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Archive 3

Archive 3 is now up. I tried to just delete the non article related/off topic conversation that was clogging the page, but it was still pretty unwieldy. The only topics that were alive and current to the articles content (as far as I can see) were the one on the alleged Asperger's Syndrome and possibly the one about his former bodybuilding career.

Please don't use the talk page for discussion on Cenas talent or any ongoing angles/gimmicks with him or anyone else. The talk page is for discussion on the articles content only.-- bd (talk to me) (watch me) 05:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Images

Where has the picture of Cena winning the belt at Wrestlemania 21 gone to and I would like to ask the same about the picture of him with the his custom United States Championship. We also need a picture with his current Chain Gang Assult Batalion shirt because it deals with the release of his movie The Marine. Could someone please add them back. Thank you.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.8 (talk)

"Fair use" images have been deleted as they added nothing to the article. His having a new shirt to promote his movie isn't notable. «»bd^{I'm cool!}I'm cocky! _{I'm bad!} 06:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I hugely disagree. Him staring in a movie is a huge thing for any person and there should be something to represent his new soldier gimmic. And could someone possibly add on a picture of Cena's Custom U.S and WWE titles. Thank you.

His movie is important, and is mentioned. The shift to a "soldier" gimmick is mentioned too, though it should be under 2006, where I shall add it. Having a shirt made, however, it is not important. Noting that would open a door to mention every time a wrestler has a new shirt made to go with a new gimmick or catch phrase. I don't know where the title belt pictures went, but I'll try to replace them in a second. «»bd(^talk _stalk) 01:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that you added the images of the titles. Thank you very much. These are very important due to the fact that he designed the spinner version of the U.S. Title and co-designed the spinner WWE Championship with Vince McMahon.

If Cena deisgned either, no wonder they Suck as titles. I believe that his movie should be mentioned, but this list of adding pictures because it relates to him is absurd. The Custom US and WWE titles will be on their respective pages.Surely?--Frontiers Of Honour 20:28, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Absurd, and illegal. -- T H L 20:42, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I will have to disagree with you on this one. They were custom titles that only Cena wore (With the exception of the WWE Championship which was held by Edge {Rob Van Dam DOESN'T COUNT}. They should be on his page just as the Bramah Bull Title of The Rock's should be on his page and the Smoking Skull WWE Championship on Steve Austin's page. Big Boss 0 19:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Day of Reckoning 2" picture

The article states that the picture showing John Cena giving the FU to Kurt Angle is from the video game WWE: Day of Reckoning 2 but clearly it is not. Somebody, who is not a new member (the article is locked for newer members), should edit the text claiming the picture coming from the video game. 62.65.77.155 14:01, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Protected

I have protected this page! The vandalism on this page is unreal!! I hate Cena as much as the next person, and I think he is terrible in the ring, but this vandalism is just immature and very juvenile! Please no one take off the protection on this page. Thanks. --Fr3nZi3 16:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Locks are one of the best things wikipedia has, the vandilism I've seen on pages are HORRIBLE! But i have an idea, what about only someone who vandilized is blocked, or is that possible? Cobra wwe 14:41, 17 December 2006

It is very possible, and what we try to do before protecting a page. There are so many anon vandals on this page that tons of people would have to be blocked, and anon blocks are very short, so they would be back in 2 days. The most efficient way of dealing with this level of vandalism is protection. Cheers, -- T H L 19:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, whatever it takes to make wikipedia the best. At least it will keep vandals out and the information protectedCobra wwe 20:30, 18 December 2006 (UTC)Cobra Wwe[reply]

I don't know why you're cursing Cena so much. You may hate him. You should only say this,"I hate Cena" then nothing else. Cursing is innapropriate for Wikipedia.User:Factual80man

Five Moves Of Doom

I put down how people attack Cena for his Five moves of doom in hopes that there will be less vandalism, but took it back due to the fact it might be taken as vanalism.

Why bother? The "FMOD" aren't even supposed to be here. Blacklist 03:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, you removed it per above. Good. Blacklist 03:46, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Once again I have to tell you that there are 6 moves in the sequence not 5.

Any moves Cena performs or has performed should be added. It doesnt matter if hes used it once or twice, this is an encylopedia on his entire career not just the last few years. So all the moves a sequences should be included, those people who delete are drinking way to much hate-o-rade.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.139.7 (talk)

If we did that the list would potentially become incredibly unwieldy. The current list of signature moves is fine.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 00:36, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Commenting on my edit.

