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**Where is our general discussion on How-to articles? I think we should have one and divide the how-tos into the sort we want and the sort we don't want -- having the nono-howtos then as speedy deleti
 
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See [[Wikipedia_talk:Votes for deletion#VOTE:_NEW_LAYOUT_FOR_VFD!]] for a vote on layout change.


== Decisions in progress ==
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=== May 23 ===
Please '''do not forget''' to add a [[Wikipedia:Boilerplate text#Listed for deletion|boilerplate deletion notice]], to any candidate page that does not already have one. (Putting ''<nowiki>{{msg:Vfd}}</nowiki>'' at the top of the page adds one automatically.)
====[[Kimberley Katherine Smith]]====
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===Subpages===
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====[[Hanyô]], [[Hanyou]], [[Hanyo]], [[Hanyoo]]====
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====[[Circumfetishism]]====
== Votes in progress ==
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=== Ongoing discussions ===
*All recipes proposed for deletion should be discussed at [[Talk:List of recipes/Delete]] (see also [[Wikipedia:Mailing lists|Wikien-l]])
*[[Unsolved problems in biology]] See [[Talk:Unsolved problems in biology]]
*[[List of Europeans]] & [[List of EU people]], see [[Talk:List of Europeans]] & [[Talk:List of EU people]]


====[[Glad]]====
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=== February 29 ===
====[[Kyb IE GetEmAll]]====
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*[[Harris family reunion association]]
**See [[Talk:Harris family reunion association]]


====[[AberSeeSaw]]====
*[[C. J. Everon]] and [[Justice Better Attained]] seem to be a self-promotion for an obscure author and their book. - [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] 00:29, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
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**Keep. Seems to be self-promotion for an obscure author and eir book. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 00:39, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Let me clarify. The author exists. The book exists. Obscurity is not a valid reason for deletion. Self-promotion, which may or may not be true, is also not a valid reason for deletion, and it can be fixed. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 04:30, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Del. --[[User:Wik|Wik]] 00:49, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Anthony, your comments are ridiculous. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 00:58, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***This listing is ridiculous. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 01:19, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
****Hell, this page is ridiculous. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 01:20, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. I don't know if it's self-promotion or not, but the author and her book plainly do exist. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 01:26, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**The author and her book do exist, but so do a few million other authors. The book is in no Canadian libraries and there are no links to the author other than Wikipedia. I also can find no sign that the awards cited exist, nor the Scottish society that is meant to have given one of them. - [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] 01:39, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: personal promotion. Promotion of unremarkable authors & their books is what Amazon.com is for. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 18:42, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Merge both to higher-level pages -- '''if''' someone can verify this book exists. I can't find it via an ISBN-tracking site. CJE can prolly just be listed on the page of "Canadians", (already there!); but note that CJE or whoever created that article has contributed a lot to WP and isn't just a self-promoter. Still, neither of these needs its own page yet.
*** The existence of this book remains to be established. Neither amazon.com nor isbn.nu have heard of it. The one reference that I can find on the web is [http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/forthbks/2002-08/en/ec810.htm "Forthcoming Books, August 2002"], which states the ISBN 0-9730907-0-7 and publisher Éditions Touraine of Elliot Lake, Ontario. I can't find the publisher either; I'm guessing it's a vanity press. If the book does exist, it is quite obscure, and does not merit inclusion. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 14:28, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


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*[[cybermedicine]] - bad dictionary definition [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 00:34, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Transwiki - bad dictionary definition.
**Delete - very bad definition and an appropriate article for this would have a different title - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 03:07, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. I initially thought it was garbage but googling on "Cybermedicine" has convinced me that the word exists and refers to practicing medicine over the Internet&mdash;that is, remotely from the patient and via the intermediary of a communications network. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 03:33, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. This should be in cleanup, not VfD. [[User:Darkcore|Darkcore]] 06:04, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. Valid encyclopedia topic. But article should be expanded. [[User:Elf-friend|Elf-friend]] 10:45, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)


====[[Ben Wilson]]====
*[[Accad]] - contains "See "Babel's in Arms" by David Ives.". Google turns up nothing useful. --[[User:Nate Silva|Nate Silva]] 00:44, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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**Delete - agree with nominator (text added so my vote gets counted) - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 03:10, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. [[User:Elf-friend|Elf-friend]] 10:45, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep as a redirect to [[Akkad]]. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 07:53, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


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*[[MediaWiki:Dih]]. Now obsolete as <nowiki>[[Mediawiki:{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}} selected anniversaries]]</nowiki> is used instead. [[User:Angela|Angela]][[user talk:Angela|.]] 02:28, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep for historical purposes. [[User:Perl|Perl]] 16:08, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**delete in the name of good housekeeping. might confuse people. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']]
**Delete. It was even a bad, non-descriptive name. [[User:Sverdrup|&mdash; Sverdrup]] [[User talk:Sverdrup|(talk)]] 08:42, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[Metarmorphosis]]====
*[[Reach-around]] - Extremely POV. Once the POV is gone, what is left? Also, this is not part of regular baseball lingo. [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] 02:37, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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**Oh, it's about basketball! Phew ;). Keep. [[User:Raul654|&rarr;Raul654]] 02:42, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
***Er....the article is written about baseball. [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] 01:35, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Comment. None of the top 20 hits from a Yahoo search for ''"reach around" -clown -wrestling -clowns'' refers to the baseball usage of this term. At best, this would probably end up as a disambig page. On the otherhand, maybe that would be a good thing--since the term seems to pop up in so many contexts, if the article is deleted it's likely to keep getting recreated. [[User:Niteowlneils|Niteowlneils]] 22:20, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. But, should be an disambig page because it is used in more than one sport and has a definite sexual meaning, too. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 09:26, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)


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* [[Gundam Seed Episode 1]], [[Gundam Seed Episode 2]], [[Gundam Seed Episode 3]], (Gundam Seed Episode 4 listed on February 28), [[Gundam Seed Episode 5]], [[Gundam Seed Episode 6]], [[Gundam Seed Episode 7]], [[Gundam Seed Episode 8]], [[Gundam Seed Episode 9]], [[Gundam Seed Episode 10]], [[Gundam Seed Episodes 1-5]], [[Gundam Seed Episodes 6-10]] -- plot summaries of an anime called "Gundam Seed", which appear to have been copied from fan sites [http://www.gundams.net/index.php?page=seed_e] and [http://www.mahq.net]. Unencyclopedic. -- [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 05:52, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**An encyclopedia is a written compendium of human knowledge. It seems this qualifies. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 06:01, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. -- [[User:WormRunner|WormRunner]] 06:05, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**As is, delete due to copyvio. Secondly, even if (and it's a big if) someone wanted to do episode synopses for this show (which there is precedent for - see Star Trek: The Next Generation and The Simpsons), they should be under the episode name (e.g., "A False Peace," "They Call It, Gundam," "Collapsing Land," etc. as opposed to Episodes 1, 2 and 3). But, on a completely unrelated note: Gundam Seed - blech! :P [[User:RadicalBender|RadicalBender]] 06:15, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***We have a separate page for copyright violations. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 15:43, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**** I'm quite aware of that. You'll notice that I didn't argue these articles should be deleted for being copyvios. I'm arguing that WP is not a dumpster. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 16:22, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep, agree w Andrewa. [[User:Sam Spade|Sam Spade]] 08:37, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Looks like copies from the fan sites. Why duplicate the text here, besides probable copyvio. Unless someone is going to re-write it from scratch as well as rename the articles according to what RadicalBender said. [[User:RedWolf|RedWolf]] 08:46, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
***Asssuming it is not a copyright violation, having this text would be a perfect starting point for an article. Whether or not it's a copyright violation is supposed to be determined on another page, frequented by people who know about that kind of thing. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 15:43, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. [[User:Elf-friend|Elf-friend]] 10:45, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. No case has been made for deletion. A weak case has been made for renaming, weak because it seems that those making the case have little interest themselves in the subject matter, but neither of these is a valid reason for deletion. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 15:06, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***Soo...because I hate the show I have no point then? I see. Here, look at it this way: which of the following links works: [[Star Trek: The Next Generation Episode 1]] or [[Encounter at Farpoint]], or perhaps [[The Simpsons Episode 2]] or [[Bart the Genius]]. There's the case: precedent. Either way, it's a moot point because I'm about to list all this at copyvio which is what it actually is. [[User:RadicalBender|RadicalBender]] 16:13, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[Weston Lullingfields]]====
*[[UN Resolution 687]] - wiksource if not turned into article in 5 days. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 06:02, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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** Agree with the above. [[User:Elf-friend|Elf-friend]] 10:45, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** The resolution's text should go to [[Wikisource]]. I wrote a very very small sub-sub-stub to encourage other people write more. [[User:Optim|Optim]] 18:38, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*[[List of cities in San Marino]] - the list of cities is already in the [[San Marino]] article. [[User:Darkcore|Darkcore]] 08:19, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Redirect instead. [[User:Muriel Gottrop|Muriel]] 08:27, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Redirect. [[User:Elf-friend|Elf-friend]] 10:45, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Redirect is pointless. Searches will find the base article anyway. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 11:01, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep as a redirect since it prevents future duplication of the article. [[User:Optim|Optim]] 18:32, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Comment: That's true, but is it likely? [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 15:14, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep (revert redirection), and remove the list from the [[San Marino]] article. This is part of a series of [[List of city listings by country|city listings by country]], and a reader clicking a link from that article expects to arraive at a list of cities, not at the article about the country. [[User:Uriber|-- uriber]] 17:59, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep for the above reason. [[User:Sverdrup|&mdash; Sverdrup]] [[User talk:Sverdrup|(talk)]] 20:57, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. The information is duplicated in the main [[San Marino]] article, not to mention that the article name looks ridiculous to non-USans - the total population of the whole of San Marino is less than 28,000, so the article would be better named [[List of villages in San Marino]]! -- [[User:Arwel Parry|Arwel]] 23:44, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***Yep. You must be right. Because Wikipedia is an Amerocentric encyclopedia, I understand that we others have no vote. [[User:Sverdrup|&mdash; Sverdrup]] [[User talk:Sverdrup|(talk)]] 08:07, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep, everybody (place) is important too! I may vacation there someday... [[User:Sam Spade|Sam Spade]] 09:43, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[College Road]]====
*[[Yes-no pen]] - another obscure Boyerism. --[[User:Wik|Wik]] 17:45, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
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**Again with the Boyerism. If I had really invented all the stuff Wik et al. think I did I would be the most brilliant genius in history. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 18:34, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Fails Google test totally. (btw, are there any geniuses that are not brilliant?) [[User:Maroux|Maroux]] 20:43, 2004 Feb 29 (UTC)
***All geniuses are brilliant, but some are more brilliant than others. BTW, I vote keep. [[User:Meelar|Meelar]] 22:15, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 20:58, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. It's not obscure at all. [[User:Darkcore|Darkcore]] 04:47, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Boyer's refusal to comply with Wikipedia rules is moving his behaviour towards trollish. Everytime I've spent several hours doing background research into his articles of this sort I've come up with nothing to back him up, it's just not worth my time anymore. --[[User:Imran|Imran]] 23:25, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***What rules have I refused to comply with? --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 18:39, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - How many makes of "yes-no-pens" (with that name) are there? Is this a one shot toy that was never produced again? How do coins qualify as a "yes-no-pen"? (That alone decides it for me.) - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 15:45, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***I don't know how many makes of "yes-no" pens there are, but you will find these (accompanying the special books they are designed to be used with) in almost any hospital gift-shop, discount store, large grocery store, &c. They are very far from being uncommon. Plus, if you'll carefully read the article, you will see that it in no way describes coins as being "yes-no" pens. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 18:39, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
****If you read the article carefully and you will find "''Another classical "yes-no" fortune telling method is the use of coins. ''" My point being that the article is whimsy. - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 18:46, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***The bit about coins was added by another editor fairly recently. Daniel C. Boyer is not the author... -- [[User:Cyan|Cyan]] 19:00, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
****I was never talking about whatever portion he wrote. I am talking about the article at the time it was nominated for deletion - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 02:17, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. I can vouch for the existence and prevalence of the item in question; yes-no game books were how my parents kept me happy on long car trips when I was a kid. -- [[User:Cyan|Cyan]] 19:00, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. - [[User:DropDeadGorgias|DropDeadGorgias]] [[User_talk:DropDeadGorgias|(talk)]] 19:13, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)
** Keep, now a valid disambiguation page (though maybe a redirect would work too). Like Cyan, I used one of these as a kid. Seemed a popular class of educational toy. [[User:MyRedDice|Martin]] 19:39, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***Grew up on a farm, never had one. Had coins, though! Still vote to delete - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 19:53, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


