Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Archive 8

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Archives
Archive 1 (October 2005 → E³) Archive 2 (24th May → 31st May 2006) Archive 3 (31st May → 6th June 2006) Archive 4 (6th June → 9th July) Archive 5 (9th July → 28th August) Archive 6 (28th August → 12th November) Archive 7 (12th November → 9th December)

Controller

Shouldn't it be put that you CAN use the Wii Classic Controller? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.16.113.148 (talk)

The Classic controller is incompatible with games that use GC and/or Wii contollers, so its unusable. Please sign your posts with four ~ to sign your post. 67.38.17.46 20:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Wrong. They haven't stated if you can use EITHER. For right now, which controller to use is still up in the air. Don't assume. Spindash Shoryuken 22:18, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Read the article. It says that the Wiimote and the GC controller are usable. Seeing how the Classic is unusable on GC games, it's unlikely that it will be usable in the game. 68.74.9.113 01:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Unlikely isn't definite. Either way speculation doesn't belong in the article. --ArrEmmDee 22:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Brawl isn't a GCN game. --Comrade Kesha (talk) 05:24, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I never even suggested putting it on the article, and you guys keep pointing fingers at me. 68.74.0.82 20:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Sakurai said that the Wiimote might be used for minigames. I could get the link, but I'm not in the mood right nowFliptroopa 18:55, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Source now. Wait. *reads article* He won't use any motion for minigames. Nice try Aramjm

I think that this is quite possible. They could even have it write to the GC memory card, though they wouldn't. The Wii-mote is not usable, only GC and Classic.

He didn'y say anything for not using the wiimote. Then again, Tenkaichi 2 can use all three... but speculation doesn't belong here 68.73.7.71 16:01, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Dojo!??!?!!!

If you click on the Super Smash Bros. Brawl Update link on the Wii main site (http://wii.nintendo.com), you'll see that they've removed Brawl from the logo, and put Dojo. In fact, it just says 'Smash Bros. Dojo!!' Is this some joke, or is it official by Nintendo? Either way, I'm bringing it up here for consideration in the article name change. Sorani172 13:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

...Dojo is the name of the site. The game is still Super Smash Brothers Brawl. -Sukecchi 13:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, then! I should've paid more attention to the site. Sorani172 13:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

You should have paid attention to the talk page, this has been brought up before. -Sukecchi 13:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Countless times... -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 16:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey Sorani172, There is FAQ at the top of the page that answeres such common questions. You may want to take a look at it. Master Strike 18:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I can't believe someone else asked this again. Comrade Pajitnov 21:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I can say, hand on heart, that I was never aware of that FAQs page. That should've been put there months ago... with an additional notice that it answers such questions as what goes on with the dojo picture on that site and why we have the developers listed as they are. Also, it's a good thing you guys aren't being too harsh with this latest guy's mistake, though I must say that if it were somewhat harsher, it definitely would break Don't Bite the Newbies. It's great the FAQ link was put there, overall. :) Erik Jensen ^{(Appreciate|Donate)} 03:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed; the FAQ wasn't as noticeable as it should have been. I put it in an infobox at the top of the article; hopefully this will bring it to peoples' attention. Ourai ^т _с 02:31, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Great job. If you guys find anything you want to add to this FAQ, please do so. Master Strike 17:58, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

As a sort of meaningless effort for posterity, I have researched all the archives for this talk page, and with the exception of archive 4, every one of the archives has a section asking this very question. Therefore, this discussion here marks the seventh time somebody has looked at the site's name and interpreted it as a name change for Brawl. Heh, most other internet discussions would adopt it as a running joke at that point. But this should clarify that it's not been discussed "countless" times, it's been discussed only enough times that it can be counted on two hands. I can link the other six archived discussions if you'd like. Hugs and kisses, Erik Jensen ^{(Appreciate|Donate)} 21:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I have arranged links to the other discussions for easy reference. They are: Discussion 1, Discussion 2, Discussion 3, Discussion 4, Discussion 5, Discussion 6, and this current Discussion 7. When the talk page goes through its next archive and the subject is brought up for the eighth time (and I think we can safely assume it will happen), I'll just post these links there. ^_^ Erik Jensen ^{(Appreciate|Donate)} 19:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Pikachu inacuracy

The article says: "Though some of Pikachu's trademark attacks are shown in the E³ trailer, including Thunder, Thunderbolt, and Quick Attack, its Super Smash has yet to be seen." I believe the instruction manual for SSBM calls the move "Thunderjolt", not "ThunderBolt". Is there some other primary source suggesting otherwise?

If someone with editing power makes that change, they might also want to format that whole movelist (begginning with "including") as a parenthetical phrase instead. I belive it would make the sentance structure more apperent then those ambiguous commas. ~~William Morgan

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.139.132.187 (talk) 07:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC).

