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Could you copyedit my Swedencruft, please?

Bish, could you please take a look and remove any Swedishisms at Anders Uppström and Olaus Johannis Gutho, both of which I have nominated at Template talk:Did you know. Tupsharru 17:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Sure, Tups, very soon. Bishonen | talk 17:55, 2 May 2006 (UTC).

Thanks! Tupsharru 06:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I finally gave up over the haggling about the DYK entry on Uppström. I thought I had achieved a reasonably brief version of the entry but the powers that be seem intent on removing absolutely all the context. (Meanwhile I have written articles on cruftcruft and even more cruftcruft.) Tupsharru 13:14, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Ghirlandajo is the powers that be? I don't think so, Tups, but whatever. It's a shame you gave up, but I can't say I blame you. :-( The janitor was the colorful part, I quite agree. Love the Cruft family! Bishonen | talk 14:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC).

Well, Ghirlandajo renominated the article after commenting out the discussion, so I went back there and insisted on my version, the one with the janitor. Against my better judgment. I really shouldn't care about this, I know... Tupsharru 14:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I was delighted to see "that news reports X of Y University will take over Z post at A university" in DYK this morning. It's good to know that DYK is now also In the News. Geogre 09:17, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Note that both my pieces of Uppsalacruft managed to get on the main page on the same day. Of the various things Wikipedia wonders its readers if they know today, a full third concern manuscripts in the Carolina Rediviva! Tupsharru 15:42, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Ha! Soon there will be room for nothing BUT Uppsala on the Main Page. When are you gonna FAC your university article? Bishonen | talk 16:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC).

So, wasn't it Jengod who was the head of DYK and in charge and running the circus? I take it that whoever it was, and it was someone able to exert some authority over the others, has gone on to greener pastures, because DYK has become a matter of an/i concern. Geogre 16:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Awwww

That's so sweet. I'm not sure that I can envision cohabiting with all the other folks on your list - do you have a nice big place for us all to stay? And then there's the matter of Mr. Spang.... :-) User:Needs some time to think about this... 16:16, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

There is? Oh, wow... User:On second thoughts, can I marry Mr Spang too? 22:11, 4 May 2006 (UTC).

Besides, she's already married to me. It was a secret ceremony. (No, I won't say which "she" I'm referring to.) Geogre 17:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I wish you both all the luck and fortune you deserve! Giano | talk 20:47, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

You mean "you five," not "you both." It's a plural marriage thing. In secret. In camera. In vino veritas. Geogre 01:22, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Sam Spade

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Sam Spade. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Sam Spade/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Sam Spade/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 00:34, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Possible fruitful avenue

I noticed that an RfAr had been opened regarding Sam Spade. In my opinion, it's long overdue. I long ago stopped trying to keep the Hypnosis article free of Sam's bizarre claims about hypnosis and Egyptian healing trances... but I've always suspected that a CheckUser request to check Sam's IP against that of User:Hyp and User:CGameProgrammer might just get some interesting results. -- Antaeus Feldspar 01:46, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Could you request a CheckUser check based on the specific reasons you have for thinking so, or alternatively tell me what the reasons are so I can request it? The CheckUser people will only perform checks if you have fairly specific suspicions (though naturally you don't need to have something conclusive). Bishonen | talk 02:12, 5 May 2006 (UTC).

I have fairly specific suspicions that one or both of them was actually a Sam sockpuppet. Each of them showed up abruptly and with their very first edit made a declaration on the talk page about how very bad the article was in the version not preferred by Sam. According to Hyp, we should wait for a "more expert writer" to take an interest; CGameProgrammer also thinks "a real hypnotherapist [should] eventually rewrite it" because "If someone wants to learn about hypnosis from this encyclopedia, they are obviously not primarily interested in the arguments against it; they are interested in it itself." These are both arguments that Sam had been making previously. In Hyp's case, it was his only contribution ever; CGameProgrammer, five months after that sole edit to Talk:Hypnosis, started sporadically making posts elsewhere (never again to Talk:Hypnosis), so my suspicions that he was a Sam sockpuppet were slightly decreased (not fully allayed, however.) -- Antaeus Feldspar 14:48, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Sam has said that he keeps socks and keeps them alive. Sporadic edits, then none, and then sporadic edits again would be the very thing to duck the limelight and make a sock look like a foot. Geogre 14:57, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Please check your e-mail, AF. Geogre, you realize all the Outside Views have been removed now that the request is accepted? Only people who signed as "involved" are left. There's a logic to that, but it's a pity, since yours was nice and punchy. I don't know whether you'd like to re-post it and thereby self-identify as involved? (Compare the page instructions). Bishonen | talk 16:28, 5 May 2006 (UTC).