I bolded "Fireman's Carry Powerslam" because thats the version of the FU he does currently. If you want to remove the bold, go ahead, I just thought it would be good to know... TJ Sparks 10:01pm, Nov. 24, 2006 (UTC)

Wooden Leg

I've heard John Cena has a 'wooden / artificial leg'... is this true? 41.243.32.211 11:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No. -- T H L^CCD 12:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That isn't even remotely true. Cena's legs are exposed because of the attire that he wears. Whoever came up with that one must need an eye exam because they would have to be blind to believe that! User: Big Boss 0

OMG Hu ever thort of that dusnt no anything!! lol. User: Tash4johncena

WHAT? A wooden leg??? If he did, he couldn't do half the moves that he does. Nothing more then a rumor.Cobra wwe 20:34, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How long is this block going to last?

It is not really working as I have seen some vandalism on here even when protected. Registered users who have been here a while can still edit. Even if only administrators can only edit this page, sadly people will just wait, be the best account they can be, ask for administration, then vandalize this page immediately afterwards. Maybe they will get tired of it due to the fact the vandals of this page come in groups. If it keeps getting vandalized to a point they will get bored since everyone is doing it and leave. But then again it might not work since this guy is so hated and if they were to get bored they would have a long time ago. So I guess I am just asking when this page is going to be unblocked so it can be updated more quickly since I always see stuff from a month ago being the end of it. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mr Five Moves Of Doom (talk • contribs) 17:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC).--Mr Five Moves Of Doom 17:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I forgot my sig but it looks like it got added anyway--Mr Five Moves Of Doom 17:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Go through the history and look at the page when the lock comes off. Every single time this page is hit incredibly hard and the lock has to come right back on. «»bd(^talk _stalk) 17:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It just happened again. Good Lord people hate on this guy way too much. I don't even know if it is out of hate or they just want to have a page get vandalized so much that the administrators are going to have to think of something crazy to stop it.-- 209.244.43.209 21:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This page should remian locked for a while because idiots keep vandalizing it. At least when it is locked it is harder to get vandalized.User: Big Boss 0

I suspect that User: Crazy Commander is a sockpuppet of User: You're The Man Now Dog.204.42.20.85 20:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure if they are the same person. I checked the history but the attacks do seem similar. User: Big Boss 0

The page has now been unprotected per Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Bowser Koopa. -- Netsnipe ► 03:44, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As usual the vandals are at it again. Bowser Koopa was only part of the problem please do not unlock this page. It will be much harder to vandalize. Big Boss 0 03:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is already unblocked. -- T H L 03:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well someone blocked it again! Big Boss 0 17:31, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It was unblocked, then vandalized 15+ times in the span of a day justifying locking it again. Don't look forward to it being unblocked for very long anytime soon because people are going to continue to be childish.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 18:12, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Military Career??

I recall an episode of some WWE show where Cena was still kind of new, and they showed him in a Marines uniform on the jumbotron - was that just Kayfabe, or was it real?

--Goatrider 03:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it was kayfabe because I haven't found anything reguarding it. Big Boss 0 21:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anal sex

Look, there's been no consensus on this, not even any discussion on it. So can anyone explain why you think it's important to talk about a person's views on anal sex in the biography of a wrestler? Of what relevance to his wrestling career is it? Metros232 06:09, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion took place through edit summaries. In my opinion, no consensus was ever achieved seeing as only three people were involved. I was one of the people for including this in the article, seeing as the sex drive is important to a personality. Cheers, -- T H L 06:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Looking through the history, I can't find it. Just know that over a period of maybe 6 total edits we reached a quiet understanding, but nothing that counts as a consensus in my view. I'm going to be taking a Wikibreak soon, and I don't really care about this to much, so whatever you and the others decide on will work for me. Cheers, -- T H L 06:23, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How is it not relevent? The section is "personal information" which translates to "personal life." How is his sex life not a part of his personal life?BooyakaDell 06:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I see absolutely no discussion/consensus forming in the edit summaries regarding this. The most I see in terms of discussion is BooyakaDell (talk · contribs) adding it several times, it getting reverted several times, then BooyakaDell saying that it's "absolutely notable" then after it gets reverted again, runs around saying "but it's cited, but it's cited". On December 4th, Mikecraig (talk · contribs) added the comment about where it was relevant or not and it hasn't been answered yet.

So, then let's try to form a consensus now rather than running around claiming that one exists. I'll also post a note to WP:BLPN to see if we can get some outside views of this. A lot of the history of this article is just a mass of reverts and edit warring, so let's put a kabash to that before it starts and form consensus now.