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*[[Apocatastasis]] - currently on Transwiki. Originally on vfd in December 2003 but re-added after it was removed. See [[Talk:Apocatastasis]]. [[User:RedWolf|RedWolf]] 08:22, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. [[User:Optim|Optim]] 10:12, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. (But could be expanded.) [[User:Elf-friend|Elf-friend]] 10:45, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep, and rewrite, please! [[User:Sam Spade|Sam Spade]] 09:43, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[Nutty Norman]]====
*[[Romeo Beckham]] - famous only for being the son of someone else -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 19:28, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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**Delete after merging the content with [[David Beckham]]. [[User:Optim|Optim]] 19:42, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. The reason why someone is famous shouldn't be of our concern, only that they are. However, article is almost empty, so delete. [[User:Maroux|Maroux]] 20:38, 2004 Feb 29 (UTC)
**Delete unless someone can add some information to it that wouldn't be better stated on [[David Beckham]]. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 20:58, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Like it or not, the Beckhams feature a lot in British media and culture. You can be sure that in years to come, this page will get larger and larger. Over the last year I bet more newspaper articles were written about Romeo than say [[Princess Beatrice of York]] (famous only for being the daughter of somone else) or maybe even [[Prince Andrew, Duke of York]] (again famous only for being the son of someone else) [[User:Dmn|Dmn]] 21:00, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Romeo Beckham 971 article, Princess Beatrice 237 articles. --[[User:Imran|Imran]] 00:24, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep, it is not wikipedia's job to decide if someone should be famous, only if they are famous. -[[User:SimonP|SimonP]] 02:41, Mar 1, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Famous. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 04:55, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Information is already mentioned on both parents' pages. - [[User:DropDeadGorgias|DropDeadGorgias]] [[User_talk:DropDeadGorgias|(talk)]] 15:48, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)


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*[[TLAs from AAA to DZZ]], [[TLAs from EAA to HZZ]],[[TLAs from IAA to LZZ|]],[[TLAs from MAA to PZZ]],[[TLAs from QAA to TZZ]],[[TLAs from UAA to XZZ]],[[TLAs from YAA to ZZZ]] - These list are of little use, and don't belong in an encyclopedia. [[User:Noldoaran|&mdash;Noldoaran]] [[User talk:Noldoaran|(Talk)]] 19:36, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep: Useful. [[User:Optim|Optim]] 19:40, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete: Useless ''because'' they dont organize these words they just list them. [[User:Bensaccount|Bensaccount]] 20:23, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. These are useful for maintenance purposes, shows what TLAs are in use, makes it easy to get to "nearby" ones. I use these pages pretty regularly, and I think if other people used them more often, they'd be less likely to make hashed-up messes of TLA connections to articles. [[User:Stan Shebs|Stan]] 20:33, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Useful. [[User:Maroux|Maroux]] 20:36, 2004 Feb 29 (UTC)
** Keep. Really useful. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 20:55, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Useless clutter. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 21:05, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. --[[User:Wik|Wik]] 21:13, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. [[User:Perl|Perl]] 21:29, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Move to Wikipedia: namespace. Useful for meta purposes. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 21:41, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Why? Because I like 'em. IMHO a very good example of something that's appropriate for a Web encyclopedia though not a print encyclopedia. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 01:15, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep, just as useful as [[List of people by name]] etc. - [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] 02:41, Mar 1, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. No case has been made for deletion. Just BTW, these articles represent a great deal of work by some valued contributors. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 15:10, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - next will be &quot;list of all four-letter abbreviations&quot;, &quot;list of all five-letter abbreviations&quot;, etc. This isn't a list of real abbreviations but any combination that could ever possibly be an abbreviation. Any reader looking for AAH will search for "AAH" and not "TLAs from AAA to DZZ" - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 16:17, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Useful administration tool. -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 20:59, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[David Barker]]====
*[[Omar Sánchez]] - vanity page - almost a resume - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 20:30, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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**Delete. Why people think this should be in an encyclopedia, I'll never know. [[User:Maroux|Maroux]] 20:35, 2004 Feb 29 (UTC)
**Keep. Why people think this shouldn't be in an encyclopedia, I'll never know. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 22:48, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Nonfamous. Junk. [[User:Ambivalenthysteria|Ambivalenthysteria]], 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Del. --[[User:Wik|Wik]] 04:27, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete, vanity, also an advert for the AV Digital web design company, which I suspect to be a one-man shop (on one page, they write "...mensaje que me vas a enviar", i.e. "... message that you are going to send to ''me''" (note the singular!). [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 09:51, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-DavidBarker}}
*[[Nahuel Marisi]] - looks like a fake biography, notice that all events in the article are in the future - [[User:Andris|Andris]] 20:44, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete, nonsense. --[[User:Wik|Wik]] 21:13, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete, Wikipedia is not speculative fiction. I'll make an entry in my tickler file to check in 2011 and if Nahuel Marisi runs for Senator in the 2011 elections I'll insert an article about him then myself. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 01:12, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: fabrication. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 06:54, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. [[User:Optim|Optim]] 10:07, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[CheShA]]====
*[[Kun Sun Sweeley]] - vanity. [[User:Silsor|silsor]] 21:39, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
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**Delete. Vanity, non-famous. [[User:Moncrief|Moncrief]] 21:43, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
**Also probably [[NeoAniCon Inc.]], and maybe [[NeoAniCon]] [[User:Niteowlneils|Niteowlneils]] 21:48, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Doesn't look like vanity. What makes you think it is? [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 19:23, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***Sweeley lives in Baltimore. The IP traces to Michigan. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 19:33, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Insignificant. Also delete [[NeoAniCon Inc.]] ("is to be a ... company"), [[NeoAniCon]] (planned convention that may or may not happen), and [[NeoAniCon's Board of Directors List]]. Its all pure speculation about future events, not established knowledge. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 09:39, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Delete all: insignificant. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 14:35, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-CheShA}}
*[[Quedar Bien]] translation of a spanish phrase. [[User:Perl|Perl]] 22:16, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Unless this phrase is well known among English speakers, there is no point in having it on the English WP. Move to Spanish version? [[User:Maroux|Maroux]] 22:20, 2004 Feb 29 (UTC)
**Delete - agree with nominator (text added so my vote gets counted) - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 01:46, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[Alt.tv.simpsons]]====
*[[Preparation]] - dictionary definition. [[User:Dori|Dori]] | [[User talk:Dori|Talk]] 22:32, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
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**Delete - agree with nominator (text added so my vote gets counted) - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 01:46, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-Alt_tv_simpsons}}
=== March 1 ===


====[[Dumbarton Harp F.C.]]====
*[[Jeesh]] - limited slang word [[User:RickK|RickK]] 02:37, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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**Delete and merge into [[Battle school]] or [[Ender's Game]] - I loved the books but Jeesh just isn't more than a dictionary definition of a fictional word - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 02:59, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Is this spelled correctly? I thought I remember it differently, but...[[User:Meelar|Meelar]]
** Delete - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 16:37, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-DumbartonHarpFC}}
*[[American English (Building layout)]]. Does this need to stand on its own? [[User:RickK|RickK]] 04:05, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** No it doesn't. It's interesting, but it needs to belong somewhere else. [[User:Dysprosia|Dysprosia]] 04:07, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**It should be moved to [[American and British English differences]]. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 04:43, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**I merged it with the article above. [[User:Optim|Optim]] 10:07, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep as redirect to [[American and British English differences]] :) &mdash; [[User:Timwi|Timwi]] 14:29, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Keep as redirect - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 16:37, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[Sean Flowers]]====
*[[Most visited websites]] nothing but a list of links. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 04:58, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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**Delete. Wikipedia is not a link repository. [[User:Raul654|&rarr;Raul654]] 05:00, Mar 1, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep, I added internal links - [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] 05:13, Mar 1, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep, but this should be done by year. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 06:20, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep, verifiable with [[Alexa]]. [[User:Optim|Optim]] 10:07, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete as it is nothing more than a copy of Alexa. At best move it to [[Most visited websites according to Alexa]]. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 14:58, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep, with a variation on Anthony's suggestion. Let's have several lists (aren't there any available other than Alexa?) and put them under their own sections within this article. I think the title is intuitive enough that ti ought to be kept. [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 18:32, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***I'd support that if the lists were combined into a single list (maybe pointing with a reference to where it's from). Otherwise it doesn't seem like we're adding anything useful, just copying other people's work. Of course, then the problem becomes POV, but surely we could work out some semi-definitive criteria that avoids Joe Bob's Monster Truck Page getting listed. Still, I'd move it to [[List of most visited websites]]. It's not really an encyclopedia article, but it slides in under the provision for lists. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 19:44, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Keep, but fix it up: organize by year, and only list a few (top 10 or 20). Will be useful in a few years to describe trends in web use. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 02:29, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-Sean_Flowers}}
*[[Random Mission Generator]]
**See [[Talk:Random Mission Generator]]


