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::Haha, we are doing the same thing at once. &mdash; [[User:Indon|Indon]] ([[User_talk:Indon |<font color="green">reply</font>]]) &mdash; 14:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
::Haha, we are doing the same thing at once. &mdash; [[User:Indon|Indon]] ([[User_talk:Indon |<font color="green">reply</font>]]) &mdash; 14:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
::Sorry my fault i should have sent you chris's instruction - I hope you dont mind my having done it on your behalf. [[User:SatuSuro|Satu]][[User talk:SatuSuro|Suro]] 14:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
::Sorry my fault i should have sent you chris's instruction - I hope you dont mind my having done it on your behalf. [[User:SatuSuro|Satu]][[User talk:SatuSuro|Suro]] 14:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

:::No problem. -- the preceding unsigned message is given by me --


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However,....

Indon does not have faith anymore in Wikipedia. When he's actively online, it means he almost falls asleep and hits the monitor screen. Vandals and spammers are his caffeine drink, but not POV-users (oh, heaven forbids those creatures in Wikipedia). Okay, tafandria mandry tompoko!

Talk Archived

— Indon (reply) — 09:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Newsletter

Merbabu & SatuSuro, please proofread the new Newsletter: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Indonesia/Newsletter. — Indon (reply) — 10:32, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alfred Russell Wallace is now GA. Merbabu 12:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, wow! We have more GA's now. :-) — Indon (reply) — 12:14, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any room for the tagging issue at all? or is that final size? like theres blank space on the left hand side? - it looks very good! SatuSuro 13:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No it is not yet distributed. SatuSuro, you can edit them here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Indonesia/Newsletter/Week9 2007. — Indon (reply) — 13:11, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent! Much better! - except should we create a link for the noticeboard where it is mentioned? SatuSuro 22:27, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Indon – I think the newsletter is good. But, don’t be afraid to make it a little bigger, especially given this is the first in a long time. I will make a copy and expand a little bit and so you can consider.Merbabu 22:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Indon, I've made some changes here User:Merbabu/Newsletter. I feel that rather just a plain list, we should provide a bit of interesting commentary to the articles to encourage some interest. What do you think? Merbabu 23:20, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good ! go for it SatuSuro 01:25, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I just remembered, do we need a reminder not to blindly translate article from id wikipedia without references? Or has the horse well and truly bolted on this one? Merbabu 01:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe very carefully and diplomatically worded - otherwise we are inadvertantly putting a number on that project that they dont need.... yes - with care..SatuSuro 01:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
ha ha - yes, maybe it is better to keep quiet and just pounce when it actually does happened. The reality is, we are too late anyway. At least 1/2 of the projects articles I'm guessing were just translations of unreferenced material. Let's leave it out. Merbabu 01:58, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fine - we need to put a thing up in the project front page re the issue This project is not a simple translation of the in or jav project materials - and discourages direct translation as a way of creating articles or word like that SatuSuro 02:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Just say that any translations from id will be removed unless every aspect translated carries a WP:RS (and not just part of the translated sections - the threat of having one's time rendered wasted should do the trick. Another problem (which is not as bad) is the tendancy not to provide in-line cites. It woudl be fine if the article was going to be static, but after additionaly info is inevitably added it becomes less clear what part of the texts the citations are actually referring too. But maybe that is one for the next issue! Merbabu 02:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh well, this is bad if I am not in the same time zone with you guys. I saw the newsletter and it is much better, Merbabu. Let's go for it. Do the spam !! :-) (I prefer to give only link to Wikipedia:WikiProject Indonesia/Newsletter) — Indon (reply) — 08:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah do it - it looks good! SatuSuro 08:13, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, have I been nominated spammer in chief? Are we sure we want a link, and not a template? OK, i will get it done soon. Gotta get dinner ready right now though. Merbabu 08:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I guess you've volunteered yourself :-). Yeah, I think link is better than template, because we keep Newsletter in the archive. Okey, get your dinner first, spam can wait. I just had my gado-gado yesterday. :-) — Indon (reply) — 08:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Terlalu tentang makan - saya sudah penuh... spam dan gado-gado ?? wah saya tak bisa campur - actually they do have halal spam! I hadnt realised ... SatuSuro 09:10, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Never touched that can product, ;-) — Indon (reply) — 09:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You have missed nothing. Merbabu 12:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Categories

