User talk:Swampyank

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Watch out for double-redirects

You created a page, Lieutenant governor of rhode island, which was a redirect to Lieutenant governors of rhode island, which was a redirect to Lieutenant Governors of Rhode Island. Double-redirects don't work. You need to make sure each one points to the actual article. I fixed this one. Something to watch out for when you create redirects. HTH. -- Fan-1967 16:12, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

John Dunjee

I deleted the category before I read the entire article. I think he would be considered an alleged Presidential child, at least for now. It is very interesting though and even more interesting if true. It deserves investigation. Tyler was quite the baby maker! Jjmillerhistorian 23:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Central Congregational Church

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Central Congregational Church, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. MPS 15:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello...

Great adds to the Bates College article, thanks! Lostvalley 03:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - I see that you posted an example of a JD cert from Suffolk - my son just enrolled at Suffolk for the fall summester, and I wondered if you might be able to give us some pointers to life and acedemia at suffolk law school - contact me at [email protected], if you're able. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.166.171 (talk) 22:49, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bamford

Are you related to Suffolk in anyway? Feel free to email me. Yanksox 18:44, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I figured that. I think I'm going to try to see Bamford and Carrol speak, it looks good. Yanksox 20:26, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Providence, Rhode Island

Editor, I've noticed your contributions to the Providence, Rhode Island article. I've just nominated it for Featured Article status. FA page is here. Your feedback and assistance would be greatly appreciated.--Loodog 04:32, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned non-free image (Image:Suffolk Symbol Seal.gif)

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Smile!

WarthogDemon has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Just some random wikilove. :) Cheers! -WarthogDemon 03:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good start

I was doing some newpage patroling, and I wanted to tell you that you made a good start with Frank J. Williams. After all, everyone needs positive encouragement once in a while. Keep up the good work! —Scouter Sig 06:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dot indeed.

Did you not see in Rabbit Island a link to Rabbit Island (Rhode Island)? So why did you create Rabbit Island.?? Similarly with Greene Island (Rhode Island)? We do not disambiguate with a dot. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 18:29, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kingscote (mansion)

I wanted to let you know that the above article has been tagged for speedy deletion due to likely copyright violation. I personally would rather not see it deleted, so if you can, go by the page and place a hangon tag and work to rid the article of this problem. Sincerely. Altairisfar^talk 08:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RfD nomination of Illie nelson

Newport Historical Society and Museum of Newport

A tag has been placed on Newport Historical Society and Museum of Newport, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template {{hangon}} to the article and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Basketball one ten 00:56, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Providence meetup

There is now a planning page to arrange a meetup in Providence. Please sign up if you are interested. --mikeu (talk) 12:12, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template?

Your opinion, please? Nyttend (talk) 14:36, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

little ivies

I noticed you reverted the changes made on the little ivies entry. Unfortunately, you didn't give any rationale for why you did this. I assume you realize that "little ivies" have no actual connection to the ivy league, despite what a college guide book may claim. That's why all references to the ivy league were removed.

75.69.133.211 (talk) 12:03, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The name "little ivies" is based purely on these schools perceived similarities to the Ivy League.Swampyank (talk) 18:29, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image copyright problem with Image:Union village milestone.JPG

Image Copyright problem

Thank you for uploading Image:Union village milestone.JPG. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Sdrtirs (talk) 22:24, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wanton-Lyman-Hazard House

What a happy coincidence that you created the article the day before I got back from a recent trip to Rhode Island, right before I was going to upload the pictures I took in Newport in February. Funny how things work out here ...

I have expanded the article, brought it up to WP:NRHP standards a little bit, and now I'm going to list it for DYK (you'll get credit for creating it). Daniel Case (talk) 10:10, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Old Colony House

Thank you again for your work on this article (it took a while to decide what we should call it, but I'm satisfied with this name). I was able in my recent expansion to keep the picture; I have nominated it too for DYK, and included you in the crediting. Also good work starting the Munday and Isham articles too. Daniel Case (talk) 06:13, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oldest buildings in the United States

		The Original Barnstar
		For the creation of Oldest buildings in the United States, which is a very good idea, I hereby award you this barnstar. Basketball110 ^{My story}/_{Tell me yours} 02:30, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

5/4 DYK

On 4 May, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bellevue Avenue Historic District, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Bedford 20:20, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Historical Societies