====[[The Black and White Space Marine on the Black and White Bike]]====
*[[Mark Turner]] delete, unfamous young punk, occupying a famous name. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 15:43, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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**Keep. Fame is irrelevant. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 15:53, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Article is irrelevant. [[User:Isomorphic|Isomorphic]] 16:03, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Replaced with stub about the famous Mark Turner. Keep now? [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 16:11, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***Keep now. Thanks for creating the stub. I've never heard of him, either, but he sounds more worthy of inclusion :-) [[User:Isomorphic|Isomorphic]] 16:16, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep now. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] 16:37, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Keep - Heh... a lot of my own work is based on Turner's work. [[User:PilotPrecise|PilotPrecise]] 19:42, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Even after edits, I would consider this marginal. Professorship is probably not enough. Author of 3 books is maybe enough. [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] 22:04, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***He's actually written a lot more, I only had time to add a few to the article. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 15:17, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-The_Black_and_White_Space_Marine_on_the_Black_and_White_Bike}}
*[[Flattery]] - dicdef -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 08:10, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Wiktionary<strike>Wikipedia</strike> [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] 22:04, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC) (Shouldn't make edits when I'm tired.)
***This is wikipedia. Did you mean wiktionary perchance? [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 16:47, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. this is a dictionary def. - [[User:DropDeadGorgias|DropDeadGorgias]] [[User_talk:DropDeadGorgias|(talk)]] 15:50, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)


====[[Ambiversion]]====
*[[Plan of Discipline]] almost certainly source text [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 15:57, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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** Move to wikibooks: source text from 18th century. Interesting. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 02:26, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)


{{WP:Votes for deletion/Ambiversion}}
*[[Single player]] dictionary defn I donb't think it possible to expand into a stub. [[User:Theresa knott|theresa knott]] 16:56, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Can't think of how to expand either. [[User:Isomorphic|Isomorphic]] 18:57, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Not a vote: I tried to expand it a bit. Hope it's better now. [[User:Optim|Optim]] 19:34, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep as expanded. Nice work. [[User:Meelar|Meelar]] 21:19, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Yes, excellent work team, including Theresa (I couldn't see any way either). This is how a Wiki is supposed to work. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 17:29, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[Nalgene]]====
*[[Canadian political party system]]--the potential scope of this stub can and should be covered in [[Politics of Canada]]. In [[Talk:Canadian political party system]], the creator of the article seems to concede that creating the article was a mistake. [[User:Indefatigable|Indefatigable]] 17:11, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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**Turned it into a redirect then. -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 17:16, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-Nalgene}}
*[[Knowledge by acquaintance]] - I can't even make heads or tails of this - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 17:40, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. Make it readable. See its back link. Possibly non-standard or poorly translated phylosophical terminology. I know it as "[[knowledge by immediate experience]]", so renaming (moving) migth be the solution. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 20:24, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Rearranged the article and (hopefully) clarified the example by giving "S" an actual name. Probably should be renamed, too. Should definately be kept though. The justification of knowledge is an important topic in [[Epistemology]], and this sounds a bit like something [[Wittgenstein]] might have said - I'll check that when I have some free time. -[[User:Sethmahoney|Seth Mahoney]] 20:44, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*** Sorry for being lazy: Google gives cca. 2,000 hits, so the term is definitely in use. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 21:21, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. in the future you can use [[Wikipedia:cvfd]] instead of listing such entries in vfd. [[User:Optim|Optim]] 20:48, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep definitely. I have tried to clarify the text. It is an philosophical concept, but it was very pporly and briefly explained. I have taken the liberty to remove the "nonesense" msg, as it isn't nonsensical. Of course I have left the vfd msg. [[User:Carlo.Ierna|Cat]] 17:10, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[Elena Filatova]]====
*[[Church's Criterion]] - After [[Talk:Ambition (card game)|considerable]] [[Talk:Church's Criterion|debate]] with [[User:Mike Church]] regarding his pages, we came to an agreement with respect to the fate of this one. It is hereby nominated for deletion ''with his consent''. And thanks to [[User:Charles Matthews|Charles Matthews]] for his help in moderating the debate. [[User:PilotPrecise|PilotPrecise]] 18:35, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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**Delete. [[User:Isomorphic|Isomorphic]] 18:57, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**I'm neutral on keep-versus-delete on this one, but if it is kept, it should be moved to ''Church's criterion'', with a lower-case initial ''c'' in the second word. We don't write ''Maxwell's Theorem'', etc., with a capital initial ''T'' in the second word; stylistic consistency would seem to do the same here. [[User:Michael Hardy|Michael Hardy]] 21:36, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Article contained supplemental information to another, but was not by any means necessary either to any other article or to Wikipedia. It became the subject of controversy, and probably fails to meet Wikipedia's criteria for what is encyclopedic enough for inclusion. I sumbit that it should be deleted, for the good of Wikipedia. At any rate, it's now a stub. [[User:Mike Church|Mike Church]] 21:39, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: idiosyncratic, original research. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 02:26, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. this looks like personal philosophy to me. - [[User:DropDeadGorgias|DropDeadGorgias]] [[User_talk:DropDeadGorgias|(talk)]] 15:50, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-Elena_Filatova}}
*[[Cristiane Alexandre]]
**See [[Talk:Cristiane Alexandre]]


====[[Call of Duty: United Offensive]]====
===March 2===
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{{tl|VfD-Call_of_Duty_United_Offensive}}
* [[Rosie Nix Adams]] - It seems the only reason the death of Rosie Nix Adams is mentioned is that she was the daughter of someone famous. Its disrespectful to a life and an invasion of family privacy to give this the status of a separate article. [[User:Lumos3|Lumos3]] 00:20, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 00:33, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete, nonfamous -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 00:35, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - agree with nominator (text added so my vote gets counted) - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 01:24, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Merge it into entry for June Carter Cash [[User:Bkonrad|Bkonrad]] 01:51, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** I can't see a case for deletion. The person is mentioned in [[June Carter Cash]], so the page should ''at least'' redirect there. The question is not about whether or not to include the content, but how to organise it, and that's not a matter for discussion on this page. -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 00:27, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[Political terrorism]]====
* [[Westwood One]] - advert -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 00:33, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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**Delete - agree with nominator (text added so my vote gets counted) - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 01:24, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Make NPOV and keep -- It's a big name [[User:Bkonrad|Bkonrad]] 01:51, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Keep [[User:Jasenlee|Jasenlee]]
**Keep as stub. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 02:22, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep--they produce [[Loveline]]! [[User:Meelar|Meelar]] 04:37, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep [[User:Frecklefoot|Frecklefoot]] 15:20, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. --[[User:Flockmeal|Flockmeal]] 23:45, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-Political_terrorism}}
* [[User:Sterlingda/Free Energy]]
* [[User:Sterlingda/Free Energy/]]
* [[User:Sterlingda/Free Energy/Callaway magnetic motor]]
* [[User:Sterlingda/Free Energy/Dennis Lee]]
* [[User:Sterlingda/Free Energy/director message]]
* [[User:Sterlingda/Free Energy/favorites]]
* [[User:Sterlingda/Free Energy/hydrogen on demand]]
* [[User:Sterlingda/Free Energy/invenstments]]
* [[User:Sterlingda/Free Energy/open sourcing]]
* [[User:Sterlingda/Free Energy/oppression]]
* [[User:Sterlingda/Free Energy/translations]]
* [[User:Sterlingda/Free Energy magnetic motor]]
* [[User:Sterlingda/Free Energynews]]
* [[User:Sterlingda/Wiki All]]
* [[User:Sterlingda/de/Free Energy]]
* [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Free Energy]]
* [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Free Energy]]
**[[Wikipedia is not]] a personal homepage and [http://www.powerpedia.org/ bandwidth theft] is a bad thing. [[User:Angela|Angela]][[user talk:Angela|.]] 01:30, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete [[User:Perl|Perl]]
**Delete. Wikipedia does not host personal homepages. Sterlingda has been given a long time to move this content. [[User:Maximus Rex|Maximus Rex]] 01:54, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Delete all. [[User:Evercat|Evercat]] 01:57, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Delete all. He lost interest in editing the main namespace once he realized that self-promotion is not encouraged. He didn't stop working on this stuff. [[User:Isomorphic|Isomorphic]] 02:18, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete, but give fair warning.[[User:Eloquence|&mdash;Eloquence]]
***I have sent [[User:Sterlingda|Sterlingda]] an email alerting him to this listing. -- [[User:Cyan|Cyan]] 04:35, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Del. --[[User:Wik|Wik]] 04:27, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep [[User:Sterlingda/Wiki All]]. Delete the rest. -- [[User:Cyan|Cyan]] 04:35, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Agree with Cyan. [[User:Kosebamse|Kosebamse]] 08:01, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Keep [[User:Sterlingda/Wiki All]] as Cyan said. [[User:Sverdrup|&mdash; Sverdrup]] [[User talk:Sverdrup|(talk)]] 08:51, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete all but [[User:Sterlingda/Wiki All]] as suggested above. There is some indication that [http://www.pureenergysystems.com/] is expecting this, their links have been updated in the last few minutes and the notice saying their stuff is "hosted on Wikipedia" has just vanished. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 08:56, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***Make that speedy delete, or at least immediate blanking and protecting (which may not be effective if they're clever). I just had a look at [http://www.powerpedia.org] and they are adding 3rd-party advertisements to the material they host on Wikipedia. Possibly these are from their hosting company, but it's still Wikimedia money paying their hosting bills. If we're very kind, we could offer to temporarily undelete on the condition that the ads are removed first. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 18:06, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Keep 'Wiki All'. Del 'rest' (sadly). ... I ''was'' wondering, how / where could something akin to this be possible? (ala. the above is not acceptible, but teh premise could eb workable) ... There are other [[Wikipedia:WikiProject|projects]] on things and thier uses [ex., "WikiProject Weaponry" and "WikiProject Automobile construction"] ... guess, I'll read up on it [off to look @ the project pages] [[User:Reddi|JDR]] [PS. respond to my talk page, if you have a response]
*** I think many would sympathise with them. All the more reason for them to buy their own hosting. Continued on your user talk page as requested. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 16:50, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Delete most, keep Wiki All. - [[User:Fennec|Fennec]] 16:45, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**'''NOTE FROM USER:STERLINGDA'''<br>I had hoped we would have our own system up and running a month or two ago. It has taken longer than I thought. We do have a server set up now that can handle this. Please let us get it migrated over before you delete. We should be able to have it done in the next few days. At that point, I will create forwarding addresses, and all links will point to the new location. At that point, there will be virtually no bandwidth issues for Wikipedia. Even now, if you check your stats, I doubt that there are bandwidth issues. We are still in early start-up phase. [[User:Sterlingda|Sterlingda]] 17:54, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)
***Starlingda: Even if this gets deleted, I can email you the wiki source or something... or you can copy it into your favorite text editor now. By the way, if nothing else, "free energy" is questionable from an NPOV standpoint (I'm trying to be polite here.) [[User:Pakaran|Pakaran]][[User talk:Pakaran|.]] 17:57, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Concerning the talk about deletion, this is our first experience with Wiki and we (PES authors) ask that you bear with us until we rehost the material. Any info on how rehosting/downloading is done? eMail [email protected] (moved from bottom of vfd page to relevant section by [[User:Akadruid|akaDruid]] 18:05, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC))
**Delete and speedy - the advertising pushes it over the edge - see Andrewa's note above - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 18:09, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Email the Wikitext of these pages to Sterlingda or appropriate, and delete them. [[User:Dysprosia|Dysprosia]] 22:06, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. --[[User:Flockmeal|Flockmeal]] 23:19, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)