Menurut Pendapat Saya tentang di bawah Harus berhenti sampai kereta admin datang dengan kata kata tentang tiga R atau point SatuSuro 14:25, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How do i create them? I want to organise the Category:History of Indonesia sub-catsMerbabu 13:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to create a new sub category S as a child of category P, then you must create a dead-link in an article, that is [[Category:S]]. Click the redlink and in the new category you just add its parents, that is [[Category:P]]. Hope it helps. — Indon (reply) — 13:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK, great. I think I got it. Merbabu 13:08, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
My hesitation about categories within the Indonesia project - is that it ties in with the stubs - and I have had encounters with the stub police - the problem with most things like this is that technically any ediot (that is it in a nutshell- tyop - but it measn what i mean :) - can create a stub (if the police dont get em) or a cat without deferring to the project - the best experience with all this is to travel into the Cfd and Sfd areas- where it gets to the gauntlet (sorry indon - seperti trying to naik sepeda terus jalan sempit tanpa lampu.. sort of) of editors arguing about categories underpopulated - and unlikely to be - and so on ... what i would suggest is that where one of our project categories gets too large - that it goes in the project that we have created such and such - best to read WP:Category quickly first just to get a clue of policies and suggestions -. It really does need a project discussion - I am not doubting merbabu's capacity to make effective categories - and I don not want to stop him - but i am saying we need to have a discussion about this afternoons suharto category - and maybe we should have a thing at project level. (as well as the process of stub creattion as well needs to be widely explained...) - or could i have space at the next project newsletter about tagging, categories and stubs? sorry be to a wet squib - but its an imprortant area to have clear guidelines otherwise every orang gila will want have their day... - like ooh i want ot create a catgory tooo - sort of stuff... SatuSuro 13:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK, sorry Dad. ;-) A fair point. But perhaps on this occassion I haven't stuffed up too bad with National Revolution sub-cat. I was actually thinking about grouping the articles in chronological groups not too dissimalar to our sexy Indonesian History Series template. For example, another sub-cat could be Category:Japanese Invasion of Indonesia for all those WW2 battles, and another for the occupation itself, also something like Category:Historic Indonesian Kingdoms or Category:Historic Indonesian Islamic states for things like Kudus, Demak, and Jepara. regards 'Orang Gila' ;-) (Merbabu 13:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Its all a matter of how they tie in in relation to parentage (so much for bapak) - and how they relate - the parent category and anak category if they are populated by sufficient numbers of articles its ok - but cats with less then 10 arts are potentially in the sights of the cat police! sometimes 20 is the minumum for the really good fights at cfd! so much for bapak dan anak - harus dapat banyak anak untuk dapat bapak 'cat' SatuSuro 13:41, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh Indon - in my discussions with admins here in australia - I have been extensively tying in australian categories with WP Australia...class=NA - which effectively creates the appropriate label for the category without messing things up, I would like to start for Indonesia- but I remember your concern about doing something like that some time ago - I would like to do it - as long as you realise there is no harm in doing so! SatuSuro 13:41, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In many WP fields, Category is something that I never looked into. Sorry, I have no experiences for this. What I felt annoying is a "template contributor" where they created a lot of useless templates to clutter article. — Indon (reply) — 14:21, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Arrggh! terror templates from hell! please dont remind me - they deserve eternal damnation - no I am talking about the article page template at all - but for the talk page only - I just did this few minutes ago - on the talk page only - not a template but a good way of checking what categorys are being used in the project -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Western_Australia_geography_stubs it is a good accounting measure for the project regarding categoryes - but i did not want to start until i checked again - if it meets your approval - will become unoficial indonesian project cat police - and this is the first stage - to check all cats! and add the wp indonesia clss=NA to every one i find - then at the end we can see what we have! SatuSuro 14:33, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you meet the requirement (which one?? :-). So you're the cat police for WP indonesia, and please find those "rats" ! :-D — Indon (reply) — 14:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK I do it only on the condition that I will stop and explain - if there are any problems with the new part of the project which will come up as a group of category home pages as a non-article collection. SatuSuro 22:25, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Cleared 140 today - not sure how many there are to go - lots of issues to discuss - will keep it all till finished - SatuSuro 08:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Got to 180 and still counting today - some are very funny, some a quite sad SatuSuro 09:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"but cats with less then 10 arts are potentially in the sights of the cat police! sometimes 20 is the minumum for the really good fights at cfd! so much for bapak dan anak" And I'd always been taught that Dua Anak Anak Cukup, but that clearly doesn't apply here! :) --Bwmodular 12:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
When I was in Yogya in 85 the billboards seeemed to be everywhere with that. In 95-96 they had lessened in number... potential Categories for deletion candidates here in this i am tight lipped until i can find some means by which we see the total picture - and some form of the project having a discussion about the thing... and etc etc etc SatuSuro 12:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Indonesia - February Newsletter

Hello there! Please click here for the latest edition of the Wikiproject Indonesia Newsletter.