Would you mind if I removed your recent addition of Rhode Island HS from the Rhode Island section of List of Historical Societies? All state level societies are listed in a separate "State Societies" section thus adding it to the Rhode Island section is duplicative & would like to keep the article consistent. Thanks for your consideration. FieldMarine (talk) 03:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks...I used to be stationed in Newport & loved it! I went to all the mansions. FieldMarine (talk) 03:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome

Belated acceptance of your thanks, now that Flying Horse Carousel finally has a picture, the last of the RI NHLs from my trip there two weeks ago. I can now move on to expanding some of the newer ones, hopefully earning you and me more DYKs. Daniel Case (talk) 05:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiCookie

"Light" vs. "Light Station"

Just a heads-up; a while ago on the Lighthouse WikiProject there was a heavy discussion about this; the consensus was that all lighthouses and light stations would be listed as "Light" and not "Light Station". --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 16:11, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

National Register of Historic Places articles

I noticed you've been doing a number of articles about properties on the National Register of Historic Places, and I'm impressed that you've created so many articles. You've obviously been doing a lot of work.

I thought I'd mention that I have a copy of the National Register database loaded on my Web server, and I have some query tools that might be useful. From this site, you can find an infobox generator that generates the {{Infobox nrhp}} code for any given property, including the degree/minute/second coordinates for most properties (where they're published, anyway). I also have listing tools for cities and counties. You're welcome to use them if you're interested. Also, you're welcome to check out Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places. Again, good work on the articles! --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 04:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Richmond Paper Company Mill Complex

Hi,

I noticed in this article that you created, some of the content was "doubled up". I assume this was an error, so I have removed one of each infobox. However, if this was incorrect, please feel free to revert me. You can see what I did here.

If you're using a template, it might be worth making sure that it's working properly and not creating a whole bunch of articles with doubled up templates. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 05:25, 11 May 2008 (UTC).[reply]

NRHP sites in Rhode Island

Just a reminder that, if you know the date of construction of a building, it can be added into the proper category under Category:Architecture by year. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 19:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Hi, I noticed you joined WP:NRHP. I know that you have created many nice articles and know your way around already. Glad to see you finally joined! :)

That's a nice pic you just added to your John N. A. Griswold House article. I just added more material to the article; as you see i kinda specialize in adding sources. Perhaps you'll find the NHL nomination PDF document, now linked, helpful in further developing the article. I eventually get around to adding that stuff to articles about NHLs, for which such PDF documents are usually on-line. Let me know if you ever want quicker service... :) Anyhow, keep up the good work! doncram (talk) 01:59, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Uploading images

You have uploaded some really good photographs. I wanted to suggest that you consider uploading them to http://commons.wikimedia.org so that they can be used in all Wikipedias, including the English-language one. Once you've done so, you could add the pictures to the appropriate articles in each of the other languages without having to upload the image to each Wikipedia. --Eastmain (talk) 02:22, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

South Street Station

Thank you for creating South Street Station. Could you please add a sentence indicating what kind of power station it is, such as hydro-electric, coal, or natural gas? --Eastmain (talk) 02:22, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Portsmouth RI

Thanks for the historical additions! jmcdaid (talk) 11:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

SULS

I see you are a libertarian SULS alumnus. Did you ever have Professor Rounds? DickClarkMises (talk) 21:52, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good to hear about the class with Prof. Rounds--I have Trusts with him in the fall. I was never able to find enough people to sign on as members of the libertarian group, but I managed to avoid that problem by becoming the president of the Federalist Society chapter. Since FedSoc bills itself as "Conservative/Libertarian" I guess we'll just focus on the latter at Suffolk. Mostly I just wanted the ability to reserve rooms in which to hold speaker events, so this will work just fine. DickClarkMises (talk) 22:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nice image!

I love your image of the plaque marking Edgar Allan Poe's birthplace in Boston... it is much better than my version. I was wondering, however, why it wasn't uploaded to Wikimedia Commons (commons.wikimedia.org)? Media uploaded there can be utilized on all Wiki-projects, including other languages. Oh, and, if you feel like it, it might be worth cropping just a little bit off the left of the image to help center the plaque (but, hey, that's just my opinion). Keep up the good work here! --Midnightdreary (talk) 23:10, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NHLs in Maine

Hi, I noticed you created articles for all the remaining sites on List of NHLs in ME, which i was marching through slowly. I don't know if you zipped through this list, or whether you were working off another one of NRHPs, but i see there are stubs for all now.