====[[Alphabetical List of Hoboken streets]]====
*[[Michael Earls]] - bizarre. [[User:Evercat|Evercat]] 02:43, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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**Delete. Truly bizzare. [[User:Moncrief|Moncrief]] 03:26, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Del. --[[User:Wik|Wik]] 04:27, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)
**<s>Merge with bizarre and redirect</s> [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 04:28, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***Apparently this is a serious request!? Keep. It's a disambig page. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 04:50, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**** It was a bit more bizarre when I listed it. :-) [[User:Evercat|Evercat]] 00:34, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**** Disambig that doesn't link to a live article about ''any'' of the Michael Earls? Delete until we actually need it. (Frankly, I consider this a very creative attempt to get around the vanity rule.) [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] 15:37, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*****There is no "vanity rule." [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 16:30, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
******Sure there is. [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not|Wikipedia is not]] a homepage (bullet 15). [[User:Rossami|Rossami]]
*******That's not a rule, nor is it about vanity. And how does a link to several famous people constitute as a home page? If this page gets deleted, and I recreate it, does it then cease to be vanity, since it was created by someone completely unrelated? [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 18:17, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Very bizarre. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 04:31, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Bizarre. - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 06:16, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete, by all means! Vanity: apparently created by one of the Micheal Earls himself: one of the extlinks given (www.cerkit.com) resolves to 66.32.251.52, the IP of the creator of that page. All four Michael Earls do ''not'' look encyclopedia-worthy to me. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 09:22, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**I'd say keep, on the grounds that the published author Michael Earls does pass the "Google test", if nothing else. The book does exist. However, none of these articles exist yet. The last thing anyone needs is a disambig to pages that don't exist yet and many of which aren't important. It's tantamount to a disambig for the 500 or so Mike Church's that exist (incl. myself, a southern radio DJ, an author, a physicist, a fictional detective). So, delete. If someone writes a worthwhile article on author Michael Earls and his book, let it stay. [[User:Mike Church|Mike Church]] 17:17, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Pointless. The articles should come first, then the disambiguation page if it becomes necessary. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 20:39, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - not bizarre, just a kind of [[Cat's_cradle|granfalloon]] [[User:Dwindrim|Denni]] 22:19, 2004 Mar 2 (UTC)
**Delete. Articles first, disambig afterwards.
*** The order in which things are added is not very relevant. ''If'' disambiguation is going to be needed, the page has to be created at some point, so it might as well be now. -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 00:27, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-Alphabetical_List_of_Hoboken_streets}}
*[[Full Text of the United States Constitution]] - wikisource. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 03:11, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 04:20, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Not a source depository. [[User:Rmhermen|Rmhermen]] 04:47, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)


===May 24===
*[[Management accounting]] -- non-encyclopedic babble; high probability of copyvio . Hardly corrigible. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 08:03, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
====[[Social surplus]]====
**This same material has already been removed from at least five other articles that I know of. It is unfortunate that the translation is so bad that it is impossible to fix it. [[User:Mydogategodshat|mydogategodshat]] 08:14, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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**Keep, but remove the babble (there was a short stub before 23-Jan-2004). [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 08:18, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Reverted to most recent good stub. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 13:40, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. The reverted stub is still nonsense. [[User:Tempshill|Tempshill]] 23:11, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-Social_surplus}}
*[[Internal control]] -- non-encyclopedic babble; high probability of copyvio . Hardly corrigible. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 08:03, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Created by the same author as the babbling at [[Management accounting]] (and it's a word-by-word copy of that other babbling, and it turns into an advert at the end, and the extlink is dead (for me, at least)). [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 08:18, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. No useful history. Good topic but no point keeping this. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 14:18, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. [[User:Tempshill|Tempshill]] 23:11, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[Expression engine]]====
*[[The Wastelands]] -- is an orphaned page for which there is already a fuller wikipedia article. Alternately re-direct but it's not worth it??[[Rjstott]]
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**Of course it's worth it! Redirects catch google traffic which otherwise we would miss. When considering if a redirect is worth having, consider if anyone else may ever make the same mistake about the title. In this case the answer is an obvious YES! [[User:Theresa knott|theresa knott]] 11:48, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep as redirect, and note that Theresa has '''read''' the relevant articles and doco, explained herself well, and '''fixed the article'''. We need more like this on all three fronts. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 16:24, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)


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*[[Battiadae]] -- May refer to something, but looks like nonsense. --[[User:Merovingian|Ryan and/or Mero]] 13:43, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)
**You may like to add the [[MediaWiki:nonsense]] message on it. [[User:Optim|Optim]] 13:48, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. I suggest us to always check backlinks of articles in question. Rare term, but hits the google nevertheless. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 17:59, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[The egg and the chicken problem]]====
*[[Canada Games Company]] -- appears to be a fictional company. The website listed points to a [[cybersquatting|squatter's]] site. Google did find a company with this name (sort of), but they make jigsaw puzzles ''only'' and don't seem to be notable. Their site is hosted on a free server. &mdash;[[User:Frecklefoot|Frecklefoot]] 15:18, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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**<s>Delete</s> Keep - article improved - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 15:38, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**No Vote, it is a real company but it is not particularly major one, even in Canada
**Keep. I doubt it's vanity. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 16:27, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep, but the article needs help. They do or did manufacture more than jigsaw puzzles. See its talk page. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 20:13, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 20:39, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)


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*[[Neilie Casey]] - Listed on RfD - Anthony has chosen to recreate the page prior to the redirect - Discussions on the talk page have not resoved the issue - additional delete request here in addition to RfD so it does not go back and forth to avoid deletion - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 18:02, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. -- [[User:Dissident|Dissident]] 18:11, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. When I want to look up an individual 9/11 victim, I go to sep11.wikipedia.org and search there. Makes no sense to duplicate the entry here. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 19:08, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 20:39, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. sep11 wiki is for POV entries. When I want NPOV, I go here. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 21:44, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Del. --[[User:Wik|Wik]] 21:55, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)
** Delete [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 22:42, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Sep11. I disagree with ADP's invented POV theory. [[User:Tempshill|Tempshill]] 23:16, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***Take a look at the Sep11 Wiki some time. It's mainly personal experiences which violate NPOV and No Original Research. Or read [http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dealing_with_September_11_pages meta]: "Yip, articles about victims are fine as long as they at least tell us who it was, what he/she did, etc (frankly, I think we can do without those as well, but general opinion says we should keep those)." That was in September of 2002. So it's clearly not something I invented. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 00:42, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** The POV/NPOV distinction is not "invented". It is, and always has been, a fundamental difference between Wikipedia and the tribute site. Of course keep. No-one has even given a ''reason'' for deletion here, and that is a minumum requirement for deletion to take place. -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 00:27, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Irrelevant. Delete. [[User:Kosebamse|Kosebamse]] 11:28, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Move to Wikimemorial and delete. [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] 13:22, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[Vince_Buffalo]]====
*[[Leo Wyatt]] - Nutty, if somewhat funny, profile of a "former whitelighter and now Elder of the Charmed Ones," who does all sorts of incredible things. Definitely not encyclopedic. [[User:Moncrief|Moncrief]] 19:24, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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**No vote. Apparently this is a character from the TV series ''[[Charmed]]''. [[User:RadicalBender|RadicalBender]] 19:55, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** If you made me king, I'd delete because this is a minor character in a TV show - not what I think of as encyclopedic. But compared to others that are routinely kept, it's no worse. Keep but post to clean-up so the link to the TV show is obvious. (Do we have a naming convention that would help?) [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] 20:05, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Added text to make it clear where he comes from. &mdash;[[User:Frecklefoot|Frecklefoot]] 19:56, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Hmm. I've already deleted this once because it read like patent nonsense and had no context as to what it all meant. As it's from charmed, I'd say merge and redirect with [[Charmed]] [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 21:06, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep now. [[User:Tempshill|Tempshill]] 23:16, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***Keep. Wiki is not paper. [[User:Saulisagenius|Saul Taylor]] 08:48, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep.[[Chris Perry]], [[Piper Halliwell(-Wyatt)]], [[Darryl Morris]] created by the same user are fictional characters from the same show (and need cleaning up). They could well be redirects to ''[[Charmed]]'', but I have a feeling that various fans will keep recreating these pages even if they are deleted. Might as well let them have them.-- [[User:Decumanus|Decumanus]] 18:07, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