One can move comments removed to the talk page of the case, right? Anyone can comment there, involved or no, I thought, and I believe ArbComm members indicated they do read that stuff and give it consideration... Hope that helps (I have no dog in the hunt regarding Mr. Spade... I just stalk bishie a bit from time to time, and this caught my eye!). ++Lar: t/c 16:36, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

You too? (Yeah, my view and the other "outside" views are on the talk page now. I don't know if I want to be in, as I've almost never interacted directly with SS, but the reason for that is exactly what I discussed in my outside view. I don't talk to SS because I know what will happen, and so his typographical halitosis, as it were, clears out a space around his interests. We all carve out our areas, so that's no crime, but the way he does it by resorting to personal references isn't cricket.) Resolved: if I'm not as eat up next year as this, I will put my name forward for ArbCom. I thought about it seriously this year, but I knew I couldn't count on time, and I hate going through the icky to find the nut. Geogre 18:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

sorry

I am sorry. I made a typo. I meant to say "if rofl is not a personal attack "i" don't know what is." Sorry for the misunderstanding. Please accept my apology.--Bonafide.hustla 05:53, 5 May 2006 (UTC) actually never mind. I read the wrong post. :)--Bonafide.hustla 05:55, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflic) There was no typo, you did write "i don't know what is". I wasn't quoting you, but using my own words: you call yourself "I", I call you "you". My point wasn't that you'd said something bad to me — you hadn't — but that the statements you were complaining about were in no way personal attacks. (Especially not ROFL.) If you think they were, I hope you grow a thicker skin, or life on the wiki is going to be very painful for you. Your foolish remarks about El C , on the other hand, were personal attacks. If you think they weren't, I hope you acquire a keener sense of what is due to others, or you'll keep running into trouble. You are still banned from WP:AN and WP:ANI. If you want to try to get the community to rescind the ban, you may post in the same thread one more time, to apologize fully to El C and to undertake not to waste the time and patience of the admins' noticeboard the way you've been doing. Try to show that you understand what the problem is, and people may be lenient. Bishonen | talk 06:09, 5 May 2006 (UTC).

Sigh... I see you have replied to me on your own page also. Never mind, then. Bishonen | talk 06:11, 5 May 2006 (UTC).

man you're kinda funny. well, for the record, i did know how to use the diff. link, i just didn't know there's a difference between the two. i guess then your comments on my talkpage was apparently made in good faith (although the wording was a lil angry) but anyway, about my talkpage, i'm gonna remove the comment in a sec. so yeah, i mean i'm not trying to be a "dick", but there is a bit of a double standard existing on wiki. Like, when I unknowingly removed Guanaco's name from the mediation committee because he had been desysopped (in good faith for i didn't know non-admin can be mediators), he was like seems like your edit is based on personal vendetta (Guanaco previously blocked me). It's sorta frustrating when ppl always look at your block log and stuff to determine whether your a good/bad person. 'cause i mean sometimes even if you're tryin to contribute, others interpret it as bad faith. well anyway just to letcha know. keep up the good work.--Bonafide.hustla 07:10, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I think you probably do mean well more often than it appears, but I do think you need to try harder to distinguish between things that are really different, and only look the same on the surface. For instance, you can accuse somebody of a personal vendetta for good reasons or bad reasons, and your reasons for speaking like that of El C were far-fetched, also insulting, also against common sense. Using the same term as somebody else doesn't make it all right, when the background is totally different. Anyway, you keep speaking of my post on your page, but I hope you noticed that it was a post from WP:ANI? I posted it there first, so the community can object to my unilateral ban if they want. (But nobody has so far.) Anyway, I'm glad you thought my comment on Essjay's page funny, it gives me hope. :-) Peace. Bishonen | talk 07:28, 5 May 2006 (UTC).

Infinity0's userpage

Your an admin right? Could you block the anon who just vandalized Infinity's page twice in 5 minutes? Their entire list of contributions has been vandalism of his userpage. The Ungovernable Force 07:42, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Funny you should ask, I just did. :-) Bishonen | talk 07:43, 5 May 2006 (UTC).

yeah, I just saw that. The Ungovernable Force 07:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Arghhh... my edit wouldn't go through at first. Wiki is up-down-up-down here in Euprope right now. But i blocked him just before! :-) Bishonen | talk 07:50, 5 May 2006 (UTC).

