ad Orientem is not my sockpuppet! nagualdesign 16:43, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Are you sure? Or maybe you are my sockpuppet...-Ad Orientem (talk) 17:06, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for stepping in for me there! I'm still not quite sure what hit me. Your friendly not-quite sockpuppet, Landroving Linguist (talk) 17:53, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome. All we need now is for Lamb Chop to turn up for a full house! (Obviously I'm just talking to me, myself and I at this point.)

Thanks for admonishing Kintetsubuffalo, Ad Orientem. You saved me the trouble of having to report him.

Perhaps it's time to bring this to a close now as my feet are getting cold. nagualdesign 18:11, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Was this comment above ("He's an odd fellow meant as a joke that Kintetsubuffalo is in on? If not, please refrain from making such comments. Too close to a personal attack. Comment on edits, not editors, okay? Thanks. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 18:26, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Not a joke, no, but he certainly has some understanding of my opinions, and I think "odd fellow" is putting it mildly!

This isn't my first run-in with Kintetsubuffalo. He's one of the main reasons that I no longer frequent the Photography workshop, despite the fact that I'm a professional graphic designer with over 16 years of experience using Photoshop, as I can't be bothered with all the bullshit. I once tried politely asking him to stop requesting transparent PNG files and was met with a mix of stoney silence and outright rudeness. The matter eventually led to an RfC where I received wide support, but since nothing was ever officially codified he continued with his tendentious requests and I gave up trying to persuade him to stop.

As you can see on his talk page, Kintetsubuffalo thinks he's above Wikipedia's policies, but by the same token he likes to use those same policies to try and get his own way whenever necessary, which is alarmingly frequently. In other words he enjoys gaming the system. I say enjoys - he comes across as angry and bitter most of the time so I'm not sure how much enjoyment he actually gleans. I'm sure he'll love the fact that you've reacted to my comment above by reading me the riot act though.

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to highlight some of his behaviour, and for what it's worth I promise to try not to mention what a complete assh*le I think he is from now on. Sincerely, nagualdesign 19:35, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

November 2017

Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing.

Warning is in regard to this personal attack novella dedicated to one editor. You need to cool it. And probably either delete or strike the entire thing. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:55, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Winkelvi. I respectfully disagree. Expressing differences with an editor who has repeatedly pushed the boundaries of civility, see the note at the top of their talk page for starters, is not a personal attack in the way that I, and I think the community more broadly, has understood the term. Referring to someone who just told you to "f--- off" as an "odd fellow" strikes me as pretty restrained. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:14, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

@nagualdesign. A certain tolerance for venting is permitted on user talk pages, but I think that we have kinda reached that limit. I am not unsympathetic, and I think that there has been some provocation here, but unless you want to bring Kintetsubuffalo to ANI, I'd suggest that we all drop this particular stick and move on. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:33, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that my 'novella' was not a personal attack, it was a truthful account of this user's past behaviour. The only part which stretched the bounds of WP:NPA was my use of the a-word in the final sentence, which I think I was entitled to having been admonished for saying "an odd fellow". I might also point out that this contravenes WP:HSOCK and the requirements of WP:SPI, but in all honesty I'm not really that bothered since it gave me a bit of a giggle, and we can all now consider the stick to be well and truly dropped. And thank you again, Ad Orientem, for being a voice of reason. nagualdesign 03:47, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

PNG rendering issue

I'm wondering if you might have some insight into an issue brought up on Commons. Seems like it might overlap with stuff you've investigated before. --A Fellow Editor (talk) 23:26, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me, Kevin. (It is Kevin, isn't it?) I'll leave a message there. nagualdesign 23:35, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Welcome. Indeed 'tis I. After a bit of a break I decided to respawn as A Fellow Editor. I'm open to conversational contractions ... 'Fellow Editor' or 'AFE' perhaps ... I suppose 'Fellow Ed' might work as well ... Which I can see eventually getting pared down to 'Ed' at some point ... Simply 'A Fellow' may have fun dialog potential ... "A Fellow said ..." ... etc. :  } --A Fellow Editor (talk) 23:58, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Oh please, don't mention "A Fellow"! As you can see above, that sort of foul language is bordering on unacceptable. Let's not go there again. All the best, nagualdesign 00:11, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

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@The Traditionalist: I'm not sure if you noticed but the boilerplate text you posted above says, "If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed." However, you were the one that removed it and you didn't include an edit summary. Not that I'm complaining. I probably just cropped the image from File:Kenneth Clark historian.jpg following a request at the Photography Workshop, and it isn't a particularly good quality image anyway. I just thought it worth pointing out that if you are going to remove images and go to the trouble of notifying other editors (which I appreciate) perhaps it's also worth writing a brief edit summary. nagualdesign 00:31, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