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*[[Battle of Merton]]: entire text is from http://timelines.ws/0600AD_999AD.HTML
**and in any case it's the Battle of MARTON! [[User:Lee M|Lee M]] 20:15, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete and please do so on the speedy plan. [[User:Moncrief|Moncrief]], 2 Mar 2004
**If we don't have it, move it. From the edit history of the contributor (added vagueand inaccurate to ''There is a very large amount of vague and inaccurate historical information available in Wikipedia, and several different ways of classifying it are given below.'' and linked the site as a friend of wikipedia) I think the contributor runs the site the content is from. In any case, it's minimally copyrightable since it's almost exclusively factual and our usual rewrite to our standars will eliminate any potential copyrightability. If we have it. make it a redirect and list on redirects for deletion. [[User:Jamesday|Jamesday]] 21:03, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** I've listed it on [[Wikipedia:Possible copyright infringements]]. That's the page that should be used for possible copyright infringements. Someone should remove the entry from this page after this has been seen. -- [[User:Oliver Pereira|Oliver P.]] 00:27, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[...The Press!]]====
* [[Wikipedia:Columbia Encyclopedia article titles]]
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**Listed here as a copyvio, see [[Wikipedia:Possible_copyright_infringements]] for the discussion of whether it is and why.
**Delete - the only possible use is copyright violation - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 00:26, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
****Keep, let's not get paranoid here. The use here is to try and make sure we cover at least as much as they do.[[User:Theresa knott|theresa knott]] 14:05, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. It '''is''' a copyright violation. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 14:09, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


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*[[NVC]] - Long babbling article by an IP user, talks about "Nonviolent Communication", divided into many sections with a sentence or two per section, unwikified, appears to be copied from somewhere. --[[User:Flockmeal|Flockmeal]] 23:19, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - agree with nominator (text added so my vote gets counted) - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 23:21, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Agree this is a mess, but there is such a thing, this just isn't the right article about it, if that makes sense...[[User:Mark Richards|Mark Richards]] 00:43, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***I'm foretelling a surge of [[Marshall Rosenberg]]'s "Non-Violent C" here... [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 05:48, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Nonsense. Delete. [[User:Kosebamse|Kosebamse]] 11:28, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


=== March 3 ===
====[[Guff]]====
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{{WP:Votes for deletion/Guff}}
====[[Customer experience management]]====
- Until I can get an answer to the question at [[User talk:145.254.237.111]], I'd like this listed for deletion. It looks to me as though this is a large school project that hasn't informed us it's coming, and isn't being run by people who are familiar with Wikipedia. I am hoping that the VFD notice on this page will convince one of the people on this project to come here, see this note, and let us know what's going on with a description at [[Wikipedia:School and university projects]] and a contact name of the person in charge so that we can better understand what's going on and educate the students about Wikipedia. [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 00:30, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Subpages: [[Analyzing the experiential world of the customer]] - [[Building the experiential platform]] - [[Designing the brand experience]] - [[Structuring the customer interface]] - [[Engaging in continuous innovation]] - [[Marketing concept]] - [[Customer Relationship Management (CRM)]] - [[Customer satisfaction]] - [[Identify Target Customer]] - [[Divide the Experiential World into 4 Layers]] - [[Track Experiences along Touchpoints]] - [[Survey the Competitive Landscape]] - [[Experiential Positioning]] - [[Experiential Value Promise (EVP)]] - [[Overall Implementation Theme]] - [[The Product Experience]] - [[The Look and Feel]] - [[Experiential Communications]] - [[Experiential Communications]] - [[Style and Substance]] - [[Essence and Flexibility]] - [[CEM integration]] - [[CEM organization]] - [[Timing]]
**Redirects: [[Customer Experience Management (CEM)]] - [[Marketing Concept]] - [[Customer Satisfaction]] - [[Analyzing the Experiential World of the Customer]] - [[Building the Experiential Platform]] - [[Designing the Brand Experience]] - [[Structuring the Customer Interface]] - [[Engaging in Continuous Innovation]] - [[CEM Integration]] - [[CEM Organization]]
**Articles created by a university lecturer. Related tothe above listing. Poorly named (many verbs), intended as a description of a particular textbook's POV. The author obviously has no intention to create an NPOV article under these titles. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 00:31, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)
* also related: [[CEM organization]], [[CEM integration]], and a bazillion other articles by 145.254.237.111 . These all seem to be mass vandalism/trolling in the form of advertizement. --[[User:Zandperl|zandperl]] 00:32, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**I think it's a marketing textbook, not an advertisement. Perhaps it can be moved to Wikibooks. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 00:57, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)
**Remove unless a very good explanation is provided in a day or two. [[User:Fredrik|Fredrik]] 01:00, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Move to Wikibooks and do rewriting, too POV. --[[User:Flockmeal|Flockmeal]] 02:38, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)
**Guessing by a small sample reading, it's far from being NPOV or encyclopedic style, and also not too interesting. I'd say delete unless somebody (read: original author) comes up with a much better version. [[User:Kosebamse|Kosebamse]] 11:36, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** The base term (Customer Experience Management) is a real but little-used phrase for a sub-set of the management discipline Customer Relationship Management. The topic should be covered there. Unfortunately, I don't think this page is recoverable. Easier to delete and let someone start over. The sub-pages are apparently building up to duplicate or create a text and violate either the "source" or "original research" rules. [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] 13:28, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**from Jwrosenzweig's talk page:
:::Karsten Kilian on Deletion Request for Customer Experience Management (CEM) Thanks for your feedback. We are a university in Germany with an international students from 6 different countries. The aim of the Customer Experience Management (CEM) is as follows:
****introduce a fairly new concept in the literature to interested audience
****make students familiar with wikipedia.org
****add to the content quality of Wikipedia
****I hope that my explanation does make it clear what our goal is and I would be thankful if you could withdraw the deletion note.
**Kudos to the university for trying this, but we need to ensure that what they are doing fits the Wikipedia mold. Currently the articles don't stand by themselves. Could we find someone willing to hand-hold these students through the Wikipedia process, getting the titles right, making sure each article is self-contained etc.? I think we should also strongly encourage all the contributors to create logins, or at very least the teacher to create a login, so that we can send feedback. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 15:05, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Move to [[Wikibooks]]; Not complying to neither NPOV nor Wikipedia style and layout. [[User:Sverdrup|&mdash; Sverdrup]] [[User talk:Sverdrup|(talk)]] 16:47, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***I am in contact with Karsten on my talk page and via email. I urge you all to hold off a few days and let Karsten and I try to find a way to make this workable. Wikibooks might be a very good idea (thanks Sverdrup) if Wikipedia turns out to be a bad fit. Anyone who wants to help guide these students, please do, but if you're wondering who is taking the lead for the moment, it's me. I think we can sort things out. [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 17:22, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
****Thank you very much for doing this, James. [[User:Pcb21|Pete/Pcb21]] [[User_talk:Pcb21|(talk)]] 17:29, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***I agree; if they want to fix it, we should give them time to do that. [[User:Sverdrup|&mdash; Sverdrup]] [[User talk:Sverdrup|(talk)]] 17:56, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*****As an update, Karsten has agreed in an email to me that the current articles are not matching Wikipedia's standards well -- he pledges personal attention to them, and asks that we delay any decision making for 2-3 days while he help his students shape the articles. [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 20:26, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[Booger]]====
====[[Chung Ling Record]]====
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- Well, I tried, but it didn't turn out very well... is this a dictionary definition or an encyclopedic article? [[User:Ugen64|ugen64]] 01:33, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)
**The content is OK. Isn't there a technical term for this, though? It should be moved there. [[User:Meelar|Meelar]] 04:02, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


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====[[Symbiotic algorithm]]====
- Looks to be primary research. Suggest merging any salvageable/encyclopedic content with [[parallel algorithm]] and delete. --[[User:Lexor|Lexor]]|[[User talk:Lexor|Talk]] 04:44, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[Emerging Symbiotic Clusters]]====
====[[Chinese cannibalism]]====
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- Primary research, zero Google hits [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22Emerging+Symbiotic+Clusters%22&btnG=Google+Search] (cf symbiotic algorithm). Suggest merge/delete (see above). --[[User:Lexor|Lexor]]|[[User talk:Lexor|Talk]] 05:07, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


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====[[Report from Himmler to Hitler]]====
- looks like it needs a transwiki to WikiSource, then a deletion. Any other opinions? [[User:Isomorphic|Isomorphic]] 05:38, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Source text. Transwiki and/or delete. [[User:Kosebamse|Kosebamse]] 11:40, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[Nascent]]====
====[[Iraq Liberation Act]]====
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- Belongs in Wiktionary. Boot it over there. [[User:Denelson83|Denelson83]] 05:39, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Agreed on both counts. [[User:Moncrief|Moncrief]] 3 Mar 2004
**Delete. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 10:20, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)


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====[[Democide]]====
- We have already [[Genocide]] and [[Holocaust]] about the same subject. I doubt if the democide exists in English. It seems German word only. [[User:Seaman|Seaman]] 09:01, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep but add links to genocide and Holocaust. The word was coined by an American political scientist, so it's not a German word only. However, as the article rightly notes, it hasn't gained much traction in English. [[User:Moncrief|Moncrief]], 09:06, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. What is exactly difference between Democide/Genocide and Holocaust? Isn't better to merge those articles? [[User:Cautious|Cautious]] 09:11, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***Keep, of course. To answer Cautious' query: Genocide (killing of ethnic groups) is a subset of Democide. The Holocuast (Killing of Jews et al. in WW II) is a subset of Genocide. Democides can be samaller scale and are political. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 10:16, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)
**** Keep. Word was obviously coined by some Rudolph J. Rummel, professor em. of political sciences at University of Hawaii. He wrote a two-volume piece titeled ''Death by Government'' and ''Statistics of Democide''. The word is definitely ''not'' German by origin, but now it exists (''Demozid'') as a translation of its American English counterpart. It is used in a much broader sense than the other two, as Davodd has already pointed out. --[[User:Palapala|Palapala]] 10:48, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*****Mr Rummel is higly controversial alternative historian. His thesis are highly POV and were never verified by other historians. [[User:Cautious|Cautious]] 10:59, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**** I'm not one of his fans, but the term is there, his books are there, controversial as they might well be, and he is talked about. Also they have been translated into foreign languages (like German). Doesn't that all suffice for an entry? --[[User:Palapala|Palapala]]
*****OK, stay, on condition that some NPOV comments are included. Somebody can open the article and be terrified by huge number of people allegedly killed, while this is mostly playing with statistical numbers. [[User:Cautious|Cautious]] 12:57, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Definitely keep, is in widespread use. -- [[User:Dissident|Dissident]] 20:58, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[Ontario_Mills]]====
====[[SchneersonQuotes]]====
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- Shopping centre in Ontario. If we delete nonfamous people, surely we delete nonfamous shopping malls. [[User:Maroux|Maroux]] 11:54, 2004 Mar 3 (UTC)
**Keep if it going to be expanded, otherwise move to [[Ontario, California]]. Concerning the comparison with people: there are far fewer big shopping centers than nonfamous people.--[[User:Patrick|Patrick]] 12:38, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Shopping malls '''are''' famous. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 13:59, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - malls in general are not famous - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 16:10, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***Below-the-votes discussion moved to [[Talk:Ontario Mills]]
**Del. --[[User:Wik|Wik]] 16:42, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. we have articles on a number of shopping centres - [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] 19:50, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Malls are visited by hundreds of thousands of people annually. That seems to imply some level of notoriety and importance. If anything, they go towards local history in many cases. Besides, there are other malls in Wikipedia (e.g., [[Houston Galleria]]). [[User:RadicalBender|RadicalBender]] 20:40, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


