Talk:Stephen V Báthory

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An entry from Stephen V Báthory appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 1 March, 2007.

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Good use of references for a relatively short article. I really have nothing to suggest for this article. Good work overall. ErleGrey 01:00, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One Question

Was this guy related to Erzebet Bathory? (Or "Elizebeth" if you prefer the Anglosized version of the name)

As it says in the Aftermath section: yes. --Thus Spake Anittas 11:38, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dracula

Please understand that he was called Tepes after his death; during his time, he was called Dracula or Drăculea. He signed his name as Dracula; his cousing and ally, Stephen III of Moldavia, in his letter to the Pope called him Drăculea; and the contemporary sources call him Dracula. His father was called Dracul (see Vlad Dracul). Therefore, I kindly ask you to not change the name Tepes in the article on Stefan Báthory. Thanks. --Thus Spake Anittas 13:10, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Vlad III is known to historians as either Vlad III or Vlad Tepes but not as Dracula. Probably because of the latter being associated with the figure in the novel. I do not insist on Tepes but do oppose the constant using of Dracula. Also, please educate yourself about what constitutes vandalism and what not. Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 13:13, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you understood my message. The novel took the name of Dracula from him, not the other way. His father was Dracul and as his son, he was Dracula. The contemporary sources (that is, the sources of the day) referred to him as Dracula or Draculea. Only the Turks called him the Impaler Prince, but that was also afterwards. There is to be no compromise on the matter. I have written that article and it is all sourced. Please stop changing his name or I will report you. And please read the sources and educate yourself on the matter. --Thus Spake Anittas 13:20, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I understood your message quite well.

What you bring forth is irrelevant. The proper name is Vlad III. Sure the novel title was taken from a really existing nickname but it is not used for him by most historians in order to avoid the confusion it creates.

Finally, please educate yourself about the follwing WP policies:

WP:OWN: you do not own the article just because you wrote most of it
WP:VANDAL: valid edits, even if considered wrong, are not vandalism
WP:3RR: you have broken the three revert rule with your last edit. You are informed hereby

Ah, and please use a proper signature everywhere. Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 13:29, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand what you mean by using a "proper signature," but if we are to go back to the original topic, I will say this:

Turnbull, Stephen. The Ottoman Empire 1326-1699—uses the name Dracula;
Inalcik, Halil. The Ottoman Empire, The Classical Age 1300-1600—uses the name Dracula;
Babinger, Franz (see Franz Babinger) Mehmed the Conqueror and his Time—uses the name Dracula;
Florescu, Radu. Dracula, Prince of Many Faces: His life and his times—uses the name Dracula.

So as you can see, modern historians do refer to him as Dracula. And I don't think I violated the 3dd rule because your last edit was different from your other edits, therefore, it was the first edit on that content. You, on the other hand, should have posted your concerns on the talkpage before making these controversial edits. --Thus Spake Anittas 15:30, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Educate yourself:

Reverting is an edit that undoes the work of previous edits. So you reverted four times, while I reverted three times. My first edit was a positive edit and my fourth edit which was technically reverting was different from my earlier edits. All you however did was blanket reverting. That one of my edits was different from the others cannot be held (and is not held, I know many 3RR cases by now) in your favour. All you did was blanket reverting.

I might have posted on the talk page (though I am not obligated to do so) but your stone-walling "no compromise possible" attitude tells me that it wouldn't have made any difference.

You however could have explained your opposition earlier instead of wrongfully accusing me of vandalism.

Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 18:12, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]