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	Please do not edit archived pages. If you want to react to a statement made in an archived discussion, please make a new header on THIS page. Baristarim 23:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply] ; Archives: Archive 1 - Archived on December 7, 2006; Archive 2 - To be Archived on ... ;

Persian literature or another literatures

Because Movlavi(Rumi) books are in Persian, it must be arranged in Persian literature category. How do you arrange him in other literature categories when all his books are in Persian. If you want to arrange him in another literature, first please go to literature page and declare a new definition for literature satisfy your claim. The second think I must say is that for Movlavi(Rumi), language and tribe was not important. He believe idea is important not language, as he says
ای بسا هندو و ترک هم زبان
ای بسا دو ترک چون بيگانگان
پس زبان محرمی خود دیگراست
هم دلی از هم زبانی بهتر است

There are many Turks and Hidu understand each other well(have the same language)
There are so many couples of Turks that don't understand each other.(don't have a common language)
So the language of mutual understandig is something else
Having common ideas is more important than having the same laguage.

I know at least he once talks about language and he says:

پارسی گو، گرچه تازی خوشتر است
عشق را خود صد زبان ديگر است

Speak Persian, though Arabic is nicer
The language of love(I mean عشق in Persian) is another

I know my translation is full of error. I apolagize for this bad translation. If you know Persian and English perfectly. I'll be glad to fix them.

--Soroush83 13:16, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"No language can be superior to another. Just like no nation can be superior to another. Take time to read on the development of the Turkish language and see how the Republic of Turkey respects all languages and nations in the world. Just like what the Mevlevi Order followed. And thanks to Mustafa Kemal Ataturk"
--Atalana 22:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah ... I guess that's why Kurds, Armenians and Greeks have such a good time in Turkey, right?! Tājik 22:58, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- Tajik, I think you better not contaminate this encyclopedia with your hatred and ignorance. Visit Turkey, if you can bear it without getting sick in the stomach from jealousy, to see how Armenians, Greeks, Jews, and Kurds live much much more freely than the Azeris, Kurds, and Arabs of your country. - Ur

And don't remove from the article a person who is currently a highly influential Dede in the Mevlana Order. And remember Mevlana had to flee the Persian Empire due to the protection from the Mongolians and he found peace in the Seljuk Empire which is a Turkish Empire, a breeding ground for the Ottoman Empire both economically and socially. He settled in Konya and gave the world an important way of thinking Sufisim. Yes by race he can be Persian if it is that important but due to his influence to the Turkish Society we regard just like one of us. Just like Rumi would have expected to be.

And remember Tājik get a life!

Atalana 15:03, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

@ Ur: there are actually no Azeris, Kurds, or Arabs in my country ... and, for your information, I have been in Turkey once. Really nice country with nice people ... but the Kurdish- and Armenian problem is still there. And believe me: Kurds have certainly a better life in fundamentalist Iran (I guess that's the country you think I am from) than in secular, anti-Kurdish Turkey. Just check the latest news Tājik 16:15, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

@ Atalanta: I have not deleted of Marcan Dede, I have moved it to the bottom of the article. So not place his name on top of the list, because there are other, more important personalities linked to Rumi and his works. Btw: the Seljuqs were not a "Turkish Empire", but a Sunni Muslim Empire that traced it's origin to the Turkic Oghuz tribes of Central Asia ... among others (they also claimed to be descendants of the prophet, and direct descendants of the Iranian Sassanid Shahs). The Seljuqs were not the beginning of the Turkic history in Anatolia, but the Beyliqs of Karaman - they were the first kingdom to pomote Turkish language an a unique Turkish national identity in Anatolia. The Seljuqs were Persianate - in language, culture, and identity. Tājik 16:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tājik 16:15, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::: @ Ur: there are actually no Azeris, Kurds, or Arabs in my country ... and, for your information, I have been in Turkey once. Really nice country with nice people ... but the Kurdish- and Armenian problem is still there. And believe me: Kurds have certainly a better life in fundamentalist Iran (I guess that's the country you think I am from) than in secular, anti-Kurdish Turkey. Just check the latest [http://www.thebulletin.org/article.php?art_ofn=ma99mckiernan news] [[User:Tajik|Tājik]] 16:15, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
-::: @ Atalanta: I have not deleted of Marcan Dede, I have moved it to the bottom of the article. So not place his name on top of the list, because there are other, more important personalities linked to Rumi and his works.
+::: @ Atalanta: I have not deleted of Marcan Dede, I have moved it to the bottom of the article. So not place his name on top of the list, because there are other, more important personalities linked to Rumi and his works. Btw: the Seljuqs were not a "Turkish Empire", but a Sunni Muslim Empire that traced it's origin to the Turkic Oghuz tribes of Central Asia ... among others (they also claimed to be descendants of the prophet, and direct descendants of the Iranian Sassanid Shahs). The Seljuqs were not the beginning of the Turkic history in Anatolia, but the [[Karamanoğlu|Beyliqs of Karaman]] - they were the first kingdom to pomote Turkish language an a unique Turkish national identity in Anatolia. The Seljuqs were [[Persianate]] - in language, culture, and identity. [[User:Tajik|Tājik]] 16:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 ::: [[User:Tajik|Tājik]] 16:15, 21 December 2006 (UTC)