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==== [[electrical microphone]]====
- No need for this, there's an opulant article on [[microphone]]s. Somebody playing around... --[[User:Palapala|Palapala]] 13:25, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** merge and redirect. [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] 13:32, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Is there any need to list this kind of thing here? This page get's too long as it is without listing things that a simple redirect will fix.I've done the redirect and I'll remove this entry tomorrow. [[User:Theresa knott|theresa knott]] 13:51, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete or merge - not appropriate - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 16:12, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Agree with Theresa. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 20:56, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[New College Democrats]]====
====[[Yayhooray]]====
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- Political club at a college. Not notable in any way. [[User:Warofdreams|Warofdreams]] 14:04, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


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====[[Attack Tool Kit]]====
- Appears to be advertising; if the product is notable in any way it needs to be NPOVed. [[User:Warofdreams|Warofdreams]] 14:08, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**NPOV and keep. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 15:29, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - advert - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 16:12, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Note a vote - it's an advert for freeware [[User:Theresa knott|theresa knott]] 16:35, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[West African cuisine]]====
====[[Uppercase Day]]====
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- written in french and it isn't even about west african cuisine.. its about north african cuisine. [[User:Perl|Perl]] 15:33, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Shouldn't this be a speedy deletion candidate? [[User:Rmhermen|Rmhermen]] 15:38, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep as redirect<s>Delete and move to wikibooks</s> - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 16:12, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***Note a vote -Since when do we delete recipies that haven't been transwikied to wikibooks? [[User:Theresa knott|theresa knott]] 16:22, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***I shortened my vote from the way I usually put it. - I will correct it - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 16:23, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. ''It is not a recipe,'' it is a description of a regional cuisine. It should either be moved to an appropriate page (North African cuisine, Moroccan cuisine, or whatever) or merged with an appropriate article. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 16:28, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**This time I am voting -keep article has been translated into english and moved to the correct name.[[User:Theresa knott|theresa knott]] 16:54, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


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====[[Richard Genovese]]====
- was previously listed, got 2/3 majority to delete, was not deleted. I'll list it again until it is either deleted or there is a fixed definition of the criteria for deletion. It is absurd that any sysop can decide "2/3 is not a good enough consensus for me" and remove it from here without deleting it. --[[User:Wik|Wik]] 16:33, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep but blank until it is proven that there is a such person. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 16:48, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***This is ridiculous. There are references provided on the page, and previous versions of the page show a great many more references. Other than the references provided, which you can certainly look up, what kind of &quot;proof&quot; are you looking for? --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 16:58, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
****Who's Who has doubtful credibility in my mind. And I'm not even sure what edition is being referred to. Is it claimed that he's in '''every''' edition since 1982? The parfaite reference is written by you. That's original research, and isn't credible enough. The arte.net link doesn't even work, but doesn't seem credible. Exhibition catalogue is hosted on a free home page. Not credible at all. If the Who's Who reference turns out to be real, and it turns out to be a respected source, then I'd recommend that this be restored. But until then or some other verification comes along, I don't think this belongs in Wikipedia. Anyway, that's my suggestion, you don't have to like it. But if you're intending your comment as a keep vote please be specific so Wik doesn't bring this back here yet again. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 17:08, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*****The ''Par*faite'' reference is not "written by me" in the sense that I am a contributor to ''Par*faite'' as is Genovese but I am not the editor. To describe as "original research" the fact that two men contributed to the same magazine is as bizarre a distortion of language as I've probably ever seen. The same thing could be said about [http://www.uplandtrout.co.uk/GenoveseMain.html the Richard Genovese page on Upland Trout], for example; Genovese contributed to Upland Trout and so did I and so did a number of others -- is Upland Trout thus my "original research"? If you think that an exhibition catalogue resides solely online it is just another characteristic of the recurrent problem I've seen in Wikipedia, that no matter what they say, people ignore offline sources, and demand that the "confirmation" for the existence of everything (which they demand in extravagant profusion when the topic is one they don't like) is their oracle, Google. Google can be helpful, but when it becomes the be-all and end-all, and Wikipedia is transformed into an eyclopedic rehash of information available through a Google search, the very value of Wikipedia comes into question. I am not hinting at a "keep" vote, by the way, just making some points. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 17:42, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
******My apologies on Par*faite. I thought it was written solely by you. If it's available in print that's news to me, I have no idea where I could get it. You didn't answer my question abobut the Who's Who edition. I'd love to verify this, but I don't really have anything to go on. If Par*faite is available in print, where can I get it? I assume I could get a copy of Who's Who, but I'm not clear on the edition (and I might not be able to get 1982). [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 17:52, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*******Apology accepted. It's sort of available in &quot;print&quot; (it's a CD-ROM magazine); see http://parfaite.digitalartsites.com/offerings.html. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 19:15, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Again. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 20:29, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[William Hill Kelly Jr.]]====
====[[Wikipedia:Who]]====
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- needs to be moved to sep11. - [[User:Hephaestos|Hephaestos]]|[[User talk:Hephaestos|&#167;]] 18:40, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete and move to memorial site - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 18:41, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Del. Obviously non-notable 9/11 victims should be deleted on sight, as we have decided previously not to have them. --[[User:Wik|Wik]] 18:43, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Wik, feel free to propose that on the candidates for speedy deletions talk page. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 18:45, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Delete - Anthony lost a vote to add this to a disambiguation page - so he instead writes an article. Personally I have better things to do than deal with this. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 18:54, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC). See [[Talk:William Kelly]] for background - which also explains why it is still protected
***Explains nothing about why it is still protected. There is no dispute. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 18:58, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Move to sep11 and delete here. -- [[User:Dissident|Dissident]] 19:30, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Delete here. [[User:Silsor|silsor]] 19:49, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)
**By the way, Kelly is one of the more notable 9/11 victims. He has a scholarship fund named after him. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 19:51, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 20:29, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**transwiki to 9/11 and delete. [[User:Theresa knott|theresa knott]] 20:54, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


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====[[The Source]]====
- originally listed as a candidate for [[Wikipedia:Speedy deletions|speedy deletion]], I am listing it here as a member of the [[Leo Wyatt]]/[[Charmed]] discussion above. I personally believe all these pages should be merged into one anyway. -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 19:14, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
* I disagree. Keep. We have lots of other characters from fiction all through Wikipedia ([[Jean-Luc Picard]], [[Bart Simpson]], etc.). I don't see why these should be excluded. There's certainly more than enough information on them. Move to cleanup, though. [[User:RadicalBender|RadicalBender]] 20:37, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


==== [[Homemaker]]====
====[[Canadian gun registry]]====
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- currently a redirect to [[Housewife]], as is [[househusband]]. I would like to delete this in order to move [[Housewife]] to [[homemaker]], and redirect both househusband and housewife to it. Thanks, [[User:Mark Richards|Mark Richards]] 19:28, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**I just moved the text from Housewife to Homemaker and made Housewife into a redirect - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 19:32, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
** Thanks - isn't there something about preserving the edit history though? [[User:Mark Richards|Mark Richards]] 19:33, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
***Mark, there certainly is! Texture, please revert your changes so that we can move the content of Housewife, page history intact, directly to Homemaker. Thanks! [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 19:52, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
****Dang, knew there was a reason I had never done that before... Done. - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 19:54, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
****Thanks, J. Sorry for the trouble - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 20:00, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
*****No problem. Are you and Mark handling fixing all the links that are currently aimed at [[Housewife]]? If not, let me know. For anyone else viewing this, the deletion of the redirect and move of the page is complete. [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 20:03, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
******I'll handle it out of penance... ;) - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 20:05, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


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====[[Bill Van Auken]]====
=== May 25 ===
====[[Jason_Richey]]====
*Probably deserves an article, but this is just an advert for his campaign. [[User:Warofdreams|Warofdreams]] 20:35, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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**Delete - advert - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 20:37, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


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====[[How to care for a pet cockatoo]]====
Do we really want this kind of article in Wikipedia? &mdash; [[User:Timwi|Timwi]] 21:21, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Yes we do. There is a lot of information on that page. [[User:Theresa knott|theresa knott]] 21:44, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
**Where is our general discussion on How-to articles? I think we should have one and divide the how-tos into the sort we want and the sort we don't want -- having the nono-howtos then as speedy deletions. [[User:Sverdrup|&mdash; Sverdrup]] [[User talk:Sverdrup|(talk)]] 21:54, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)


====[[Unofficial Slogan]]====
====[[CCITT X.409 '84]]====
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Had had the VFD notice since 19 Feb; Was listed here as [[Unofficial slogan]] (a page that did not exist), and removed a few hours later. Original listing comment: ''Mostly a duplicate of slogan subsection on [[Kerikeri]]. Redirecting would seem a bit strange because 'unofficial slogan' is a generic term. Idril 10:27, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)'' -[[User:Rholton|Rholton (aka Anthropos)]] 21:48, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

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==== [[Bandwagon Oklahoma Music]] and [[BandwagonOK]] ====
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====[[Tom Jackson]]====
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====[[Robert Kyle Wilson]]====
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====[[Massage_Therapy_School_-_NMSNT]]====
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====[[Jetsam]]====
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====[[Knut_Lyngar]]====
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====[[True Magic]]====
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====[[Stepping-stone democrat]]====
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====[[Cap N1ne]]====
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====[[Phartcore_metal]]====
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====[[User:195.93.34.12/message]]====
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====[[Kevin_Anderson]]====
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====[[Stuffology]]====
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====[[Trosh]]====
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====[[Toas]]====
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====[[Jerome War Relocation Center]]====
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====[[Tarppy]]====
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====[[Ulrike Köhler]] and [[Jochen Köhler]]====
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=== May 26 ===
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====[[Sexdecillion]], [[Quattuordecillion]], [[Quindecillion]], [[Tredecillion]], [[Undecillion]]====
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====[[Star of the County Down]]====
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====[[William Guzzardi]]====
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====[[David Pearce]]====
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====[[Hedonistic imperative]]====
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====[[Nick Bostrom]]====
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====[[World Transhumanist Association]]====
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==== [[Michael H. Hart]] ====
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====[[Partit Nacionalista Liberal de Catalunya]]====
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====[[Cairns State High School]]====
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=== May 27 ===
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====[[Guánica Bay]]====
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====[[Vollis]]====
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====[[Mr.Bits]]====
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====[[List of people who have not committed suicide]]====
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====[[Kassandra Hiroshima]] and [[Kassandra HiroshimA]]====
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====[[A. Smith]]====
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====[[Digivolve]]====
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====[[Nothlit (Animorphs)]]====
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=== May 28 ===
====[[Heck]]====
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====[[Mudgik]]====
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Apologies, was not logged in.