What you did, seemingly based on the Elkman generator output for each one, plus perhaps some other quick research, is helpful and will accelerate my involvement with the Maine list. I wonder if you would care to help take them all a bit further, too? Each of the new ones could also be improved by:

identify NRHP_type being "nhl" in the infobox
use the corresponding NHL summary webpage to add a designated = date for each NHL date to the infobox (not provided by Elkman output, needed for NHLs)
footnote that NHL mention with a proper footnote to the NHL summary
edit text to mention NHL designation instead of, or in addition to, the NRHP mention, using another invocation of the NHL summary footnote.
drop "Category:Registered Historic Places in Maine" and replace by "Category:National Historic Landmarks in Maine". Note, the NHL category is a "child" category to the RHP one, as all NHLs are RHPs.

For example, you can see what i just added to the Winslow Homer Studio article. By the way, I further added the NRHP text/photo document for that site, which is just a bit further involved. I could continue adding that for other sites, or if you are interested i would be glad to explain more about that. Cheers, doncram (talk) 15:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Let me re-emphasize, what you're doing is a help. I don't mean to criticize, i just wanted to inform you more about how NHL articles can differ from other NRHP articles. Oh, also, i meant also to convey that the NRHP_type for infoboxes about NHLs that are historic districts, should be nhld, not nhl, so if you encounter an infobox for an NHL with Nrhp_type = hd it should be changed to Nrhp_type = nhld. doncram (talk) 19:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I found a way to automatically put the "nrhp_type=nhl" or "nrhp_type=nhld" fields in the infobox generator output if the property is a National Historic Landmark. There's a table in the database that indicates whether a structure is part of a National Historic Landmark survey, so I'm doing a query against that. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 19:32, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question on Clark Cook House

You recently created the article Clark Cook House — indicating that it was in Newport, Rhode Island and is on the NRHP. However, when I search NRIS on Newport, RI, it does not appear. Can you direct me to the information via the NRIS link in the article? Thanks. — ERcheck (talk) 16:18, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like it's been removed from the National Register. I did a query by city and didn't find it, but when I queried by the reference number I found it. I had to recheck my copy of the database, where I found that it had the status "RN", meaning "removed from the National Register". The next question is, "why was it removed"? --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 19:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What is the implication of "RN"? Is it no longer a "registered" site? If this is the case, why? — ERcheck (talk) 23:05, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank YOU!

Thank you for the creation of the article on Theatre-by-the-Sea. I've tried to create an article about it, but no no avail. Thanks so much!68.226.93.158 (talk) 23:31, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1767 Milestones

Greetings. There seems to be some kind of mixup with regard to the 1767 Milestones page you created a few days ago. The coordinates given correspond to a location in Roxbury, not Cambridge. I have tentatively replaced "Cambridge" with "Boston" in the infobox. The page awaits further, appropriate attention on your part. Cheers, Hertz1888 (talk) 03:21, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NHLs in ME, RI, and perhaps MA

Hi Swampyank -- I know u created NRHP stub articles for many articles in RI, ME, and MA. I wonder if you could help, in a current focussed effort, to improve the NRHPs that are National Historic Landmarks, namely on List of NHLs in RI, List of NHLs in ME, List of NHLs in MA. Specifically, in a "Fourth of July, or bust" campaign, a bunch of us in wp:NRHP are trying to ensure that NHL designation date is included (with NHL summary webpage reference) in NRHP infoboxes for relevant articles. Also, I notice that you created some articles but did not add them to wp:NRHP, by putting the NRHP wikiproject, the state wikiproject, and reqphoto on their talk pages. Please know if you might be willing to help. I currently am working on another state, trying to stay ahead of a NHL-checking editor who is evaluating their quality, but we are getting to List of NHLs in ME soon! Cheers, doncram (talk) 04:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

windmills

Hey, i noticed u created articles for windmills, perhaps marching thru the list of red-links i had set up at List of windmills for the U.S. NRHP ones. I am flattered and pleased... and added my pic for one, the Iron Turbine Windmill, in AZ. cheers, doncram (talk) 17:17, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fourth of July, or bust, Thanks!