...Does it really matter? Comrade Pajitnov 12:32, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

if the article is mentioning differences between moves with names as similar as "thunder" and "thunderjolt/bolt", then i think it needs to get the names correct. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Djchallis (talk • contribs) 17:01, 18 December 2006 (UTC).

Stage Examples

here it is[1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Marioman12 (talk • contribs) 21:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC).

Those are mainly assumptions and stuff the fandom wants. neither are encyclopedic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sukecchi (talk • contribs) 22:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC).

Link

I think that we should change saying that Nintendo made Link look more realistic because thats only half of what they did. According to the game The Legend of Zelda: The Twilight Princess, he also matured, maaking him look differently. Colin Reding 00:07, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Does it really matter? The point is he's different that his previous incarnations in the series. -Sukecchi 00:15, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Archive

Shouldn't we archive this page? It's getting kinda long... --Linkmasta 01:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Definiely. Probably down to the "FAQ" section or around there. –The Great Llama^{sign here} 02:44, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Archive 7

I moved all discussion before December 9 to Archive 7 since this talk page was getting to be about 44 kilobytes long. s d 3 1 4 1 5 final exams! 13:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Cool, but I prefer the move page method...which I did from Archives 4-6. Hbdragon88 07:10, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

walk or hop?

i was watching the trailer again (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62IfHDBCJOo0). and i noticed that between 00:41-00:43, that the way pikachu walks has been replaced with hops...like a kangaroo. Should we say something about that in the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.114.214.59 (talk) 18:01, 23 December 2006 (UTC).

I also noticed that Pikachu's walking animation seems a lot different, but it really isn't all that important. Comrade Pajitnov 21:34, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Techniques

So does anyone else think that the new crawling animation/ability added is going to either completely stop or interrupt Wavedashing?Sora3087 07:16, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

We will have to wait and see. I don't know if characters are able to jump at all in that mode, I don't even know how they will attack. It is just a matter of time. Tinkleheimer 07:37, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Another thing I was also thinking, I think it might be an optional walk style or something of the sort. You get a little different moveset in that stance. I dunno. Tinkleheimer 05:31, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Engine?

The article currently says the game's engine is a modified SSBM engine. Is there any proof of this? And shouldn't there be a citation? If someone can't come up with this then the "Engine" part should be removed. Personally, I was under the impression that they created the game from scratch for the Wii, but I have no evidence suggesting this besides the fact that they created an entire development studio just for this game. --IG-64 15:48, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

There is no way to check which engine is being used, or if they made a new one. Even if a new development studio is made, they can still use an old engine. However, I doubt they will be using a Gamecube engine for a Wii game, specially if they intend to add an online multiplayer support. --Japan became a first-world country after a bomb wiped out everyone. We Argentinians only managed to get two dictatorships and 10 million of poor people since WWII. 22:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Removed edit from User:Ibanez RYM. -FMF|contact 23:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

They said in the "How This Game Came to Be Made" article that they had received all of the source code and tools used in the development of Melee. Since they have all that, it would seem highly unlikely that they would write a whole new engine when they have a perfectly good one already. --Guess Who 03:47, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Its unlikely but that doesn't mean that they won't. FMF|contact 18:10, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the point here is that, at this point, you can't come to any conclusions like this because it's purely speculation. --IG-64 05:22, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

"Brawl" moves?

People have, multiple times, changed all instances of "Super Smash" moves to "Brawl" moves, stating it is the official name but not giving a cite. Any reasoning behind this? One edit even changed "Super Smash emblems" to "Brawl emblems", even though it's referring to an icon that was seen in the earlier Super Smash Bros. games. --HeroicJay 00:10, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm guessing it's a matter of subjectivity. Because the emblems (as tokens) and moves first appeared in Brawl, they naturally call them "Brawl moves" or "Brawl emblems", tying the names together, because "Super Smash" sounds like the first game of the series (or even the planned SNES debut). However, there are no "real" names for the emblems...at least that I've heard of. Jake52 My talk 06:57, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Just as long as the article doesn't keep alternating between the two, either one works. -Power Slave 10:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Since there's no other way to refer to them other than fan-given names, I think it's a good idea to either use the one used most commonly by people(which appears to be "Super Smash",) or use something more neutral, by simply saying it's an unnamed Special Attack, and referring to it as such. No fancy names and whatnot. - Zero1328 _Talk? 12:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Release Date?