Sorry sir. I would hate to be put on fatigues or given a detention. :) ElectricRay 11:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Cranky of a morning

My counter-argument was a bit ill tempered. Sorry about that. I think I'm getting sort of exhausted with the hours I'm keeping (waking at 4:30 AM, going in to grade, and then seeing thin envelopes from the bank arrive in the mail). I'm also getting headaches like Oswald in Ghosts, but without having had the pleasure that would have led to the condition. Geogre 14:39, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

LOL, yes, the rarely seen full "Come now" mode. It's fine. Sorry you feel bad, sweetheart. Bishonen | talk 16:34, 5 May 2006 (UTC).

The thing is, I caught up. I actually caught up on grading. That only leaves me with 45 term papers (8-12 pp each) and 25 final papers (3-5 pp each) and 80 final exams to grade by Monday or Tuesday. (Ok, Wednesday, actually.) If I can do that, I can have my pay in hand by Friday, which will mean a happy spending spree before being sent up to a research library to do fact checking. The headaches are awful. Geogre 16:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and the "Oh, come now!" wasn't entirely undeserved. I needed you to reassure Bunchofgrapes, and I wasn't lying. If I was lying, I sure didn't know about it (and neither did my own sainted professors). When I typed in those numbers, above, it started to look depressing again. I want to outsource my grading to Bangalore. Geogre 17:03, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Nobody thought your pants were on fire, Geogre. But I remain mostly believing that the entire area of what theatre may have been legal in London by whose authority and at what time was a grey cloud even at the time, never mind you, me, or your professors trying to figure it out through the faulty lens of history. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 19:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

You can believe that, but it wasn't gray. Plays were illegal. Players could be arrested. Additionally, there was official censorship of the presses, so play-like works wouldn't be printed, either. Puritans were never known for being tolerant, and they were at their most intolerant during the interregnum. Geogre 09:00, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

WP:RFAR

I've removed some threaded dialog and renamed your section on the RJIII application. Please feel free to restore material relevant to the case, but bear in mind that the arbitrators don't want to have to read through threaded discussion. --Tony Sidaway 19:03, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Just wanted to say thanks for reverting my user page - I was busy trying to work out how to deal with the vandal. Really appreciate it! Libatius 10:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

My pleasure — 'twas a whole rampage! I love quickblock and rollback. :-) Bishonen | talk 10:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC).

Thanks also Art LaPella 14:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

A new cat skin!

Ha-ha! I have a new cat for my user page. Bet you're envious. Geogre 16:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Herr Bombastiche

Thanks for the message, no I had not seen it. I avoid him whenever possible life is too short. I am now a new person avoiding all controversy, troubles and strife. I am now growing my hair, smoking weed and writing only on abstact articles. Peace! Giano | talk 16:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Do you have a couple of minutes?

Hi Bishonen. Ok, I admit the Sw. Wikipedia Notice Board didn't work out so well when you asked for a favour recently, --- I myself have been busy recently with administrative stuff such as deleting loads of NowCommons images, maintenance of the Commons server and similar ungrateful stuff. However, I'm going to start writing some proper articles now, and I started with Malmö, Skåne, and the such. May continue with Stockholm and Gothenburg.

Would you mind having a look at Malmö and see if there is something seriously lacking in the structure or in the information? If there is anything disturbing in the language, you are welcome to fix that too...

Reg. Fred-Chess 17:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Malmö looks good, including the English, though perhaps a light grammar copyedit might also be in order. I'll try to find the time for it. (I mean, you have to admit that those would be the famous Swedish couple of minutes, as in "Just a minute [leaves the phone for half an hour]" At least they would be for me. I'm slow.) I'm sure you know much more than I do about what's supposed to be in a city article, Fred, it's not my strong suit by any means. No, I don't see anything lacking. Though I can't remember ever seeing a line of references immediately below a section, in the middle of an article; what's that about? Bishonen | talk 16:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC).