		The Fourth of July, or bust, Barnstar
		I award you this Barnstar for your solid, witty, creative, supportive, learned, timely, cheerful, eloquent, and/or otherwise generally great contributions on U. S. National Historic Landmarks' articles. Yippee o yay, we pretty much met our goal of a well-started article for each of 2,442 NHLs by today! Thanks, and have a great Fourth of July! -- Doncram, 4 July 2008

Hey, thanks for your many contributions of, or in, articles on NHLs in ME, MA, RI ! You and we done good, with creating 2,442 NHL articles, at various stages of development, by today! Thanks! doncram (talk) 18:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lapham Institute

Wow, it's REALLY shaping up. That's awesome. Well done, btw :). Aepoutre (talk) 17:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NRHP Listings

Great job keeping up with the NRHP listings / templates. I have been concentrating on the photos I have in Bristol County, Mass., but I have other counties also. I will have a "to do" list for the photos I do not have.

Do you know if there is any way to research if NRHP listings have been deleted? There is one mill in Fall River, Davol Mill, which I swear was on the list several months ago, but it's not now. It really belongs there. --Marcbela (talk) 17:07, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can go here, enter each week, and search for "removed".--Appraiser (talk) 18:24, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thanks! Swampyank (talk) 20:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I tagged the most recent article. Aren't there guidelines for public history in your state? Ottre (talk) 00:04, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have noticed that the website: Nationalregisterofhistoricplaces tends to have lisitings that do not appear in NPS.gov. Do you know if one is "more" correct than the other? Is it possible the nps database just isn't updated? It does not seem possible that so many listings were strickened from the register. --Marcbela (talk) 15:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bristol County MA NRHPs

Funny how we always seem to be working on the same places at the same time! I am now pretty much done expanding New Bedford Historic District, and I want to thank you for saving me the effort of creating Central New Bedford Historic District, because I realized we needed separate articles with hatnotes distinguishing the two, and we have them now.

After some touchup on the New Bedford ones, I'll be uploading a few more MA and RI pics, mainly ones I didn't upload earlier that I took in April. I also, as you may have noticed, tried to tone down the blown highlights on your pic of John N. A. Griswold House; I hope now it looks a little better. Since we have the RI NHL list fully illustrated, I think I may be writing some introductory text and putting in refs soon so we can take it to peer review and then, hopefully, FLC.

BTW, Northbound and Southbound Stations already exists as Attleboro (MBTA station) ... the address is different, but it's the same two buildings (and one of the pics I'll be uploading). I think we could just leave the one you created as a redirect.

Also, I really think that we ought to have a separate list for at least Fall River's RHPs ... it has 110 out of 358 in the county, about 30 percent. New Bedford and Taunton also deserve strong consideration for that, too, and maybe Attleboro as well. I haven't counted the entries for the latter two. Daniel Case (talk) 21:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I know Taunton has over 100 entries too. --Marcbela (talk) 12:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Historic places

Hi thanks for your work on starting these places. However is there a way you could rethink using the generic template and create more specific ones by county e.g List of Registered Historic Places in Barnstable County, Massachusetts to connect article together within eahc county. This would be far more useful than the generic plate used in every article ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 20:40, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not exactly sure what you mean or how to do it. Swampyank (talk) 20:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Create a navigation template at the foot of article containing all the historic places within that county as featured in the list. So every article you access within a given area they are directly connected ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 21:14, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thats cool you're of French Huguenot, English, Scottish and Swedish heritage the same as me, although I also have Jewish ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 21:16, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have to try to figure out how to create a navigation template and add one to the stubs I've created. Thanks for the advice. Swampyank (talk) 23:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think Blofeld of SPECTRE is not aware that you are marching through a list or lists of NRHPs, and the list-articles provide a lot of that navigational functionality. Navboxes (Navigation templates) are used more in some other wikiprojects, like wp:ships, though there are some on NRHPs within wp:NRHP. Personally i don't really like them in NRHPs. I think the state- or county-wide list-articles on NRHPs serve the same purpose better, accomodating short descriptions and, especially, photos.

About your many new NRHP articles, though, why aren't you creating corresponding Talk pages, at the same time, adding the articles to the state wikiproject and to wp:NRHP? The Elkman generator output even gives you a perfectly usable, properly formed copy of the basic Talk page material, ready to copy and paste into the talk page. And the articles do not appear in the wikiproject articles count, until they are added to the wikiproject by the Talk page entry. If you don't do it for each article as you go through a given county or state list, can you at least go back and visit all the articles and paste in the same basic starter, adding to wikiprojects, when you get to the end of any given list? Cheers, doncram (talk) 21:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Right, I'd rather go back and add talk pages at a later date. It seems more efficient to do the two tasks separately rather than copying the talk page text over and over again for each article. Those few seconds can add up to extra hours wasted if thousands of talk pages are created at the same time as the articles. In the meantime, some editors are adding talk pages before I get to them. Swampyank (talk) 21:41, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

However, given that several of your new articles are being put up for speedy deletion, i think you should stop creating new articles and go back and create all these Talk pages now. And put in Talk pages right away with all new articles. In my view it is fair for editors on new page patrol to be disturbed by the flood of stubs, and to put them up for speedy deletion. The multiple speedy deletion notices should give you pause.