I do not expect you to understand the importance a mutable archive of Mudgik would provide the Mudgik community. The remark is blunderous; importance is relative.

It is not a [[website]] it was a [[MUD]].

It exists today in two forms (I am still researching them).



For more MUDs that aren't 'that important' please see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUD#Popular_MU*s


Keepers. [[User:Yeago|Yeago]] 04:09, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

====[[Claire Chow]]====
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====[[Advanet]]====
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====[[Template:Top seeds for French Open 2004]]====
Is there going to be one of these for every Grand Slam in every year? By the end of the year, will there be four of these on the [[Serena Williams]] page with eighty names listed? At the end of five years, will there be twenty of them on her page? [[User:RickK|Rick]][[User talk:RickK|'''K''']] 04:03, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

====[[Miscible]]====
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dicdef. Had vfd added on May 23, does not seem to have made it here. Ianb 23:29, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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Guff

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Dictdef for foreign language. Possible candidate to move to Wiktionary. →Iñgólemo← (talk) 07:49, 2004 Dec 5 (UTC)

  • Delete: Extremely suspicious dictdef: "Guff" is a common AmEng word for "sass, disrespectful speech," and the citation in this article is to Madame Blavatsky's group. Geogre 15:17, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete In English, guff means nonsense, which describes this article. Wyss 18:49, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • No Preference Guff is English. It comes from the Hebrew language as most english words originate from other languages. The description is accurate for English, but as mentioned above, perhaps does not cover all the ways the word is used. In "Madame Blavatsky's group" and quite possibly other groups, this is the meaning of the word. Knightt 19:21, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. dictdef. --MPerel 21:03, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

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Similar to Wan Ling Record. This was contributed by a user who was only around for one day and added only quotes. This article consists entirely of, not surprisingly, a series of quotes. - Nat Krause 14:18, 24 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. It's a name of some Buddhist text [1] and this looks like a collection of quotes from it. I would be glad if Wikipedia had articles about Buddhist texts but they should be in encyclopedic style. Not collections of quotes without any explanation. Andris 14:52, May 24, 2004 (UTC)

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Text copied from front page of the site (Alexa rank of 127,106) which is the subject of this page. I'm uncertain whether the site is notable enough to have an article, but the current content is just an ad. — A.M. 18:30, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

  • Delete. Advertisement for website. Also now listed as a copyvio, but that's irrelevant if we delete it anyway. No evidence that the site is encyclopedic, although it appears to be well done at first glance IMO. Andrewa 20:23, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete Ad Wyss 20:24, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete Ad Trust 20:25, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete Ad Brody 20:25, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete Ad MAtty 20:28, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Ad Jayjg 20:34, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete: Ad, and Wikipedia is not a web guide. Geogre 22:10, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Absolutely, positively delete. [[User:GRider|GRider\talk]] 17:27, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Flashback to May: deleted 3-0. The previous version of the page is apparently no longer in the undelete database, so I can't say that it is a repost of the same material (which would make it a speedy). No vote. --rbrwr± 14:43, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • keep - highly relevant to the web development and graphic design community's history
  • Obviously worthless. --YixilTesiphon
  • Relevant as documentation of an experiment in self moderation and community building online. mrRed

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vanity page. Name gets 6 google hits. Zoda, who wrote this page, is Knut Lyngar's nickname according to [2]. Maximus Rex 07:49, 25 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, I've added "Non-syndicated radio disc-jockeys that haven't become a major news item due to controversy, etc. Out." to WIWO. Niteowlneils 19:27, 27 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
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Non-notable musician. Name only gets two Google hits as a musician and one as an album cover designer. RickK 20:51, Jul 25, 2004 (UTC)

  • Delete musical vanity/self-promotion. -- Cyrius|✎ 00:28, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. SWAdair | Talk 02:44, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete vanity. Since bands are all out of business and rappers and DJ's are in business, I suppose that means that we'll be getting 4 times the number of these articles, now. Geogre 03:31, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • I listed it as a speedy since this same article was deleted a couple of months ago. Can we make it go away again? - Lucky 6.9 18:27, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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I know that this article has been listed on VFD twice already, but you guys need to understand what is going on with this article:

This article is obvious googlebombing with the links, each "article" is really a link to one of the many thousands of domains this guy owns. These links are also found in many other related articles. Im sure David Pierce or an associate himself has been adding most of these links.

This guy owns these domain names: http://www.hedweb.com/paradise.html

By owning such a gigantic amount of cross linking domain names, his websites dominate many drug searches on google. David Pearce thus then might be notable enough for these facts, but these facts were removed from the article.

edit by the guy who put this on vfd:

Don't believe this guy is notable because of articles or interviews mentioned here, notice that most of those are hosted on his own websites so they are questionable. He might very well be notable for the gigantic amount of domain names he owns, all with some form of original content on them, which tend to dominate many search results, especially for obscure drugs. The problem is however, it is very likely him or a friend who created this article, or added the links to it, so its always a very potentially dangerous article.

  • (Above unsigned entry is from User:67.180.61.179).
  • David Pearce is a British visionary...bwhuaahaa...oh vanity alright. Delete. Wyllium 19:58, 2004 Nov 13 (UTC)
  • Delete or edit down to stubbitude. --jpgordon{gab} 19:11, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • As it is, it's nothing but a link farm. Delete. DS 19:30, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. silsor 19:41, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Promotional. Slightly off-topic, but people might want to take a look at Talk:American World University#Handling promotional links. I'm suggesting that whenever someone has qualms about the promotional effect of a link but wish to preserve it as a service to readers, that it be replaced with a substitute from tinyurl or similar services. To my surprise, this is a controversial suggestion, but I'd like to explore it further or see whether others have better ideas. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 19:57, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete: Hooooooo boy those are some links! Putting nowiki in front of all of them works well, and while the article is on VfD, we're supposed to do that anyway. I'd almost have seen this speedied for patent nonsense. He wants to "abolish the chemical substrates of suffering?" What? I suffer, but I'm not sure it's on a chemical substratum level. Geogre 20:08, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • "the abolition of the chemical substrates of suffering in all sentient life.". Um, okay. Even if we got rid of the excessive links, this language itself makes it delete-worthy. Delete. RickK 20:58, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. --DMG413 22:22, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete Jayjg 12:04, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Vanity, Promo --Improv 15:38, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete: vanity, promo. Wile E. Heresiarch 04:50, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Since Pearce is obviously a notable figure, the most sensible thing to do would be to shorten the bibliography section and delete all its links, which I have done. Loremaster 20:09, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • What is your evidence supporting the judgement "obviously a notable figure"? I'll admit that I don't see it and consider this currently a delete candidate. Rossami (talk) 06:02, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
      • As a leading figure in a movement that is getting increasing media, academic and political attention, Pearce should have an article. And, since the controversial content has been edited out of the article, this dispute is now moot. Loremaster 16:59, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
      • I'm not sure if I would call Pearce a "obviously notable figure", but his major work, The Hedonistic Imperative, is well-known within transhumanist communities. -- Schaefer 20:49, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Yes, this was quite likely created as a vanity page, but if the links can be kept off, it shouldn't be a problem. I'll admit that his only well-known writing is The Hedonistic Imperative, so while there's no profound need for a page just about him, the page has been edited to the point where it's no longer just blatant self-promotion. -- Schaefer 20:36, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. If this was created as a vanity page, it was not done by David Pearce or his associates - I know this fact personally. Some people are quick to play down the notability of others for obvious reasons. Given that there is no such thing as an unbiased attribution of value or notability - we should instead thank this fellow for his pioneering and visionary work. Ask yourselves if the abolition of suffering is more important than one's contribution to an impossibly "unbiased" collection, life is short.Sean Henderson 22:20, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Note that Sean Henderson is the name of one of David Pearce's associates (as mentioned in the article)67.180.61.179 02:01, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. While I find a great deal to dispute with the man and most of the Transhumanist movement I think at least from with in the movement his works are discussed and he's moderately well known. Notable? I hope not, but I wouldn't make that judgment for anyone else. —Florescentbulb 02:56, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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If David Pearce gets vfd'd, his organization ought to get put up for a vote as well. --DMG413 15:30, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • KEEP. This organization has been getting some significant attention due to the public interest in, and press coverage of, transhumanism. Let's not get carried away due to the problems with the David Pierce article. Loremaster 16:01, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • I'd rather not delete it for guilt by association, but what does this article actually say? It says, "WTA was founded by X & Y. It's goals are good. See the following 6 links." Abstain, pending any indication of notability whatever for anything good (as opposed to infamy for being a spam factory). Geogre 19:42, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Definitely notable. --Improv 20:04, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. I don't like that logic, we can't eliminate anything just because its creator is non-notable. - Lifefeed 21:12, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep for reasons stated by Loremaster. GRider 23:05, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Pearce's notability is questionable, but I consider the co-founder Nick Bostrom notable and the WTA itself even more so. -- Schaefer 21:08, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Definite keep. I would like to see some expansion though, maybe on the lines of what sets this transhumanist group apart or makes it unique among the others. Any takers? Inky 04:51, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep, and BAH! on Transhumanists. —Florescentbulb 03:59, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete link repository. Might as well say North Valley Clown Alley was founded by Bongo the Clown and other clowns. They win awards. Everyone loves clowns. See the following 8 clown web pages. and y'all know I love clowns. Pedant 08:04, 2004 Nov 19 (UTC)
  • Keep, strongly disagree with Pedant's analogy here. Stop clowning around, deletionism is serious business. [[User:Radman1|RaD Man (talk)]] 17:52, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep - Trollminator 21:40, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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Vanity. No Alexa data [3] [4], no indication on website that there are any other members of this "art movement" besides David Kam. - Hephaestos|§ 20:43, 26 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