@Nagualdesign: I removed the old picture because I was the one who uploaded the replacement.--The Traditionalist (talk) 00:35, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

One in one out, eh? I suppose that's as good a reason as any. nagualdesign 00:50, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Sigs

I went snooping about in your sig markup :  } --A Fellow Editor-- 23:42, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Well, you know what they say; imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. nagualdesign 00:43, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Had a good rummage about in your userpage title markup as well --A Fellow Editor-- 01:04, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

I thought I felt something! nagualdesign 01:05, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

:  } --A Fellow Editor-- 01:10, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Might I suggest a little more colour to make it pop? Something like A Fellow Editor to go with your user page, perhaps? nagualdesign 01:29, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

@A Fellow Editor: ...You've got me playing around with the layout of my own page now! Time for something new in time for the new year, maybe. I'll have to have a good think. nagualdesign 02:12, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

That's awesome! I was literally thinking about styling it w/ some sort of brown theme as I drifted off to sleep for a bit! Both to coincide w/ my present userpage theme and to differentiate it more from yours (one of my last thoughts after the preceding string of short post-n-replys was along the lines of, "Jeebus, if I don't tweak that a bit folks are gonna' accuse us of being socks!" LULZ.

(hadta' drop the drop shadow; character limits) --A Fellow Editor 08:33, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

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@Insertcleverphrasehere: Yes, I don't mind doing that. I'll have a read through the tutorial at some point this week. I should point out that I'm far from infallible though, as a couple of my recent interactions demonstrate, but I'll do my best. Regards, nagualdesign 19:24, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Horizons

If generic runs of JPL Horizons are deemed unreliable, that might affect numerous Oort cloud comet articles where the orbit *MUST* be computed at epochs when the comet is outside the planetary region (say epoch 1950 and epoch 2050). But I guess Wikipedia might define unreliable as how many mouse clicks are required to re-produce the results, ie big tables vs a simple orbital period.

If one was to look at the JPL SBDB for ʻOumuamua, I assume it would pass WP:CALC to say the Earth approach distance was known with an accuracy of 15000km or ±7500km. "(MAX-MIN) * AU = 13306km." See the table in 2012 TC4. -- Kheider (talk) 21:41, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

I tend to agree with you. I don't see a problem with using Horizons as long as we're conscientious when doing so. I would have added my support already, but since this is a policy issue and I'm not 100% confident with regards to policy issues I thought I'd wait for other more experienced editors to say their bit first.

You make a good point here, one that might be better suited to make at the RfC (if you haven't already done so). nagualdesign 22:23, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

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A thought on thoughts

Hi, I've got some ideas on 'wikis-&-wiki-culture' that may be 'growing legs' ... Would you like to start some dialog 'off wiki'? I could use an experienced sounding-board to help 'alpha test' and critique 'em before going 'public beta'. I've got my email link enabled on my userpage, and/or we could work out connecting via Discord (or Facebook Messenger, or … ?) --–A Fellow Editor– 19:44, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

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@Nagualdesign: Heh, you may want to explore Template:FBDB :  } ––A Fellow Editor– 12:45, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Nah.. As in general life, identifying the humour-impaired is a useful social process. If you have to append obvious humour, or even subtle humour, with "I'm joking" you don't really see the benefit. When I speak to people, especially people I've never met before, I can be very dry. Anyone that doesn't comprehend an obvious joke in spite of the dry delivery, or worse still takes me for some sort of idiot, has let me know that he or she is a bit of a bellend, and I needn't waste any more time and energy on them. I guess it may be a British thing. nagualdesign 13:52, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

LULZ ... Oh my ... Personally, I took the template itself as an "obvious joke in spite of the dry delivery" ... LLA ... To provide some context, I initially came across it in "User talk:Eeng#It's time to liven things up..." ... The irony is killin' me, my eyes are leaking :  } ––A Fellow Editor– 23:59, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Please forgive me

I edited your userpage. Sorry. I was about to start cleaning my monitor when I realized your userpage contained a dot that should not be there. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 23:28, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

You'll burn in the fiery pits of Hell for this! That dot was a special code, carefully placed as part of a secret communiqué. The exact distance between that dot and the corner of certain devices encoded data vital to a particular organization that shall remain nameless. nagualdesign 00:11, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

..Oh, sorry. I just checked; The dot you removed was just a stray full stop. Forget everything you read here. Ta. nagualdesign 00:11, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

I have asked Cullen328 to delete a page. *backs away slowly* (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 07:04, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. My left foot was starting to get rather cold. nagualdesign 07:10, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

You must be some kind of Collossus, with one foot on either side of the ocean. I think this was a decent solution. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 08:41, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Good thinking, Batman. nagualdesign 08:58, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Linking to BLP violating content at User talk:EEng

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