Recommended reading for the Salon book club

Have you read Sunday Times Golden Globe Race (up for FAC, User:Johantheghost's work mostly)? It's really entertaining. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 04:26, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I love lurking, you find the coolest things. What a story! ++Lar: t/c 12:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC) (who never wants to sail anywhere by himself)

I think it needs help in a paragraph (attrition), and the maps need to be embiggened. Otherwise, it's a great story. Geogre 13:23, 7 May 2006 (UTC) (Currently south of Baffin Island and making 300 miles per day by paddle.)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Infinity0

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Infinity0. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Infinity0/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Infinity0/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 13:50, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Bishonen: she's everywhere! Geogre 15:05, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, didn't you see my exchanges with several charmingly courteous users a day or two ago, with the name Infinity0 getting mentioned a lot? Ye olde chivalry lives on and no error. But I'm really only a proxy in this case. Now watch me go proxy on the evidence page. Ubiquitous. 15:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC).

P.S. I was interested to see that you at first took this for your page. :-) Bishonen | talk 15:18, 7 May 2006 (UTC).

I know, I know. More rumor of sockpuppets, etc. I just hit the wrong link from my watchlist. As for you, stray puppies beware! (Someone needs to be nice to newbies. Lord knows I'm not.) Geogre 15:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

We've noticed. (Grin, duck, run)... (I still have scars...) But you're not the ogre you want everyone to think you are, as I mentioned in my RfA... ++Lar: t/c 16:12, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah. :-) That's a secret, dammit! On the other hand, for blocking without warning and wanting every passtime and game deleted, I'm your man. You can generally tell when I'm ticked off, because I begin getting very, very diplomatic and measured. If you see very careful language, I'm about to go ape. Geogre 18:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Cyde2

I don't understand, why this RfC is not yet approved, since there are already two users who certified it. Besides one of the other users who could certify this RfC is blocked. How is he supposed to certify? Raphael1 21:02, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Who is the other user? --Cyde Weys 21:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Raphael1, I explain that in detail in my statement "View of the validity of this RfC by Bishonen" on the RfC itself, please take a look at that. Anyway, why did you remove the part of the RfC template — the instructions at the top of the page — that tell you about the need for the two people certifying to have attempted dispute resolution first? Please read those instructions now, if you haven't already; I've restored them to the top of the RfC page,, where they should have been all along.

How is he supposed to certify? He isn't. A blocked user isn't supposed to do anything on the wiki. If you need one more, and that particular person will be blocked for more than 48 hours, then you'll have to find somebody else. Why would he be the only other person who could certify it? It doesn't have to be somebody involved, it only has to be somebody who has tried to resolve the dispute. As I explain in my statement, you'd much better try to find someone to try to resolve the dispute who isn't personally involved, anyway. Bishonen | talk 23:25, 7 May 2006 (UTC).

Courtroom conversions

I'm concerned about a courtroom conversion. One reason that there isn't much prosecutorial evidence being presented is that the bile is on one side only. No one wants to "get" or "get dirt" on the defendant, so, when he stops editing and calling names and trying to smear a person, that person wants to forget the whole thing and hope for the best. This is the behavior that has led to attrition. This is the behavior that has led to his "owning" a considerable number of articles. Indeed, in the evidence page, the defendant is saying that everything has been taken care of. Why, look! no insults since the RfC! In other words, "I stopped for the time being, so I'm innocent, and there is no case to bring." This is repentance before the bar. If it's repentence of heart is another matter, and for that we have to consider the past, consider the history. So long as everyone else is less bilious, less angry, and less interested in making issues personal, the defendant will get another chance and another and another, and a never-ending stream of new users will hit upon a controversial page and get ground into the dust by him, as all the experienced users simply stay away, ceding part of the project to his corner. Geogre 02:47, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

re Sam Spade arb case

Bishonen, how long does an arbitration case actually stay open? I can't find any reference to timespan in the docs.

I must say I'm very suprised to see you are the only person to lodge some evidence so far (especially since, as you said yourself, you are not one of the more recent victims of his edit wars). What happened to all those other people who were complaining long and loud about Sam's behaviour? Gatoclass 03:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for writing. I don't actually think there's any great hurry, the cases stay open kind of ad hoc. But, yes, I'm a little surprised too. I hope a few people are working on it. If not, it's their choice (shrug). If you check out the post just above, you'll see that Geogre is concerned too, and has a theory to account for it (wouldn't you know it ;-)). I hope he's wrong, that's all. Bishonen | talk 05:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC).

It's a good theory, unfortunately. Geogre 10:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Nobel Templates deletion

Hi! Someone has recommended that the templates of Nobel Prize winners be deleted. Will it be ok if you just post your opinion at templates for deletion? Thanks, really appreciate it. =) Joey80 06:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)