It's my opinion that it is of no relevance to his wrestling. If sex drive relates to personality, shouldn't we then discuss sex lives in every biography if we can? If we find out that George W. Bush also has similar views on anal sex, where do we slot that in, between discussion of 9/11 and Iraq? Metros232 06:37, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is relevent to his personal life. I don't think that logic works here...If we find out that George W. Bush also likes Fist of the North Star, where do we slot that in, between discussion of 9/11 and Iraq? That can't be the standard.BooyakaDell 23:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Still waiting for response...BooyakaDell 13:33, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

BooyakaDell, you have absolutely no consensus to add this back, why did you do it anyway? Because I hadn't responded yet? Well, God forbid I was busy doing other things in real life and on Wikipedia. You have two editors who want to put it in, two who don't, and another at the discussion at WP:BLPN who also agrees it shouldn't be put in. You have no consensus to add it back yet, so please don't. Metros232 13:36, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Metro, please be civil (WP:CIVIL) and assume good faith (WP:AGF). There is no way that I could have known that discussion was occurring at a particular place (in this case, WP:BLPN) when you never told me or mentioned the discussion in a previous edit. Thank you.BooyakaDell 13:39, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am being completely civil here. I would think that with my line "I'll post a note to WP:BLPN to see if we can get some outside views of this" in my 06:37, December 16 2006 edit serves as a pretty good notice of my intention to bring it to WP:BLPN as I did. The only reason I haven't actually linked directly to the section for the discussion there is because the links to individual sections on that board are pretty messy. So, no, I think I gave more than enough mention to you that I was taking it to BLPN. Metros232 13:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Phrases such as "God forbid" are not being civil.BooyakaDell 20:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just because something is verifiable doesn't mean it's encyclopedic. On its own the piece of info IMO is sufficiently non-encyclopedic that it should not be included unless the statement itself develops notoriety. That should be able to be established quite easily. If it was just a throw-away statement let it disappear, it's not encyclopedic. If buzz develops around it then add it. Anchoress 10:50, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As a general rule, I can't see why discussion of activities that a person doesn't participate in would be useful information for Wikipedia, unless there would otherwise be reason to believe that the person might participate in that activity. (For example, if a wrestling storyline involved Cena claiming that he did enjoy anal sex, then it would be relevant to mention that he denied engaging in that in real life.) But a general denial is not worth including. If he appeared on the Food Network and said he didn't eat sardines, or on the Travel Channel and said he had never been to Uganda, I wouldn't support having an item in the article saying, "Cena does not eat sardines and has never been to Uganda." --75.0.154.30 07:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Huh...now BooyakaDell's been blocked as a sockpuppet. Interesting. Metros232 18:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nicknames

Hasn't Cena been called "The Doctor Of Thuganomics". I'm sure that when he came into he ring during Wrestlemania 22 that was said. El-Diablo666 19:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I have the Wrestlemania 22 DVD set and he was announced as "The Doctor of Thuganomics". Maybe someone should add this to his page. Big Boss 0 19:19, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It was his nickname up until he made his new theme song and revamped his gimmick. -- T H L 07:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes someone should add it. Off topic slighty is anyone watching WrestleMaina 23 next year.El-Diablo666 18:30, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stabbing

What about when Cena was stabbed? Was that real or kayfabe? Should it be added to the article? Cobra wwe 07:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Could you give some more details. I think I've heard of what you are talking about, but I can't quite remeber. -- T H L 07:55, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's mentioned under 2004 when it happened.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 14:30, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It was kayfabe so that he could film The Marine. Big Boss 0 23:11, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see. -- T H L 23:17, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

@@ Line 156: / Line 156: @@
 ::It's mentioned under 2004 when it happened.«»[[User:Bdve|bd]](<sup>[[User talk:Bdve|talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Bdve|stalk]]</sub>) 14:30, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
-It was kayfabe so that he could film Tha Marine. [[User:Big Boss 0|Big Boss 0]] 23:11, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
+It was kayfabe so that he could film The Marine. [[User:Big Boss 0|Big Boss 0]] 23:11, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 :Ah, I see. -- '''[[Special:Contributions/The Hybrid|<font color="Blue">T</font>]][[User:The Hybrid|<font color="Red">H</font>]][[User Talk:The Hybrid|<font color="Green">L</font>]]''' 23:17, 22 December 2006 (UTC)