Your making more effort with the new articles, including adding them to the appropriate wikiprojects, would help. I also suggest your adding a standard comment in the new Talk page (or perhaps in the article proper) about the availability of NRHP nomination text and accompanying photos by request to the National Park Service. Something along those lines would alleviate other editors' legitimate concerns about these articles. I mused about this in discussion of the Article-for-deletion on one of your articles below. I will post about this at wt:NRHP, please continue there. doncram (talk) 17:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cape Cod Wiki Project

You might want to join this since you are currently making things that are part of the project. There is also a template that you can place on the pages for the pages that you create. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:17, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Historic District stubs

I just wanted to let you know, I've noticed the work you're doing on the various Historic District stubs, and I'm impressed. We need more nose-to-the-grindstone editors like you! S. Dean Jameson 17:04, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wainscott Windmill and other NYS NRHP sites

I noticed you created Wainscott Windmill about an NRHP, perhaps working off List of RHPs in Suffolk which i recently expanded to table format. Would you please NOT proceed to create extremely minimal stubs for NYS NRHP articles? For NY (unlike MA), the NRHP application documents (text + photos + correspondence) are available on-line and should, in my view, be added upfront to new NRHP articles. See wp:NRHP for instructions on how to access the NY NRHP documents, and see wp:NRHPMOS for how to add those for NY NRHP articles. If you would add links to those documents, as well as creating at least minimal talk pages for the articles, then I would indeed be supportive of your creating NRHP stub articles for NYS. Sincerely, doncram (talk) 19:24, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't plan on stubbing any New York sites on a large scale...I just added some windmills to complete the short windmill list. I don't plan on writing articles for vast majority of the stubs, I've helped create. Other people with more interest and expertise will undoubtedly add to them, although they might be more hesitant about creating the sites. I'm almost done stubbing the Massachusetts sites, and that was my short term goal. I can add info, categories, and talk page information as time and motivation permit. I just had some free time this summer to start the stubs themselves. Providing at least a bare bones stub should take priority, I believe. What exactly is the purpose of talk page categories? Simply to inform people of internal progress on the wikiproject? Swampyank (talk) 19:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stubbing articles is useful, I don't disagree about that. I started that way myself. I don't want to overstate my opinion, but I believe that at least when there is very conveniently available material which would alleviate reasonable editors' concerns (such as the suggested Talk pages provided by the Elkman generator, and, for NY sites, the NRHP doc links) then you "should" (in my view) provide that up front, rather than causing difficulty for others to clean up after you.

The point of the Talk pages is to add the new articles to the appropriate wikiprojects, so that automatic categories and other means direct the attention of wp:NRHP and wp:Massachusetts editors to cleaning them up. For example, there are specialists who would visit Category:Unassessed National Register of Historic Places articles and assess the articles (although it would be even more helpful if you would save steps by others and just rate your own stubs as stubs). There are other editors who would add more specialized stub identifiers (like architecture of 1874) and categories (like Houses in Massachusetts). Omitting the suggested Talk page info leaves the new articles orphaned, and in my view raises appropriate concerns for the new page patrollers. Are you aware of the new page patrol? Browse around and see what they do. They serve a good purpose for wikipedia in attempting to fend off self-promotional, biased, unimportant, advertising or other bad articles. You can help them by making your new articles clearly better; or you make work for them by presenting apparently orphan articles that, unconnected to any wikiproject, appear likely to be worthless to the encyclopedia. doncram (talk) 20:12, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mystic Water Works

Can you explain a more what is the historic significance of this site? Yes it is U.S. National Register of Historic Places, but it will be good if you add some more information and it can be understood why it is registered historic place. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 04:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