For the North American release date, I've checked out the source, but I can't find anything that mentions SSBB will be released on 3/30/07. If that date indeed is valid, I would like someone to provide a better source, or at least show me where the date is mentioned in the source, otherwise the NA release date should also be TBA.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.84.0.209 (talk)

It's TBA. Another reason why the page needs to be protected until a date is confirmed. FMF|contact 21:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Swedish Nintendo Magazine and Sonic

It seems premature to change the regular page to include Sonic based off one article (http://gonintendo.com/?p=11432), but I thought at least I would list it here on the talk page in case other sources appear to confirm (or deny) this posting since no doubt it will become a major topic of discussion in the coming days. What do others think of the legitimacy of this statement from this magazine? Seth0708 20:03, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Eh...it's a cropped image...there's no way to tell if it's real or not....can they get a full scan...and a translation? -Sukecchi 20:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Even if it was true, we'd need to wait for an official confirmation from Nintendo anyway. Comrade Pajitnov 21:03, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, I just thought it best to post a link to this fragment of the article so that everyone is aware of it on the talk page before people start changing the main article. Seth0708 21:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, that scan is from the Swedish verson of the official nintendo magazine.

Are you sure? If so, what is it called? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Borincano75 (talk • contribs) 01:39, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

Yeah, I saw this on GameFaqs. I don't know anyone from Sweden so I don't know about it. I wonder if the magazine has a website.

I just went to SSBB board, did you by chance get it from this? [2] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Borincano75 (talk • contribs) 02:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

After looking at the comments posted on the site, they say N+ is a new magazine that just came out today, and it is from the makers of a few other credible magazines. And it is also The Official Magazine of Nintendo (I believe). If the article is real or not, I don't know. Tinkleheimer 01:43, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I do believe this has lost all credibility now. -Sukecchi 15:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Should warnings be given to editors (like in the case to not add suggestive character) to not use this magazine as a source for Sonic until Nintendo confirms anything? magiciandude 02:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

How has this lost credibility? It simply means someone is investigating if Sonic the Hedgehog is in Super Smash Brothers. I have a furry wolf friend in Sweeden, and i can ask him to translate the article for me. (the article in question is also here) The Legendary Raccoon Fox: RingtailedFox • Talk • Stalk 21:54, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

My friend translated it as: "Wario, Link and Pikachu is what we'll see and play as Solid Snake, Sonic The Hedgehog, Samus without a suit, Fox McCloud, Pit from Kid Icarus and Meta Knight who we know from Kirby." The Legendary Raccoon Fox: RingtailedFox • Talk • Stalk 22:16, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, the whole "Just came out today" and the fact that there's only this small clip...it just seems so...fake. -Sukecchi 22:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

There's only one problem, we cannot constitute it as fact (1) from a new magazine that no one really knows about (2) Why hasn't Nintendo Power, the director, etc said anything yet? ok I lied, that's more than one problem. FMF|contact 22:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

The English aren't always going to be the first to get info. I am not saying this information is credible yet, but there is a possibility of it being credible in the future.

Nintendo of Europe is somewhat known for accidentally leaking information early. They revealed Paper Mario 2 and Warioware for the Gamecube quite a ways before Nintendo actually announced the games. I'm not saying it's confirmed, but, the "nobody else has said anything" reason for it being fake isn't really closing the book on it. I agree that until it's confirmed it should be treated as speculation, but dismissing it as a hoax with little to no reasoning behind it is just as silly as adding Sonic to the official roster at this point. If something comes of it, it would make an interesting note in the article that Sonic was announced on accident by a magazine in Europe, but I'm not sure it should even be included in the article at all until something's confirmed. Wikipedia's not a book of speculation. 68.202.33.218 09:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm Swedish, and can confirm that this is at least not fake. Whether or not it's credible is another issue.83.255.67.167 20:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Well despite saying it's not fake, we really have no proof this magazine really exists. -Sukecchi 20:55, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

i thought the person just before you confirmed the magazine existed, or were they confirming that it was written in swedish? i don't know. if the magazine is real, it might (just maybe) be worth putting in that the magazine said that. i agree with the person who mentioned NOE leaking info. NGC got hold of the info that twilight princess would be on wii early and were deemed uncreditable by almost every website, before nintendo finally announced it themselves.

we don't have proof that sonic is in the game. we may have proof that an official nintendo magazine said he would be. if the magazine is real - do we mention it?

Diddy Kong?

Someone added Diddy Kong to the list of characters. Is this true or did someone just add him with no proof? Takuthehedgehog 02:57, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• I reverted both times this occurred. Unless there is a source, no one should put Diddy Kong on the article. Red Director 02:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to say it was pure, horribly written vandalism. -Sukecchi 03:07, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I already removed it. I think the article should be in S. Protection due to vandalisms that has been occurring recently. magiciandude 03:14, 13 January 2007 (UTC)