We hope it gets you interested in the some aspect of the project. Please contact Indon or Merbabu if you have any comments or suggestions (or do not want to receive this newsletter). regards Merbabu 08:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Newsletter's great - long may it continue in its new format and encourage the populace to join in! SatuSuro 12:02, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yup, nice work Indon. Merbabu 12:28, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, it's us, not me. I only wish other Indo editors would go improving articles by the newsletter, because I only see 5 members working on the project currently. — Indon (reply) — 12:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Have no fear - they'll feel inspired... in time... sabar... SatuSuro 12:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Java and Yogya

I've uploaded new versions of these two maps, knowing that they will probably need a bit more work, but at least they now use the standard base map. How do you think we should deal with these two provinces - they are so small they hardly show up. See here: here and here for usage examples. Do we want to have big arrows pointing to the provinces as on the previous maps - I think a thicker PB line will not even show up. Just thought I'd see if you have any thoughts before I start experimenting.

PS If you check the usage of the Jakarta map in Commons, many of the different Wiki's have their own versions of the Jakarta map, wheras they all use the Commons images for the others. Once we have a standard we're happy with for this map, should we suggest deletion from the other wikis? Just how BOLD do we want to be? :) --Bwmodular 12:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Campaignboxes

{{Campaignbox Iraq War terrorism}} {{Campaignbox Second Chechen War terrorism}} {{Campaignbox al-Qaeda attacks}} See? more of that existing... Please cancel ur nomination --TheFEARgod (Ч) 13:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Belts and braces

Of course it doesn't do any large-scale harm to put both belts and braces on the Hudibrastic verse, as it's either way a very small effect. But on its scale, I think it's harmful rather than positive, yes. It's redundant; redundancy is not good. It needlessly introduces a subscription-only service—always to be avoided, if possible, use only in emergencies. It's mega-possible to avoid it here, as the note seems to me purely decorative. What's the point of it? Er, don't you trust Wikipedia as a reference work? The article Hudibrastic is actually very good. (Geogre wrote it.) And now fully referenced![1] :-P Bishonen | talk 13:36, 27 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Fixmanius's message

Mate, I've seen your edit on the Metro_TV page (removal of the programmes and presenters lists), mind to tell me why such pages of American TV Stations like Fox, CBS, CNBC, etc still have the lists? Which one is true and which one needs correction? Surely you know more of wikipedia than me.

(I've read this "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_directory") — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fixmanius (talk • contribs)

Campaign templates - withdraw & renomiinate seperately

Hi Indon, it'll be a brave admin that will close the current discussion with a result of Delete. Most likely it'll be close with no consensus. What I suggest is that you withdraw the current nomination stating that each box needs to be addressed seperately. Then relist each as a seperate nomination. Gnangarra 10:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see the point but individual nominations are more effective Gnangarra 12:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

26 Withdrawing a tfd nom

If you withdraw the tfd nom, as far as i know you can close it (but i am not 100% sure). What you do is put

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Withdrawn my nom SatuSuro 14:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC) at the top and put[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

at the bottom. Hope this helps. --

This is the advice that i have received - do you want help? SatuSuro 14:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly, I don't know much how to do it, perhaps an administrator (Gnangarra) can do it for me? — Indon (reply) — 14:10, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sudah, SatuSuro 14:14, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Haha, we are doing the same thing at once. — Indon (reply) — 14:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry my fault i should have sent you chris's instruction - I hope you dont mind my having done it on your behalf. SatuSuro 14:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. -- the preceding unsigned message is given by me --

Repeated message

Mohon maaf - apology for the confusion - indeed we need as a project to decide which one is the main - or how to get the three talking to each other - if it is possible. Hopefully we can decide which way to go SatuSuro 11:51, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the clarification. I will make note of that. I was a bit concerned that some editors/user might only have one of the three on their watch list - maybe something for the next newsletter to clarify where main messages come from... SatuSuro 11:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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