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Vollis is a team game/sport, invented, first played and coined in 2002 AD. [...] Vollis is set to grow quite large in the near future and there is a distinct possibility that it could be an Olympic sport by 2012-2016. I can't find any references via google. Vollis doesn't seem to be notable enough for an article in wikipedia. Thue 14:25, 27 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. The final claim that it may be an Olympic sport by 2012 is patent nonsense, and contributes to the impression that this is just a sport thought up by a bunch of kids, and that it hasn't spread much outside that group. Also, a search for the word 'vollis' on search engines produces large numbers of hits for a folk artist called Vollis Simpson, but nothing related to this game. Average Earthman 16:28, 27 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  • "2002 AD," no less. Delete as patent nonsense. - Lucky 6.9 18:45, 27 May 2004
  • Delete - Tεxτurε 19:13, 27 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looks like nonsense. Delete. -- Cyrius|&#9998 19:35, May 27, 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Nonsense. Abigail 21:30, May 27, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep it, even if the assumption is made that kids or some other people you wish to call unnotable invented it, how do you think sports that are played worldwide began? Isn't the Wikipedia a place for people to access any information of interest? If you can't find it on Google after idly clicking around, think of how difficult it would be for someone to find it out of genuine interest (rather than cynicism) without the Wikipedia article? Boutros Boutros
    • I just adore sockpuppets. They're so cute and cuddly. - Lucky 6.9 16:51, 28 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
    • Just to answer the claim by a poster who has never posted anywhere else - apart from the fact that the majority of 'vanity' articles on Wikipedia are contributed by teenagers who appear to lack a proper sense of perspective, the utter obscurity of the game means it is not currently worthy including. As for 'if you can't find it on Google after idly clicking', I used both Google and Teoma, and found only articles about Vollis Simpson or pages in German which my admittedly abysmal grasp of German suggests to me are about some form of table football, one mention of the chairman of the President of the Pan-Macedonian Association, and one reference to US soldier with the surname 'Vollis'. Happy now? Average Earthman 17:44, 28 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well well well, contempt for developing games, disregard for new users to web communities, dislike of teenagers.........Sounds to me like you have a touch of conservative elitism in you. Some people obviously feel uncomfortable when there's changes happening in the world that upset ideals of a concrete state of reality...Fair enough, you can't find the thing on Google, still I think this site's entire purpose is for information, or am I wrong? Boutros Boutros
      • Information, yes, but information about somewhat established stuff of generel interest, ie informative stuff. There is no indication that vollis has grown outside the group of teenagers who invented it. The problem is also that the information is not verifiable. Delete the article for now, but if vollis ever gets widespread we should have an article about it. Thue 09:15, 30 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. If it becomes widely known, we can recreate it, but it does not merit an article now. Andris 02:02, Jun 1, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. For verification see this News thread from 1994, or this google search. It seems it is not only a game but also a bicycle brand. Why don't you deletists work on verifiing these things instead of just listing stuff all the time. Boutros Boutross point is a very good one, even though it doesn't look like this term was coined in 2002....
    • No. I looked through google hits from your search (ones which were in English). There is exactly 1 hit about vollis game. The rest are mostly about people with first/last name being Vollis. 1 google hit does not justify inclusion. Andris 19:50, Jun 2, 2004 (UTC)

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This had a VFD before that stated keep; although it's mentioned in Allmusic.com (according to User:Wyllium), the article itself is dead-end. Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 04:51, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

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Orphan, dubious. Unvarifiable, vanity or prank? Top google hits for "Mr.Bits" don't seem relevant. Zero google hits for the terms Mr.Bits Chicago Comedian together, no hits for "The Bits & Clone Show", Bitskateers. -- Infrogmation 18:34, 27 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

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Either this is a real term presented poorly or it's the greatest piece of quackery I've ever seen here. Is there a physicist in the house? - Lucky 6.9 18:38, 27 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

  • From what (little) physics I know I can't find any inaccuracies. I think it would be more appropriate to list this at Wikipedia:Pages_needing_attention. I have listed it there. Thue 18:56, 27 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  • Real term poorly presented. Move to Clean-up. I'll try if/when I can find my old textbooks. Rossami 20:59, 27 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Quantum phase transition" gets over 7000 google hits. Clicking on a few google hits suggest that the page isn't blatent nonsense. I don't know enough of quantum physics to know how accurate the information is - but since I lack the knowledge to judge the accuracy, I won't vote for delete. Abigail 21:04, May 27, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Real phenomenon. Not a good VfD listing IMO, we should be listing and voting on things we do know something about (as others have said more gently). There are other places for asking questions. As Wikipedia grows this becomes more and more important. Andrewa 21:09, 27 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  • In either case it doesn't belong on VfD. If it is a real term presented poorly, it is still clearly a encyclopedic topic and doesn't belong on VfD. On the other hand, if the person who posted the VfD request doesn't understand the topic well enough to determine if it is "quackery", it doesn't belong on VfD. Keep. ElBenevolente 21:16, 27 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's perfectly OK with me. It's not that I didn't understand the topic. It was so badly written that I simply couldn't comprehend what I was reading. There was a patently nonsensical article here last week that was couched in pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo. I wasn't certain if this was the same sort of thing, hence my electing to bring it here. It's already on "pages needing attention," so by all means, keep. And let's try and keep the personal attacks to a minimum, OK? - Lucky 6.9 21:34, 27 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Mikkalai has revised the article. It's certainly more readable now, anyway. Average Earthman 17:48, 28 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

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The most ridiculous list of people I have seen here so far, as everyon not on List of people who commited suicide can be listed there. I was tempted to delete it by speedy deletion directly as being patent nonsense. andy 20:12, 27 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

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Ladies and gentlemen. Presented for your voting pleasure is an individual of eclectic background who garners an incredible two hits on Google, both referring back to his/her own articles on other sites. - Lucky 6.9 21:46, 27 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

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Cannot be found on either Allmusic.com or Google. Vanity? --Wyllium 21:58, 2004 May 27 (UTC)

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There's nothing in this article that actually means anything, and even what it appears to mean is too trivial to be worth mentioning. Tonusperegrinus 22:27, 27 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was keep. This doesn't preclude redirect, but there isn't a consensus to redirect. --Tony SidawayTalk 13:45, 14 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Apologies, was not logged in.

I do not expect you to understand the importance a mutable archive of Mudgik would provide the Mudgik community. The remark is blunderous; importance is relative.

It is not a website it was a MUD.

It exists today in two forms (I am still researching them).


For more MUDs that aren't 'that important' please see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUD#Popular_MU*s


Keepers. Yeago 04:09, 28 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Claire Chow

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Delete - as the pages states, a student who works for Canada customs at Lester Pearson Airport. Burgundavia 03:31, May 28, 2004 (UTC)

It's already gone. RickK 03:32, 28 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Bikeshed

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Dicdef of a slang term. And if it were to be kept, it should be moved to Bikeshedding. RickK 03:46, 28 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Advanet

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This page is an archive of the discussion surrounding the proposed deletion of the page entitled Advanet.

This page is kept as an historic record.

The result of the debate was to delete the article.

Some explanation? What is it? Is this worth keeping? RickK 03:54, 28 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue or the deletion should be placed on other relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

Template:Top seeds for French Open 2004

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Is there going to be one of these for every Grand Slam in every year? By the end of the year, will there be four of these on the Serena Williams page with eighty names listed? At the end of five years, will there be twenty of them on her page? RickK 04:03, 28 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Miscible

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Dicdef. Meelar 04:22, 28 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

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This section describes how to list articles and their associated talk pages for deletion. For pages that are not articles, list them at other appropriate deletion venues or use copyright violation where applicable. As well, note that deletion may not be needed for problems such as pages written in foreign languages, duplicate pages, and other cases. Use Wikipedia:Proposed mergers for discussion of mergers.

Only a registered, logged-in user can complete steps II and III. (Autoconfirmed registered users can also use the Twinkle tool to make nominations.) If you are unregistered, you should complete step I, note the justification for deletion on the article's talk page, then post a message at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion requesting that someone else complete the process.

You must sign in to nominate pages for deletion. If you do not sign in, or you edit anonymously, you will get stuck part way through the nomination procedure.

I – Put the deletion tag on the article.
  • Insert {{subst:afd1}} at the top of the article. Do not mark the edit as minor.
    If this article has been nominated before, use {{subst:afdx|2nd}} or {{subst:afdx|3rd}} etc.
  • Include in the edit summary AfD: Nominated for deletion; see [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NominationName]]. replacing NominationName with the name of the page being nominated. Publish the page.
    The NominationName is normally the article name (PageName), but if it has been nominated before, use "PageName (2nd nomination)" or "PageName (3rd nomination)" etc.)
II – Create the article's deletion discussion page.

The resulting AfD box at the top of the article should contain a link to "Preloaded debate" in the AfD page. Click that link to open the article's deletion discussion page for editing. Some text and instructions will appear.

You can do it manually as well:

  • Click the link saying "deletion discussion page" to open the deletion-debate page.
  • Insert this text:
    {{subst:afd2 | pg=PageName | cat=Category | text=Why the page should be deleted}} ~~~~
    Replace PageName with the name of the page, Category with a letter from the list M, O, B, S, W, G, T, F, and P to categorize the debate, and Why the page should be deleted with the reasons the page should be deleted.
  • If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a {{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done.
  • Use an edit summary such as Creating deletion discussion for [[PageName]]. Publish the page.
III – Notify users who monitor AfD discussions.
  • Open the articles for deletion log page for editing.
  • At the top of the list on the log page (there's a comment indicating the spot), insert:{{subst:afd3 | pg=NominationName}}
    Replace NominationName appropriately (use "PageName", "PageName (2nd nomination)", etc.)
  • Link to the discussion page in your edit summary: Adding [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NominationName]]. Publish the page.
  • Consider letting the authors know on their talk page by adding: {{subst:Afd notice|Page name}} ~~~~
    If this is not the first nomination, add a second parameter with the NominationName (use "PageName (2nd nomination)" etc.): {{subst:Afd notice|PageName|NominationName}} ~~~~
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