An -> a

You are creating articles using "an" where "a" should be used. --mboverload @ 20:41, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going back with AWB to fix em =) --mboverload @ 20:46, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info...it seems like quite the debate about a versus an...altough both usages are common now according to this site Swampyank (talk) 20:54, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh...I'll stop. hmmm --mboverload @ 20:51, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to change them if you think it is more correct...I don't know too much about the specific usage beyond what google tells me. Thanks for monitoring the edits. Swampyank (talk) 20:54, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm getting from my research [1] as well as users of the EnglishForums IRC channel that "a historic" is the more correct version. I just don't want to step on your toes or push my view of what is correct. --mboverload @ 21:05, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, ok...I'll try to break my habit. Thanks! Swampyank (talk) 21:07, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I also went ahead and scanned Wikipedia for other articles with that in them. 6,077 articles to go... =) --mboverload @ 00:05, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ouch! Swampyank (talk) 03:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

August 2008

Thanks for explaining it to me as I was not aware they were on the Nat'l register of historic places...thanks for clearing that all up! DS2434 (talk) 23:11, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You should be blocked for Pierce Farm Historic District and other minimalist articles

Frankly you are creating articles that are too minimalist. In Pierce Farm Historic District for example, you do not even make the statement in the text that this was listed on the National Register, and there is not a single sourced statement in the text. I realize of course that the pasted-in NRHP infobox with its one source mitigates, but why provoke the legitimately concerned new-page patrollers?!

As discussed above and at wt:NRHP, in my view you should also add the new pages to wp:NRHP and wp:Massachusetts and put in a basic reqphoto, and indicate that sources are available to improve the article.

I am not an administrator, but in my view your actions justify your being blocked by any admin who chooses to do so. Your persistence in this despite multiple warnings in the form of explicit cautions and discussion and AfD's and Speedy-deletion nomiations, shows a disregard for other editors and their legitimate concerns. doncram (talk) 00:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your concerns about the stubs, but firmly disagree. A minimal stub listing the name and location of a site (with founding date, reference number, and NRHP listing date in the infobox) is better than nothing at all. If all NRHPs deserve articles then why not take initiative and begin them and allow unregistered users to add info? I feel like your orders on my talk page are bordering on harassment. Swampyank (talk) 00:08, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am not going to take a position on this because I don't know enough. However, keep in mind that many of the mass-created stubs are now full and good articles with consistent formatting. --mboverload @ 00:09, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am not giving orders, and I should backpedal a little: I don't exactly know whether your continued actions would justify a block, or under what grounds they would. And I concede freely that from stubs mighty articles can eventually grow. But, it would be so easy for you to do better, and you are causing new page patrollers to give you multiple warnings. I think you are causing unnecessary work for them. And for wp:NRHPers to go after you to fix up your articles. I think your persistence is discourteous. Did you read the AfD discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ and did you read (and why not participate in?) Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places#Minimum standards for new stub NRHP articles? doncram (talk) 00:21, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's no work at all to simply click "patrolled" when one of these NRHP articles pop up. He's not "causing new page patrollers to give (him) multiple warnings." They leave warnings (often improper) all on their own. ^S._D.Jameson 00:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was away for a lot of this discussion, but I'm a bit torn. Many of these articles will *never* get bigger than the elkman generated text. On the other hand, if you're just mass creating them, it's likely that the ones that could get bigger will never do so, since people like me wont actually look into whether they could get improved. I'm a big believer in people doing different types of jobs in this space, but I do worry that if all you're doing is cutting and pasting, we should just set up a bot to do so.

So, a few points to consider with the Aldebert Mossman house mentioned above as an example. It would have been nice to at least do the google search and find web pages to use as references such as this link, or this and perhaps this one (if they are one and the same Adelbert). As an aside, I would have also liked to see you fix the name of the architect to be back in proper order (ie: things bots cant do well). So while I would not go far as others, I can certainly see what they are concerned about. I hope these comments help dm (talk) 01:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the bot idea is excellent if possible to create minimal stubs and eliminate redlinks. The sooner the NRHP stubs are created, the sooner further information, references, and categories can be added easily, and other editors can contribute their knowledge and expertise.

We manually created all of the Rhode Island historic places, adding stubs first, and then later the requisite talk pages with categories and then further information (there's a somewhat subjective debate of this above with Doncram). I was following this pattern for the Massachusetts stubs (as I told Doncram earlier). It seems like a subjective disagreement about which method is more efficient. Swampyank (talk) 02:28, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you're cutting and pasting the article text, I suggest that you also cut and paste the talk page text as well. As an aside, I updated the Col. Adelbert Mossman House with some of the things I suggested. dm (talk) 03:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]